#than Love Triangles Snw Spock

[realmofstupid]

I don't know how to concile the fact I love Spock in Star Trek Discovery so much but hated his Strange New Worlds iteration, and they're supposed to be the same spock. Am I being a hypocrite?

#star trek discovery #star trek snw #spock #dsc spock #snw spock #ethan peck #I know they added a lot of extra backstory to him on dsc but he felt closer to my guy tos spock #way closer #than Love Triangles Snw Spock #i'm sad about it #I can't really say it's two different versions can I?

[star-trek-fandom-confessions]

#250

"At the risk of being accused of being a racist white man or female misogynist, I fail to understand how the existence of La'an Noonien-Singh on the Enterprise fits into the rest of Trek canon or is even necessary. SNW's expansion on Uhura, Chapel, and Number One's characters I can understand since Uhura is the main girl of TOS and Una and Christine are TOS characters too. Even Erica being Sulu's predecessor doesn't really mess with TOS canon too much. Same with Pelia being Scotty's, or even the expansion of T'Pring's character since she is the fiance of a main TOS character Spock.

Like, don't get me wrong, she's not the first Trek character to have a "famous" relative, but if being Khan's descendant and called "augment" is so bad, why didn't she or her parents change their last name? To me, that is the biggest facepalm moment since Magnus and Erin Hansen deciding to bring little Annika on their Borg studies mission. Heck, I'd argue that Una's augment prejudice storyline is better-written and less ham-fisted since her being Illyrian doesn't fuck TOS canon too much, plus her super strength and perfect immune system make her a bigger "threat" to Starfleet than La'an's last name and ability to be a better drunk than everyone else. I also feel like La'an's character hinges on her last name and retconning of the Gorn. Idk how to explain it, but what else is there to fall back on compared to other characters? Even the crush on Kirk is strange because she retroactively never existed during the events of "Space Seed" and The Wrath of Khan, and Kirk never mentions her during those events. One could argue how TOS Chapel is a "passive" or "shallow" character compared to La'an, but TOS Chapel's personality can still be explained by her grief and regret over past relationships with Spock and Roger Korby.

Like don't get it wrong, this rant isn't a hate-boner on La'an herself, I'm just very critical of her character's existence and how it will fit into the future of SNW and TOS' canon events. Does she die of Gorn parasite eggs laid inside her? Is her super-duper special Khan DNA the reason TOS era Gorns look more human? Do she and Dr. Marcus become friends, or love rivals over Kirk? (I personally hope it's the former because I hate prolonged love triangles and toxic Kirk/La'an shippers.) If she even dies in SNW, is it to contrast with Khan being awoken from cryosleep in some kind of narrative irony? Or does Temporal Investigations mess up and screw her out of existence? I don't think I would say her character is boring but my God, does it's existence confuse me sometimes."

#confession 250 #two parts confession #star trek #star-trek-fandom-confessions #strange new worlds #la'an noonien singh

[mycroft-silently-judges-you]

hmm okay so go with me on this because this is the only way i can think to reconcile what is currently happening with spock and what we know the future holds

as of right now spock is in a quasi love triangle thing with t’pring and chapel. we also know that kirk is going to be introduced here at the end of season one or at the top of season two

we also know that spock only tells one of those people that he “always has been and always shall be” theirs… and it’s not t’pring or chapel

after this last episode i’m beginning to wonder if what ultimately pulls him away from t’pring and chapel is kirk. because let’s be real, there’s no way for this show to introduce kirk and then NOT lay the groundwork for what would become his and spock’s relationship

i know it seems a bit out there and i don’t necessarily mean this in a shippy sense (even tho i’d def prefer that) but i’m beginning to think he’ll ultimately drift away from t’pring and chapel for the exact same reason: they expect him to be something he’s not

t’pring clearly expects that at some point spock will come back to vulcan and dedicate himself fully to the vulcan way, disregarding his sense of duty and desire to stay in starfleet

chapel told him in episode nine that the powerful emotions he was feeling and having difficulty controlling just made him human. the last thing spock wants is to be human

they both have an inherent misunderstanding of who spock is and who he wants to be. this is where kirk could potentially come in

kirk’s relationship with spock is notable in that kirk is really the only person who has ever fully accepted spock for who he is. he doesn’t expect him to be or turn into anyone else. he’s just spock and that’s all kirk has ever wanted from him. and i’m beginning to wonder if this is what pulls spock away from t’pring and chapel and towards kirk, which would be incredible to see since we know by tos he’s estranged from t’pring and distant with chapel. and yet, spock and kirk are living so far up each other’s ass that they’re rarely seen doing something separate from each other. maybe strange new worlds is endeavoring to show us how they got there

or they could also just set the house on fire and have spock banging t’pring and chapel forever and him and kirk become the dude-iest or dudebros but i’m giving snw a lot more credit than that. DO NOT LET ME DOWN SNW I BELIEVE IN YOU

#bonus points if pike notices and is a supportive dad for his gay son #strange new worlds #star trek #star trek strange new worlds #spock #kirk #spirk

[ploppythespaceship]

I am actually mad at this week's SNW episode for wasting that incredible premise by making such a terrible episode with it. Exploring a younger Spock as he still figures out the balance of his Human and Vulcan sides is a really great idea for a prequel series, and having sci-fi shenanigans turn Spock fully Human for an episode is a very fun and fresh way to do that. I 100% get the appeal.

But...

Problem 1: This season's premiere clearly established that Vulcans have much stronger emotions than Humans, they're simply used to suppressing them. This is confirmed again within this very episode. So why does Spock becoming fully Human suddenly make him completely unable to function due to his newfound emotions, which should be weaker than what he's used to? This might not bother me so much if the show hadn't gone out of its way twice now to clearly state the Vulcan emotions are stronger, but establishing that only to completely disregard it within the same episode has me absolutely baffled.

Problem 2: The other characters have to remind Spock how to act Vulcan. But having Human emotions wouldn't just negate the rest of Spock's upbringing? He was still raised Vulcan, he knows how Vulcans act, he's been trained in suppressing his Human side his entire life. Why would all of that just disappear?

Problem 3: The writers actually thought that the best implementation of this entire idea was to further the Spock/Chapel/T'Pring love triangle. And to make Spock into a canonical adulterer. There was a genuinely interesting story line in here about Spock coming to better respect and appreciate the Humanity that he inherited from his mother, but it was so understated and didn't have nearly the attention it deserved, because the writers were too busy furthering a love triangle that is actually the worst part of this show.

#personal #snw spoilers #anti snw #tbh this season has been mostly misses for me so far

[pinazee]

SNW Episode 6 ending.

In SNW Episode 6, how did you feel when spock sat with kirk and uhura and the 3 of them started bonding.

A part of it just felt so right and felt like Spock. Real Spock. it just felt like trek at its core again than the thing he has going on with Tpring and Chapel.

Its interesting that in the Kelvinverse Kirk, Uhura and Spock was played off as a love triangle for most of star trek 2009 until it was not but those 3 did end up forming a bond that was suited for a trek alternate timeline that had toots in TOS.

With SNW The Spock-Chapel-Tpring thing just feels so ooc and off.

Thoughts.

Tbh i never got love triangle from 09. To me, Pine kirk just seemed like a relentless flirt and superficial. That man wasnt building relationships to last, he was having fun.

As for the spock-chapel-tpring, ive never been a fan of love triangles. But i still trust the writers to get this in the right place. They know spock is OOC right now. I’m waiting to see how it plays out. Im mostly curious about chapel at the moment, since we still know nothing about her. I want more scenes with other characters. Right now her story is dominated by spock and thats very TOS of her (and i cant help but wonder if that’s purposeful. Are they going to flip it on its head later?)

The ending with spock-uhura-kirk was very well done! It was subtle yet so impactful. I know kirk and Uhura canonically kiss (by force) but i always got big brother/little sister vibes from them, and i kind of got it in this ep too. I cant wait to see what they build with spock and kirk and how. Having all 3 of them felt like my family was reuniting :)

#star trek #star trek strange new worlds #james t kirk #strange new worlds #spock #star trek snw #snw #uhura #nyota uhura #jim kirk #james kirk

[vulkling]

People calling people who don't like Spock/Chapel 'haters' or misogynists for not liking it. I'm not a damn misogynist for disliking a ship or fictional character (not that I hate Chapel, she's fine ON HER OWN) but consider this:

If not liking that one of the very founding ships of the same fandom that gave SNW its audience AND started fandom as a whole is being ignored even though it could be a phenomenonal marker of progress for the Trek series (which has always struggled with trying to be progressive but been hampered) and society as a whole (the comparison between Trek not being remotely allowed to show same sex relationships at all in TOS and SNW making two of their most iconic characters queer would really illustrate how far we've come as a society, but I guess we haven't come that far 🤷‍♂️)...

...In favour of exploring a relationship with what is, let's face it, a pretty one-note character from TOS, because making Spock and Kirk's relationship romantic and sexual would be icky and nasty and 'degrade' the nature of the relationship (it would literally have the same strength and purity as their platonic relationship, just while acknowledging the gay undercurrent - unless you think sexuality, even gay sexuality, is less pure? Why do you think that? 🤔) and general audiences/the network/investors wouldn't like it...

... Makes me a hater

Then yeah! I'm a fucking hater! I hate this shit!

In addition:

If you're a straight woman, then yeah, you need to check your shit before throwing words like misogyny at people (especially gay people) who don't like your m/w ship. I could easily throw the word homophobia at you and we could go around in circles all day. You need to accept that maybe people don't like Chapel because of the context surrounding her and her (and Spock's) writing and not because they hate women.

Before anyone gets on my ass about Chapel being bisexual and so somehow this is biphobia: Yeah, I'm also bisexual. You know damn well the writers giving her five seconds of homosexuality and then immediately going hard on Chapel/Spock is not revolutionary. It's not erasure to say you don't like a character or ship. Also: accept more than breadcrumbs, for gods' sakes.

No, I don't like Spock/T'Pring either, but at Spock isn't acting (as) wildly out of character around her and I can see what the writers are trying to do, even if I don't agree with it. (If they'd just focused on her and kept Chapel's thing unreciprocated SNW would have been miles better and less of a disorganised love triangle mess.)

#snw critical #SNW spoilers #Star trek spoilers #Star trek #Spock

[spock-in-awe]

one of the things that annoys me most

about SNW season 1 is Nurse Chapel's insistence on Spock's honesty.

in The Serene Squall (and a few moments hinted at in previous episodes), the writers are CLEARLY implying Spock does have a fondness for Christine. one that goes beyond friendship (as demonstrated in s2). and to have Christine repeatedly say she knows what she gets with him, that he's not someone to run around behind his girlfriend's back, only points to the fact that he kind of actually is doing precisely that?

i cannot understand what the purpose is here. other than played out love triangle nonsense. but there is a big ick feeling i get with this particular writing decision. because Spock can be confused as hell about everything, that's fine, but to make him dishonest is philosophically opposed to who he is.

#oh hey i'm ranting again #and not even coherently #star trek: snw #spock

[bardicious]

I don't like to compare movies and tv/streaming shows the format are different. on tv or streaming, you have more time to explore characters and I feel spock and chapel stuff has been handled poorly and not well written in a mature way that is fitting for star trek.

i have seen some on reddit compare the spock/tpring/chapel love triangle to a CW show and I get why. on cw shows the plot points of romance tend to move very fast and feels rushed and the characters get new love interest like every 3 episodes and this is were we are with the spock/chapel/tpring stuff.

episode 5- spock sleeps with chapel after he takes a break from tpirng. This is CW writing from the good old days of gossip girl.

episode 6- they are dating secretly but cannot agree on when to go public with their romance. clearly they see a lot of things differently. we dont even know how chapel feels about dating spock when he is on a break with tpring. I think this should have been discussed in episode 6. Chapel is kind of like his official mistress. I feel this is worse than the tos version.

Spock = John Lenon?

Tpring =Yoko Ono?

Chapel= May Peng?

episode 7- Bolmier tells her she may be a phase and he will get back to his normal self

its like the show did not and could not even give them a chance to date openly for a long while for their relationship to have stakes so they can matter, even to the haters.

spock and chapel feels it was set up to crash and burn even before it took off

I think this is where I favour AOS Spock/Uhura more if I was to pick a spock het, they are written more like an adult couple that was built to go some distance and less of a phase and they try to make it work even by beyond.

They are not going to make spirk canon in any time line, AOS spock/uhura felt more saner and less problematic than SNW spock/chapel and SNW spock/tpring.

Also Uhura has always been a better female character than Chapel and Tpring, I think this is why in SNW they upgraded chapel and kind of downgraded uhura. it does not take rocket scientist to point out that snw uhura looks and feels nothing like TOS Uhura and the actress who plays her lacks the charm and beauty of Nichelle Nichols.

The fact that I cannot see AOS Spock sleeping with two women in one week like SNW Spock makes AOS Spock closer to TOS Spock, who will barely even admits he likes girls.

We can argue SNW Spock is becoming more like TOS Spock but I kind of disagree because they are not even sexualising SNW Kirk but SNW Spock is hyper sexualised. Spock gets more sex than kirk and pike in snw and he gets it from 2 women in tos he does not seem to give a crap about. you dont say.

If I was to rank mu spock

TOS Spock> AOS Spock > SNW Spock.

SNW Spock also suffers a lot for modern day extreme feminism writing where they make men into clowns to make the women appear stronger. to many make trek fans, they think the show has made him into a joke. a criticism you dont see with aos spock. so it is kind of like a loose loose scenario with both genders.

Many male fans hate or dont care about the romance triangle of spock/chapel/tpring because men dont really care about this stuff in sci-fi shows

many female fans hate it because they are mostly spirk shippers

I can see your point with the writing from those terms, but honestly? It doesn't bother me. And there's no real angst on Spock's part with either relationship to Chapel or T'Pring. That's why I particularly don't feel the whole love triangle thing. To me, its more like they're playing with the love triangle trope, but everyone and their mom knows no one in this triangle is invested AT ALL.

T'Pring having her own Vulcan duties and agenda, Spock wanting to be more human, Christine seemingly being in "love" with Spock, but feels more like she has unresolved issues in general. So it's more like three adults, have their own issues, and aren't successfully communicating any of them. Not the same as teenage angst, tho I can see the similarities you're drawing from.

From what I gather, you see SNW as more childish, but for me AOS is worse, cause the defining traits I remember from everyone is smugness and anger. That may have changed by the point of their third film (I did hear it was one of the better ones, but I personally just don't care about it either) but in the first and second, it was all about action and revenge and just... so not anything to do with star trek.

At this point tho, I gotta assume you're trolling? Because saying Celia Rose Gooding lacks charm and beauty is just a downright lie?? lmao.

Spock is being sexualized because he's Spock, and Ethan Peck is hot. Spock is the poster boy for Star Trek and lots of people have always been attracted to him. And I'd wager Zachary Quinto didn't escape sexualization in the modern era of Trek either. Also, Trek has a history of sexualizing both men and women, following us way back to the sixties.

You're last few paragraphs... I just full stop disagree. And genuinely doubt men OR women dislike SNW at all, actually... the negative views are the minority and if it's cause of ridiculous arguments like "SNW suffers from modern day extreme feminism writing" than good riddance?

Sorry, I don't think I can take these asks at face value anymore. It doesn't sound like you want a conversation in good faith? If you want to rant about whats wrong with SNW, you'll have to do it on your own posts. And by all means, interact with people who think similarly. Our views diverge too much. Good luck though, nonnie!

#Bardicious Asks #Anonymous #Where No Man Has Gone Before and Then Some #star trek #star trek snw #strange new worlds #I might be wrong #the rest of what you said sounded fine - but what you said about celia is just wrong and rude? #and the last part just sounds like some stereotypical troll statements #good luck if you're not a troll nonnie!

[knightotoc]

Spock's deal as developed over decades:

logical, stoic, superhuman strength, superhuman precision, green blood, pointy ears, scientist, musician, vegetarian, friend to animals, telepath, hippie sympathizer, idealist

has more powerful emotions than humans, so he has to hide them

over years of cold professionalism, forms incredibly deep attachments to coworkers Kirk and Bones, even though their human lifespans are tragically shorter than his own

a complex reflection of an imperfect but remarkable and beloved real person (Nimoy's two biographies are called "I Am Not Spock" and "I Am Spock"); because of this, Spock is famously Jewish-coded and expressed many of Nimoy's strong personal values and creative ideas

historically significant gay interpretation by an important fandom and published writers; in the wider fandom, Spock's sex appeal surpassed the actual lead actor's

he has some romances as a young man, but he ultimately dedicates his life to the noble cause of Romulan reunification

bizarre alien libido on a fuck-or-die 7-year cycle; this silly premise is taken extremely seriously

difficult relationship with his Vulcan father and human mother

complex relationship with Starfleet, especially w/r/t Pike, Kirk, and Romulans

has a secret half-brother who darkly mirrors Spock's own struggles with emotions, forming bonds with other people, and faith in God

sacrifices himself out of pure, logical love and gets reborn through the misuse of a terraformer-turned-superweapon

the platonic ideal of a nerd

In 2009, Spock was recast, but this version is from an alternate timeline. There are two significant changes to the character, which are not as appealing to me, but I still appreciate them:

his homeplanet was destroyed. This enormous tragedy gives us a character who is much less stoic. In my opinion, this takes away from Spock's uniqueness. But as a Star Wars fan, I appreciate that Spock's grief for his planet gets to affect him in a way Leia's never did

he has a relationship with Uhura. This is a fun decision, especially as these characters had some chemistry in the original show, but it is a bit spoiled by the creepy tracking device subplot

This recast is a fundamentally different character. In my opinion the best thing about him is when they lean into that difference; Quinto's Spock knows about Nimoy's, and has profound feelings about his alternate self. This was handled beautifully after Nimoy's death, and I am grateful that his protege's version of the character got to grieve with us in the real world.

In 2019, Spock was recast for a second time, and this version is supposed to be the same character as the original. But they have made multiple changes to the character anyway, which I mostly dislike. I haven't watched SNW since I feel this interpretation of Pike is even more ableist than the 60s version, but I am trying to keep track of what this franchise is doing with their best character:

Spock now has an additional secret sibling, an adopted human sister Michael. The reveal that Sarek chose Spock over Michael for Vulcan Science Academy, which Spock refused anyway, is some fun drama. It makes me feel bad for Michael and angry with Spock, which is a bummer. I do not think we needed to have Trek's first Black woman protagonist anchored by her relationship to a legacy character. I enjoy their dynamic, but I don't see a fundamental mirror of challenging topics with them like I do with him and Sybok. And of course this bond isn't going to be able to influence Spock in the future, as his bond with Sybok will

Spock now also has dyslexia; I appreciate the representation, but again this isn't going to influence him at all in the future; Spock in "The Menagerie" is an ableist character by modern standards

he's in a love triangle with Chapel and T'Pring; to me this is OOC for all three of them, and unnecessarily makes original Spock into a big, insensitive jerk. While he is a passionate character, the whole point is that he controls his passion, even to the point of choosing his love for humanity over his love for individuals. His deep friendship with Kirk and Bones is only possible since they have grown old together, which is the main theme of the original movies

where'd the chest hair go

Peck's interview where he says they're pushing Spoimler and he enjoyed acting with Quaid because they're both from acting families = so this actor's input into this once highly personal character is just queerbaiting and nepotism

The reason I wrote this post is because, in the newest SNW ep (spoilers), Spock becomes somehow humanized and, as a result, happily eats bacon. First of all, "I love bacon" is like, the definition of cringe outdated internet humor. More importantly, this is a nonsensical and possibly offensive move for a character who is Jewish-coded and vegetarian. Vulcans can eat meat, but they choose not to as part of their strict code of ethics. Spock in particular has a deep love for all forms of life, and his telepathy even gives him the ability to understand every creature from the Horta to the whales. Of course Federation meat is synthesized, but, at least in my interpretation, I can't imagine Spock even symbolically enjoying eating one of the smartest animals on Earth.

Of course every beloved character will develop over time, sometimes even in prequels. But these changes ought to make them more complex, or more personal to a new creator. The things that made Spock special are draining away. He is becoming more fashionable, straighter, more ordinary. Most fans seem to enjoy the new version, but I am left reeling at these odd decisions.

#star trek #spock #long post #lots of adverbs here smh im too upset to write well ig

[data-is-my-favorite-android]

I just… really don’t get why some people think that the way Spock in SNW is depicted is somehow character assassination? I think the actor and the writers are doing a closer job of representing the original Spock than the way Spock was handled in the Kelvin timeline 🤷 (which, yeah, was an alternate timeline, so that’s already excusable). And yeah, we are retreading old ground with Spock’s duality, but that’s because a) this is a younger Spock who would still absolutely be ACUTELY feeling his duality in Starfleet, and b) that discomfort with his duality seems to never really get resolved (or only gets resolved much later in Spock’s life), so there’s still ground to tread here, actually, especially considering this was always the central tension at the heart of his character. It’s an interesting, nuanced topic to explore that resonates with lots of people, and it’s been updated for modern audiences. New generations of people can see a reflection of their own struggles to reconcile seemingly contradictory aspects of themselves in this Spock. There’s tremendous value in that!

Could they address other aspects of Spock’s earlier life in Starfleet better, like the culture shock of him adjusting to a largely human crew? Sure, and maybe they still will, but also even by the time of Discovery Spock had been serving with Pike on the Enterprise for long enough to build a pretty solid relationship with Pike. He’s probably done the most obvious adjusting by now. Could they show him building friendships with the other crew members? They are, in that slow and methodical Spock-like way. He and Uhura are not friends, but you can see how they could eventually become so. Spock and La’An both struggle to build friendships, but they do have a special understanding of each other after their mind-meld. Spock and Chapel are growing closer in both a platonic and a potentially romantic sense. But Spock was never the cuddly kind of friend or very easy to get close to, so that was always going to take time for him outside of very specific circumstances (such as an extrovert like Chapel or Kirk adopting him).

The love triangle can be off-putting to some, but that is an aspect of Spock’s life that is barely explored from TOS onward (and we know that Spock did have relationships with women both before and during TOS). Seeing Spock explicitly being in an established relationship and feeling confused by his conflicting romantic desires is new and interesting. Maybe it isn’t the ship many were hoping for and that (understandably) chafes, but nothing is set in stone yet and that doesn’t negate the narrative value of exploring this uncharted part of Spock’s earlier life and emotional development.

Lastly, maybe this is naive of me, but I’m not 100% convinced that SNW is going to stay firmly on the canonical railroad tracks to TOS. This whole first season has already been bending canon in minor ways, and its themes revolve around sacrifice and pre-destination vs self-determinism. We all know not only how American writers tend to feel about which side of that argument should win, but also how a famous Starfleet captain feels about no-win scenarios (which by extension informs the ethos that drives TOS). This series still has the opportunity to pull a Kirk’s Kobayashi Maru maneuver. Is Pike’s fate inescapable? Is Spock’s identity (as in his characterization as seen in TOS) forever locked in an immutable binary? Are all our characters trapped in a script laid down by someone else years before, doomed to never deviate, or can they somehow rewrite their own endings? What is the relationship between choice and fate?

The TOS canon is already there, explored, thoroughly analyzed, and always available to retread. Why not explore some new avenues with some new characters AND some characters we already know and love? Would that really be so bad? Deviating doesn’t negate the truth of the original canon, and it presents unique storytelling opportunities. The show is called Strange New Worlds, after all, and there might be more meaning to that than a simple callback to the TOS intro.

Even if it does adhere to canon, though, Spock’s character development is kinda where it should be according to the pre-TOS timeline. Which was always going to be similar to but different from his TOS self.

Anyway, TLDR: (say it with me again) The characterization of Spock in SNW isn’t character assassination, it’s an earlier iteration of TOS Spock who is still working some shit out and also, like everything else in the show, it’s been updated for a modern audience. Sometimes it feels like people are mad that he isn’t exactly the same as he was (/picking up where TOS Spock left off) even if that doesn’t make sense for the timeline, or they’re bored by the themes that were always central to his character, or they’re mad that he hasn’t evolved to fit a specific vision of Spock they want to see. I get that; Star Trek and TOS are near and dear to many, including myself, and we all have at least ONE strong opinion about the characters and canon, if not more. But I don’t think it’s accurate to accuse Spock’s SNW characterization of being character assassination.

#strange new worlds #st snw #spock #meta #character analysis #character assassination #this is just how I see it #ymmv #but I had to put my thoughts down #they were taking up too much brain space #and I have WORK TO DO DAMMIT

[lindsaybob]

For the fandom asks, tell me about 7 - your favourite episodes! And also 5 please.

I’ve been putting this ask off for ages because I’m finding it really difficult! I’m so bad at choosing favourites.

I’m starting with 5, because it’s a little easier. “Favourite song, album, or artist to listen to this year.”

Well, as usual Taylor Swift came top on my Spotify Wrapped, so I’m going to go ahead and say she was my favourite artist to listen to this year. However, I discovered a few new artists/songs that I really enjoyed towards the end of the year, via the Spotify radio function, including Betty Who and Gatlin. I listened to “Wanna Be” and “What If I Love You” many, many times in November/December and I’m still listening to them now.

I also rediscovered my love of K’s Choice, who are a band I used to listen to all the time but hadn’t really listened to at all for years until earlier this year. They released a live album a few years ago that is essentially a ‘greatest hits’ concert and I listened to that a LOT this year.

Also, honourable mention for “Hold My Hand” by Jess Glynn for giving me an idea that inspired me to start writing fanfic again (even if the fic may never actually be finished, as the most important scene seems determined to stay stubbornly in my head rather than let me put it in the document with the rest of the fic…). It isn’t a song fic, but that’s definitely where the idea came from and I’ve listened to the song a lot while writing it.

Now onto the really difficult one - “Favourite TV show episodes of the year.”

I’m not going to limit this to shows that actually released new episodes in 2022, but I AM going to limit it to shows/episodes I watched for the first time in 2022, because if we get into all the rewatches I started, or the earlier seasons of longer running shows, we’ll be here all day.

So, we’re looking at the second half of Prodigy season 1, Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks season 3, Picard season 2, The Orville season 3, Discovery season 4, The Librarians, The X-Files season 11.

The X-Files season 11 and Picard season 2 were both raging dumpster fires, so no favourite episodes there. Prodigy I really enjoyed as a whole, but no particular episodes really stood out to me as favourites. Same with Discovery season 4.

Strange New Worlds is so difficult to choose favourite episodes for, partly because I loved the whole show much and also because some of my favourite individual scenes are in episodes that I wouldn’t choose as my favourite overall (e.g. the breakfast scene in ‘All Those Who Wander’). I don’t think it will surprise anybody who’s been paying attention to this tumblr if I say that my favourite episode is probably ‘Ghosts of Illyria’. I also really enjoyed the pilot, ‘Strange New Worlds’, ‘Memento Mori’ and ‘Spock Amok’. (Does it really count as choosing favourites if you name 40% of the episodes that exist at this point…?)

Along with SNW, The Librarians was probably the best new thing I watched last year, even though it’s actually coming up on 10 years old. For favourite episodes at this point I’m going with ‘The Loom of Fate’, ‘The Hollow Men’, ‘The Point of Salvation’, ‘The Happily Ever Afters’, ‘The Trial of the Triangle’, ‘The Wrath of Chaos’, ‘The Silver Screen’, and ‘The Echoes of Memory’. I don’t think I’ve done too badly to narrow it down that much, given that I watched all four seasons in about a month! Many episodes I’ve still only watched once, so some of my favourites will almost definitely change on rewatches.

Lower Decks, I particularly enjoyed the season premier, ‘Grounded’, as well as ‘Mining the Minds Mines’ and ‘Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus’.

That leaves me with The Orville season 3, which I loved! Favourites were probably ‘A Tale of Two Topas’, ‘Twice in a Lifetime’ (even though it made me angry) and ‘Domino’. With honourable mentions for the scenes in ‘Future Unknown’ where Ed comes to talk to Kelly, Claire and Talla while they’re drunk and when Claire tries to make Ed help her choose a dress, and the presence of Dolly freaking Parton!

This was more information than you wanted, wasn’t it @the-lady-general? 😂

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we are comparing chapel and uhura and their ''thing''with spock. who is the worse love interest uhura in the kelvin films or chapel in

snw.

And chapel is way way worse than uhura at least uhura and spock are a couple in that timeline. chapel in SNW is one minute away from assaulting spock in snw and most of her story arc in snw has been defined by trying to be spock's girlfriend. if you are going to criticise uhura, please give chapel a harsher criticsm, but we know the white blonde girl can get a pass of doing worse. also uhura in the kelvin films, not really just spock's girl friend, please rewatch the film. kirk and spock are way more defined by their friendship than anyone else but that is fine...sure.

also this was not a K/S issue it was a uhura and chapel issue

I'm just confused as to how you came to the conclusion that Chapel was 2 seconds from assaulting Spock (she's really not and I want to know what evidence you have to suggest that) or how you got the idea that I like the Spock/Chapel romance in SNW. I really don't. Aside from it being you know, a boring love triangle that we all know how it ends, it's playing fast and loose with TOS canon, trying to imply that Spock and Chapel were a requited thing and actually seems to want us to forget that she had a fiance before TOS started. Am I happy that they're playing it out so early? No. Am I enjoying the direction they're going with it? No. I just know why they're doing it.

"At least they are a couple" doesn't mean they're a great couple. Kelvin never made a good argument as to why they should be a couple. They just are and almost any time they're onscreen together they're either having problems or just kissing. I think there's one maybe two in all three films where their getting along and not breaking up. Hell, I think SNW made a better argument for any kind of relationship, romantic or otherwise, between the two.

Also, I have never said that this was a K/S issue. You're the one trying to make it one. Do I ship it? Yes, but I know it's never going to be canon so all I do is pretty much sit back and enjoy the moments. And for additional context in terms of Kelvin timelines, no I am not a big fan of K/S in the Kelvin timeline. It takes till literally movie three for anyone to actually show that they like each other for more than five minutes and that is in regards to both the Romantic and Platonic relationships.

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