I like hearing u guys'thoughts so
Havoc, whats the reasoning behind the firebrand songs u just handed us?
EEEEE IM SO EXCITED YOU ASKED ANON!! This is gonna be a bit long. I can do this with legit almost any Slenderverse protag. -Mod Havoc
1. Hell's Comin' With Me by Poor Man's Poison just reads to me like a Firebrand song. The song starts with a man who was kicked from a village due to their leader, (with this song likely a rich corp) he's been beaten and bloody and he swears that he's going to come back and burn down the village.
It's not a threat it's a fucking promise that they won't get away with what their doing. The drifter does in fact come back and he burns down the village for their mistreatment of him and others. Like how Firebrand talks about defeating slenderman for everyone and himself.
Theres a line specifically that goes, I am the righteous hand of God. And I'm the devil that your forgot. It just sounds like something he'd say when he finally get that upper hand he needs.
2. & by Tally Hall. This song is in its purest form about opposites. It lists opposites through the entire song, and I think it's a Firebrand song because I think he would like the song in general. There's also this underlying plot of the song about taking the black and white and resting in the middle of it and I think that just fits him.
The line in this song that goes, Came back again to make it clear that he never said it would meet demand. Shame on a martyr claiming friends from either perspective of & This just fits him to me.
The way the song talks about opposites is very much the way he would talk to Noah about things. Confusing and cryptic.
3. Laplace's Angel (Hurt People? Hurt People!) by Will Wood is another song about black and white and good and evil. Its about how Will Woods made bad choices, but the bad things he did were due to the circumstances he was put into. He made those choices because he felt there was no other choice to make. So could he be considered evil for the bad choices he made if he made them out of circumstance.
The line, Could you take a look at me? Am I bad, am I bad, am I bad, am I really that bad? Now we're singin' ooooh Whatever you think of me If you were in my shoes You'd walk the same damn mile I do (Oh, oh right) is part of the reason I see this as a Firebrand song. Its sort of like he's explaining to someone what he's done and why. Like he would ask the person if you were put in this problem you wouldn't you do the same thing I did?
Is there good and evil when you're put in a bad situation to begin with really in general fits tribetwelve as a whole for me as well.
4. Boss by The Correspondents is about someone whos sick of a powerful person controlling him and the people around him. Its a conversation held between the man and the powerful person in which the man insults him and tells him that the tides will be changing because him and others are planning an uprising.
The line, I can feel the tide and it's turning (Keep it turning, keep it turning) You're already wading waist deep And while you think you're still leading, we're winning Steal the tide that you're so desperate to keep its something that would be said to someone like The Observer or Slenderman himself. Because hes messing with the timeline so much and changing things to make them win.
5. Bottom of the River by Delta Rae is about breaking away from either a powerful god or being. (This is one of the many meanings of the song.) It details ways in which this powerful gods rituals are dangerous, like letting someone drown.
The line, Hold my hand Ooh, baby, it's a long way down to the bottom of the river Hold my hand Ooh, baby, it's a long way down, a long way down shows hardships still to come. Like the singer is talking to the listener about breaking away and the damages being done. It reminds me of how Firebrand is with Noah.
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The sexualisation of Mikoto, stalking, and how the fandom is repeating this.
CW: Stalking, sexual harassment, fanservice, murder
I’ve been thinking a lot about Double’s thumbnail, and especially the stalking theory. And if you think about it a lot basically everything fits up and that his victim was likely his stalker. Although a lot about what happened I never really have seen discussion on the why or how it’s been happening, so I just want to give my thoughts and theories on this all before Double.
The fanservice in MeMe:
The fanservice in MeMe has always felt really off to me. Milgram never has any fanservice-y stuff, minus Yuno in Tear Drop, but it’s only just her revealing outfit and nothing to do with strange camera angles or whatnot, and it’s very important to her character. For me and what I’ve think the consensus in the fandom has been, is it’s nothing more than that. That the fanservice is only there to appeal to thirsty fans or whatever. But I’ve been thinking a lot, and with the music videos extracted from prisoners minds, everything has a meaning in one way or the other. So for the creators to just throw a bunch of fanservice scenes in MeMe with no meaning apart from just plain fanservice feels really counter intuitive to the whole point of the MVs. And especially how this has never happened before makes it really strange to me. And with this idea in mind and going back to the stalking theory I mentioned earlier, I think it’s disgustingly clear what has happened to Mikoto.
Mikoto being watched:
I think what’s going on is that Mikoto was stalked for sexual reasons. The constant scenes of him in embarrassing moments (taking of his shirt, having a shower, having a bath) is what the stalker has been seeing and this subconsciously put itself into MeMe from Mikoto’s POV. Camera imagery in MeMe is very prevalent, from at the beginning him grabbing the camera and at the end him picking it up and punching it. I think this is supposed to represent him realising he’s being stalked and trying to hunt down who’s been doing it, and the destruction of the camera at the end to represent him killing the person.
Also around the middle of the song, we see security cam footage of him entering his apartment and crying on his couch, with Mikoto hyperventilating and gasping in the background. I feel like with everything I’ve said before this scene makes it extremely clear, that someone put up a bunch of camera around his house to catch him in those moments, if we’re taking that scene literally.
Then it cuts to him laughing at the screen in darkness, and the aforementioned fanservice scene right after this sequence of events really makes things scary to what was happening in his house. And also like I said before about the hyperventilating during this scene. I could mean multiple things such as him having a panic attack, being actually attacked or worse.
And the imagery of being watched doesn’t stop at just the camera stuff. At the beginning of MeMe in the scene at the train station, the camera moves around from behind a wall to reveal Mikoto sitting there holding a bat, like someone is watching him directly. To further back this up there’s a vignette around the edge of the camera and wee see it blink, like from a POV shot. And after the blink Mikoto disappears, and then we see him outside swinging a bat at the POV (just want to note this is outside and is probably in a different place than the train station, but I don’t know what to make of that right now, and how also the vignette I pointed out before isn’t present here). Then it cuts back to the scene in the train station, now with Mikoto holding a bat and walking towards someone on the ground, attacking them. Noticeably the vignette is still here in this scene, so the person Mikoto was attacking likely wasn’t his stalker, perhaps he just thought they were.
Wait I suddenly just got a theory from this. I just mentioned how the vignette in the scene I just mentioned likely means that Mikoto attacked someone else and the stalker was watching on. Me and basically everyone else has assumed that guy was his victim, but then what about the stalker? I’ve always strongly believed that Mikoto only killed one person but now I’m just starting to doubt that. If MeMe is to be taken in chronological order in this part, he probably killed that guy then realised that he was continuing being stalked. And as I said at the beginning of my analysis I mentioned that Mikoto punching the camera at the end could be representative of him killing the stalker and ending it (also to mention he gets the death card right before hand). And I didn’t think of it when I wrote that but what if he did actually kill multiple people in an attempt to kill his stalker. Hmm.
And going back to what I was talking about before, he probably entered his apartment afterwards and switched to Bluekoto after it was assumed everything was safe now. (Just saying I’m using Mikoto interchangeably to refer to all of the alters as it’s not clear who’s doing what, but this takes the theory of that blue was the murderer and not the other/s into account, because there’s a part of me that feels it wasn’t him attacking those people as red/green has a strong desire to protect blue and hide him from the traumatic events taking place).
I feel like I’ve gone way off track with what I’ve been saying here because while writing this I just keep noticing more and more stuff to write down and I just thought of someone thing again.
Every time it appears that Mikoto killed someone (the train scene, the garbage scene although the bag doesn’t look like a human body just saying), it cuts to a fanservice-y scene right after, maybe implying that the person he killed wasn’t the stalker, and he’s still being watched afterwards. Although this makes the bath scene kinda out of place as it doesn’t take place after a murder I think, and someone mentioned it was before the shower scene which kinda debunks this but I just wanted to mention this because why not.
Mikoto’s mindscape in MeMe:
Another thing I’ve been thinking about a lot is every character’s “mindscapes” as I call them. Yuno has an empty pink void with a tower, Fuuta has a fantasy land, Mahiru has a room inside a birdcage ect. And all of these places represent an aspect of their characters. Yuno’s representing her feelings of emptiness, Fuuta feeling that everything he’s doing is for justice and that he’s a cool hero, Mahiru being trapped and sheltered in an ideal concept of love and stuff like that. I’m going to make a theory on this in the future as it’s very interesting to me but Mikoto’s mindscape is always something that’s confused me.
Mikoto’s mindscape is a parallel of his apartment. Down to the couches, tables and everything, but lacking the bookcase and tv being buried in the water for whatever reason.
(Also I just noticed but there’s a blue thing behind the couch that Mikoto laid his head down on before which could be a bed or whatever. But in the mindscape and this other shot we don’t see it???)
(Actually maybe we do if we squint, oh well)
Okay, okay back to what I was actually going to say. The furniture from the apartment appearing in the mindscape makes sense, but what about everything else? The broken, tiled walls, the mirror, how everything is covered in a thin layer of water, the clear blue sky. There’s a bunch of this stuff I could analyse in my future post about mindscapes but I’ll just say the stuff that relates to what I was talking about earlier. But to say it right now, I think all that other stuff is supposed to be the bathroom we see him in.
Notice here the tiles are exactly the same, and we even see the same mirror he looks at himself in, in real life then Mikoto in the mindscape.
Also to point out how the Mikoto we see looking into the mirror here is wearing a sleeve and likely in the mindscape and as someone mentioned, since the ahoge is backwards it’s likely a reflection. Although it’s strange that it has the same green filter both ways.
After this we see bluekoto (presumably) fall backwards into the water. And another strange thing I noticed is that this mirror is behind the couch, but when he falls down the couch is tipped over.
Don’t know what it make of this but again I’m just constantly pointing stuff out I notice as writing this.
So basically I think the mindscape is a mix of the living room and the bathroom. The furniture from the living room and the water, mirror and tiles from the bathroom. But this makes things confusing, why the bathroom? Why would Mikoto project imagery of his bathroom into his own mindscape? This brings me to what I was saying before. The walls in the mindscape are completely collapsed, providing no closure or privacy to this “room”. The sky is also out, so his mindscape feels very exposed. And what I said earlier about my staking theory. It’s likely that someone placed cameras up in/around his bathroom to record him naked, a complete breach of privacy and that’s why this mindscape is so exposed and has elements from there. Even in this world that he created, he still doesn’t feel safe at all.
The audience and the repeating of Mikoto’s trauma:
Basically to sum it up from what I’ve said. Mikoto was being stalked and sexualised by someone. Cameras were placed up around his house to record him in embarrassing situations and he figured out, and attempted to kill the stalker.
But here’s one thing, that story we likely see in MeMe is happening again. But with the audience.
When MeMe came out everyone went ballistic. Lots of people were very surprised in how violent it was, how compared to the calm preview we saw it instantly started off with death metal and destroyed every idea we had about him, and kept switching between being calm and violent. But what I want to walk about right now is the reaction to the fanservice.
As we all know, when MeMe released a horde of thirsty tiktokers came over and started absolutely obsessing over Mikoto and all the fanservice scenes we see. Things got so out of control that people tried to vote him innocent just because he was hot and even jackalope bought this up. But thinking about this, it’s getting dangerously close to what I think happened in his story. Being filmed in embarrassing moments without consent, and having people obsess and sexualise you for that. The music videos are representative of the prisoner’s minds, and in no way would have Mikoto known how he was shown naked and shirtless for a huge chunk of MeMe. Same as him being stalked and recorded in his story if I’m right.
The fandom here is doing exactly what his perpetrator did to him down to a T. It’s almost like what happened with Amane when people tried to reverse her brainwashing by showing her tough love by not forgiving her, exactly like what the cult did to her to try and make her obey them more. This thing is happening to Mikoto as well as Amane and repeating their traumas. And also to mention how Mikoto has DID which is a result of repeated childhood abuse so it’s likely this has been happening to him alot and just can’t escape from this reality. And for the alters to take in all the trauma and leave the host blissfully unaware of everything’s that’s happening.
This brings into account how the guilty prisoners can hear the voices of the audience judging them. Fuuta completely broke down as he was constantly harassed with strange voices judging him and denying his actions. And he’s mentioned a lot of times how he can’t stand this feeling of being watched and this manifests through the eyes in Backdraft. And with Mikoto from everything I’ve been saying before it’s very likely he has trauma from this. And now feeling like he’s being watched and hearing the voices of the audience, who we know constantly sexualises him. It’s likely he’ll have to relive his trauma once again that he thought he finally escaped…
Conclusion / TL;DR
To sum this whole theory up I believe that fanservice in MeMe actually has importance besides just fanservice. And it’s likely Mikoto was being stalked by someone and recorded in those situations, and he ended up hunting the person down and killing them. And now because of the audience’s constant thirsting over him and how the guilty prisoners can hear everything we say about them, Mikoto will have to relive his suffering again.
Other things I’d like to briefly mention but didn’t have any space to put in, Is how since Mikoto rides a bike instead of a train to work as he said but we see lots of train imagery. And I think what happened is that he was probably being harassed on the train and switched to going to work alone. And the thumbnail in Double we see him looking depressed, on a train surrounded by destroyed mannequins.
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moxy do u have any william / general pd headcanons to share . totally ok if not ijust like ur thoughts on them
i have a few :DD
my main William hc is mostly with his eyes i feel so smart for it even though it’s really basic
i imagine his vision is super messed up, mostly from him looking at screens a lot from when Dakota left and he was trying to find Ashe. Though he forgets to wear glasses (I forget to draw them) which will bite him back in the near future probably
I also like to add a few moles on his skin here and there :3 ive been trying to get more consistent with it because i (yet again) often forget to add it
I also think Williams bones would constantly dislocate when his body was decaying and he would have to relocate them often. Though it happens less after the heart transfer, he still has to deal with it. Also he’s transmasc like you wouldn’t believe
Last thing for him is that he was definitely a poser in s1. no goth or punk swag in the slightest. though i think he eventually branches out his interests during the time between s1 and s2 by being inspired by ashe’s playlists
For Dakota i think he uses a lot of supports for his legs with how often he uses them. if I wanted to be self indulgent I’d say he uses the ones that I usually use for my knees but I think he uses a variety.
Ashe rhythm game player :D transfem too as always
Vyncents had a really strange since of gender and its only gotten weirder when he ever since he arrived at prime. he also plays through all of his video game collection with ashe while she’s recovering from the finale :]]
I don’t have many other headcanons from the top of my head :[ but thanks for asking it’s a lot of fun to answer these :D
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What are your thoughts on the new season of stranger things? 👀👀 jingyi
okay so ngl i haven't seen past the second episode of s3 lol
granted, the reason i never watched past that was because of all the pointless relationship drama and like i was already constantly fifth wheeling in my house, so i just. couldn't do it.
but. i do know who dies, though, and tbh even tho i don't know much, i feel like it was pointless? but then again, i feel like stranger things has a bad case of main character syndrome where they feel like mike and el have to be the center of everything and then they do the steve stuff for fanservice. i mean, will is always a plot device and i feel like doesn't have much character because we were never allowed to get to know him and lucas got the short end of the stick within the four boys because, at least in s1 and s2, they kept treating him like a side character.
idk i feel like it had the opportunity to be a good show, but they realized how popular the show was and let them think they could do whatever they wanted with the characters. idk, i also just don't like most of the characters because i feel like they aren't really fleshed out and good. like, i like steve and dustin and lucas and i think that nancy and jonathan deserve better.
anyways not to just trash on the show because i know a lot of people like it! i just don't like that they queerbaited and i hate the emphasis they put on romantic relationships, and i think that is one of the biggest downfalls. max and lucas wasn't necessary, el and mike's personalities changed when they got together (imo!), the love triangle was pointless,,, idk maybe i'm just still bitter about feeling like i was trapped in people being in relationships at the time because of my mom and her boyf, my sister and her old boyf (they were literally with their boyfriends at our house constantly and then i couldn't blame hopper for banning mike and el from seeing each other lol i was clapping but that is a personal bias thing and i am willing to admit that lol)
what i'm trying to say is that i've heard good things and i've heard bad things. i do still stand by too much emphasis on romantic relationships and they split characters into groups too much rather than having them all together (that's what it seems like, i could be wrong about this one!!!)
if people disagree with me, that is SO very valid and tbh, i would actually love to hear why you disagree because i'm not caught up and don't really plan on continuing (i also feel like it may be a little too scary for me lol - could be wrong about that one too tho lol but the few episodes i saw in s3 kinda freaked me out lol) and i love having conversations about this kind of stuff! i just don't want anyone to think that i'm just trashing on a show they like because i did truly like s1!
i hope this answered your question lol and i would love to hear your opinions!
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I often see posts about curating your own online experience that make the point, “content creators aren’t your parents.” And, yes, that is absolutely true! And I try not to be like “as a parent,“ but as a parent…
EVEN PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE RESPONSIBLE READING/VIEWING BEHAVIOR. NOT filter everything ahead of time for their kid.
When my kiddo was 5, his pediatrician was asking him the usual Well Child Visit questions (“What are your favorite foods? What do you do to get your body moving? Do you know what to do if you get lost in a public place?” Etc.) and she asked, “What do you do if you see something on TV that scares or upsets you?”
I piped up like, “Oh, he doesn’t watch TV without one of us in the room,” which was true at the time and is still largely true now. She said, “Yes, but that won’t always be the case, so make sure you’re talking to him about what to do if he sees something that upsets him.”
So we started talking to him about that, and the answer is simple: “Turn it off or leave the room, and talk to someone you trust about what you saw and what you’re feeling.”
The answer is NOT “Ask your parents to make sure you never see anything upsetting again,” because that’s just not possible — and ultimately that would be doing the kid a disservice, since sooner or later he’s going to be out in the world where we can’t control what he watches or reads. That doesn’t mean we don’t try to make sure he’s watching/reading age-appropriate stuff, it just means that’s not the only safeguard he has — and that’s a good thing.
So yes, content creators aren’t your parents and aren’t responsible for making sure you never see anything you don’t like — but also, your own parents should have taught you what to do when that happens. So if they didn’t, take it from me, your internet mom:
Turn it off.
Walk away.
Talk to someone you trust about how you’re feeling.
And leave the person who created the thing that upset you alone.
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