#there truly is no fandom like the spn fandom

[shedontlovehuhself]

Yeah, it sucks that Bobo and Misha were not given the space to talk about the confession scene in the same way Oliver and the 911 peeps are doing with Buckley right now. Cas' coming out and his "I love you" to Dean should have gotten a bigger celebration than just Misha speaking about it on his own. Hell, Ruthie and other cast members tried to show support online and got shut down by haters and antis. Misha should not have been the only one out there in 2020 and 2021 talking about it. But he was. And yes, prior to 15x18 he went from safely playfully supporting Destiel to full on doing so right after the confession scene. Even without backup from his costar. Just like he was the only one to actively advocate for HIS character's canon queerness. Where was EW for Misha back in 2020? They definitely spoke to Jensen about it. And no, chaos machine had nothing to do with Misha talking about queer Castiel. The way certain Jensen fans try to give credit where it isn't earned and using Misha to do so should be studied.

And I'll add that yes, Jensen has grown over the years. He's more accepting of fans canon of bi Dean and has always happily signed and praised destiel fan art. He's proud of what Misha did with Cas and has said that Dean and Cas should have a conversation about what happened. But he still hasn't said the words Cas is queer. He still can't say destiel. He also has said in so many ways he doesn't see Dean as queer and even has stated Cas' confession can be open for interpretation. So while I'm proud of his obvious growth, y'all not bout to give him credit for what Misha was out here doing on his own.

I remember when everyone was saying Jensen has no power at CE cons. So now that the narrative calls for it, y'all are now saying he has power at CE. Suggesting that he made changes with said power that coincides with Misha talking more openly about queer at CE is truly a reach.

- Momento con in 2021(non CE con) where Misha happily talked about queer castiel and cas and Dean wanting to bang each other.

- German con in 2021 when Misha again talked about queer Castiel, Destiel, and had a positive reaction to a fan's "Dean is bi" t-shirt that had the audience cheering, meanwhile Jensen stans were crying on twitter that Jensen should be doing more euro cons (this was during Jensen's silent era, mind you).

- Misha's cameos where he had destiel trending and also talked about queer Castiel. He also talked about when Cas fell in love with Dean. Also the Cameo where he jokingly said "Cas, you can do better" about being in love with Dean.

- his virtual interviews in late 2020. And his pride posts each June. his interview when at a French con where he talked about Cas being a queer icon(y'all got mad at him for that one, too).

#(not) sorry for my rant but chiiiiile when i saw what I saw i couldn't hold my tongue #I'll lose some of my ten followers and get blocked #and gonna be labelled a Jensen hater but y'all not bout to play in castiel and misha's face like that #misha collins #castiel #spn #supernatural #destiel #jensen ackles #dean winchester #this fandom truly.... #911 abc #happy for Oliver and bi Buck

[soullessjack]

lord knows I do not have the capacity to explain it right now but I have so much disdain for how heteronormative and nuclear this fandom is hellbent on making destiel and lord knows I have an even bigger hatred for how jack is used to fuel it.

#just say you hate actual queer men and fuck off girl #you don’t want queer representation you want something palatable and sanded down and. Buzzfeed-ified I don’t fucking know #or even just how basic masculinity is treated in the fandom like oh my fucking god. queer men are not a monolith of effeminate nail painters #I am so tired and angry and I want to fall asleep but I can’t so here you get this #cal.txt #spn #supernatural #spn fandom #fandom critical #destiel #dean winchester #castiel #domestic destiel #jack kline #baby jack #you treat cas like a diet woman and dean like he eats raw liver for breakfast and jack looks like fucking junie b jones for some reason #I hate it here I truly really do and yet I can’t leave because I also love it

[zmediaoutlet]

trying to articulate something here --

I dig the experience of reading meta that is coming from a well-reasoned place but I nevertheless fundamentally disagree with, and I think that comes down to a willingness to sift down and down and down until you come to an essential Thing about the text-genre-intent-characterization-whathaveyou. Like -- I can see how you got there, but wait, you didn't consider [xyz].

Top of mind example: Dean's masculine because he's trying to act like John. On the surface -- absolutely! He's trying very hard to mimic Dad because his universe centers around god Dad. He's also often operating in a world of trying to do what Dad would want, and making assumptions of his own about what those wants would be, which is a slightly different operating structure.

...But. What's actually driving that? Is it dad qua dad? Or is it -- Dean is essentially loyal-obedient-conformist? Is it that, in the cultural context of growing up in the '80s-'90s with a father who grew up in the '60s-'70s, this is what being a certain kind of man meant and so it is essential to lock into those tropes and characteristics?

We look to how Dean acted like a certain kind of boy when he was an 18 year old and then a 26 year old; we look to how that is updated by the time he's 40, and operating under what is the correct kind of man to be in 2020 vs 2005 (use of language, acceptable levels of nerdiness, fashion sense, etc). From there we can look to how he's not being John, he's being... a normie, more or less. And bless his heart for it. He just wants to Fit. If he were sticking with Acting Like Dad, he wouldn't cheerfully cosplay through a Panthro case, you know? So what's actually driving the behavior, when you look to the heart of it?

So then, if Dean were Deanna--

You can extrapolate. And this stuff is outside the text -- you have to decide What Dad Would Want from a girl-child (given cultural context and norms, given how the young version of John was characterized, given how John and Mary might have operated when they were 'safe' for those first 5 years, given how John might have then shifted his expectations and needs for his kids upon entering the hunting life), and then whether What Dad Would Want fits against a fairly normal conformist presentation (in the way that Dean is intensely normal, if a little wrong-side-of-the-tracks), or if John flips the script and for some reason decides that his kid should not fit in and have what's actually a much harder time, for a traditional gender presentation in the culture they live in, etc.

All of this boiling down to: what matters most in the meta consideration? What's key for characterization and universe structure? Does it actually matter? --no, not at all. But it's very fun to tease apart.

#spn #spn meta #really meta on meta #this really took me on a journey this morning #the layers and layers and layers you can go down #like the truly MOST essential element of sam and dean #is that sam is rebellious and dean is loyal/conformist #it is essential to their characters #much like sam being an optimist and dean being a pessimist is #and these things ebb and flow over time #but there's an essential kernel in each of them where it remains true #so what does that mean for every au? #that's where it's fun!! #idk i'm just feeling frothy about analysis this morning #i saw a different fandom actually having a good take for once #and i'm like 'what!!! really? joy!' #so i guess this is me feeling optimistic about meta. also for once lol

[fuckspn]

yknow what in retrospect i'm kind of glad the "i love you" got cut from goodbye stranger simply because if they'd included a canon love confession on top of all the blatant romantic subtext of season 8 and then gone "lol they're just friends destiel isn't real you freaks" i would have blown up the earth

#like think about it. really think back to 2013 spnblr. picture it in your mind's eye. now consider this: #season 8 is arguably THE most romantic season and truly does feel like it's building towards canon destiel #if they'd thrown in an i love you we all would have assumed this meant destiel was canon because 2+2=4 #and then the producers would have gone on twitter and called us yaoi brained idiots #it would have been a fucking nightmare every con would be a bloodbath #imagine the energy of the 2021 spn fandom combined with the sheer numbers of the 2013 spn fandom #they'd have to cancel the fucking show for the safety of everyone involved. enjoy witness protection singer

[obi-kenobitch]

i know i’m a SW blog now but i will never forget my roots so—

Happy Mishapocalypse 10 Year Anniversary!!!

#staring at the old tumblr dashboard fucking scares me #like a bolt of nostalgia right to the gut #and not the good kind #mishapocalypse #mishapocalypse 10 year #resurgence of the mishapocalypse!! #i’m joking the SPN fandom truly needs their time to rest

[homoqueerjewhobbit]

Look, "comedumpster" just looks wrong. Even if you spell it "come" the rest of the time (which is incorrect), please write "cumdumpster" when you're writing about cumdumpsters. And you can never write about cumdumpsters too much.

#I've given in to ao3 at last #It has so many useful features #But like... I'll find precisely the smut I'm looking for then I just have to pretend it's not destiel. Which is so difficult. #I truly don't understand it. #You'd think I would by now but like #Anyway I'd rather suffer thru knowing why the characters are named Jensen&Jared than not have all the really fucked up smut I cld ever want #It's just always spn. It is. Also shoutout to anyone in the Fandom who can keep track of 15 years of interchangeable spn brunettes #post o' mine #I literally forgot what the actual post was about lol #Spelling #That's right

[ghostdrinkssoup]

currently watching a destiel compilation to educate myself because I literally know nothing about them other than the mass trauma that ship induced on the population and I can’t stop saying what?! out loud at every other scene because there’s no way these are real scenes and that this is real dialogue what do you MEAN you all suffered fifteen seasons of queerbaiting to THIS DEGREE ??

#not the other characters calling them each other’s boyfriend excuse me ?? #and the living in my ass joke ?? #and the parallels ?? not dean asking cas what he’s going to do on his last night on earth ?? which is apparently his best line ?? #that he uses with women ???? #sam calling their ship name casdean ?? in the show ???? #also dean’s voice is weirdly deep idk why it’s making me giggle like he’s got a silly voice to me LMAOOO #but anyway this is Crazy I said it earlier but I’m sorry for what happened to u spn fandom that’s truly horrifying #supernatural #destiel #ghost speaks

[cas-poisoning]

The 2020-2021 Supernatural fandom was so fun

#honestly rivals the superwholock era #spn #supernatural #like I know supernatural’s ‘peak’ was in the early-mid 2010s but truly early 20s spn fandom was insane #it needs to go down in internet history books

[laurelwinchester]

spn stans are so terrified of women existing within the world of the show that they will literally rewrite canon to say "dean never truly loved any woman" or they will say absolutely absurd shit like "jensen ackles just doesn't have chemistry with women." and yet they still insist that they're not at all misogynistic or biphobic.

#i do realize that i have written this same rant about five hundred billion times but like. how does it keep getting worse???? #aren't new generations supposed to be better? and yet with every new wave the misogyny seems to run even deeper #yeah i have A LOT of thoughts about this new popular 'dean wasn't actually bisexual he was gay' headcanon #y'all have so many internalized issues that you need to work on #but you won't because you've convinced yourselves that you're the solution and not the problem #when in reality you're just the same old problem dressed up in brand new shitty justifications #and the thing is....supernatural is fiction yes but this line of thinking definitely impacts real life #and that's how you end up with outwardly progressive people spouting conservative bullshit and pretending it's what being truly woke is #the poison drips through folks the poison drips through #spn fandom discourse #supernatural #dean winchester #jensen ackles

[orionsangel86]

Sigh.

I already have too many hyperfixations. Too many.

I just KNOW the MINUTE I watch the new Interview with a Vampire show I'm gonna be obsessed and I cant. Do. That. To. Myself. Again.

WHY IS 2022 SUCH A GOOD YEAR FOR FANDOM SHOWS AND GAY SHIT??

WE USED TO HAVE NOTHING BUT THE SCRAPS THAT SUPERNATURAL THREW AT US WHO SOLD THEIR SOUL FOR THIS?

#I'm not actually complaining #i am so amazed at the FEAST of good fandom shows this year #and next year is looking even better #what with GO2 #OFMD2 #WWDITS5 #god its like getting showered with awesome content after an actual decade of crap #sorry but spn sherlock and even doctor who just had NOTHING on what we got right now #we are truly blessed #but my brain can only focus on one thing at a time and im already overwhelmed!

[ardentpoop]

you might be tempted to (re)watch the cw’s supernatural starring jared padalecki and jensen ackles aired from 2005 to 2020

but watch out !

#half the time I’m like everyone I know needs to experience this #the other half I’m like no. no don’t go in there. don’t do it you won’t like what you’ll find #who would I be if spn wasn’t my first experience with fandom I truly couldn’t tell you

[soullessjack]

something something babyjack something something infantilization that people are strangely okay with whatever my head hurts

#cal.txt #spn #supernatural #rip to my saw followers (sawllowers if you will) who have no idea what this is about #its best if you don’t know acrually #jack kline #autistic jack kline #baby jack #baby jack au #spn fandom #spn family #cw ableism #sort of not really it’s under the sauce #like sorry it’s just insane to me that the only ppl who can realize that constantly turning an autistic adult into a baby is wrong #is the goddamn proshippers. how have we stooped that low. #why is that who I have in my corner #sick sad world truly #whatever I’m tired

[johndonneswife]

speaking of spn. i have been soooo sad for years bc i deleted my old tumblr and that’s where i met ayesha (tragic) 😓 and i have not been able to get into the email account i made specifically for that tumblr - forgot my password, didn’t have any security questions or my phone number or another email linked to it - anyway, google was just like ‘lol make another email! it’s free!’ and i was so annoyed about it. for years. but i woke up at like 3 am the other night and suddenly remembered my password!!!? and i had email notifs on for everything so i literally have every message ayesha ever sent me and every time she replied to one of my old posts saved now 🫂 and i have the first message she ever sent me!!! we also met a long time ago before tumblr even had DMs ok like you don’t understand

#ayesha when i told her: why does that matter when i have most stuff on my blog anyway lol #becauseeeee the ask box messages!!! the responses to my text posts!!! a #the ask message ayesha sent me on my 22nd bday was so cute #and her pfp at the time was a louis pic #i had no fucking idea who that was in 2015 ok 😭 but it’s even cuter to me now #but also i’m mortified by how embarrassing i used to be bye #i was literally drunk blogging about spn like 5 nights a week guys like i would just get blackout drunk and go blog… #it was truly my favorite thing to do in the entire world? take 8 shots and blog about spn? WHY #text #this one email i found where ayesha said her top 3 fandoms were shameless ONE DIRECTION and supernatural lolol #i think i drunk hate-blogged about s.e. hinton more than once. i have so many messages about her specifically lmao…

[jackdanielsxorangejuice]

@galladrabbles time again! Thank you @chicanomick for this week's prompt: "I'd rather have you, cursed or not."

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This depressive episode isn't as bad as they've been, but Ian can still feel the gloom in his thoughts, the tiredness in his body. He apologises to Mickey again. The tiny voice in his head keeps whispering you're a burden! Mickey would be better off with anyone else!

"None of that shit", Mickey orders. "You know I'd rather have you, cursed or not."

Ian's heart fills with gratitude and fondness for his husband, but after a minute something clicks in his brain. A genuine laugh escapes his lips.

"Did you just quote fucking Supernatural to me? That's so lame, Mick!"

*

Edit// I want to emphasise that I don't think this quote & prompt are in any way lame!<3

#mickey's sole mission in life is to be surprisingly romantic and to make ian smile #and yes they definitely binged all 15 seasons of spn together #also i love it when my fandoms collide like this #galladrabbles #by yours truly

[minhoinator]

I’ve had my SHINee discography (group + solos) playlist on shuffle on and off all day and it’s cracking me up ngl….just had Lucifer playing and then immediately after that it started playing If You Love Her akfjskddj the whiplash of their discography is so funny sometimes

#and right after that (so rn) it’s Lock You Down sjdjsjdjd #they truly have something for everything #they’re like the running joke in the spn fandom where you had a gif for any and every situation

[supersapphical]

here's the thing. destiel aus are my jam. you try to give me any other au and i will throw it back in your face.

#i don't know why this is #i read a truly ridiculous amount of destiel aus #but i have no interest in any au in any other fandom (small exemption for xena uberfic) #and i don't jump to aus in spn if its any other pairing! #i prefer canonverse for sapphicnatural/midam/any sam pairing #NO idea why that is but this is what my brain has decided it likes #canonverse for literally everything unless its destiel than its aus almost 24/7