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fuckyeahkagepro · 5 years

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“ I thought I saw you smile ” Kagerou Projects’ Hibiya Amamiya, 2k17-2k18 Manga Route 2:

(Commentary moved to under ‘read more’)

official Kagerou Project artist Sidu, 2k18, “so, this is Clearing Eyes’ NEW FORM in v. ‘cute’ merchandise version, also, he has absolutely nothing to do with the guy you just saw above, because that guy’s ‘NOT canon’ and this one is, don’t get too distracted haha ---- what, the colors of his gradient are exactly the same? You don’t say??? It’s totally a coincidental artistic choice you guys, 100 percent coincidental-----”:

^ “there is no such thing as coincidence” Jin, 2k19, Manga Route 2′s ending: this is completely not related to the above but, Ayano may be able to exchange her life to create ‘Retaining Eyes’ [Shintaro’s snake who looks EXACTLY LIKE AYANO (SANS SCARF) and ALSO APPEARS IN THE ANIME DURING SHINTARO’S “DREAMS” AMONG OTHER ROUTES], hhhhhha------

Jin, 2k13, Manga Route 1′s ending, as he begins Manga Route 2′s story, not long after the Outer Science-in-manga-form scene compared above:

“ how about I ask something that Shintaro needs to know? ”

^ ″08:14″, “12:32″ “Lost Time Memory” pv, 2k13:

^ “08:15″, “12:32″ (15) (15)

^ scarf-less Ayano (HIS “SNAKE”):

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^ watch from: 2:46 or the whole thing if you also want to refresh yourself on “Yakitsu[keru]” / Shintaro’s snake / the scarf-less Ayano / EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AFTER, INCLUDING:

Jin, 2k14 and 2k16 guidebooks + his official website since it opened: by the way, the Manga Routes (BOTH OF THEM) are the sequel to the Music Route (‘+extra editions’) and the prequel to the Novel Route, while the anime Route, “Mekakucity Actors”, comes “closest to the latter”! Children Record pv is the “opening theme” while Summertime Record pv is the “ending theme”, both for the project as a whole ! Jin: “Mekakucity Reload” anime which I announced way back on August 15th 2k16? What? W e l l ..... Jin, 2k19: I’ll just casually title the last chapter of the manga “Mekakucity ACTORS” -- too !!! !! They’ll never guess what may be going on here !! haha “also we REALLY REALLY like COMPARISONS AND FORESHADOWING” “even maybe taking inspirations from non-canonical pre-series fan pvs!” “Wannyanpuu, who made it definitely did not become an official artist later on”

#outer science #kagepro: comparisons #kagepro: theories #kagepro: manga route 2 #outer science: comparisons #lost time memory: comparisons #lost time memory #hibiya amamiya #kagerou #clearing eyes #saeru #retaining eyes #ayano tateyama #shintaro kisaragi #('WE DEFINITELY DO NOT LIKE COMPARISONS OR FORESHADOWING YOU GUYS' Jin Sidu and Wannyanpuu all TRY to tell you)#('actually we've been foreshadowing Yakitsukeru since idek maybe 2k12-2k14?????')#('i mean at the very least her IMPORTANCE TO THE PLOT')#('lost time memory is definitely not still important either')#('what? that scene where clearing eyes points a gun at himself and SHINTARO SAVES HIM?')#('and then it leads right into another of Shintaro's dreams which is SUPER IMPORTANT??? YOU DON'T SAY')#('also you're all definitely going to forget manga route 1's ending too')#(AKA JIN SIDU AND WANNYANPUU REALLY LIKE TO CONFUSE YOU)#(AND I HATE IT AAAAAA)#long post #very long post #(I'M SORRY BUT THEORIES LIKE AT THE VERY LEAST THEY SURE LOVE COMPARISONS)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 5 years

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Kagerou Project Comparisons ~ Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Daze fanmade pv [Oct. 29 2011] (*Incomplete ver.) vs. Headphone Actor [Dec. 15 2011] vs. Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Daze fanmade pv [Dec. 17 2011]* *NON-CANONICAL BUT vs. MCA 04, now in HIBIYA’S Daze particularly* [2014] * despite the fact they originally appeared in Headphone Actor, Actor!Takane’s pv * the original Kagerou Daze pv was uploaded by Jin Sept. 30 2011. * the incomplete version of Wannyanpuu’s fanmade pv wasn’t finished yet after the second chorus, the interlude scene with the clocks (and the bird on a wire) being added in the fully complete version (posted days after Headphone Actor pv’s debuted).

However, it appears Jin incorporated the bird on a wire into Hibiya’s Daze particularly regardless in MCA 04, now with

EXTRA OMINOUS BIRDS FOR EXTRA OMINOUS FORESHADOWING OF THE ADDITIONAL TIMELOOPS

* Wannyanpuu would later temporarily join Jin’s team between the 2012-2013 Kagepro fandom era, contributing PVs for Souzou Forest / Imagination Forest (+ the later Kuusou Forest / Fantasy Forest), Kisaragi Attention, and Otsukimi Recital. Before Souzou Forest she collaborated on Konoha no Sekai Jijou’s [“Konoha’s State of the World”] pv with Sidu.

* She also DESIGNED Momo Kisaragi and Mary Kozakura. * Her original short-haired Hiyori was designed long before Jin’s Hiyori, Jin’s Hiyori of which appeared to incorporate parts of Wannyanpuu’s design, sans the the shorter hair.

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fuckyeahkagepro · 5 years

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Kagerou Days (Nico Nico 50 person Chorus ver.) [2011] + Mekakucity Actors 04 [2014] + very brief bits of Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days PV [2011], Children Record [2012], Outer Science [2013], Otsukimi Recital [2013]

Mekakucity Actors #04 amv by me, originally posted not long after MCA #04 first aired (2014 Kagepro fandom era)

IN CASE YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED BY MCA #04′S SEQUENCE OF EVENTS FOR THE “KAGEROU DAZE” SONG PLS COMPARE THESE MCA #04 COMPARISONS SHOTS TO WANNYANPUU’S OLD FANMADE PV [2011] AND YOU’LL HOPEFULLY? UNDERSTAND THE POSSIBLE / POTENTIAL THEMES/CONCEPTS A LOT BETTER Wannyanpuu’s version is technically non-canon but THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF COMPARISONS TO BE HAD OK and WHO KNOWS how much of Wannyanpuu’s original ideas Jin chose to incorporate into the series it’s not like Wannyanpuu designed the short haired Hiyori first you know

FEEL FREE to use this for COMPARISONS / ANALYSIS / THEORIES TOO BC I LOVE KAGEDAZE + ORIGINAL!HIBIYA + HIYORI THEORIES OK

... ... ALSO CAN WE LIKE PLS RECOGNIZE HIBIYA + HIYORI’S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENTS BOTH AS INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERS AND WITH EACH OTHER + OTHERS AND GIVE BOTH OF THEM MORE LOVE / PROTECT THEM BOTH

I’M VERY TIRED WHENEVER I SEE HIYO OR HIBI HATE NEITHER DESERVE IT TY

I MEAN PLS JUST WATCH THE AMV AND/OR REWATCH MCA #04 BC I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ALL PROBABLY JUST HAVEN’T WATCHED MCA 04 OR KAGEROU DAZE’S ORIGINAL PV BY SIDU SINCE 2012-2014 IT’S OK WE CAN FORGET OVER TIME BUT SERIOUSLY

(ALL THAT SAID aha my original amv is below!!)

please open the links on Youtube to expand the video size if preferred! * I did kind of insert some original theories of mine back then that maybe didn’t / won’t / or haven’t become canon yet (for example the Kano scene - that turned out to be Novels Route only - though I actually never thought it was only him acting as the cat anyhow but yeah) and also re: Saeru (Clearing Eyes) but still I TRIED with comparisons overall ok * there was ONE scene I edited where I flipped it to mirror Hiyori during the second verse (second repeat of “I really hate summer”) because it was only animated once but yeah

* the interlude voice-acting of Wannyanpuu’s version was done in the 50 Person Chorus NicoNico version and also isn’t canon BUT it can be counted as Japanese fandom’s interpretations circa 2011

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Lyrics under cut!

On August 15th, 12:30 in the afternoon, The weather was incredibly nice And amidst the sickening rays of the dazzling sun I spoke with you, for I had nothing else to do "Well, y’know, I kind of hate summer", You boldly murmured while petting a cat Ah, you pursued that cat as it ran away from you And what jumped out Was the traffic light that changed to a glaring red Suddenly, a truck came out of nowhere and struck you as you screamed Your scent, now mingled with sprayed blood, choked me In the haze of lies, the haze of heat laughed, "This is all real!" With that, like a cricket’s sound being disturbed, the light blue of summer darkened away I woke up upon my bed to the sound of a ticking clock What time is it now? On August 14th, sometime past 12 in the morning I recalled the sound of an awfully annoying cricket But, y’know, it’s a little strange. Yesterday, in a dream, I saw us walking in this same exact park "Why don’t we go home now?" The second you stepped off the pathway, everyone surrounding us Turned their heads up to the sky and opened their mouths From the sky, down dropped an iron pole That pierced your body straight through The sound of wind-chimes and your ripping screams filled the spaces between the park trees In this unnatural scene, The shimmering heat laughed, "This is the real thing!" As my vision blurred away, I glanced at your profile, and thought I saw you smiling Countless times have had me black out In the laughing heat like this

This cycle has repeated for decade s

I realized that a long time ago

In this kind of clichéd story, There must only be one ending. Beyond this repeating summer day, it has to exist. Suddenly, I pushed you aside and jumped into the street; At that moment, the truck slammed into me Your eyes and my twisted body were like hazy reflections of the blood that sprayed everywhere If that praiseful heat haze laughed, “Serves you right!” again Then this would be what you’d call a normal summer day. But all of that ended today. On August 14th, a girl awoke upon her bed And she said, "I failed this time, too..." as she cradled a single cat.

#kagerou daze #kagerou days #hibiya amamiya #hiyori asahina #hibihiyo #wannyanpuus kagedaze: comparisons #wannyanpuus kagedaze #mca: comparisons #mca 04: comparisons #fuckyeahkagepro posts #fuckyeahkagepro amvs #fuckyeahkagepro tag rambles #fuckyeahkagepro theories #fuckyeahkagepro rambles #mekakucity actors #('WANNYANPUU CONTRIBUTED NOTHING' you cry)#('HIBIYA AND HIYORI ARE BAD CHARACTERS' you cry)#('HIBIYA AND HIYORI ADDED NOTHING TO THE PLOT AND ARE THE LEAST RELEVANT CHARACTERS' you cry)#(ME HOLDING MY HEAD AND WAVING WILDLY AT MCA 04 'SERIOUSLY')#('HIYORI TOTALLY HATED HIBIYA' you cry)#(meanwhile ME 'SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDUP OF CROWS ADDITIONAL POLES IN PARK SIGNPOSTS FROM KNSJ THE SKY TURNING DARKER RED')#(ETC. ETC. ETC. YEAH THOSE WERE THERE REMINDERS even WANNYANPUUS' PV had the crows on the wires)#(.... ANYWAY THAT SAID ahaaaa most of you likely remember this thing BUT IN CASE SINCE THEN and also bc tumblr removed the old one's post ;;

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fuckyeahkagepro · 5 years

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Kagerou Project References / Comparisons ~ black cat vs. WHITE CAT Kagerou [”Heat Haze”] Hibiya Amamiya vs. “Shiro” (“White”) Hiyori / “Shirori” + RED (Kagerou) vs. CYAN BLUE (Shirori) Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Daze Fanmade PV (Video / Info) [*Wannyanpuu later became an official artist for many of the official Kagepro music videos!]

#kagerou project #kagepro #kagerou days #hibiya amamiya #hiyori asahina #wannyanpuus kagedaze #wannyanpuus kagedaze: caps #wannyanpuus kagedaze: comparisons #wannyanpuus kagedaze: refs #kagepro: theories #kagepro: comparisons #kagepro: refs #hibiya refs #hiyori refs #white cat #black cat #kagepro fandom history #(SO I REALIZED THIS RECENTLY TOO)#(THE CAT. CHANGES COLOR. AT THE END. OF THE. PV.)#(I REALIZED IT MYSELF A LONG TIME AGO BUT I WAS REMINDED RECENTLY AND WENT)#('OH YEAH I HAVE TO POST THE CAPS')#(MEANWHILE TAKE NOTE OF KAGEROU'S AND HIYORI'S GRADIENT HUES)#(RED AND CYAN BLUE. HMM. HMM. HMMMMMMMMM)#(WOW I WONDER WHERE WE'VE SEEN THOSE COLORS MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE IN THE CANON MEDIA @ JIN)#(BY THE WAY IF WE DON'T GET A WHITE CAT EITHER I'M ALSO GONNA RIOT AND IS THE WHITE ONE EVEN A 'KANO')#(CAN KANO POSSIBLY TURN INTO A WHITE CAT TOO IS IT NOT EVEN KANO THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW)#fuckyeahkagepro caps #fuckyeahkagepro theories #fuckyeahkagepro rambles #fuckyeahkagepro tag rambles

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fuckyeahkagepro · 5 years

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ANYHOW

( FLIPS JIN INTO THE SUN !!!!! )

#fuckyeahkagepro tag rambles #fuckyeahkagepro rambles #fuckyeahkagepro commenatry #fuckyeahkagepro text posts #fuckyeahkagepro text #(I'M SORRY)#(MY FACE AS I WENT THROUGH EVERY EARLY ROUTE AND COMPARED)#('JIN LITERALLY')#(ME HAVING TO EXPLAIN EVERY SINGLE COMPARISON)#(EVEN IF THEY TURN OUT NON RELEVANT IN THE END)#(I'VE BEEN STUCK HERE FOR 6+ YEARS)#(PLS TELL ME IT'S AT LEAST SEMI MAKING SENSE)#(ANYWAY IF YOU REALLY REFUSE 'HIBIYA WORKS TOGETHER WITH CLEARING' MAKE IT 'MAYBE AYAKI'S INVOLVED')#(BC AYAKI MAKES EVERYTHING EVEN WAY MORE COMPLICATED)#(I HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON THE OTHERS YET EVEN WITH THAT POST)#(HEY BTW NOTE HOW THAT IS DEFINITELY MOMO KISARAGI'S BOW AND NOT HIYORI ASAHINA'S OR EVEN WANNYANPUU HIYORI'S)#(BUT YEAH SUMMERTIME RELOAD BASICALLY CONFIRMS HIBIYA HAD SOME INVOLVEMENTS ANYWAY)#(AND I HIGHLY DOUBT HE REMEMBERS EVERYTHING IN EVERY ROUTE OK)#(A LOT OF THEM THOUGH)#(WHEN HE ROLE REVERSALS WITH HIYORI)#(YEAH)#(BELATEDLY ADDS MORE TAGS)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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Kagerou Project Comparisons -> “Kagerou Daze” top: Mekakucity Actors OP (towards end), Saeru / Clearing Eyes (as “Kuroha”) rest: Wannyanpuu’s [non-canon] Kagerou Daze fan pv, 2011 (“Hiyori”*) [*Hiyori Asahina, fanmade short-haired version / pre-main series design] note: Wannyanpuu later became an official artist for Kagepro pvs until the end of the original Music Route (2013). Mekakucity Actors would happen in 2014. “ In this unnatural scene, The shimmering heat laughed, " This is the real thing ! " As my vision blurred away, I glanced at your profile, ” “ and thought I saw you smiling ”

#kagerou project #mekakucity actors #clearing eyes #saeru #hiyori asahina #wannyanpuus kagedaze: refs #wannyanpuus kagedaze: caps #wannyanpuus kagedaze: comparisons #wannyanpuus kagedaze #fuckyeahkagepro caps #fuckyeahkagepro posts #mekakucity actors: op #saeru refs #hiyori refs #wannyanpuu hiyori #('THEY'RE JUST INSPIRED' the fandom yells)#(as I rewatch my old video comparing and go 'oh')#(HI I FOUND A NEW COMPARISON and I think I didn't even realize this one before)#(or I did and it was subconsciously. help.)#('This is the real thing!' as Sidu laughs and times it perfectly with certain other videos too)#(that certain other video being OUTER SCIENCE ofc)#('This terrible brittle puny story is the real thing!' - Outer Science)#(i stg someday i'm going to have every frame and timing of his pvs burned into my mind if I haven't already)#(and this is why I ''hate'' Jin and Sidu)#('we'll do ALL of this and then save revealing Saeru's backstory for as long as possible!! haha!!' - Jin and Sidu)#(JIN AND SIDU IT'S 2K18 CAN YOU SERIOUSLY PLS REVEAL MORE OR AT LEAST WHATEVER 'NO TITLE' COULD MEAN)#(just watch we're going to get Mekakucity Reload anime .... someday and BOOM 'No Title')#(if it doesn't happen before that cries a lot)#(YELLS I WAS LOOKING AT THE SMILE BUT THE HAIR TOO. HER HAIR. IN FRONT OF HER EYES)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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( MORE PEOPLE ARE REALIZING ABOUT THE TVs IN KAGEPRO VIDEOS )

( YES. GOOD )

#fuckyeahkagepro posts #fuckyeahkagepro text posts #fuckyeahkagepro text #fuckyeahkagepro text post #fuckyeahkagepro rambles #(I STILL HAVE SO MANY THEORIES)#(ahhhh i'm not sure i'd say they're IN the tvs though)#(but still it's an idea yeah)#(actually I do have more thoughts related to that and my recent theory posts YEAH)#(MAINLY TO DO WITH HIBIYA AND HIYORI'S ROLE REVERSING)#(AND HOW MUCH OF THE SERIES' CONCEPT COULD RELATE BACK TO WANNYANPUU'S KAGEDAZE PV)#(I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS TOO)#(like here's a random question i'm still working out but)#(WHAT IF !!! SAERU !!! COULD GET REVERSED !! TOO !! SOMEHOW !!)#(WHAT DOES THE SCENE WITH AYANO AND MARY IN ADDITIONAL MEMORY MEAN)#(IT'S DEFINITELY CONNECTED TO THIS PLOT THE QUESTION IS. HOW)#(AND THE COMPARISONS OF THAT FRAME TO IMAGINATION FOREST AND OUTER SCIENCE FRAMES)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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me while trying to analyze Kagepro by basically following every ‘hint’ / comparison / etc. Jin’s laid out since the very start of the series across ALL of the Routes/multiple formats of media:

/SHAKING FIST AT HIBIYA AMAMIYA & HIYORI ASAHINA (PARTICULARLY) /(among some others too but MAINLY THEM)

#kagerou project #kagecrack #hibiya amamiya #hiyori asahina #kagerou days #wannyanpuus kagedaze #(kind of)#(OK BUT SERIOUSLY)#(ME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANY HIDDEN MACHANICS WHILE USING EVERY 'HINT' LAID OUT THIS FAR SINCE THE LITERAL BEGINNING: HELP)#(ADDITIONAL MEMORY PV IMPLICATIONS: NOT HELPING)#('ok so if THIS happens HERE then wouldn't it affect THIS happening HERE in this past Route')#('in which ways did Wannyanpuu show similar imagery in her old KageDaze pv bc literally')#('in which ways did Sidu show particular imageries and comparisons in his pvs')#('if Ayano does THIS HERE does this affect THAT THERE')#('if SAERU does THIS HERE does it affect THAT THERE')#('HIBIYA AMAMIYA I STG YOU'RE INVOLVED SOMEHOW SEEING THESE 'HINTS' AND YOU NEED TO S T O P')#('KONOHA ??? YOU TOO KIND OF. YOU AND YOUR RAIN SCENE THAT'S STILL NOT EXPLAINED I STG')#(i'm even side eyeing MOMO lately though I think she's less suspicious compared to those others still haha. but maybe not)#('ok but if these characters spend this much time in the Daze WHY doesn't it affect THESE characters in the same way i stg')#fuckyeahkagepro rambles #(ok this is just a rambling post anyhow aha)#(but yeah this is why you DON'T OVERLOOK THE OTHER ROUTES s o b)#(*hidden MECHANICS that is gdi typos)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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Kagerou Project theories?

ok so like

who here actually wants to hear my long-winded

“HIBIYA [OR KAGEROU!HIBIYA] (IS [MAYBE] STILL A THING) AND [IF IN SOME ROUTES AND NOT OTHERS FOR REASONS] IS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY OR BOTH COLLABORATING WITH SAERU / CLEARING EYES AND OR MAYBE VERSIONS OF THE MANGA ROUTE’S NEW FORM SAERU / CLEARING EYES” theory

because like

(^ that’s young Seto btw) .... idk how many of you

were here for Outer Science

when the music video from Music Route & song first dropped

(^ oh hi thematic parallels) but

(^ this too) ... things happened

yeah

... I STILL HAVE THEORIES

maybe a fun bonus? (this cap by me):

#kagerou project #kagerou daze #hibiya amamiya #kuroha #outer science #kagerou days #kagepro theme: comparisons #wannyanpuu hibiya #kagerou #saeru #snake of clearing eyes #(kuroha)#konoha #momo kisaragi #kousuke seto #mary kozakura #(THERE'S MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM)#(LITERALLY ALL OF THESE AND MORE ARE IN MY OLDER 'COMPARISONS' TAG THAT I STILL NEED TO RE TAG)#(also hi manga route and end of novels route or novel 8 is giving me I D E A S)#(i'm maybe totally wrong still but still THEY STORYBOARDED ALL OF THIS THEY HAD TO HAVE PLANNED SOME OF THESE PARALLELS I MEAN)#(also still have to do: THOSE OTHER KAGEDAZE x KNSJ x OUTER SCIENCE PARALLELS w h y)#long post #very long post #(... i'm sorry?)#(i had to suffer before so)#(*anyhow PLEASE WATCH ALL THE MUSIC ROUTE VIDEOS YES THEY ARE STILL SO IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WHEN ROUTES WRAP UP AND NEW ONES BEGIN)#blood #blood //#character death #character death //

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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Kagerou Project Analysis: early Hibiya+Hiyori ; Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days / Daze Alt Deaths

[ Wannyanpuu’s early Hibiya & Hiyori: Possible Alternate Deaths ] [ analysis / theories continued from here ! ]

Alternate deaths found from Wannyanpuu’s older fanmade [pre-main series] Kagerou Daze pv ..... ...... ..... (Including some even I never noticed until rewatching this music video for the nth time ... in the year 2k18) (possibly a few were later re-used in canon for other characters?) (possibly)

(also including more bonus crying Kagerou ! Hibiyas)

(warning: gore, blood, some are quite graphic implications gore-wise) (and also deaths wise ;;) (more warnings under the cut) (do not look if you are sensitive!) (basically: [almost] as many extreme deaths as you can think of ;;) (these happening to Hiyori especially but also implied Hibiya) (because timeloops.) (and Hibiya switching the timelines)

Death #1 - Normal Car, not even TRUCK Death #2 - Scissors ..... (was this re-used later for Shintaro?) Death #3 - I can’t tell exactly what this is but blood dripping off edges ...... [gore tw] Death #4 - Matches ..... (fire?!?) (possibly re-used for young Kido but ..... ) Death #5 - crushed by something heavy ? ..... [serious gore tw] Death #6 - rope [suicide tw] Death #7 - bottle [suicide tw] Death #8 - multiple extreme gunshots [HEAVY GORE TW] Death #9 - blood dripping down Hiyori’s side of face, her eyes still open / fuctioning ? [heavy gore tw] (she was struck by something in between?) Death #10 - buried ? [HEAVY GORE TW] [ or poles ] Death #11 - marks / wounds on neck ;; [heavy gore tw] (ok though this also appears during a truck scene so it may be the truck marks) (if you pause during an earlier scene, her first death - yeah) Death #12? - uh .... .... ... (HIBIYA NO) [POSSIBLE UNINTENDED VIOLENCE TW] [ ^ HEAVY GORE TW TOO ] (could also be remnants from truck but ..... ) (blood on his hands.) (Hibiya looking terrified too) Death #13? / clock - uh oh [ INSERT KAGEROU TRANSFORMATION INCOMING ? 3, 2, 1 ..... ] in between: the scene in full showing most of these and possibly other ( the others were still vague though so possibly it was more truck / etc. ) ( page jump / skip to the very end if you only want to see the last Hibiya(s) ;; ) ( and more crying Kagerou Hibiyas )

( ^ normal [black] car )

( ^ scissors ..... )

( ^ dripping blood )

( ^ matches [fire] ;; ;; ) ( HIYORI+HIBIYA N O DON’T YOU DARE )

[ the following deaths get PRETTY GOREY AND DARK SO ] [ PLEASE TAKE CAUTION ] [ tw for some: suicide (reminder though they’re trying to save each other) ] [ (from the loops yeah) (it appears to get really drastic .....) ]

( ^ crushed ? ..... ) ( Hiyo ;; ) [ poles are still possible or truck but ]

( ^ Wannyanpuu THIS WAS NOT OK ) ( hopefully we NEVER get this in canon but uh yeah implications still there ) ( but yeah Shintaro’s & Ayano’s were ... bad enough ;; ;; )

( ^ ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ) ( STOP. )

( ^ CHRIST ) (HIBIYA SAW THIS) (HIBIYA SAW ALL OF THESE) ( reused for Saeru ? ?? )

( ^ blood dripping down Hiyori’s face / eye ;; )

( ^ more like this .... )

( ^ more truck, or ..... )

( ^ WANNYANPUU NO )

( possibly what leads to the .... )

( ^ Kagerou Daze deaths in full ) ( ^ note: Kagerou is seen, but still seems to be mostly just standing there.) ( “ he was just standing there, as if mocking me ” - novels 1 Hibiya ) ( so it seems these deaths can happen without Kagerou actually doing things? ) ( including the canon Heat Haze ? )

( ^ OH NO )

( ^ NO WONDER HE WAS SUDDENLY CRYING AT END T B H ) ( HE JUST WANTED TO SAVE HIS OWN HIYORI )

... ok but

( ^ I still wonder if he somehow became corrupted along the way ..... )

(i’m sorry) (i’m not the one who created this series or pv ok)

#kagepro: theories #kagepro: analysis #wannyanpuus kagedaze: analysis #wannyanpuus kagedaze: refs #wannyanpuus kagedaze #hibiya amamiya #hibiya refs #hiyori asahina #hiyori refs #kagerou #kagerou refs #kagepro: comparisons #kagerou days #kagerou days: comparisons #character death #trigger warnings all around #(i'm sorry)#(disclaimer again i'm not the creator of this series ok)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years

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Kagerou Project Analysis: Hibiya (& Hiyori) Encountering Momo Kisaragi Before “the Daze”

[ How, When, Where, & Why do Hibiya (& Hiyori) encounter Momo before the Kagerou Daze song happens ? ] [ also: The Daze itself. ]

( continued from here ! )

Friendly reminder the official order of the Routes / timelines goes, like so:

Music Route -> Manga Route -> Novels Route [as of 2014] and/or MCA Route MCA: ‘closest to the latter’ (but now we may have more Routes coming so .....)

Music Route: (keeping in mind what’s been recapped so far from previous posts!) - Momo Kisaragi hasn’t even been created at the time Kagerou Days was. - Kagerou Days happens. - Hibiya wakes up inside the Daze. - “What time is it now?” - Repeat (two verses/choruses/loops) - Third loop: - “Ah!” “Yume [dream]”? - Repeat final time; Hibiya switches ? the timelines. - Momo Kisaragi does not yet exist in the real world (our world). - Momo Kisaragi is later created / designed by Wannyanpuu. - Wannyanpuu: possibly contributed to inspirations for the storyline (especially re: Hiyori Asahina’s design / concept.) - Wannyanpuu’s Hibiya: has phone. (phone: has time) - Jin’s Hibiya, still: “what time is it now?” [ all Routes after ] [ Hibiya: /no phone ( until possibly novel 8′s end ) ] [ Hiyori: /has phone ] [ Ayano: doesn’t even bother mentioning ‘the phone’ ]

Manga Route: - Shintaro & Momo encounter Hibiya & Hiyori very very early on. - The entire course of the Routes changes almost immediately. - Hibiya: “the boy who doesn’t have a wish” [to “save the girl” (yet)] - Saeru - Hibiya & Hiyori don’t know about “The Park”

- The Park: the initial spot where the Kagerou Daze first begins / traps them.

- Momo: tells them about “The Park”. (MOMO NO) (MOMO STOP) - Hibiya & Hiyori: encounter truck. - Hibiya & Hiyori: dies / encounters Daze? - Hibiya (& Hiyori, but not shown until later on): revives (with Snakes ? ?? ) - Saeru (Snake of Clearing Eyes) forms in Hibiya sometime before - Hibiya meets (Manga Route) Ayano. - Hibiya meets Ayano at “The Park”, while trying to remember what happened to him & Hiyori. - Hibiya can’t recall everything that happened to him. - Hibiya notably glances towards the swingset [prominent in Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days and indirectly seen in MCA.] [Hibiya & Hiyori often sit there having heart-to-hearts before the Daze happens.] - Ayano: tells Hibiya about Azami’s past. - Saeru: [ possibly: hearing all of this. ] - Hibiya later winds up in the care of Momo & Shintaro as they all try to search for Hiyori. - In between, them all encountering various members of the Dan, Konoha (Hibiya encounters Konoha), etc. [ will come back to Konoha later ] - Saeru: possessed Hibiya at some point before meeting Ayano. - everything else: happens - Hiyori: [seemingly] has Focusing Eyes. - Hiyori: hasn’t had an “Otsukimi Recital” type solo encounter with Momo. - Hiyori: will probably fail no matter what she does. - it can only be Hibiya [ ?? ?? ? ] - Hibiya: “i’m sorry” - to Hiyori - Hibiya: dead. (no thanks Saeru) - Konoha: also dead, trying to save Hibiya. (again no thanks Saeru) - Saeru: duped everyone into thinking Hibiya had Focusing Eyes. - (ok but what if ..... Saeru’s still duping everyone .....) - - - - HOW WOULD (COULD?) HIBIYA REVIVE WITHOUT THE SNAKE OF FOCUSING EYES ??? - IS IT (HIM REVIVING) JUST BECAUSE OF SAERU ??? - IS IT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE ????? ??? - HOW LONG WAS MANGA ROUTE SAERU THERE FOR ??? - SAERU: “FROM THE VERY BEGINNING” - DIRECT QUOTE FROM SAERU - - - IS IT POSSIBLE FOR TWO SAERUS TO BE POSSESSING HIBIYA AT ONCE ????? - - Manga Route’s New Form Saeru (literally the most recent chapter as of the initial writing of this post): “ Hello ! ”

Novels Route: - Momo Kisaragi exists design-wise and “in real life”-wise (our world), but ..... - Hibiya & Hiyori do not encounter her before The Daze. - Hibiya & Hiyori wake up inside The Daze. - Hibiya has various monologues while inside The Daze, Hiyori does too (to Hibiya). - some monologues may be happening in alternative timelines / spoken to a different character (Hibiya -> Ayano in the Daze from here appears in MCA 04) (still curious about another one exactly [I’ll get back to later]). - Hibiya escapes The Daze / revives. [w/Focusing Eyes] - Hibiya meets Momo. - Otsukimi Recital: later happens. - Hibiya drops Momo’s “oba-san” (auntie/old hag etc.) and “Aun” cheeky rudeness from him. - Hibiya -> Momo: “Momo”. (no honorifics.) [ Momo & Hibiya have become closer ! ? Congratulations, “Momo” & Hibiya-kun! ] [ .... at the very, very least, he’s a bit more polite now. ] (... there’s some other fun things in between Hibiya meeting Momo and that) (I’ll come back to those in a later mini analysis!) MCA Route: - starts off very similar to Novels Route re: Hibi+Hiyo’s weirder dynamic. - Kisaragi Attention (Episode 02) happens - Kisaragi Attention in Music Route: Momo meeting Mekakushi Trio + Mary only. - ‘Kisaragi Attention’ here: Momo meeting Hibiya. only - (Momo would later meet MekaTrio+Mary in Mekakushi Code ep 03 instead.) - Hibiya: still calling her oba-san - Momo: let this kind onee-san show you the way! [or: I’M NOT OLD] [ ^ this: happens only once in all forms of the canon iirc. ] - Hibiya: NO WAY OBA-SAN -- - Momo: attracts the crowds with her Eyes. - Momo & Hibiya: “shit” - Momo & Hibiya: RUNS [cue Kisaragi Attention playing] - Hibiya: gets overrun by crowds in between, escapes - Momo: doesn’t get any chance to tell Hibiya about “THE PARK”. (... would she have?) - Momo: doesn’t get to even meet Hiyori, only Hibiya. - Momo: doesn’t even make it to the Department store she wanted to go to. ( more on that recurring theme later too ) - Momo: SIGHS - everything else: happens - (including Otsukimi Recital towards end of anime) [ MCA 04 ] (compare: this dumb old amv I made once) [i’m sorry] ( because screencapping everything would take way too long, ok ;; ) ( but it has most Daze scenes in it while trying to line them up with Wannyanpuu’s version thematic wise ) - Hibiya & Hiyori: [ inside the Daze. waking up ] - Hibiya: /NO PHONE (IN ANY OF THEM) - Hiyori: /has phone - Hibiya: [ probably thinking it’s like a “dream” / “yume?” ] - Repeat four or so Daze loops, getting progressively worse each time. - Hiyori in between: saying things Hibiya can’t hear while smiling / crying - Hiyori: (”i’m sorry”?) (”I love you”?) - possible - Hibiya: [ final loop happens ] - Hibiya: SCREW YOU CAT “Serves you right !!” - (Cat in Novels timeline: Kano interference.) (Cat anywhere else: ???? ??) - (Kano interference: by means of Saeru forcing him.) - Hibiya: SWITCHES THE TIMELINES. - Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes from the Daze and revives. - everything else: happens [ considering new Routes incoming ] [ MCA: also Reset ? (maybe / likely ) ]

BONUS (from Kisaragi Attention, Ep 02:

( ^ listen. I am not the one writing this series. It’s doing it on its own.) ( Friendly reminder: Hibiya & Momo - closer in age than not ) ( ok but seriously it’s more like Hibiya: just entering junior high school as of Mekakucity Talkers; with conflicting age in canon [still closer to his birthday during loops [August 15th]; Hibiya’s birthday: November 4th]. Momo: just leaving/left junior high school as of MCA, but also with conflicting age. taking supplementary classes; hasn’t yet taken re-do exams. - She SHOULD be closer to ‘15′ by this point of the timeline. - her birthday is literally right before the Japanese school year begins. February 14th -> April [school year begins] -> August 15th [loops / timelines] -> March [school year ends] - MCA Kenjirou too (I realized): “if you [Momo] fail these [supplementary classes] you’ll go back to being a first year [in high school]!” - Kenjirou / as Saeru: manipulating the entire freaking city. INCLUDING MOMO’S SCHOOL. INCLUDING MOMO (?) - loops: happening (probably?: screwing up even more timing re: conflicting ages) - ... friendly reminder Hibiya has another birthday only a few months after escaping loops. then he’s taking junior high school entrance exams ?. ) - Momo: still has to wait until her next birthday (February 14th) to age another year regardless. - closer than not ? - look I’m just saying - - anyway look I seriously doubt Jin would intend for a serious relationship at all at this stage ok at most it’s friendship / fluff / developing - even the anthologies imply this with older!HibiMomo comics / manga - Wannyanpuu and Sidu (Kagepro’s official artists) have contributed to various official anthologies too - Jin certainly approves of the materials or they wouldn’t be published - literally ..... - my opinion aside, literally. - this is mainly for analysis ok. i am not writing this series.

Anyway all that aside: - MCA screencap above:

HIBIYA SWITCHED HANDS WITH MOMO TO RUN IN FRONT OF HER.

[ MANGA ROUTE QUICK RECAP: ] Hiyori to Momo: “i’ll walk in front” Momo to Hiyori: “wow” “it’s like you’re always protecting me .....”

“ There is no such thing as coincidence in this world, there is only Hitsuzen [the inevitable]. ” ( ^ oh hi CLAMP, Cardcaptor Sakura & Tsubasa’s Clow Reed & Yuuko Ichihara ) ( JIN, WANNYANPUU, SIDU, ETC. PLANNED ALL OF THIS. ) ( or at least most of this ) ( storyboarding wise ) ( where even is all of this going ?! )

[ ..... ok a short MCA summary follows ]

( ^ loop 1. NO PHONE. only clock [right; top] ) (still) (”what time is it now?” - KageDaze official song lyrics, Hibiya’s POV)

( ^ oh hi swings ) (looking very ominous with Daze colors imagery.) ( friendly reminder: even if the animation was weird in many ... many parts of MCA ) ( literally all of this is still storyboarded. )

( ^ waking up. loop 2 / in between loops)

( ^ NO PHONE [only clock] )

( ^ oh hi “The Park” Momo tells them about. ) [ she tells in Manga Route only that is ] ( looking ... even more extremely ominous ) ( Hibiya’s awareness ... growing ..... ) ( among other thematic parallels: sky, wires, birds, stop signs, blood, etc. ) ( adding poles, etc. ) ( birds / crows: also in Wannyanpuu’s music video [inside the clocks] )

( ^ [silently saying something] ) (^ “I’m sorry” / “I love you” ?) (note her tears.)

( ^ red red red sky ) ( ^ Hibiya waking up, frantically looking around [as if to check it was a dream])

( ^ RUNNING ) ( ^ NO PHONE [only clock] )

( [silently speaking] ) ( “ I’m sorry ” ? etc.) (tears flying.)

( ^ final loop ) ( ^ OH NO ) ( ^ waking up. )

( ^ Hibiya: “.......” )

( ^ clock ) ( but still not phone ) ( that he still wants in some Routes )

( ^ no phone ) ( Hibiya: closes door slowly. )

( ^ SWINGS / THE PARK ) ( shit )

( ^ TIMELINE SWITCH ) ( this time it’s me not you - Hibiya probably )

( ^ “SCREW YOU CAT!!!” ) I mean ( “Serves you right!” ) (lit: “look at your own failure / how much of a failure you are” “look at your pitiful self after failing so hard” etc. [to Cat]) alternatively: “take that!” “look at the state of things” etc. etc.

MCA Hibiya: dead MCA Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes and revives MCA everything else: happens Manga Route 2: happens New Form Saeru even after like 6+ YEARS OF THIS: happens

( JIN )

[ ... also: re Honorifics and progressions of ] ( basically it’s like : last names: can be more polite; first names without knowing: rude last or first names used intentionally rudely: rude last names with -san: very polite; formal; etc. first names with -san: more polite than not with -san etc. last names with -kun, -chan, etc.: a bit more informal, but still some politeness ? -san in general: polite, distance; -kun, -chan, etc: more friendly/informal -kun: often for boys (but can also be used for younger girls, such as underclassmen / etc.) -chan: often for girls (but can also be used for younger boys, kids, as a cutesy honorific; etc.) progression to first names, no honorifics: typically means - becoming closer; can be rude if not ) ( it’s kind of hard to explain um ..... ) ( if you’ve ever watched the Digimon Adventures series ? ) [ oh hi another of my main fandoms since long before Kagepro ] ( ... I don’t know how many of you have, but this is a very good example video ) ( if you watch it, note how they progress from last names -> first names ! ) (literally they go through like 5-10 honorifics changes) ( also: rudeness [in between] -> familiarity/closeness ) (note: Hibiya also calls Hiyori by her first name and first name only.) (initially: can be rude. Hibiya is often cheeky/rude. Hiyori even notes this in Manga Route - [he’s from the countryside so he doesn’t have / know manners] etc.) (after: _____ ? ?? ) ( also [Digimon spoilers below]: the canon pairing at the end of 02 [Sorato; Yamato x Sora] also becomes canon through honorifics changing and progression all throughout the first and second series. It was a real surprise to most of the Western / American fanbase at the time because literally all of this gets lost in translation [and very bad, fully Americanized dubs]. ) People there to this day still tend to be confused by it because of things consistently lost in translation and their lack of initial interactions otherwise. [ there are multiple honorifics issues within Kagepro in general too. ] [ literally there’s a reason why they’re used as plot points multiple times ] ( ..... don’t say I didn’t warn you. )

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Kagerou Project Comparisons ~ Ayano (crying) in the classroom + References & Analysis Konoha no Sekai Jijou pv [May 2012] * Ayano debuts here for the first time * in between, the 1st various initial official character profiles are released. these were published on Jin’s website, the 2012 Disintegration Book, etc. * Manga’s 1st route began not long after [June 15 2012] ** and now we have 2nd Manga Route′s ending’s bonus chapter [2019] * Ayano crying in the classroom is seen at around 2:52 timemark. In Toumei Answer pv [2012], before Manga Route’s start; * we also saw Ayano folding paper cranes in the same classroom ** the same paper cranes show up in “Additional Memory” pv [2018] along with elsewhere in the pre-2016 fandom era main canon; *** and now, again, in the 2nd Manga Route’s ending’s bonus chapter. very related (bolding/italics/caps mine for plot-related emphasis): “Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes”:

The short novel is a fictional retelling of the story of Sadako Sasaki, who lived in Hiroshima at the time of the atomic bombing by the United States. Sadako was 2 years old when the atomic bomb (Little Boy) was dropped on August 6, 1945, near her home by Misasa Bridge in Hiroshima, Japan. She was at home when the explosion occurred, about one mile from ground zero. In November 1954, when she was 12 she developed swellings on her neck and behind her ears. In January 1955, purple spots had formed on her legs. Subsequently, she was diagnosed with leukemia (her mother referred to it as "an atom bomb disease"). She was hospitalized on February 21, 1955, and given a year to live.

After being diagnosed with leukemia from the radiation, Sadako's friend told her to fold origami paper cranes (orizuru) in hope of making a thousand of them. She was inspired to do so by the Japanese legend that one who created a thousand origami cranes would be granted a WISH. Her wish was simply to live. In this retelling of her story, she managed to fold only 644 cranes before she became too weak to fold any more, and died on the morning of October 25, 1955. Her friends and family helped finish her dream by folding the rest of the cranes, which were buried with Sadako.

However, the claim in the book that Sadako "died before completing the 1000 cranes, and her two friends completed the task, placing the finished cranes in her casket" is not backed up by her surviving family members. According to her family, and especially her older brother Masahiro Sasaki who speaks on his sister's life at events, Sadako not only exceeded 644 cranes, she exceeded her goal of 1000 and died having folded approximately 1400 paper cranes. Masahiro Sadako, says in his book The Complete Story of Sadako Sasaki that she exceeded her goal. Mr. Sasaki and the family have donated some of Sadako's cranes at places of importance around the world: in NYC at the 9-11 memorial, at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, at The Truman Library & Museum on November 19, 2015, at Museum Of Tolerance on May 26, 2016, and the Japanese-American National Museum three days later.

After her death, Sadako's friends and schoolmates published a collection of letters in order to raise funds to build a memorial to her and all of the children who had died from the effects of the atomic bomb. In 1958, a statue of Sadako holding a golden crane was unveiled in the Hiroshima Peace Memorial, also called the Genbaku Dome, and installed in the Hiroshima Peace Park.

At the foot of the statue is a plaque that reads: "This is our cry. This is our prayer. Peace on Earth." Every year on Obon Day, which is a holiday in Japan to remember the departed spirits of one's ancestors, thousands of people leave paper cranes near the statue. A paper crane database has been established online for contributors to leave a message of peace and to keep a record of those who have donated cranes.

* Obon Day is referenced numerous times in relation to Kagepro’s plot as well and is literally the day “August 15th” can occur on in multiple instances. It is implied to be happening during the timeframe of Kagepro’s main plot / on August 15th of that year (confirmed by Kenjirou multiple times when speaking to Momo).

* Jin has actually expressed a disappointment before / seemed upset (on his twitter) that some Kagepro fans on the Japanese side of the fanbase don’t respect Obon Day.

In Jin’s interview with SPICE magazine [Jan 2019] he mentions:

(INTERVIEWER): ──So it seems that “summer”* [*in the seires/also in regards to Jin’s music production] hasn’t ended yet.

JIN: No, it won’t end. Ever since Kagerou Project started, I haven’t had days off during Obon (bitter smile). I can’t go visit graves because I ended up making 8/15 into a key-date! I’m really sorry for my ancestors! Well, when it ends, I’m thinking of going over it* [*visiting?].

(INTERVIEWER): ──You have to put off the date, huh (laughs). We also have Buddhist services during equinoctial week.

JIN: That’s right (laughs), I have to do my best from now on too.

BONUS COMPARISONS: Toumei Answer pv; May 30 2012*: *after Konoha no Sekai Jijou pv + included on the “Mekakucity Days” Music Route album [May 30 2012]: [*animated by earlier pv artist Wannyanpuu, NOT Sidu]

^ FRIENDLY REMINDER: Retaining Eyes (Yakitsukeru) does not wear Ayano’s scarf.

BONUS (MY THEORY):

THE REASON RETAINING EYES DOES NOT WEAR A SCARF

- IS BECAUSE SHE ALREADY “GAVE” IT TO SHINTARO KISARAGI.

- IN THE 2ND MANGA ROUTE’S ENDING + END OF LOST TIME MEMORY PV [MUSIC ROUTE] / ETC SIMILAR SCENES. * However, when “the time” is “repeated”/reloaded, she (if as Retaining Eyes or Ayano in the “real world”) wakes up with it again unless/until Shintaro can remember.

* Mekakucity Actors Route [1st anime] would later not air until April 2014. * Retaining Eyes Ayano is visible / seen in the very first episode (Shintaro’s dreams) among other scenes (as scarf-less Ayano). + JIN “HAD THE ENDING DECIDED FROM THE BEGINNING”. - from Jin’s Library Live Q&A Report (confirmed by Japanese fans).

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