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genderkoolaid · 1 year

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i saw u used the term "female nationalism" in the tags of a post u just rbed. would u mind explaining that term a bit more?? i think i understand the gist from context but i wasn't able to find much by looking it up

I recommend reading this post because this is where this concept really sunk in for me. Essentially: TERFism functions similarly to white nationalism & other forms of nationalism, but for women/"females":

"Women are a folk (as in volk), a people. Membership in this folk is defined partly by biology (blood), and partly by a culture, a network of social connections, and a historical experience that profoundly shapes members of the folk (soil, which in original Romantic nationalism meant homeland - think of that thing in Dune where the Fremen are the way they are because that’s what Arrakis has shaped them into)."

This really puts into perspective the way TERFs act like womanhood is something that is threatened not only with destruction but corruption, and needs to be protected and kept pure from invaders; its the same core functions as anti-immigrant and anti-miscegenation nationalism. That's why there is so much discourse about what lesbians are and who gets to be one and other people "stealing lesbian culture" and invading lesbian spaces; its about gender purity. And its enticing in the same way as other forms of nationalism: it provides a sense of intrinsic belonging and community, a sense of justified anger, a place in something greater. And transmasculinity serves as a threat to both racial nationalism ("destroying" womanhood by rejecting straight motherhood) and female nationalism ("destroying" womanhood by rejecting womanhood)

#m.#ask box #transandrophpbia

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rjalker · 2 years

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"trans men and nonbinary people aren't allowed to have words to describe the specific oppression they face, because trans women don't oppress them!!!"

well I hate to fucking break it to you but the term "transmisogyny" literally does not fucking mean "trans men and nonbinary people oppress trans women" it's literally fucking talking about how **cis people of all genders** react to and treat trans women in particular, punishing them for not being feminine enough, but then acting like when they are feminine, that it's all fake and performative.

The book it's from is also literally exorsexist as fucking hell and racist, (She fucking insists that the white western gender binary is only so prevalant **because it's right** and not because of the fucking systemic genocide and colonization white people have inflicted on other cultues!!! no, no, it's definitely because Everyone is either inherently male or female because their brain is gendered and nonbinary people are just actually binary trans people who are in denial about it so they can be cooler than trans women) and insists one moment that trans men are priveledged because they're seen as women, and then the next starts insisting that they never have trouble passing as cis men and despite the author's claims that she's only talking about her personal experiences, she also literally just pretends her experiences are fucking universal.

But okay. Sure. You can just say you don't give a shit about other trans people and think the oppression we face doesn't exist. You don't need to hide behind protecting trans women as your excuse. It doesn't fucking work. Transmisogyny literally does not fucking mean "trans men and nonbinary people oppress trans women"

Life is not a fucking game where literally all the negative status effects get pointed at trans women and everyone else gets the positive effects. That is literally not how this works and NOT EVEN what fucking Julia Serranno was saying when she coined the fucking term transmisogyny.

And even if that was what she was saying, it wouldn't fucking matter, because she literally does nothing but downplay and ignore all the oppression trans men and nonbinary people face, and fucking says nonbinary people only identify that way so they can feel superior to trans women specifically, oh and also they aren't actually nonbinary at all, they just don't want to admit they're binary trans, because then they wouldn't look cool enough -.-

so like, let me get this straight:

trans men get harassed en masse because they want to create a term to talk about the specific forms of oppression they face. According to some trans women, trans men talking about the oppression they face means they're speaking over trans women, despite trans women not having anything at all to do with trans men being oppressed by cis people.

nonbinary people talk about the ways we are oppressed that binary trans people don't face, and again, specific kinds of trans women leap to accuse us of speaking over trans women, acting like us saying "binary trans people have priveledges we don't" means that we're saying trans women oppress nonbinary people, even though trans women have nothing to do with nonbinary people being oppressed by cis people.

Literally just the other day I saw a post that said "afabs need to stop pretending they're uniquely oppressed for having a pussy".

so maybe, just maybe, the problem here is not trans men and nonbinary people speaking over trans women, on issues that have literally nothing to do with trans women.

Maybe the problem is people think being trans makes it perfectly fine for them to be misogynists, and certain trans women think that the forms of oppression they face (even when they're white, and able-bodied, neurotypical, and perisex, and well off financialy) are the most severe forms of oppression in existance, and that means they can do and say whatever horrible, bigoted shit they want, and it's okay, because they're oppressed, so they can't do anything wrong.

And these certain trans women, who think being oppressed in one way means they're allowed to be a bigot in every other way, now have a vested interest in making sure no one can "out compete" them in being oppressed, because they think other people treat their oppression as a shield to be a bigot the way they do. So any time other people talk about the ways in which they are oppressed, that are different from the way this person is oppressed, then that must, of course, be an attack on them, because if other people say they're oppressed by the same systems, just in different ways, then suddenly they can't use that oppression as an excuse to be a horrible bigoted person -.-

If you see trans men and nonbinary people talking about the specific ways that cis people and our cis-rewarding society oppress them, and you insist that they be silent and "listen to trans women", instead of talking about their own problems, you are literally just a bigot.

And if you say shit like "afabs think they're oppressed for having pussys" you are a fucking misogynist.

No, trans men and nonbinary people do not need to listen to trans women on topics that only affect trans men and nonbinary people. Trans women are not telepathic. Trans women do not get to remember all their past fucking lives. Trans women's experiences with misogyny and transphobia are not fucking universal. That's kinda the entire fucking point of having the term "transmisogyny" - specifically that the things it describes do not apply to everyone.

But certain trans women think that it means they're now part of an exclusive club of "the only people really impacted by transphobia and misogyny in any way worth discussing or calling out", and if anyone else dares to talk about the ways they're oppressed by transphobic and misogynistic cis people, then they take that as a personal attack on their victimhood, which they use as a shield for all their heinous behavior.

If you think the statement "afabs aren't oppressed for having pussys" is perfectly normal and fine and sound and totally a rational argument, then I don't think you have any concept of what misogyny is.

If you, like a person with morals, think that statement is fucking evil and misogynistic as fucking hell, then you do in fact have a responsability to call people out when they say shit like that, and support nonbinary people and trans men when they talk about the ways in which our society oppresses them.

How is trans women using the way they're oppressed as a shield to be a bigot any better than cis white queer people using their queerness as a shield to be a bigot? Or autistic people using their autism as a shield to be a bigot?? I'll give you a hint: it's not.

TLDfuckingR: Julia Serrano is exorsexist and lies about what trans men and nonbinary people experience. Nonbinary people and trans men deserve to have words to describe the specific intersections of misogyny and transphobia they face, and other trans people talking about the ways in which they're oppressed does not oppress trans women or demonize them, because cis people are the ones who systemically oppress trans people, not other trans people, and it's only a small but vocal number of trans women who are misogynists, and they need to be called out for their bigotry.

#I guess I'm going to spend the rest of my fucking life enraged by this shit #discussion of exorsexism #discussion of transphobia #discussion of mispergeny #discussion of misogyny #discussion of transandrophobia #discussion of treiphobia #exorsexism #transphobia #mispergeny #misogyny #transandrophobia #treiphobia #okay I am just using ''treiphobia'' from now on because aPPARENTLY I cann't fucking spell the word ''transandrophpbia'#it took like twenety fucking tries #''the creator of that word is a bigot'' yeah well so the fuck is the creator of the word transmisogyny. are you gonna stop using that or #tell people they can't use that????? no???? cool then shut the absolute fuck up actually.#I paid money for this book and it's exorsexist and lies about trans men and it's literally just a white binary trans woman deciding that #her experience is universal 🤢#including by being racist as shit by pretending that the white western gender binary is only so prevalant #because it's the right one. Like saying Christianity only spread so far because people genuinely enjoyed it #and not beause people were literally slaughtered for not being christian...#it's so fucking absurdly wrong.#she is literally using her experiences and pretending they're universal #genitals mention #Rjalker reads Whipping Girl #Whipping Girl #Whipping girl exorsexist #Julia Serano #transandromisia

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twoheadedlesbian · 11 months

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of course

#it’s always the misandry/transandrophpbia/antimasculine truthers 💔

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a-polite-melody · 2 months

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On tumblr lately:

A sexually harassing copypasta goes around to trans women/fems and suddenly all trans men/mascs are the transmisogynists responsible for this.

When a similar harassing copypasta went around to trans men/mascs, people refused to care because we’re “transandrophobia truthers” anyway and deserve it. Or, at very least, if the issue mattered even slightly at all, all trans women/fems weren’t to blame.

A handful of posts from trans men/mascs about how trans men and women shouldn’t be fighting and “should be fucking/making out” get made. All trans men/mascs are being held responsible for this, and any discussion of transandrophpbia should be dismissed even harder as a result.

But when there were trans men/mascs and trans women/fems against transandrophobia saying THE SAME THINGS in posts as a way to dismiss transandrophobia? No, that’s a good thing. Dismissing trans men/mascs as sex objects is fine, but if they make the same posts to dismiss our dismissal they’re wrong for treating trans women/fems like sex objects.

I’m not seeing the supposed “extra grace” that gets afforded to trans men/mascs going on here.

#my post #transandrophobia #to be clear: this is about a phenomenon in tumblr queer spaces #this is not really relevant beyond that scope #but considering tumblr is where we are and where I’m doing my talking #that’s what I’m making a post about

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zo1nkss · 8 months

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I find it fucking HILARIOUS that every single person who has ever told me "transandrophobia is just transmysoginy" has backed it by claiming the coiner of the word is a "white TME who just thinks trans women are opressing us"

Hey folks I LITERALLY FOLLOW HIM.

1. He's. Not. White.

2. Nothing about transandrophobia and the people who actually coined the term has ANYTHING to do with trans women opressing us. At. All. If you took the time to actually READ the thoery you're dissmissing without a second thought, maybe you would understand that. But no. You read three reactionary posts ABOUT IT and decide you know what you're talking about.

3. Every single one of them HAS BEEN WHITE AND "TME" so. White TMEs calling non-white people "white tmes" to invalidate their perspective. Color me completely fucking unsurprised.

4. Everything involved in the theory of transandrophobia is about transmasc people being oppressed by THE PATRIARCHY. By OTHER MEN. But it doesn't serve white reactionary leftists to actually look into the real history of a term, because as long as thethey can say "men aren't opressed" without a single deeper consideration for what that means, they don't care.

I'm sick and tired of this. If ur white don't talk to me about how much transandrophpbia is "a problem" bc I'm going to assume u have no idea what ur talking about and move on. I have only ever been fed absolute bullshit by the white ppl trying to steer me, a whole ass Native, away from terminology that has completely opened my world view to a deep suffering I had been denying in myself for decades.

If you're not willing to actually learn about the ideologies you want to tell ME not to subscribe to, save your breath because I'm not listening.

#this happens too often for me to ignore atp #I will no longer be taking “white tme” opinions on transandrophobia thanks

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