#so you tell me tom and owen are shipping lokius

[trutrustories]

STUDY IN LOKI ROMANCE

Part 6: Conclusion

Since we're only a few days away from the last episode, I decided to COUNT DOWN everything we´ve got so far ( that can be interpreted very easily as romantic ) and discuss what the actual fuck is going on with second season. Because even though I shipped lokius practically from S1E2, I absolutely did NOT expect this kind of development. (Not that I´m complaining)

Warning: This is gonna be LONG post, lots of screenshots, lots of SPOILERS, lot of "oh-my-god-they-so-cute" language, and little bit of meta.

I originally thought that this post would be everything at once, but since I have just too many screenshots this time around, I´ll have to split it. so every post will be one episode. Color coding means:

IIIIIIIIII = anything, that coud potentialy be just acting choice.

IIIIIIIIII = everything else (tzn.: whatever was written, and/or carefully prepared by filmmakers. )

side note: I already wrote, about how amazing it is, that Mobius is unable to fight but fights anyway and how beautifuly, and ridiculously brave he is HERE. But this is about Loki/Mobius interactions, so I´ll try my best not to talk about THAT. (Even when I´m really happy, that s2 continues with this formula and Mobius is still his completely defenseless while aggressively brave self. I love him, btw.) Here is count down for every episode:

EPISODE 1 HERE

EPISODE 2 HERE

EPISODE 3 HERE

EPISODE 4 HERE

EPISODE 5 HERE

Sooooo 51 lokius moments, that were completely and utterly unexpected, but yet here they are. Why? Let´s start with over look at what we´ve actualy got: Things that could technically be just acting choices and Tom´s and Owen´s chemistry together:

unexpected exhibition of touches

Distressed God and his Happy Face (at O. B. office)

Loki finding Mobius´s joke amusing

Loki´s head tilt and smile at Mobius (in pie scene)

"They say opposites attract. NO."

Another exhibition of touches (ep 3)

"let´s be as close as we physically can" challange (at Timley´s spech)

Loki glow up (Loki fixing himself for Mobius/Don)

Loki being very nervous and stuttering while talking to Mobius/Don.

Loki gently helping Mobius/Don through the time door. Things that are deffinitely NOT just acting choices:

"Mobius It´s me!"

"Tell me, you recognize me!"

scene in in an elevator

Mobius and Loki talking to OB.

bickering, like married couple, part 1

"Mobius if I don´t make it back" and "You´ll make it back".

Mobius risking his life SKIN for loki and refusing to give up on him.

Loki saves Mobius in an epic fashion and they end up in a hug:

matching suits part 1

Loki defending /saving Mobius from Brad (with magic!)

Mobius and Loki struggling to assemble IKEA furniture- sorry Tapmad together

" And he knows..."

Loki being very concerned for Mobius after his outburst, saying that It´s okay, and then suggests having pie

Bickering like married couple (part 2)

The whole freaking pie scene!

Loki and Mobius: mischievous duo (Breaking Brad)

Loki, not following Sylvie (at the end of episode 2)

matching suits part 2

"And they lived happily ever after..." circle transition

Loki and Mobius enjoying popcorn:

Also... Bickering like married couple (part 3)

"You know sometimes I forget, that you are one of them... Blows my mind!"

Mobius supporting Loki in using magic...

Victor/Ravonna - the most transparent mirror ever:

THE TANDEM BIKE

Loki going with Mobius, not even thinking about it anymore.

changing clothes together

Bickering like married couple (part 4)

The "misunderstanding trope"

Pie scene number two

Shot with only two of them, right before the end of ep4

Loki looking for Mobius in PIE ROOM

Loki Time slipping to the theater room

Mobius/Don casually informing Loki, he´s a SINGLE dad and telling him his entire work schedule

Loki time slipping to Mobius again (right when he started to be hopefull and Happy, that O. B. will be able to help him.

Mobius/Don dropping everything and forgeting about his two mischievous sons so he can give Loki full attention

Wanna buy my wife´s jetski?

"A beautiful union of form and function"

"You saved my life, when I first arrived. You saw something in me, that I hadn´t seen in myself."

"I want my friends back. I don´t want to be alone."

"It was more about what I wanted."

"It´s not about where, when or why. It´s about WHO."

So... let´s scrap the theory, that romantic tention is created only by chemistry between actors (though it IS amazing and also key ingredient) and their acting choices. Because so far, screenplay, and cinematography was supporting their story as well. I feel, like I should clarify, that I do not expect Lokius kiss, or blatant confirmation to happen. I was here during Johnlock debacle. And I was here, when Destiel ended... the way it ended. And I refuse to put in creators (especially when it comes to marvel/disney) any hope, that I know can be crushed so very easily. I´m not doing this shit again. If it happens? WOW! I´m gonna be surprised. very pleasantly surprised. I will litteraly never shut up about it

But I do not expect it. Not even now, when I saw, what are creators of Loki able to put out in the world. Like this for example:

Or this, very brutal death scene:

And yeah, I am avare, Loki officialy CAN have male love interest, because it was confirmed in a text, that he´s a bi.

Also there was this (very misleading) article few years ago:

Still. I can´t bring myself to hope for anything explicit. But I absolutely understand anyone, who have that hope. And I know, how great feeling it is, while it lasts. Anyway. I´m gonna look at all possible options, I can think of. Even some, I feel, are more possible then others. And maybe answer is not just one. It could be more things at once.

Explanation number one: Creators took notes on how season 1 was received. And they saw, that Mobius is very popular, well-liked character, his interactions with Loki were favorite moments according to majority of an audience, and decided to lean more into that, for viewer´s sake.

Same with sylvie. Once they saw her romantic relationship with Loki isn´t that popular, they decided to give her her own agency, own story instead.

Explanation number two: They genuinely think, they are showing deep friendship between two bros and nothing more. I mean... Loki getting close circle of friends and wanting to stay with them is a one of the bigest themes this season. They are trying to make a point about Loki changing bacause of them (and probably making sacrifice for them) But there is still very intentional difference between his relationship with Mobius and everybody else. Mobius is obviously the most important one of the bunch.

Explanation number three:

Creators want romantic scene with Sylvie and Loki to be big surprise at the end, so they tried to show as much problems and conflicts between them, as they could and limited their screentime together.

But I personaly think, this would be stupid for many reasons:

Making Mobius and Loki focus this season caused people to rooth for them, and be invested in their relationship more.

They showed multiple times, that Sylvie wants from life very different things, then Loki and their philosophical views differ greatly.

It doesn´t look like creators put enough effort into building up this kind of ending to be satisfying. It would just feel like they´re trying to surprise / shock audience. Explanation number four: They think that what they are doing with Mobius and Loki is father/son dynamic. (I´m sorry, but this would be just hilarious. If this is the case, I would love to know, what they were thinking, when they decided to leave Owen´s line: "You´re just a little pussycat" in there. Or when they look at all those acting choices and said YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.)

Explanation number five: They´re queerbaiting the hell out of us. And their master plan is to make us all watch and having hope and then they will throw in the finale some last minute no homo explanation and wil laugh in our faces.

(I suppose I don't have to say how much I like this option *sarcasm*)

Explanation number six:

Creators would like to make Lokius canon, but they are restricted / they´re not allowed to. So they decided to go as far, as they can. To give us little (big) nods, to give us those beutiful scenes. To double down on everything lokius related. And they know what they can get away with before casual viewers notice that there is something gay happening. (I mean... it looks like they can get away with anything but kiss at this point :D Like seriously. I saw people talking about how beautiful Dean and Castiel´s friendship was EVEN after finale, so...)

Explanation number seven:

They are doing Love triangle thing, where they will try ultimitely "please everyone" by giving us some scene that could be potentialy seen as romantic between Loki and Sylvie AND between Loki and Mobius (while leaving it for interpretation) In Czech republic, we call it: "when the wolf ate well, but goat is still alive."

Explanation number eight: They ARE able to make Lokius canon, but they actually like podtext more, then posibility to make it transparent, and that is just the way, they want to tell this story.

Explanation number nine: They were planning to make Lokius a thing (if not from the start, then after season one) and they made whole season this way, so more people would rooth for them. And it will end with some form of confirmation of their love story. ( as I mentioned above, I can´t see this happening, but that is my bad experience talking. If it happens, I deffinitely won´t be mad about being wrong here, I can promise you that :D )

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I gues we will know more about their intent after episode 6. Right now, I´m actually just hoping, that story will stay consistent as much as it can. And characters won´t die. On the contrary I hope, they will end up happy, because they did earn it. I have to say, that I enjoyed this season even more then the first. And I really do hope, that finale wont make me change my mind. Regardles of intention, this show is high quality and it is obvious how much care was poured into every aspect of this season from effects, cinematography, costums, sets, music, acting... I think, that this show is a best thing marvel did in a long, LONG time.

Also please, pleaseeee let this season end at the place, where it will be possible to see Loki and Mobius in other MCU project (I would honestly watch anything, where they appear together)

And lastly: If it doesn´t end the way you wanted, please please don´t let anger to rule your actions. Do criticize as much as you want, but please don´t harrass anybody. At the end of the day, creators of this show are also just people. Don´t say anything, you wouldn´t say into their faces. If it will end badly, watch your favourite, comfort gay show, celebrate how much Lokius fix-it fanfiction we´ll have! And how much art already exists because of those first five episodes.

Or take that frustration and turn it to motivation: maybe you can create something better!

I was there in 2017.

Please just don´t let TV show ruin your whole year and your creativity.

for people who got here and read it all: I really appreciate it! Thank you! 💚

PS: Sorry for my english and all the grammer mistakes I´m aware it´s not ideal 😅

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[punkenby]

For everyone how as a problem with loki and mobius ‘age gap’ in the serie, let me tell you this

The age differences don’t even make sense , fist of all, loki is literally a god, he’s hundreds and hundreds maybe millions years old, and mobius as specified that in the TVA time work differently, and he stated that he worked there for so long he don’t even remember, so by that statement, he could be perfectly more then 500+ years old, and don’t even try to put the card “well loki in human years would be 17”, no, the method they used for the calculation as been debunked because it’s used the “7 years method” that we use for clarify dogs ages ( obviously with a little hundreds of 0s ya know, also I’m not sure if they actually use this or something similar, if not feel free to tell me), there was a TikTok I can’t no longer find where a dude makes a serious calculation of Loki age threw all the movies, and end up locating him in his early 30s (maybe in his early 20 during the events of Thor 1 and mid 20 during avengers) so that theory doesn’t make sense, some of y’all complaining about lokius age gap but never speak a word with Thor and Jane ( same argument can go with the sambucky age gap stuff, when literally there is Steve and Sharon right there with the same think, but for some reason some of y’all don’t speak about it either)

And little note, not even the actor age difference is a problem,Tom and Owen pass from each other only 12, literally my parents have that age gap, I understand if they where both like in their 20, that would be awkward, but Tom is 40 and Owen 52💀, those are two grown ass man, ( also don’t worry, if thst still make you uncomfortable that’s completely valid, just don’t press other people about it)

Sorry if I sounded rude or disrespectful in some part, I don’t alway make rants but I’m alway so angry when people don’t look it up stuff and immediately jump to conclusion. Alway remember to be respectful with someone if the do or do on ship lokius or every ship in general (as long is legal and not problematic)

#sorry for the rant #mini rant #loki #loki show #lokius #mcu loki #marvel #marvel rant #I really needed to get it off my chest

[owen-wilson-appreciation-club]

I cant do this shit anymore 🤦‍♀️ i fucking cant.

I keep seeing all these anti mobius/owen posts and you know what they have in common?

They stan a VERY SPECIFIC woman. Who i think we both know who it is.

Yeah fuck waldron, yeah fuck the script, yeah fuck like 82% of the show but mobius/lokius is like the only good thing that came out of it.

Not even going to comment on the whole “Mobius is emotionally manipulative” because I could easily say “Sylvie emotionally manipulated him with a kiss” but I’d get slammed so I’ll just talk Sophia bullshit.

Sometimes, I think hating other stans is dumb.

Then I remember Sophia stans are the ones telling Owen to attempt again and I remember there are exceptions. Fuck those people.

Did you guys know Sophia has been in 50+ movies? I didn’t.

Don’t believe me? Let me show you something:

She’s been in more projects as an actor than Tom. Sure, not as popular, but she should have been well established. So how come I’ve never heard of her until now?

But no. Hate on Owen cause he gets in the way of your het ship that is made by a company that detests gay people 🙄

#not tagging any actors because no ❤️✨ #my opinion #🥄 anon??? #tw suicice

[discoscoob]

Then I have actually seen l0kius shippers suggested that we are jealous because they got everything and sylki shippers got nothing

I think that they perfectly know that actually it's the contrary. It would explain all the rage they have towards the canon ship. Because if they really are convinced they got everything, it doesn't explain why they took this personal crusade in showing the whole world that Sylki is iMmOrAL, purposely searching for Sylki threads to invade, harassing shippers and creators who use Sylki as a subject, sending death threats to Kate, Sophia and the writers, consciously misinterpreting Tom's words and put others in his mouth (and some of them started to harass Tom and even insult him using his private life), writing long ass threads to explain why in their personal opinion the series sucks and the whole world hates it.

I think they perfectly know that the general public doesn't give a f about their supposed moral crusade, and that in S2 their headcanon will just stay in their heads. That explain their rage. And let me tell you, all this rage for a fictional product is not normal

It definitely isn’t a normal reaction. It isn’t that people can’t have headcanons or can’t ship couples that aren’t canon, but you can enjoy your ship without it being canon, I have enjoyed plenty non canon ships.

And I know some people who might see some of my posts come across it like I’m bragging that the pairing I like is canon while the “rival” ship isn’t, but I really don’t want to come across like that but when you have shippers constantly attacking you for your ship, harassing the creative team, twisting the actors words and acting like their ship IS canon or that there is a conspiracy behind the scenes that Tom hates everything about the show and was trying to push for l0kius so he acted those scenes with Owen trying to add romantic undertones, it is hard to ignore this behaviour.

What happened to just writing fics and interpretating scenes as romantic, without implying that it was purposely written that way or that the actors purposely acted it that way because they hate the actual script?

I understand that there have been cases where the actors actually ship the non-canon ship but the studio won’t allow it but in these cases the actors have been vocal about it. Where have Tom and Owen been vocal about it apart from Tom saying that Mobius loves Loki but Loki isn’t ready for that yet.

People can love each other and talk about loving each other without it being romantic. Toxic masculinity makes a lot of men afraid about openly talking about how much they love and care about their male friends because of how people might interpret it, but fortunately Tom isn’t like that and he can openly talk about love and feelings no matter the context.

If Tom or Owen said that they wanted lokius to be the canon ship I would hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong, but until then they haven’t and so far all people are doing is projecting.

[vincent-marie]

Fun with Fan Discourse: LOKI

This is mostly just me venting/getting my thoughts on this out there as it would make too long a twitter thread.

LOKI SPOILERS AHOY!!

While I enjoy conversing with fellow LOKI fans on the Tweeter, I also find myself muting some of the folks I follow cuz they are just way in too deep with the shipping wars of Lokius vs Sylkie.

(So this is what it was like to get caught in the middle of, say, Homestuck discourse before the Great Tumblr Exodus...)

Like, I'm a Lokius fan myself cuz Tom & Owen have fantastic chemistry together & at the very least I wanna see Loki & Mobius as Best Friends Forever. While it'd be awesome to see them as lovers, as an asexual person just having them discover the Power of Friendship by the end of the series is all I truly ask for.

And that's just it. It's only been the first season & really the last episode was all setup for future conflict. Conflict that I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing.

But a lot of the in-fighting among fans, discourse around queer representation & how Sylkie is somehow a bad thing for bi or genderfluid folk... It really just makes my brain hurt.

First of all, did y'all really expect a multi-million-dollar corporation focused on making more money to REALLY get queer representation right? Frankly, the fact that they made the TITLE CHARACTER genderfluid & bisexual is a step up compared to background lesbian from ONWARD.

Also, there's no "right" way to represent us. Besides select Sylkie fans being incredibly homophobic towards Team Mobius, some of the pro-Lokius discourse sometimes reminds me of everyday biphobia. People accusing others, "You can't be bi if you're in a hetero relationship."

I want to interact with like-minded people, but I'm also reminded why I usually keep a good distance between myself an an overall fandom. All this anger & toxicity over fictional characters. It's just crazy.

That said, there have been some REALLY interesting theories that Loki in this continuity is emotionally dysfunctional & is probably mistaking empathy for romantic connection. I dig that theory cuz I was once a confused, lonely teenager who couldn't discern platonic love from romantic.

And, again, this is only the first season. As much as Sylkie weirds me out as a concept I do wanna see how this plays out. Cuz, remember, Sylvie only kissed Loki as a distraction so she could get him out of the way & commit murder. There HAS to be some external & internal conflict as a result of that breach of trust.

Weirdly enough, I could totally get on board with Sylkie if the story & character journey is done really well. But for now it's really too early to tell.

I'm bummed that director Kate Herron is leaving, but glad that she did it as her own decision to only do the one season. Fingers crossed the folks filling in her shoes will keep to the intended vision & not go all "Season 3 of GARGOYLES" on us.

Also, I look forward to "Sylvie Did Nothing Wrong" becoming a thing.

#loki #loki spoilers #fan rant