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dairine-bonnet · 4 months
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It seems to me that Saul Karath is a revanasi shipper (or revastila one, it depends)...)
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May I think that he's a secret revalek shipper too?:D
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allronix · 1 month
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Summary: A Jedi protectorate world populated with Sensitives has to plan for much worse outcomes than your average Republic world. The process of creating a broadcast for the worst case scenario of Telos proves to be the breaking point for Saul and Carth.
TW: Mentions of mass suicide
Finally broke the writers' block! Huzzah!
This was inspired by the web video analog horror series called Local 58 and it got me thinking about the horrible stuff that a world like Telos would have to think about that other planets might not.
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soundlesslament · 1 year
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KOTOR Conversations That Totally Happened #54
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[At the end of the Mandalorian Wars]
Revan: This war is not over, and I’d advise you all to stay on the winning side.
Saul Karath: And which side is that?
Revan: The one I’m on.
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flatscans · 6 months
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n0kt3rnal · 1 year
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A completely normal day in the sith fleet
Admiral Karath: So Bastilla fell out of the ship and onto Taris. We’ve sent a few guys down after her. It could be a while though.
Malak: How long? Are we talking enough time to watch one episode of droid wars? Or a whole series? Because I don’t want to sit down and get to episode three and then have to get up again. It will kill the whole mood.
Admiral Karath: well we can’t really say my lord-
Malak: Ah fuck it I hate waiting blow the whole thing up.
Admiral Karath: You want us to blow up… an entire planet?
Malak: did I stutter? What is it with you today? Did you forget to drink your coffee or something?
Admiral Karath: ok… I guess we could… but like, what about all the people? That live there? And like, we have hundreds of our own soldiers still there…
Malak: Saul I’m really not appreciating the negativity you’re bringing to work with you today.
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arlenahawke · 1 year
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Redemption or Return - Past Lessons
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lesbianrey · 7 months
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lol. lmao even
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ospreyeamon · 7 months
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the falls of the revanchist jedi
The narrative doesn’t directly examine why the Jedi who followed Revan and Malak fell. It is spoken of as a given – they followed Revan into war, so they followed Revan into darkness. That’s not how people work though. That’s not even how people under the influence of the Dark Side of the Force work. Spending twenty years as Palpatine’s thrall didn’t prevent Vader from throwing his Master into the reactor shaft to save his son. Revan can murder every NPC available to be murdered until reaching Rakata Prime only to pull a 180, redeem Bastila, and be feted as a hero of the Republic, Sith-eyes and all.
All but one of the surviving Revanchist Jedi who followed Revan and Malak into the Mandalorian Wars followed them again into the Jedi Civil War. Even the Exile, that lone dissenting actor, can say that they would have fought with their fellows against the Republic had their connection to the Force not been severed; that they were unable, not unwilling. Yet, the Exile can also say that they would not have followed Revan and Malak in attacking the Republic, that they went to war to defend the innocent. Many of the other Jedi who joined the war effort alongside them must have felt the same way, in the beginning.
Many of the soldiers of the Republic like Carth Onasi returned home after the Mandalorian Wars were over, even those like Saul Karath who would bow to Revan again. What then are the factors that led every surviving Revanchist Jedi, save the Exile, to follow Revan from the Mandalorian Wars into the Jedi Civil War?
1) The Mandalorian Wars changed the Jedi who fought in them. The Exile’s dialogue provides the different reasons why they might have left to fight in the war – to protect the innocent, to test their power, to defend the Republic, to win glory – reflecting varying motivations of Knights and Padawans recruited by Revan and Malak. However, despite the differences in the initial reasons for defying the Jedi Council to answer the Republic’s call, they all would have gone through similar uniting experiences during the war. Terrible experiences. Shared hardship often serves to reinforce group identity.
Older Jedi like Kavar and Arren Kae had fought wars before, but the initial expedition led by Revan and Malak was almost entirely composed of young Knights and older Padawans. Military morality, ethics in warfare, tends to be rather twisted from the perspective of modern western civilian morality. Your ability to prosecute the war and the safety of your soldiers takes priority over the lives of enemy, and sometimes even allied, civilians. Ruthless is more than a virtue, it’s a necessity. Collateral damage is an inevitability. For young relatively inexperienced Jedi, raised on ideals of valuing all life and always seeking non-violent resolutions, the transition to military command positions where they were not only required to kill, not only required to led troops to their death, but required to give orders which they knew would directly result in the deaths of civilians would have been distressing.
We know that the Exile once led troops directly into a minefield during the Battle of Dxun, but I think that barely scratched the surface. We aren’t given the full laundry list of the Mandalorians’ war crimes, but at the very least it includes the crime of aggression, murder of civilians, use of child soldiers, and conscription of captured civilians into the Neo-Crusaders and for forced labour. Given this disregard for the lives of civilians, I consider it likely that the Mandalorians also used hostages and headquartered themselves inside buildings like schools and hospitals. I suspect both sides used poison weapons, nuclear weapons, torture, and executed prisoners of war.
2) The Battle of Malachor V was a purge and a crucible of conversion. Kreia, HK-47, and the recording of Bastila Shan all say it; “a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion”, “the intention was to destroy the Jedi, break their will, and make them loyal to Revan … Revan was "cleaning house" at Malachor V”, “to convert the last of the Jedi who fought beside [Revan] – and murder those who would not”. The Jedi in the radius of the Mass Shadow Generator would have included the Jedi Revan did not believe would agree with the plan to invade the Republic.
I think many of the Revanchist Jedi had already been falling by inches before Malachor. The Mandalorian Wars were brutal and one of the major symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is emotional dysregulation. Irritability, anxiety, depression, guilt, anger – the ongoing effects of trauma make a person more susceptible to inadvertently drawing on the Dark-Side of the Force. Using the Dark-Side of the Force was forbidden by the Code enforced by the Jedi Council, but the Revanchists had been pressured to compromise their ethics in other ways to effectively prosecute the war.
For any Jedi who had not already fallen, the detonation of the Mass Shadow Generator was a final blow they could not withstand. They all fell – into the Dark-Side, into death, away from the Force.
This was the conversion that Revan desired. The moral conversation – the acceptance of actions that violated their previous moral code, the previous moral code that would not have permitted making war on the Republic. The conversion in the Force – pushing Jedi to the Dark-Side ensured that they would not be accepted back into the Order by the Jedi Council even if they desired to return.
3) The Jedi Council’s decision to exile the Jedi who returned to face them was a gift to Revan and Malak. The Council’s judgement might have been rooted in their discomfort with what the Exile had become but the reason they publicly gave is that the Exile disobeyed the Council to follow Revan to war. That reason applied equally to every single other Revanchist. By exiling the one Revanchist to return the Jedi Council exiled them all, whether or not they intended to. They may not have, but by deciding to keep secret the true reasons behind their sentence of exile they ensured the other Revanchists could interpret their judgement no other way.
Telling the Revanchist Jedi they would never be welcome to return to the Jedi Order ensured that they would never go back. Onwards was the only path left to them.
4) Revan was extremely charismatic and competent. The Revanchist Jedi had already decided that Revan and Malak judgement was better than the Jedi Council’s when they chose to defy the Council’s orders to follow them to war. Revan, Malak and the Revanchists then won the war for the Republic. In fact, Revan even discovered the shadowy threat the which had been the Council’s justification for sitting out the war through engaging in it, while the Jedi Council remained ignorant.
The Republic government probably bungled the early stages of the Mandalorian Wars by not intervening sooner. The Mandalorians were committing more than enough war crimes for them to justify it, but they allowed Mandalorians to expand their territory, build their forces and industry, and entrench their advantage. When the Republic did enter the war, it wasn’t because the Republic leadership had made a strategic decision, or even a moral one; it was because some corrupt politicians organised bribes to fast-track Taris into the Republic because it was under threat and they wanted to protect their business holdings there. The Jedi Council was also tangled up in the culture of corruption; Lucien Draay was given a seat on the Council even though he’d been accused of planning and assisting the murder of four Padawans because of his powerful family connections.
The Old Republic was more an aristocratic republic than a democratic one. Alderaan, Onderon, the Empress Teta system – they were all monarchies during this period, not democracies. If aristocrats could hold power through right of blood and plutocrats through wealth, then why shouldn’t Revan lead the Galactic Republic by right of merit and conquest?
Revan was secretive, but at least some of the other Revanchist Sith knew about the shadowy threat – the True Sith Empire. If the Republic was going to need to fight another war against an even greater enemy, surely it would need better leadership. Leadership like Revan.
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lesbiannova · 1 year
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Bastila and Carth Romance Removal Mod
This mod removes Bastila and Carth's romance by removing all romance-related dialogue from their conversations. This is achieved by removing all gender-exclusive dialogue, including player dialogue options, since in the vanilla game, Bastila's romance is exclusive to male player characters, while Carth's romance is exclusive to female player characters. With this mod, you will no longer be able to romance Bastila or Carth, regardless of the player character's gender.
This mod is for players who want to go through Bastila and Carth's conversations and complete their personal quests, but have no interest in romancing them. I have made this mod's changes to Bastila and Carth's main dialogue modular, so you can choose to either remove both characters' romances, or only one of them.
This mod also provides an additional component to change who gets tortured by Saul Karath on the Leviathan during the interrogation scene, by having Saul torture Bastila if the player character is female, or Carth if the player character is male. You may choose to install this component or not based on your preference.
Visit the pages below for download links to this mod and more details and information about this mod.
MOD PAGE & DOWNLOAD LINKS:
Deadly Stream
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domwho11 · 10 months
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Carth watched Meetra Surik as she left. The former Jedi walked as if the weight of a thousand worlds was on her back. Carth had to admit he knew how that felt.
"Safe journey, exile." he whispered.
Bastila approached him. Carth turned, feeling his heart quicken.
"Did she know?" asked Bastila.
Carth shook his head.
"No she didn't."
"There are times when I fear we shall never know why he left, Carth. And I cannot live not knowing the answer, why he sought to protect us."
Carth put his hand on Bastila's shoulder.
"He asked us to stay, to keep the Republic strong. It was important to him. And after meeting the Exile, I'm convinced there are worse things to lose in the galaxy."
Bastila put her arms around Carth and hugged him. Carth returned the hug, and before either of them knew how it happened they were kissing. A small part of Carth's mind questioned the wisdom of kissing a former Sith Lord's girlfriend but Bastila wrapped her arms around his neck and this was forgotten. When they broke the kiss Carth found himself looking into Morgana's face.
The Republic pilot stumbled backwards.
"Morgana?! But...!"
"Second time lucky huh Fleet?" she said.
Then they were on Telos as the bombs fell. Carth watched as Morgana and the surrounding countryside were turned into ash. Carth ran, trying to get to cover. He tripped and went sprawling. Carth dragged himself to his feet. He was in an old stone chamber. Dustil was there, as were Revan and Juhani.
"Dustil? Is that you?"
Dustil rolled his eyes.
"Oh lovely. It's Father."
Carth grabbed Dustil's hand.
"We need to get out of here. The Sith are coming!"
"It's all right Father, really."
Dustil prised Carth's hand loose and went to stand next to Revan.
"I was afraid; lost, alone and broken. You made me believe in you and when it counted you let me down. I just wanted you to know that."
Carth reached for Dustil but the image shifted and twisted and he was...
...standing on the Leviathan, Saul Karath's body on the floor next to him. Only it wasn't Saul, it was Carth himself. Carth realised that this was some kind of nightmare. He wanted it to be over, for these horrible images to stop. He turned and he was in the apartment on Taris again, watching over Revan as he slept. Revan woke up and looked at him. Carth knew he was the Sith Lord, and Revan knew he knew. Moments passed in silence. Then Revan said "So what happens now?"
"That depends on how reasonable we're both willing to be." said Carth.
Revan barked a laugh.
"If your idea of "reasonable" is kissing my wife."
"Revan, you..."
"Shush, shush, enough."
Revan waved a hand and Carth fell silent.
"Despite what I may have said in the past, you're a good man, Carth Onasi."
Revan put his hand on Carth's shoulder.
"It's been an honour fighting alongside you."
Then Carth was being shaken awake. Three Republic soldiers stared down at him. Carth remembered where he was. The Unknown world, the beach. Revan and Bastila had been there, they had killed the others. Carth groaned as a tear rolled down his face.
One of the Republic soldiers spoke into a communicator.
"One survivor. Bringing him in now."
Carth grabbed the man's wrist.
"No wait."
Carth looked up at the orbiting Star Forge.
"I got a better idea."
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princess-stabbity · 2 years
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open question to those who remember k1 better than me: is there ever any indication the council eventually begrudgingly okayed the revanchists joining the war effort?
i ask bc i've been combing thru the wookieepedia pages on john jackson miller's comics for reference while i work on some fics mostly set during the mandalorian and jedi civil wars. there's some interesting stuff in these summaries...but also some shit that's been frustrating me. like serroco. and the question of "when and how did the revanchists join the war?" in particular has been driving me to distraction.
per wookieepedia:
As the Revanchist picked up the mask, all of the Jedi present were suddenly enveloped in a shared Force vision of the past: They witnessed Cassus Fett herd the defenseless Cathar into the ocean and massacre them, despite the protests of the woman whose mask the Revanchist had found. Disgusted by the genocide, the Revanchist donned the mask and, adopting the simpler name of Revan, vowed to wear it until all of the Mandalorians were brought to justice.[6] In light of the vision, the Jedi Council begrudgingly sanctioned the Revanchists' intervention into the Mandalorian Wars,[6] though it still publicly denounced Revan's actions as unwise and too hasty.[5]
Revan soon came up with a solution that appeased the Council and allowed the Revanchists to join the war: He revived the idea of a Mercy Corps from the Sith War, in which Jedi were deputized to serve alongside the Republic Military allegedly as healers. The Council reluctantly agreed to Revan's request, and the Revanchists—now an official Mercy Corps—were placed under Revan's direct command. Revan and Alek, who by that time had adopted the name Malak, were appointed as generals, and they worked with Captain Telettoh of the Hammerhead-class cruiser Testament.[6] In the following months, the Revanchists joined the Republic in battling the Mandalorians openly, and Revan proved himself a capable military leader by winning several victories against the Mandalorians.[5]
at first i was like, "huh, that's a clever little idea there" and then i thought about it some more and was like wait. that doesn't make any goddamn sense, does it? i mean, if they even begrudgingly sanctioned it, on what grounds did they sentence the exile? you could say it was for malachor (when vrook asks if you know why they summoned you, you can say it's to answer for malachor), but they talk as much about her leaving as they do malachor. zez-kai ell: "why did you defy us? the jedi are guardians of the peace, and have been for centuries. this call to war undermines all that we have worked for." that doesn't really sound like a guy who grumblingly okayed it. and the way the game emphasizes that the exile was the only one to return for judgement implies the council wanted to put all the revanchists on trial, not just the one who gave the order on malachor v.
and maybe it loses something in summary, but man...i feel like these comics made kind of a mess of the whole timeline of the war? like, from what i've read, the revanchists are already actively recruiting and doing vague scouting missions at the start of the comics, before the war is considered to have started 'in earnest' (i've seen that point alternately given as vanquo or taris). yet it apparently takes them two years to check out cathar (despite having a cathar in their ranks since the beginning). and then while they were on cathar, revan and malak felt all the deaths on serroco.
for context, the revanchists' first mission shows up in issue 8. they officially join the war in issue 42. serroco was issue 15.
between issues 15 and 42 there's some mishegas on arkania with saul karath, malak, and mandalore all attending an auction for evil space slugs; the mandalorians take taris and break the resistance movement headed by the planet's new senator and the swoop gangs; a bunch of whoopsies with sith artifacts lead to the mandalorians having to nuke their own troops at jebble, which they were going to use as a staging point for attacking alderaan; and karath blockades coruscant because he's a moron and gets his whole flagship commandeered by some general grievous wannabe, which leads to them accidentally blowing a place up.
based on the chronology provided by the comics and the atlas, half of the battles the exile is explicitly said to have taken part in happened before the revanchists ever officially joined the war (serroco, duro, dagary minor).
and since i'm on serroco: i hate what they did with that. by setting it before the revanchists joined the war, it begs the question of why the exile would have been there. presumably the comics' answer would be that she was on one of those vague "scouting missions" they kept using as an excuse to have malak show up for fan service, but that begs the question of why would atton know she was there? if she wasn't even a jedi general at that point, just a random jedi who was coincidentally there and did nothing of significance, how would he know that? you basically have to work backwards to a conclusion where he, i don't know, he personally saw her there, or did such a stalkery deep dive on her he memorized her every goddamn movement from before the war, instead of the much neater and simpler solution of serroco was a battle the revanchists officially took part in and she was a general.
but god forbid other old republic era content pay anything more than a little passing lip service to k2, right? throw in a familiar name here or there as a cheap, thoughtless reference and call it a day. gotta make time for chipping away at the exile's legacy, you know?
i mean...maybe i'm wrong about some of these inconsistencies. i've been like...cross-referencing individual issue summaries by in-universe (rather than publishing) chronology with the page detailing the war overall and some individual character pages. so i think i've got a decent grasp on this, but maybe i'm getting some chronology mixed up. or maybe some of this has totally reasonable explanations that just didn't make the summary. but i don't think that would undo the problems with serroco and the mercy corps.
and like...that shit's irritating me enough i don't think i'm particularly inclined to put in the effort to make it work. because you probably could massage a lot of this. like yeah, okay, maybe the "scouting missions" were really them fighting without either the council knowing or the republic giving them official titles. and maybe they visited cathar, went "this bitch empty," left to find out what happened to serroco and bid on space slugs, and then came back a second time to finally figure out a genocide happened.
but like...i think i'd rather just throw the whole thing out and work off my own version of this shit, where the revanchists neither get nor ultimately even want permission, and join the war earlier. late enough for atton's comments to make sense ("they were slaughtering us in the millions. the millions") but early enough that i can at least still use, like, the essential atlas chronology. honestly more useful for me so far anyway since it covers both wars and gives me some of the dry nitty-gritty i was looking for.
i'm like. willing to be persuaded on this because being able to just work off the canon as much as legends is canon, w/e, you know what i mean timeline is theoretically less work for me and won't distract readers who like the comics. but...woof.
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dairine-bonnet · 4 months
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It occurred to me that if Carth hadn't talked to Saul and then got into a heated argument with Bastila, they might have managed to escape Darth Malak...
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tftor · 3 years
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flatscans · 6 months
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KOTOR I and II CHARACTER BRACKET
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inspired by the @starwarsbracket, the KOTOR character bracket has started, where you can vote for the best KOTOR character from both games!
the tournament starts tomorrow, sunday the 22nd @ 08:00 GMT
it is randomized, with major characters to low tier npcs competing against eachother
use the #polls or #tournament tags to find the polls on my blog
propaganda and cheating are encouraged!
send any propaganda through asks, and it will added into the polls!
not all characters will appear in the first round, the full character list can be found below the cut
good luck, and may the "best" character win!
full character list:
Revan
Jedi Exile
Canderous Ordo
Kreia
T3-M4
HK-47
Carth Onasi
Mission Vao
Zaalbar
Bastila Shan
Juhani
Jolee Bindo
Atton Rand
Bao-Dur
Visas Marr
Brianna
Mical
Mira
Hanharr
G0-T0
Malak
Darth Sion
Darth Nihilus
Atris
Trask Ulgo
Vrook Lamar
Kavar
Zez-Kai Ell
Darth Bandon
Calo Nord
Zax the Hutt
Ajuur the Hutt
Davik Kang
Saul Karath
Queen Talia
Chuundar
Bendak Starkiller
Deadeye Duncan
Luxa
Kebla Yurt
Droidfucker Lady
Twisted Rancor Trio
Marlena Venn
Whimpering Locker Guy
Yuthura Ban
Uthar Wynn
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sullustangin · 2 years
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Fictober Prompt 30: “Don’t Ruin This.”
Fandom: KOTOR
Time: Korriban, right before the Leviathan confrontation...
A/N added:  No direct spoilers, but heap on a little bit of angst for Anxiety!Dad (my nickname for Carth now).  Questra Kharr is my female Revan.
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He was the first up the gangplank of the Ebon Hawk.  He couldn’t wait to get out of there ---
Because the longer he stayed, the harder it was for his son to serve the Republic, the longer it would take him to finish business and get off this awful planet --  Carth’s elation drove him to march straight to the cockpit to begin take-off procedures, even as Questra was still trying to get final clearance from the port authority.  His sweat caused the dust and the sand from Korriban to stick to him and stain his skin that awful color.
He was still sweating as his hands flew over the dashboard of the Ebon Hawk.  For once!  For once things were going to be ok.  The galaxy – at least his part of it – was going to be ok, for the first time in four-and-a-half years.  Carth wheezed and then realized that he was practically hyperventilating due to the adrenaline rush.
“We’re clear!” he heard Questra yell from the ship’s entry, and without hesitation, he fired up the engines.  He sure hoped Juhani had gotten onboard.
It was only when the Ebon Hawk had left Korriban’s atmosphere that Carth realized he was absolutely kriffing disgusting.  He reeked.  Apparently, he was sweating like an over-excited teenager because it was that bad.  
He cleared his throat. “I’m going to hit the showers.”
“Please do.” Bastila’s response… was pretty reasonable, in all honesty.  
“I know, sorry.”
Carth had a foot out of the cockpit when he heard his name.  He turned around to look at Bastila, who had folded herself up on the co-pilot’s chair, knees drawn to her chest.  
“Questra told me about your son over the comm.  I can only imagine how relieved you are….” Bastila trailed off.  She looked like she wanted to congratulate him, but they both knew that didn’t quite fit the situation –
“Yeah, I am.” Carth awkwardly gestured toward the men’s quarters and the refresher.  “I’ll just – yeah.”
Carth didn’t fail to notice the way Zaalbar drew back from him with a whimper as he passed.    Carth reached the quarters he shared with Canderous and immediately went to work kicking off his boots.  
Well, at least he hadn’t stepped in something.  He was just really sweaty.
He’d just taken off his shirt when the door swished open.  “Might want to stand downwind.”
“I don’t mind,” said someone that that was most certainly not Canderous.
Carth felt his skin prickle, and it wasn’t just because of the cool recycled air in his quarters.  He turned to look at her.  “Ques.  Everything all right?”
Questra nodded and gave him a small smile.  “Just checking in on you.  After today –”
“It’s a lot.  A hell of a lot.”  And he still didn’t know how it was going to play out.  Dustil wasn’t the same child he’d had … left behind. The words caused a deep ache – always had, but now it was worse.  
Carth snapped back to the present as he felt her hand on his arm. “It’s going to be all right, Carth. I know it,” she whispered insistently to him, and he suddenly realized how close she was to him. As he made eye contact with her, he saw something in her eyes fade slightly.  “Do… do you want to go to Telos, now?  We can drop you off.”
Carth stared at her. “How could you ask that?  We’ve only got one more star map – ”
“And you just saved your son.   You can do things right now, like you wanted.” Questra withdrew her hand from his arm and let it curl in toward her, almost as if to hold herself.  “You have something more important to do than stay with me.”
He saw the most brief flash of sadness; if she wasn’t so tired after the day and if he wasn’t running off a ludicrous high, he might have missed it.  But he didn’t.  
She didn’t want him to go –
But she was telling him –
Carth couldn’t stop himself.  In a split-second, he was hugging her tight to him.  “I’m not going anywhere, Ques.”
She was rigid in shock for a few moments, and Carth was sure he’d crossed the line, misread the signals--
And then she hugged him back.
Dustil was going to be ok.
The crew was going to complete its Star Forge mission and stop Malak.  The galaxy was going to be ok.
And for the first time in years….
Cartha felt kind of ok.
He let the side of his jaw rest against her temple.
If she didn’t care about him being a sweaty mess… then neither did he.  
He heard a noise from the doorway.  Carth opened an eye, cautiously.
Now it was Canderous. And he was being an obnoxious little Mandie bastard, making lewd gestures, complete with hip thrusts
Carth wished he was a Jedi, just so he could telepathically blow up his mind with the words Don’t ruin this.
Don’t ruin this
Don’t ruin this
“….You didn’t know, did you?”
Don’t ruin this
Saul Karath’s last breath was spent laughing at Carth Onasi one last time.
Don’t ruin this
Less than 48 hours after…
Don’t ruin this
“Remember my dying words.” The blood gurgled up in his throat. “Remember them whenever ---”  the familiar rattle of an injury too severe to survive “—whenever you look at those you thought were ---”
Don’t ruin ---
….
It’s ruined.
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arlenahawke · 1 year
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Redemption or Return - Preparations Begin
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