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Friendship ended with Fuli & Nanook, now Aha is my best friend.
haha Shuhu's Gift go brrrrr
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whetstonefires · 2 years
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... which Naruto characters would be which MDZS/The Untamed characters? Itachi as Jiang Yanli making Sasuke Jiang Cheng, making ? Wei Wuxian? Shisui?? Mind control eyes now being corpse control magic?? I don't think he really fits, he's just my favorite Uchiha and the only other person I can think of is Naruto. Demon fox becomes demonic cultivation. That fits... Better? What do you think? Kabuto or Orochimaru as Jin Guangyao. Or Xue Yang? Depending. Kabuto Xue Yang. Who else is who? There are many Naruto characters and not so many MDZS.
and then there was the followup ask, which I'm bundling here:
Danzou Jin Guangshan.
See I don't think that does correlate very well because while they're both horrid old men who create problems and consume others in the pursuit of their aims and thus serve a similar narrative function, Danzou is fundamentally an ideologue.
His ideology is horrid and ultimately founded in his personal insecurities re: childhood validation (realistic), but the danger and awfulness of him lie in his patience, unwavering focus, and willingness to go unrecognized for the sake of more effective scheming.
Jin Guangshan, while he is a schemer, is fundamentally a creature of appetite. He schemes in order to cheat his way toward the satisfaction of achieving aims like pleasure, power, and admiration. It's all about personal gratification for him, and in fairly short-term ways too.
Danzou takes a lot of satisfaction in what he does, but he'd never acknowledge that that's his motive. He identifies as an ascetic personality. He defines his crimes as necessities and sacrifices for the greater good.
If Jin 'I Had No Choice' Guangyao had different insecurities and had lived to be old, they'd be fairly similar types, but Jin Guangshan is just...not deep enough to be Danzou. Still, it's the closest you're going to get for him; he makes a worse Madara.
Jin Guangyao makes a better Kabuto than he does an Orochimaru, in terms of vibes? Because he and Kabuto both go through the same annealing process of being passed from master to master, growing in power, corruption, and hatred as they grow up, and perfecting the art of the backstab.
(Kabuto's character stagnating at the eleventh hour aside. He was one of my favorite Naruto villains, I was pissed that the followthrough on his backstory was him becoming Kabuchimaru.)
Orochimaru only ever really had one set of formal loyalties before striking off on his own, even if he did join a weird gang briefly before setting himself up as a child-eating dark lord.
If we ignore the bizarre 'redemption process that failed to address his major crimes (primarily child-eating, the main sin of the setting) and likelihood of repeating them' Orochimaru has much closer to Xue Yang's pure unhinged power-seeking wild-abandon scientific curiosity murder spree energy.
The way Orochimaru had of hooking the total devotion of his minions, usually children, so he could use them to death, is a little like jgy because they both had that way of figuring out what people deeply wanted and leading them by it. But that was never really integrated into Orochimaru's overall character as it developed, despite being so central to his villain function, which tbh I feel really undermines him.
In terms of villain tiering though yeah, ig jgy can be Orochimaru and Kabuto can be Xue Yang. It really depends on if you're viewing the characters in question as 'persons' or as 'narrative functions.'
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Now. If Jiang Cheng is assigned Sasuke on account of Itachi having the Older Sibling With The Eldest Daughter Syndrome role, the implausibility of Jiang Yanli stabbing Yu Ziyuan and Jiang Fengmian and her distinct lack of Genius Problems aside.......
You could make a case for Shisui if we're situating Yanl'itachi as the center of the universe, but having locked in Jiang Cheng it seems silly, especially considering matters of 'lightning attacks' and 'who stabbed whom around the end of approximately the third act followed by a timeskip.'
Wei Wuxian and Naruto are sufficiently similar MC archetypes that they map on naturally enough that tbh I'd just go with it, even if it's a little dull and even if the story now becomes deeply bizarre because the genius stick is a major character and plot driver in both narratives, and has now been handed around to different characters.
That handaround could add some interest if you do it right! I'm pretty sure I've seen fic where Uchiha Mikoto (Jiang Fengmian here ig) took Naruto in or at least looked after him a bit in memory of Kushina, so you could go with that if you wanted to keep the foster-brother fundament under the 'rivalry' element.
Have to admit that the narrative energies of the Wen destruction of Lotus Pier being replaced by Jiang Yanli inexplicably massacring the entire Sect and running off into the night, leaving small Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian (who ofc adored her unconditionally) behind, baffled and devastated, are...really something.
...Obito gets to be a massively OP Wen Chao ig, except it's kind of important thematically that he and Madara (whom he was impersonating and acting for) are Uchihas targeting the Uchiha. Yunmeng Jiang is not rich in ancestor figures, or scary rogues other than Wei Wuxian.
Admittedly you could do something excellent and horrible with Wei Wuxian as Obito, if that was where you wanted to point the camera. In that case, Jiang Cheng becomes Shisui.
The story would have to play out differently for them to remain recognizably themselves, but you could do something fun and intense with that setup.
But if general cast-assigning, in this case main character is main character. Jin Ling is Wei Wuxian's only rival for the Naruto spot--a potential direction if wwx is obito, but if we assume normalized focus, nah.
Which of wwx and jc winds up leaving and shouldering the villain mantle depends, again, on what kind of story we're trying to tell and which of the source narratives is being picked apart. I think I'd have more fun with 'in this world Jiang Cheng is the one who runs off for personal torment reasons and is Assigned Criminal' and what this does with their characterizations and the tensions with the original story, but there's something to be said for like. Juugo is Wen Ning.
I fckin loved Juugo, criminally underutilized character, Kishimoto made very bad decisions when he axed so much of the setup he did in that period in favor of the ending structure he chose. Bleh.
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Also! 😆 Obligatory note that Naruto's canon love interest, who is naturally quiet and nurtured a one-sided crush on his sunshiney fate-defying troublemaker energy for ages after they met at school, comes from the repressed clan with the headbands, although mashing up the Lan and the Hyuuga is atrocious.
Relatively easy! The trope overlap is real! But atrocious.
And I truly cannot formulate a version of Lan Zhan with Hinata's problems. If he was the older of two and had such insufficient talent he was going to be magically enslaved by his clan (like most of his clan) as a result, and got verbally abused by his father about it due to his father's issues about his dead uncle, etc, he wouldn't react with timidity, and he wouldn't develop the kind of anxiety that makes you fuck up a lot. He'd lock down.
If it was clear he could not get up to the level needed to clear the bar, he'd lean into his Caged Bird fate 300% and repress his issues about it so damn hard.
Options for this hypothetical mashup fic then would include just sticking Wangxian into roughly the Naruto and Hinata spaces in the world but pursuing a character-loyal version of the character dynamic (which would mean stealing some of Sasuke's bits from Jiang Cheng and giving them to the Hinata lol) or putting him in Neji's spot.
Which gives lwj different backstory angst that's similar enough you don't have to work for it to keep him about the same, behaviorally. Finding the characterization compromise between 'Lan Wangji' and 'Neji's Motive Rant In The Chuunin Exam Stadium In Front Of The Entire Ninja World Even If Most Of Them Couldn't Hear Him' would be an interesting exercise.
Also, possibly the most interesting, if we're considering different Hyuugas anyway slot him in as Hanabi (is that the right name? it's been so long) and Xichen as Hinata. Xichen can be significantly less talented than Wangji for the sake of the scenario, that's fine.
(I can also see him self-sabotaging under those conditions, mostly unconsciously, which I'd argue Hinata probably is anyway.)
The externally imposed rivalry to be the sibling ultimately holding the leash versus wearing the choke chain isn't going to shape up the same way as between Hinata and Hanabi, because they're not the same people, but I am a little curious to see what that kind of upbringing would do to our Twin Jades.
Also Qingheng-jun abusing Lan Xichen due in part to his own self-hatred for how Lan Qiren died is kinda juicy ngl.
So, my chief takeaway from all of this is that Naruto really is a significantly more fucked-up and twisted story than The Untamed, and pulls ahead of mdzs as well!
Possibly because of being aimed at a younger audience, since a lot of what makes Naruto nightmarish is it kept adding awful things and then just kind of dropping them half-examined. Mxtx doesn't really delve into stuff either but she doesn't shy away from conclusions and resolutions at the very last minute, and the brutal efficiency with which she pares away unnecessary elements in mdzs is something I've been trying to learn from a bit, so there's not the same gratuity of unresolved bullshit.
They're not terribly unalike, tho. As stories. Like, compared to P&P this set of correspondences is a walk in the park. I think this is more a matter of being from similar genres than more similar cultural reference pools, but the latter helps too.
Are you just going to keep sending me cursed asks and making me think about Naruto, is this a new hobby for you? 😂💗 Blessings on you and yours bramble a;lskjadsflk.
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Can you write about how the Galar Gym Squad would go about with breaking the news in public that they're finally in a relationship? Considering the possibilities of mixed reactions such as support and hate- if it's okay. Thank you! :D
Anon this was so much fun! If you want me to go into how the public reacted, let me know and I’ll make a part two! Also, I did a friendship for Allister and a family relationship for Opal because the ideas I got for them were cute-
Milo
Milo’s gonna break the news to his family first. They’re who matters most to him, so he’s going to invite you over for dinner with his folks one night. You don’t have to bring anything for dress up, they’re really laid back. He just won’t expect for his entire family to be there, that kind of throws a wrench into his plans. But it still went well. A picture was posted by his older cousin, of the two of you. And of course, he was tagged. Which meant people saw it and everyone went wild.
Milo made his own post about the picture the next day. He shared the image, and added his own comment, “I meant to tell ya’ll myself, guess the Espurr’s out of the bag now. Yeah, I’m dating (Y/N).”
Nessa
It’s done with a photo on Fletching. One taken during a photoshoot, where you’d gone with her and the designer decided you’d be the perfect model to show the matching ensemble he’d made for the outfit she was showing off. So you two had a few really nice pictures, and Nessa asked for one that was more romantic for personal use. She used it as the announcement photo, talking about how fantastic you two look together and how good the outfits look. She purposefully didn’t say you two were together, she waited for a commenter to say that you two should date.
She reposted that comment, with her own comment. “We are.”
Kabu
Honestly, he’s not really going to think about it. His relationships are his business, why should he have to go and make a public announcement about it? So, really, people just sort of pick up on the fact that you two are together. At first, it’s more of theories, but as time goes on, it becomes impossible to deny that you and Kabu are together. Especially after that picture of you kissing him right before he went onto the pitch for the opening ceremony surfaced.
Bea
Bea hasn’t done a lot of really daring things in her time as a gym leader, but this is one she’s more than happy to do. Maybe it was more of the excitement that got to her. It was an Exhibition match, against Allister. They were having a great time, and she really did have to think outside of the box to grab that victory. But she did! She won! After showering in the locker room, you where there waiting for her outside the door. Paparazzi and interviewers were right behind you.
Which means they got a lot of pictures and video of the kiss she gave you. Their questions focused on the battle, but a few of them started to ask about your relationship. That’s the part she got flustered about, fumbling on her words and unable to really say it. Yeah, you two were together, but actually saying it was a whole different thing. She’s really grateful to you for saying it for her.
Allister
“This is… My friend, (Y/N).” He’ll say. You accompanied him as a friend to a charity dinner the Chairman hosted. Older people went with their romantic partners, but Allister? He asked you, his friend. You were a good friend, and he was sure you’d be okay with accompanying him.
There was a lot of gushing about him making a friend on social media the next day. For the most part, people were talking about how wonderful it was that he has a friend. Of course, you’ve got the weird people every now and again, but it’s mostly just talking about how good of a friend you were being.
Opal
She took you with her to a premiere of a new play, of course, you two wore matching pink coats. And there was a moment she was stopped so the interviewers could ask her about this play, where she sent you ahead to find your seats and get the playbooks. While you’re gone, they ask her what her relationship to you is. Probably because of the matching coats, if she had to guess. She had been pretty private about her personal life.
“Oh, (Y/N)? (Y/N) is my grandchild! The only one so far, but luckily they have plenty of pink. If you’ll excuse me, the show is starting soon. I don’t want to miss it!” They let her pass and you two enjoyed your show together. And you got a new hat out of it.
Bede
He’s not going to. You are. You’re the one to make the post, you’re the one to handle letting the public know. He’s a new gym leader, he doesn’t really pay attention or care about any fans he has right now. He’s still trying to get the hang of running the Fairy Gym and figure out what his gym mission is going to be for the next Challenge.
So, you make the post on Fletching. And tag him, so it’ll appear on his page and let people know. You’re handling all the questions for a while, until he gets tired of his phone pinging every few seconds and just goes live to confirm it. Yes, you two are dating, leave it alone two hours so he can finish what he’s doing.
Gordie
His Fanclub knows first. They’re all over everything he does, so they absolutely have the first clue that you’re together. Which means they’ve got the rumor out long before he makes an announcement, and all he has to do is confirm it. But he’s enjoying this, he’s going to let it last as long as he can. Which means you’re going to be the one to get tired of him waiting.
Which means you’re going to confirm it. By kissing him at an autograph signing. Which drives his fans wild and results in dozens- maybe hundreds- of photos taken and the entire event to be shifted to questions about the two of you.
Melony
Melony’s been through this before. Last time, she didn’t make the public announcement until the wedding- which was nice, keeping her relationship on the down-low. But this time, she figures she’ll let the public know about the two of you before then, as long as you’re okay with it. She makes a plan to have a pretty simple announcement post on the Fletching account the Chairman insisted every gym leader have.
The post itself? Her favorite picture her Rotophone caught of the two of you in the Wild Area, with you two playing with your pokemon. She added a caption that alluded to the two of you being together, and then just watched as people tried to figure it out. She stated outright that you two were together in a followup post the next day.
Piers
He has a show in Wyndon, paid for by the Chairman. This one’s a lot bigger than the ones in Spikemuth, and for good reason, it’s a holiday. And for some Arceus-forsaken reason, the Chairman wants him to perform. Well, you know, it’s the perfect time to debut that new song he wrote. The one he wrote about you and your relationship. He doesn’t tell anyone he’s doing it, it’s going to be in the middle of the set. The people playing the music know what to play, but they don’t know what the lyrics are, just that it’s gentler than the rest of the set.
And when he performs it, he makes sure to keep his eyes on you the whole time. He doesn’t realize it, but Marnie went up to take over the lights so she could get light directly on you too. So everyone knows this song is about you. And it’s really good too, but most people don’t pay 100% attention to it until the next day. Wherein it goes viral almost immediately. Good thing he’s taking a day off to relax after that show.
Marnie
Step one: Tell Piers. That’s the hardest part, but at least he already knows you. Marnie asked you to come over for dinner with her and Piers one night, though this was going to be a late, quick post-show dinner. Always was. She took you to pick up some takeaway and you followed her backstage and into her brother’s dressing room. He smiled when he saw you and sat with the two of you while Marnie passed out the food.
You and Piers talked about how well Marnie was doing as gym leader while you ate. Then, Marnie shushed Piers. “Hey, shut up a sec, I got somethin’ to tell ya.” She grabbed your hand, holding it where he could see. “Me an’ (Y/N) have been datin’. Couple weeks now, figured you should know.” And, well… Looks like he already knew. He just snorted and smiled, “Long as they make keep you happy.”
Now, for everyone else? They’ll find out through Piers making a song about you two. He can’t help himself, you two are cute and he got inspired. Team Yell won’t help either, they’ll be going absolutely bonkers about you two. Which means the public knows without her even making an announcement.
At least they’re more annoyed at Team Yell.
Raihan
Third date. He took a selfie with you on your third date, and pretty much from then on, people knew about your relationship. And really, did you expect any different? You’re lucky he waited until the third date! Your entire relationship was posted about. Maybe not in the moment, but he was absolutely gushing about you pretty often. Which meant it was hard for people to not know.
He’ll relax with it if you want him to. Otherwise, full steam ahead!
Leon
He’ll wait until after you two have really started being in a steady relationship, maybe even until you two move in together. He doesn’t want to announce it too early, because he knows how his fans can be. If they think you’re just with him for the clout, they’ll attack you. If you two break up, they’ll attack you. Really, his fans should be better than this!
That said, he will wait until he’s sure you two are staying together for a good long time. He’ll make the post with a picture of you playing with Hop and his Wooloo, commenting on how the two people who mean most to him are getting along so well. And he’ll stay online the rest of the day, answering questions his fans have and making sure they understand that you two are not just together for the status. If you’re cool with it, he’ll even post a picture later of him giving you a kiss.
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parf-fan · 5 years
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Followup: Blackfryars!
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As always, visit the Faire’s website for headshots
Estelle Angrist :  Millicent Goodnestone – Apprentice Stone-Carver 
Inside every stone is a piece of art, so says Millicent. All you need to do is listen to the rock and take away the unnecessary pieces. Now, the artistry comes in the patience with which one removes the extra bits of stone. Patience, hammer, chisel, and a light touch are all that are required. Otherwise, a good piece of stone can become a dust pile very quickly. Thank goodness today is a festival day, because Millicent has been sweeping piles of dust for a while.
Alessandra Appiotti :  Bernadette Albright – Matchmaker 
The shire is being visited by the World’s most famous Bachelorette: Queen Elizabeth! If Bernadette can find the one for Queen Elizabeth, she will go from rising star to full-on supernova! She’d better get started lining up eligible bachelors! Or Bachelorettes! She hasn’t met Her Majesty yet, so who is she to judge her tastes?
Andréa Barton :  Lady Blanche Parry – Lady in Waiting 
This devoted Lady has served the Queen from the time our monarch was in nappies! They are boon companions, sharing court life and all its intrigue and frivolity. While she may look like the marzipan on the cake, her skilled organization of the Queen’s library and fondness for a good jest keeps her wit sharp enough to cut like a knife. Just ask the fool that attempts to play with her heart strings or guitar strings!
Kristin Bauer :  Frances Newton, Lady Cobham – Lady in Waiting
Lady Cobham is thrilled to be on progress with the Queen. After all, this busy mother needs some time with the Ladies. With her soft nature and quick smile, she can often times be found with the children of the Shire, telling stories, rhymes, riddles, and playing games. Her sense of mirth does not leave her without a streak of mischief, as she does love to put her finger in the pot, give it a stir, and see what happens! Naughty or Nice? You be the judge!
Lauralette Bernard :  Tolly Muneford – Harbor Master 
Nothing comes in or out of the shores of Mount Hope that Tolly doesn’t know about. Her web of knowledge reaches far and wide, and she does it all in the service of the Shire. If only she wasn’t so keen on sharing all this knowledge with literally everyone, she might be able to use it for personal gain.
Jennifer Blackwell-Yale :  Emily O. Bales – Fire Brigade 
It has been 15 years since a monarch last visited the Shire of Mount Hope. Coincidentally, it has also been 15 years since the last fire in the shire of Mount Hope. Emily is always ready for action, but no one is quite sure she would know exactly what to do should action arise. When in doubt: stop, drop, roll, and have some wine. It seemed to work out just fine for the Old Dun Cow!
Karen Rose Bitzer :  Rosie DuLait – Milkmaid 
This milkmaid typically spends her day milking the cows and goats on the farm; carefully churning the butter; separating the curds from the whey; making the precious cheese to sell at market; all the time, singing and talking to her fine, generous, milk-laden friends! Is it any wonder that Rosie’s dairy products are highly sought for their sweet, creamy nature? It is even said that her happy cows seem to prance in the fields, as if dancing to a jig. Is that even possible? With Rosie, one never knows! Today she was up early: the Queen is expected and she wants to offer the sweetest cream and the finest butter to lay upon the Queen’s table.
Tabitha Borges :  Abigail Montgomery – Governess to the Lady Mayor 
Abigail has always had a way with children, and has taken care of all the Lady Mayor’s progeny, which means she is quite resilient! Of the many duties, trials, and tribulations the Penburthys have put her through, her favorite activity is still telling stories, and she is a masterful storyteller. Now that the Penburthy children, Calvin, Penelope, and Danforth, have all grown up, she is experiencing Empty Nest Syndrome far more than Delores is!
Elizabeth Burkholder :  Paraffin Dyson – Bellows-Mender
Paraffin is a fan. She is a fan of fans. Her bellows will blow you away, that’s how big of a fan she is. Sometimes she can be a bit of a blowhard, but usually she can play it cool. And yet, even the coolest of bellows-menders may have a difficult time not having a meltdown with our Queen on the Shire. Time will tell if Paraffin maintains her composure or has a blowout, but one thing is for sure; she will certainly enjoy this festival day!
Jasmine Crist :  Mary Robin Richland – Shire Ne'er-Do-Well 
Every shire has one, ours is Mary Robin! While good-natured and always seen with a smile, it is known that one must keep a hand on your purse and an eye on your goods, for you may come up short when the back side of Mary Robin you see! Slight of hand, quick of feet, and always with a jest to share, it is her good nature and sharp wit that keeps her just on this side of the law, for now! It has been heard that she has high aspirations, but for what? Ask her, she may or may not share!
Ashley Crowther :  Ira Roth – Actuary 
Everyone’s heard of mad scientists, but a mad actuary? That’s much rarer. If you stare at numbers all day long, apparently they start staring back. Eventually, everything starts to look like a ledger, and you can see the numbers everywhere. Sure... that adds up...
Josh Dorsheimer :  Jakob Werner – Landsknecht
Professional mercenaries fight the wars of the Kings of Europe. Professionals like Jakob. He does his level best to never think about any of that, though! He would rather spend his time gallivanting around town, spending his hard-won gold on drink, friends, and frivolity. The oldest of the family, Jakob is sometimes mistaken as the decision-maker of the clan. While he won’t outright deny this, the three siblings all know who really calls the shots: their baby sister!
Elisia Freeman :  Agnes Lambourne – Apple-Monger 
Apple cider, apple butter, apple sausage, apple crisp, apple cake.... Just ask this happy-go-lucky lady what you can do with all those apples, and she will tell you! Be prepared, her list is LONG! Apple juggling, apple carving, apple tossing, apple dicing, apple bocci. Do not be fooled, she knows that man does not live by apples alone; everyone knows you need a little cinnamon and a lot of laughter!
Corey Graff :  Wagner Werner – Landsknecht
Wagner travels all over Europe fighting battles with his brother and sister for one reason: he loves them both dearly. Honestly though, he would much rather be laying down in a meadow watching butterflies. Sometimes suffering from middle child syndrome, Wagner’s gadabout ways certainly make life interesting for all the Werner siblings.
Steve Hager :  Rip Skeleton – Gravedigger 
There are two things certain in this world: Death, and Taxes – and Rip ain’t no accountant. Its always nice to have a friendly face build your final resting place.
Jeremiah Halteman :  Ronald P. Eversmeyer – Yeoman Guard 
They say history is written by the victors. Ronald has every intention of ensuring that our good Queen’s name goes down in the history of the world as the greatest victor of them all! He is always prepared to put himself between Her Majesty and danger, wherever it comes from, in whatever form it takes, and at any personal sacrifice! His extensive training in the art of personal security has rendered him one of the elite of the yeoman guard; as long as Her Majesty is not attacked from the air. Unfortunately, Ronald has a fear of butterflies. Something about the wings just throw off his rhythm, but no worries....butterflies in Mount Hope? Never!!
Jonathan Heise :  Sir John Giffard of Chillington, Minister of Parliament, Knight – Nobleman 
This Minister of Parliament felt it his duty to be present during the Queen’s progress at Mount Hope. Concerned that perhaps this tiny village would not be up to the task of hosting our Queen, he would be quick to move the festivities to Chillington. Upon arrival he realized his foolish mistake; never had he seen such a shire, and thought perhaps ‘twas time to move Chillington to Mount Hope! However, for now, why not enjoy the festivities?
Brianna E. Holmes :  Mary Hill, Lady Cheke – Lady in Waiting 
This gentlewoman of the Privy Chamber is well loved by all. Her husband, John Cheke, a gentleman of the court, encourages her in her service of the Queen. The Queen has blessed them often with gifts, grants, and an estate or two. Even at this show of opulence, Lady Cheke takes it all in stride. She finds joy in the simple things in life; her children, her rose garden, and her love of arachnids. Their homes, their legs, and loving little eyes; can you ever have enough? I think NOT says Lady Cheke.
Anastasia Keno :  Louise Weaver – Shepherdess
A diligent if mischievous shepherdess, Louise has a passion for all things fluffy! Why should sheep be the only animals allowed to graze free? Let the cats graze free! Let the puppies graze free! Let the mice graze free! Free the animals! Sorry... she can be very passionate.
Jennifer Litzinger :  Cherie Piquant – Spice Merchant 
If the first pinch of salt is free, be prepared to pay dearly for everything else. A shrewd business woman, do not let Cherie’s smile fool you. She was born to barter, and barter she will! Well-known on the shire as the woman who can get what you need, do not be afraid to ask; as long as its cinnamon, cloves, turmeric, or cardamom, by day’s end, it will be in your kitchen. Ask for a song, and you could be in for a treat.
Dana Micciché :  Katherine Champernowne, Lady Kat Ashley – Lady in Waiting
Appointed governess, tutor, friend, and confidante, Lady Kat Ashley ensured that her Queen had all the necessary tools to rule England. Well versed in astronomy, geography, history, Latin, Spanish, Italian, and Flemish, this unassuming woman is also trained in the art of swordsmanship, axe-throwing, archery, and caber tossing! Think you know a little about a lot? Lady Kat knew it first!
Traci Mohl :  Olivia Charnwood – Huntress 
The family tradition of hunting and tracking lives on in the guise of Olivia. Like her mother and grandmother before her, ear to ground, sniffing the air; hunting prey is in her blood. Mount Hope’s finest archer, Olivia never fails to bring home the meat – just don’t ask her to cook it!! On this festival day, she plans on showing off her tracking skills by sniffing out a merry time!
Beverly Newton :  Charlotte Seaswift – Shipwright
This buoyant aquatic engineer helps keep the Harbor of Mount Hope afloat. An eye for design and a passion for innovation drive Charlotte. She knows that the fine line between sink and swim is just a patch away, and she is always ready to keep things floating on.
Jared Nocella :  Miles I. Gore – Professional Henchman 
Some people are natural born leaders. Miles is not one of those people. Miles is a natural born lackey, and he’s the best there is at being second fiddle. Always down for doing the dirty work, and he does it dirt cheap! Miles is a sidekick with a smile and has a flare for following.
Alexandra Pentz :  Dorte Werner – Kampfrau 
The youngest of the Werner siblings, but make no mistake: she is the one that keeps the family together. From designing the boys’ clothes, managing the family finances, and fighting her share of battles, she is as clever as she is dangerous. And after all that, she still has the ability to be the most mischievous of the three!
Lianna Pike :  Rosalind Anne Uxbridge – Gardener 
Rosalind has had her hands deep in dirt, up to her elbows, preparing for the Royal visit. The gardens must be perfect! Simple details like stone placement can be so critical, yet every time she plants, those chipmunks and rabbits have a feast . That is why Rosalind has a bed in all of her garden plots. She sleeps in a different flower bed each night. Thank goodness the festival is finally here, she can finally get out of the beds and enjoy the beauty of her work with the rest of the shirefolk.
Nicolas Rainville :  Grayson Thomas Hemplewhite – Squire to the Master of Horse, Sir Robert Dudley 
What an honor to serve the horse that carries the saddle that seats the man who serves the Queen so closely! To say that Hemplewhite is a hard worker is putting it mildly. His work is never done. Clean the tack, muck the stall, check the hooves; not to mention ensuring that Tinker, the horse, is always sweet-smelling for his Master to ride. But today is a festival day. Tinker smells sweet, now its time for Hemplewhite to have a bit of merriment.
Jessica Reesor :  Holly Teacake – Baker 
Everyone likes sweets at a festival, and Holly has made sure the shire is stocked with confections to please any palate. Fruity, chocolatey, savory – whatever your taste, Holly has you covered! An obsessive planner, Holly loves the order of a recipe. It is a mathematical equation for pleasing people. If only everything else was that simple!
Laura Reesor :  Pearl Topstitch – Tailor 
A visionary designer with an eye for style. Never satisfied with the same-old same-old; when something works once, she’s done with it! Her appetite for new and exotic is matched only by her skill. She can look at a piece of fabric and see the hidden...pearl...of genius within. Now it is time to show off her skills to the Queen.
James Riley :  Adam Cringer – Yeoman Guard 
A newly-minted member of the Yeoman Guard following in the footsteps of his grandfather and father before him. Legend of Adam’s monster-hunting exploits have already preceded him. Now it is time to see if the man can match the Legend.
Victoria Sangston :  Dorothea Anne Heartley – Etiquette Mistress 
Today is a big day for the shire of Mount Hope, and the Lady Mayor has tasked Mistress Heartley with making sure everyone puts their best foot forward. Of course, is that the right foot or the other right foot? Joyfully surveying the shirefolk, she knows everyone will be on their best, smiling, bowing, hat tipping, formal greeting behavior – or else!
Michael Sheffield :  John Dee – Royal Astrologer
A good ruler has good advisors. Time will tell what kind of advisor John Dee will be. He says he talks to angels. Perhaps he does. Perhaps he’s just a brilliant con man. One thing is for sure – eccentric only scratches the surface of describing this stargazing man.
Jessie Smith :  Polly Lynne Pickering – Apprentice Rag-picker
Polly Lynne has been following in her mum’s footsteps for as long as she can remember. Mum does have a keen eye for bits and pieces, but Polly Lynne is impatient! When she is THE Rag-Picker, she will be much more efficient! Would anyone REALLY notice if a bit was snipped off a gown here and there? Bushes and scissors are a picker’s best friend. She has heard of the fine fabrics worn by the Nobles of the court and is hoping to snip.... errrr....snag a piece or two of those fabrics for herself!
Mary Smith :  Penelope Ann Pickering – Rag-picker 
Some call it rag-picking, but Penelope prefers to call it fabric repurposing opportunities. Opportunities abound in the shire of Mount Hope, all you have to do is look around! And look she does!! With a keen eye for bits of fabric, lace, gossip, and good will, she has a kind word for everyone and perhaps a bit of scrap for those in need; and, really, who doesn’t need a bit of scrap now and then? And now, with the training up of Polly Lynne, she’s busy busy busy! Thank goodness for the Festival. Mirth, merriment, and fabric scraps!
Evelin Stayner :  Buttercup M. Rosehips – Scullery Wench 
This young lady is happy when surrounded by a pile of dirty anything. Beginning, middle, end! That is where she finds her joy. Every day has its adventures, and they all start when the sun comes up and last throughout the day. You may find her dancing, singing, or generally making herself an asset to the Shire of Mount. Hope. Some might even call her a fledgling pillar of society; probably more like a fence post. But everybody has to start somewhere!
Katrin Stayner :  Eva Froman – Sausage Queen of the Shire 
Blessed with infinite patience, and a lithe mind to keep up with her husband. The Fromans are nouveau riche, and happy to flaunt it. Eva is the true brains of the operation. Her wurst is the best, and her husband is the best at being the worst.  [the Sausage King is being played by one of the improv directors who doubles as an independent act.]
Jordan Taft :  Dorothy "Dottie" Brooke – Lady in Waiting 
This Maid of Honor is a seasoned Lady of the court. Certainly Lady Dorothy has done it all, seen it all, and has the bodice to prove it. However, Mount Hope intrigues her. After all, it is time for her to settle down and have a family of her own, and the matchmaker of the Shire is famous throughout the land. She may leave here betrothed, or at least,with several good prospects. Love is in the air, or, is that TURKEY???
Robyn Thompson :  Fiona Erin O'Donald – Personal Foot Post of the Lady Mayor 
When Fiona came to Mount Hope, the first person she met was the Lady Mayor, who had just lost her third foot post in six months. Fiona needed a job; she had no idea what a foot post was, but she knew she could do it! She is Irish after all! As it turns out, she is the best foot post the Mayor has ever had!! Messenger, she’s the Lady Mayor’s personal messenger!
Sandi Trait :  Becky Billingsly – Town Crier and Lady Mayor’s Official Letter-Opener 
Becky Billingsly, the voice of the shire, knows full well the weight her proclamations carry. As Official Letter Opener for the Lady Mayor, she is at the forefront of all the news that is news in the shire. Of course, nothing beats today’s happenings! The young Queen makes her way to the gates of Mount Hope. How thrilling to share her news and tidings with the court of her Majesty!
Ariel E. Urich :  Kathryn Bridges – Lady in Waiting 
This Maid of Honor is on her first progress with the Queen. She has lived her entire life in training for this very time and now that it is here, she realizes that something is missing. She knows how to carry the cup with grace and style; the basket is a simple matter; smiling at the proper time, sitting, standing. So, what is the problem? She has this deep desire to make people laugh! So far, she has shared a bit of her talent with the Ladies of the Court, but perhaps this small shire is where she can be a bit more free with her jests and merriment. Oh, the festival day could not get here soon enough!
Brianna Yale :  Lydia der Schlachter – Butcher 
Leaving home to work for the Fromans was a tough decision but one she is happy she made. Butchering brings her such delight. From the time she begins to sharpen her blade to the beauty of well-cut chop, this butcher knows her way around a slab of beef, pork, and lamb. However, never ask her for a capon! She has been squeamish since the capon incident of 1552. Enough of that! This is a festival day, and she plans on celebrating with the shire folk and perhaps even catching a glimpse of the new Queen.
Darrell E. Yoder :  Sylvan Farelight – Tinker
If it needs mending, this is the man to do it. If it needs replacing, step right up, he has it. If you need a bit of magic in your life, having Sylvan on the streets ensures that your needs will be met! Always popular when he arrives on shire; Sylvan can be counted on to share a bit of news from afar; a bit of wisdom from within; and a bit of magic from, well, from where magic comes from!
To the newcomers, welcome!  To those returning, welcome back!
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I’m gonna start blogging my daily videogame adventures, maybe...
Today I did more farming of 1.X bosses. I started off killing Commander Ashutang and got his unique design bow, though it’s nothing special. I really want the dagger that’s bigger than most swords that he drops.
I killed the kerub guardians for another rep of [alliance: into eternity]. After the disappointment that was Disregard’s reward from Gorgos’ Loot, I’m determined to keep farming. This time I’m completing it on Cooper and an alt from another account simultaneously. Part of me thinks maybe it’ll get easier in 6.0, but an equal part fears Zapiel’s gang will get deleted with the Heiron rescaling or something like that.
Rifts were up in Eltnen, so I sent Cooper, together with Sakuya as a looter, over to Morheim to explore the mist-mane village. I’d never really been there on characters high enough to ignore aggro, so I had a good time learning the layout better instead of my normal running in terror. I had no idea there was a wind spirit boss just like eltnen has Raging Krater! I downed Chieftain Nuaka and got some gloves. It seemed a bit too easy that he’s alone on a roof, no adds, no aggros, but as neat as I thought that was, Grand Chieftain Kasika made up for that a little later.
The path to Kasika was a lot more atmospheric than the dark red haze that is getting to saendukal. Upon arriving at her alter, I heard the battle music was an epic opera choir chanting remix of the normal battle music - it got me hype, but I was equally un-hyped when I learned that all 30 monsters in the surrounding area aggro you when you attack Kasika. I died to level 40 mobs :| ... 1 self-res stone and 24 mobs later, I started up Kasika and had a nice easy tank n spank, except that she’s ranged and wouldn’t go where I wanted her to go. AT 75% she started spawning clones a good distance away, and some of them were aggroing Sakuya, so the fight became a “fun” game of “aggro all the adds then hide behind a pot so they have to run closer to get line of sight then AOE them down, tab clients, heal Sakuya, tab back and DPS some more.” She does a paralyze skill just like Saendukal, but I wasn’t paying much attention so I don’t know if there’s a followup skill. Her death rewarded me with a hauberk. What is with me and getting hauberk drops? >.< I want her extendy sword to match Disregard’s Divine Dragon Blade, but farming her is a pain in the ass. I sent some kisks to Cooper so he can stay camped there till I get a sword drop or till 6.0 deletes it all, and still leave for weekly instances and kumuki event I got sick of HardGay taking 50 years to kill bosses in the Kumiki Cave, so I upgraded his weapon from lv55 mythic questbow to spinel coin bow. Not many kroban accs on the broker, so i’ll have to remember to send the ones I get on Cooper and Disregard this week over to him as upgrades.
I wonder what the evening holds for me?
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2centsofsilver · 7 years
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10/17/17
Last night after blogging that thing about L, I had a dream about her. She was present in my life. She had come back. It was like, I opened the door, and she was standing there with a smile. And she was talking to me and we were talking. We were getting ready to go somewhere or do something. It was a dream of great peace and clarity. Woke up sad. I had a dream several nights ago with her friend C in it too. I was over at someone’s house and I took her to the side and was like, “Can I talk to you???” And she sort of gave an “Ok fine” reply and took me into a side bedroom behind the kitchen. I was like, “What is going on???” And she said something to the effect of, “Lisa doesn’t want you to talk to her anymore. She doesn’t want you in her life anymore.” And I asked her why. And she was reluctant to tell me, but sort of did tell me, but I don’t remember the reason or it was vague, I’m not sure. And then she had to get back to her party because she had guests over. ---- Today while I was paying my parking meter on 1st St, I literally got attacked by a squirrel. I’ll talk about it later, but it was sort of traumatic. --- Today I had therapy at 3:30pm. It started out in the waiting room with me telling Amy I was attacked by a squirrel and asking whether I needed to get a rabies shot LOL. She said no, it didn’t break skin, etc. What a way to bring myself into therapy. Lately in therapy, she’s been getting a comprehensive, ongoing Hx and last time we got through my first ever major loss in life: Band. We had ended session with it and she was taken back by how significant the loss and said we’d pick up there next time. But I came in today really needing help with the present. She asked me how I was and I told her I was really stressed and amidst a giant financial crisis of having completely run out of money in both my checking and savings account. That led to me sort of blabbing about how I need a job/don’t have one/cancelled my interview this morning because: Domino Effect - I didn’t sleep last night because: Domino Effect- I was writing about Lisa. I backtracked and told her how the new job emailed saying that they can’t take me on anyway if I don’t have Thursday availability. Domino Effect- I told Amy that I signed up for an art class during that exact shift at the A2 Art Center on Thursdays because: Domino Effect- I deferred from school and just wanted to be happy and help my depression, so I thought I had done something good, which was sign up for an art class. Had I not done that, I could have taken this job, but how was I supposed to know? Additionally- Domino Effect, I told 3 employers I have open availability on Wednesdays, but Domino Effect, I am now in a class created by my therapist called Hungerwise which runs every Wednesday for the next 9 weeks. This is a really crucial class to help cure my depression in the next year of my deferment.  Then I talked a lot about being possibly depressed from my benzos or maybe from being used to loss; basically told her that I was emotionally flat/emotionless during a time that I otherwise never would be: Loss of Lisa. I told her how it didn’t make sense that I wouldn’t be in deep pain grieving this, but I talked about how I’m not experiencing any emotions at all including happiness or the ability to concentrate/absorb experiences and information. I also told her how I haven’t gone grocery shopping in 2 months, don’t eat what I buy, eat out twice a day for the last 2 months, have run out of money because of it, am always hungry, and never sleep/sleep all day. Despite how it sounds, I was actually quite organized while I explained all this to her. She was following really well. I really like Amy because she stops me and asks relevant questions that make me think and they always help me understand and connect A-B-C-D-E-F-G, etc. History and Present. Trauma and Behavior. She’s slightly psychodynamic, but I think it’s working because she’s contemporary in her approach and integrative. She uses the Family Systems Model which is proving quite beneficial. It’s where we work on identifying emotions and assign ages to those emotions. For example: How did it feel when M texted me about L and “Company Members. If you had to put a single emotion to that, what would it be?” I struggled to think of an emotion. She listed some off, one being “Scared.” I thought about it, then agreed. Wholeheartedly agreed. “Yes, I felt really really scared,” I said. And then she sometimes will ask, “If you had to put an age to that emotion, what age does it feel to experience that emotion for you?” I usually really struggle with this question, but usually it’s an age from childhood. She didn’t ask me that for this scenario today, but if I had to choose an age for how “Scared” I felt after that encounter, I would pick, maybe 16 or 17 because it was a reasonable, complex fear laced with “What If” fears and mental racing in considering numerous factors, etc., but oftentimes, I’ll say “Age 7 or 8″ when she asks me for other things. We talked a lot about the “Company Members” thing and how much that brief text exchange has fucked me up since it happened. We talked about my desire to want to “Report” things- how I often feel scared/in trouble when I’m innocent and feel like I need help from someone of power, like a social worker, or my dad as a lawyer. She asked me why that is and I told her I think it has something to do with my parents always getting me out of everything when I was a child. I told her how even if I fought all this, it would be a losing battle, because it’s hard to prove mental health as a medical condition, etc. I also told her my HEART is not in “The Company” - and went into an organized description of how much I oppose ABA and how much I hated my job there and why I chose to reapply. And then she asked me some questions about why I want to prove so badly that I’m a person of value. She asked some questions about H and I answered. She’s a really, really good therapist. We’ve accomplished so much in the 10 sessions I’ve seen her so far. She ended up ending session by asking me a really hard, comprehensive question that she wants me to think about and said we could talk more about next time. It was a thought she had: Do I notice a pattern in my emotions and actions for each and every time all these individuals have “left me” and do any of these people have anything in common. I said yes to the pattern, that it’s always the same, and no to them having things in common. I said the only thing in common is that I thought these people were the coolest people ever and wanted them to like me, I wanted to feel included, and I wanted to be just like them. She then asked the broader comprehensive question of, would I compare my lifespan problems with my parents (attachment to abandonment- Child through Present Day) to the patterns of these short-lasting relationships with friends who have “left.” I thought about it. I told her it’s really hard to compare 26 years with anywhere from 3 months to 2 year friendships. But I ultimately said maybe, “Because my parents don’t love me anymore.”  --- After therapy today, I got a lot of things done on my To-Do List. A lot of really important things. I bought cold wax medium from Michael’s for my class, ordered art supplies online for overnight delivery, returned my textbook and mailed my Aetna reimbursement form at the post office, went into a book store asking for books on Portland (spontaneous and unplanned; it was like something led me in there), went to the library on Stadium -- really nice inside! -- to print my NR 401k paperwork for cash-out, fax my Recipient Rights certificate for my current job, and print more Aetna forms. I also got coffee at Sweetwater’s at the library which made me feel happy. I think the wind and changing weather had something to do with my desire to walk into that bookstore and feel cozy with coffee and my dream. Reevaluate whether I’m on the right road here in A2. I got GTPC too. It was a really productive day. --- Tomorrow I have my SEED followup for Integrative Health with Deb. My friend Kara is going, but unfortunately Alyssa and Kaylee aren’t going. I don’t think Savannah will be on campus because she has a meeting for Field. I might have lunch with Amanda after, but then I have to catch the bus and go out to Plymouth Rd for a massage with a new girl named Maggie.  Then Thursday, I have my art class in the morning, possibly an interview, and am hanging out with Max, Gabe, Logan, and maybe Savannah in the evening. I am hoping to hang out with Erin again soon and Lindsey too. It feels good that all these people are inviting me to do things, rather than the other way around. I still don’t know where I am though. I feel like I’ve just been dropped into white space. --- Peace, Love, Happiness. 1:09AM
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re: “this is not a eulogy” by rosza daniel lang/levitsky
I’m thinking a lot about this series of posts, and how much it has to offer about the current state of accountability politics. I’m thinking a lot about what it means to exist within social circles at all (an inevitability & also a despondency). I heard about Bryn’s suicide but I never knew her. I started to read this piece, or maybe I read a few parts of it, by her once: Other Balms, Other Gileads. But this particular series of posts was spurred by Sarah Schulman’s eulogy at Bryn’s memorial service but takes as its crystallization point Schulman’s latest nonfiction work, Conflict is Not Abuse. I just barely read some sentences here and there in Schulman’s eulogy, but already I feel that it is patronizing and I feel like I could say a lot more, I could read the whole thing, but I’m too exhausted already. I tried to start reading Conflict is Not Abuse recently, after both eagerly anticipating the work and being anxious about it. I felt so frustrated by the first few pages, but my thoughts remain a constellation of half-hearted disavowals. One of the things I appreciate about these posts by Rosza Daniel Lang/Levitsky is that they don’t shy away from using gossip, unfinished readings, and other kinds of social knowledge as a worthy, valid basis for writing. 
I don’t really know how to explain what I’m feeling or thinking right now, but I knew I needed to post about this. A few years ago I would have been able to write so much about this, but I wouldn’t have had the same perspective, and that’s okay. Now, again, I am too exhausted. I just. This whole thing speaks to me and means something to me that is incredibly important. I want to move beyond the false dichotomy of endorsement vs. disavowal, but I also want to explicitly reify that any feeling is indubitably political.
I really wish tumblr would let me reblog things the old way, but since it doesn’t and since I really want to include all of the text of these posts in one big post here, I’ve copied and pasted instead of reblogging:
umruik:
edit/note: (because i’m told direct links to this are circulating more widely) folks arriving from other parts of the internets may be interested in this bit of followup after reading the piece.
so much for anonymity. it’s been fun. this would be obnoxious to post without my name attached, though, so here it is. feel free to quote from this, or repost it, but please leave my name attached.
rosza daniel lang/levitsky
this is not a eulogy.
i’m still not ready to memorialize, to praise, to honor, to do much of anything besides sit with my rage at bryn’s absence. to talk quietly with it, cry on its shoulder, see how much of it is about her (the burning knowledge that i never get to collaborate with her again, the disquieting itch of half-conversations and unresolved questions, the sharp conviction that she knew exactly what she is putting us through) and how much about the world (the large world that wants us both dead, the pocket-sized world that we shared many parts of over many years)…
i’m writing this as part of all that - as a way of continuing a conversation that i began with bryn more than a year ago and looked forward to carrying on.
it’s partly sparked by a eulogy for bryn that i did not hear delivered and do not intend to read, written by sarah schulman. now, as far as i know, schulman was a good friend to bryn (and certainly in some ways a closer one than me over the past year or two). i’m going to say nothing - because i know nothing - about their relationship.
what i am going to talk about, however, is the ways in which schulman’s recent and current intellectual project is a direct attack on models for dealing with intimate partner violence and sexual assault outside the police/court/prison system. models which current feminist organizers (many of them dykes and trans women) have developed on the groundwork laid by feminist organizing in the 1960s-80s (black & latina feminist organizing in particular) and the transformative justice projects that began after the cooptation of earlier ‘anti-violence’ efforts.
models which bryn turned to for support in her life - with imperfect success, but far more effect than she could have achieved through turning to the police and courts.
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(note: what follows will include talking pretty bluntly about abusive relationships, physically violent and otherwise, though no detailed descriptions of their results.)
(also note: i’m not including anything here that has not been in fairly wide online or gossip circulation at one time or another; how much will be new or surprising to you depends more than anything else on how long you’ve been in certain spaces.)
(also also note: i write long; the sting is usually in the tail. there are notes at the bottom; they’re expansions and comments, not trails to sources, which are cited in the text.)
(also also also note: just in case, here’s a tl;dr: collective action in resistance to violence is not the same thing as state violence. to erase that distinction, to condemn responses to violence as attacks, or to reframe abuse as ‘conflict’ “pretends that there are two equal sides, with equal power and equal legitimacy who can engage in equal debate” as if the past has not happened. and, really, can we white folks just stop with the carceral fake-feminism already?)
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in bryn’s words, “on July 19th, 2009, Scott Loren Moore, one of the lead editors of Trans Bodies/Trans Selves, smacked me around pretty bad. At the time he was my boyfriend, and what occurred on this night was part of a larger pattern of intimate partner abuse.” [note: there are photos through this link] friends of hers tried, in not particularly coordinated ways, to communicate with moore and encourage others who knew him to as well. the aim (as one of us put it) was: “to call him out, to dialogue with him, to let him know how domestic violence is hurtful. …send the message that he is not welcome in your community until he has dealt with the fact that he has been violent with this romantic partners and until he is no longer a threat to anyone.” and, ultimately, to push him to serve as model of changing behavior “so that other people in your community can learn that violence against women is unacceptable.” [source]
as usually happens in these situations, moore did not respond with any change in his behavior; he simply shifted his social group of (mainly) trans men and cis women a few degrees to avoid any social consequences for his violence. i don’t know whether his decision to change his last name from krywanczyk to moore was part of that evasive maneuver as well; it happened at about the same time.
bryn wrote the post i quoted in response to moore putting himself forth as the public face of Trans Bodies, Trans Selves during a major fundraising campaign for the book in 2013. bryn’s post, understated as it was, inspired a great deal of pressure on the board of directors at Trans Bodies, Trans Selves to not have a known abuser as their fundraising figurehead. in two days, the board announced that moore (who was given the protection of anonymity in their statement) was “stepping down from his role in the fundraising campaign” because they “stand with victims of abuse”. [source] {note1}
this is a bigger success than it may seem. moore still claims on his facebook page and various websites to be “the editor” (not co-editor, mind you - on a massive project with 27 text editors and a trans woman as the credited primary editor on amazon) and even the “author” of TBTS. but googling his name and the title gets you bryn’s original post on the first results page, and eight supporting posts in the 22 total results shown. he is, like few other responsible parties, clearly and publically attached to the results of his violence.
if moore should decide to “deal with the fact that he has been violent with his romantic partners”, to alter his behavior, to serve as a visible model of change for others responsible for past abuse, he will no longer find this part of his past to hamper his social and professional life - if it even does so now. there are of course exceptions - i myself, having seen bryn’s injuries firsthand, am not likely to be willing either to share space with moore or to allow him to leave a room quietly - but non-profit organizations are notoriously more forgiving of bloody hands than trans dykes.
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so why am i telling this long and not exactly cheerful story?
because a prominent person with whom i share circles of involvement in political and cultural work, as well as some social landscapes, has made it her main intellectual project for quite some time now to attack exactly this approach to dealing with violence (especially intimate partner violence and sexual assault) within our communities. because that person’s work is pretty broadly accepted with uncritical adulation by a surprisingly wide swathe of queer, trans, and feminist folks in my various worlds. because i’m not hearing a lot of actual examination of the implications of this intellectual project for the important ongoing work of developing and refining practices for responding to violence and other forms of harassment, attack, and abuse without resorting to the police/court/prison system.
because that person has made much of her close ties to bryn, and this story illustrates perfectly precisely what and who this intellectual project sets out to attack.
in case it isn’t clear, i’m talking about sarah schulman here. schulman is a writer whose novels were (and remain) very important to me as a queer new yorker deeply shaped by ACT UP and the Lesbian Avengers, as a jewish radical from a left family, as a dyke who started spending time on the lower east side in the early 1990s. {note 2} i’m kinda surprised to find myself aiming some pretty sharp criticism at her current work. to give credit where it’s due, my analysis here is rooted in a number of conversations with my friend and comrade mal rehberger, who pushed me to think more and harder about schulman’s current project and its relationships to other attacks on collective resistance to violence. {note 3}
the part of schulman’s work that has come in for some (mainly indirect) critique has been her participation in the current professorial moral panic around the mythic figures of the “over-sensitive student”, the “complaining student”, and the “censoring student”. schulman has aligned herself strongly with the fomentors of that panic - the set of allegedly progressive tenured professors in the u.s. (jack halberstam, most vocally) who believe that students may only have needs and make critiques within the limits of the syllabi their instructors create. the best concise analysis of this whole vein of thinking comes about halfway through sara ahmed’s essay Against Students (where my list of mythic evil student-types comes from), which goes on to point out how this anti-student position fits in perfectly with administrators’ and faculty members’ refusal of accountability for (male) faculty or students around sexual harassment. i’m going to focus on the other side of that coin.
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not long after bryn and her friends’ efforts around moore’s role at Trans Bodies, Trans Selves, in a series of conversations on facebook in 2014 (i’ll cite them by date) schulman repeatedly returns to a few sentences from her 2009 book on familial homophobia. she presents it as the key seed of her analysis around community responses to sexual assault and sexual harassment, calling it “my favorite line” [4/22/14].
the line reads: “Group shunning is an active form of harassment. ….And it’s at the core of all kinds of negative groups, and the founding principle of fascism.” [6/14/14] schulman makes it clear that this analysis is at the heart of her current project in a later post on her forthcoming book: “It’s about how intolerance of difference, overreaction and overstatement of harm are used to justify gross injustices ranging from group bullying and shunning to incarceration and occupation. I show how bad groups (couples, friends, communities, families, nations, peoples) employ bonding by bullying as a shallow definition of loyalty instead of helping each other negotiate and resolve conflict through authentic relationships of depth.” [7/20/14]
now, this may sound sensible enough on first read. who doesn’t want authentic, deep relationships? and who doesn’ want to condemn bullying? but notice how “friends” and “communities” “shunning” an individual person swiftly slide into “nations” incarcerating millions and occupying colonized territories by military force. and looking at how schulman describes what she means in more practical ways makes it very clear that she does equate collective action taken against concrete situations of interpersonal violence - the kind of support which bryn received - with state violence from above against all manner of targets.
schulman writes: “next time I hear a terrible thing about someone, I will ask them first. Guaranteed there is much more to it, more than I can possibly imagine without asking.” [3/29/14] not only must whatever explanation someone like moore offers be taken seriously, they must be provided “a forum where accused people can address their specificities and express how they experience and understand events - and even more importantly, confirm what those events actually are.” [11/1/14]
i - like many friends of bryn’s - spoke with moore in the days and weeks after he injured her. he used all the usual rhetorical tactics of abusive partners and sexual assaulters. in sara ahmed’s words (from the same facebook thread in which schulman described her book project), he “narrated [his abuse] as being about conflict between parties… presented [himself] as 'in conflict’ with existing or prevailing social norms… presenting [himself] as having to defend [his] right to exist.” [7/21/14] this attempt to do exactly as schulman insists he should, to redefine “what those events [his assault on bryn] actually are”, was not surprising. it was hugely predictable. and it is precisely what schulman’s approach - like that of the u.s. court system - is structured to invite: a reframing of abuse (in this case, physical attack) as “conflict”.
that redefinition - the key first step in discrediting women who report sexualized violence - is precisely what a collective response like the one that began after moore’s attack on bryn is structured to avoid. this approach (a standard one for decades in these kinds of accountability processes, and in the transformative/reparative/restorative justice movements) combines a call for active communication with the responsible person with a refusal to allow him to reframe the discussion. as the open letter to moore i quoted earlier puts it, his “regrets”, “emotional wounds”, and explanations for his violently abusive behavior do not change or justify that behavior. and that behavior means he should have “no place in any anti-oppression communities… until he has dealt with the fact that he has been violent with his romantic partners” and taken “some public accountability for the escalating abusive behavior” of the previous two years.
this is the “group shunning” that schulman describes as “vigilanteism, rumor mills, group psychosis, group bullying, scapegoating” [11/1/14] and more recently as “brutality” [11/16/2015] and calls “the founding principle of fascism”: a group of friends relying on the weak tools of moral suasion to pressure someone to “become capable of dealing with [his] emotions in a way that doesn’t involve violence or verbal assaults”, and inviting others to “dialogue with him” with that goal. and, after four years, making this history of abuse and refusal to take responsibility known to people who placed him in a position of prestige within a supposedly community-oriented project. this is the “active harassment” that schulman equates with mass incarceration and colonial occupations.
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let me step back a moment, and consider the possibility that schulman might make an exception to her condemnation of collective action, and consider the “friends, communities” around bryn somehow not a “bad group” using “a shallow definition of loyalty”. if so, what does schulman suggest we ought to have done? she’s very explicit: “when there is a real actual crime that should be a crime, and a person goes to the state so that there will be fair and open adjudication, then justice is better served than through rumor and whisper.” [11/1/14]
this is where i find schulman’s whole line of thinking most mind-boggling. when on earth - in what single moment - would justice have been served at all, let alone well, had bryn gone to the NYPD?
when she was harassed and misgendered while making a complaint? when she was arrested alongside (or instead of) moore, since the NYPD has a mandatory arrest policy for 'domestic violence’ calls, and his claims of mutual assault would have been heard and honored? when an anonymous, unaccountable grand jury under the control of a district attorney decided whether moore should even be prosecuted? when her entire sexual history, HIV status, trans identity, and whatever other aspects of her life moore’s lawyer chose to dig into were repeatedly dragged through court? when moore’s ivy league education, wealthy background, nonprofit-consultant entrepreneurship, and male privilege were deployed in a he-said she-said presentation against her working-class background, interrupted formal education, DASA-supported personal economy, and life as a trans woman artist? or, in the so-called 'best case’ result, if moore was actually convicted and became one more trans body engulfed by the u.s. prison system? without, of course, having in any way to admit responsibility for his actions or take any steps to change his future behavior.
alongside schulman’s embrace of the carceral model {note 4}, i’ll take the results of “rumor and whisper” any day, if we’re talking about serving justice.
to be clear: schulman’s account of what to do “when there is a real actual crime that should be a crime” came in the context of a conversation not about intimate partner violence, but about rape and sexual assault, where the effects of “going to the state” are even worse for the women involved, and even less likely to result in the carceral 'best case’ scenario. in that conversation, her next comment was that “the perfect McCarthyite example” {note 5}, “could easily be extrapolated” from the public attention given to jian gomeshi when the open secret of his many sexual assaults on and routine sexual harassment of the women around him became fully public.
here, again, the “rumor and whisper” that schulman condemns are clearly visible for what they are in so many similar cases, from capitol hill to the faculty lounge: a usually uncoordinated strategy women (and queers and trans folks of all genders) use to keep each other safe from rape, sexual assault, and other forms of violence. for the gomeshi case, melissa martin describes the workings of this beautifully (and in disturbing detail, for anyone who has been part of something similar) in her article “Do You Know About Jian” (originally posted here, but now seemingly purged from the internet).
it is when that uncoordinated approach shifts, generally through individual bravery (as in the gomeshi and cosby cases, and with bryn), and becomes visible as active, collective, strategic action that for schulman it becomes “McCarthyite”. that is: when what women do to protect themselves and other women starts to work, even on the minimal level of holding one man accountable for many years of sexual assaults, it becomes identical to a decade-long reign of terror that cost thousands their livelihoods, hundreds their freedom, and a still unknown number their lives.
through all the conversations i’ve cited and more, schulman erases the difference between the violent exercise of state power and collective action from below (even at its least coordinated) in response to violence. ever since the very explicit equation of the two in the posts i’ve already quoted, she’s continued to do this quite directly - for example, by using the north carolina anti-trans 'bathroom bill’ and the recent laws aimed at suppressing the black vote as illustrations of “false accusations” and “scapegoating” [4/19/2016]. more subtle versions also appear, however. for instance, when schulman rejects the validity of criticizing germaine greer’s insistence that trans women are not women, calling the critiques “shunning” and associating them with “despisal of difference… blame and false accusation” [10/29/2015]. here, the thing to be condemned is not a prominent media figure’s endorsement of the justification for state policies attacking trans women, but criticisms of that stance made by those directly affected by the policies her words support.
schulman manages this conflation of grassroots collective action and the actions of the state, somehow, while both endorsing the use of state violence as the only ethical solution to interpersonal violence and encouraging us to prioritize the voices, feelings, and explanations of those responsible for interpersonal violence. aside from 'serving justice by going to the state’, her only suggestion of what to do in response to harm is the rather patronizing suggestion to “pick up the phone and talk to them about it. You will learn something!” [9/19/2015]. in her account of the world, people only make accusations of harm because “they don’t understand what is going on” [11/16/2015], or because “many people mischaracterize what is happening, and then respond to things that never took place.” [9/18/2015]. and, of course, the person responsible for harming them can clear everything up, if they’re only allowed the space to “sit down and communicate” [2/19/2016].
this approach is (to adopt schulman’s words on a different subject) “a theater of subjection that pretends that there are two equal sides, with equal power and equal legitimacy who can engage in equal debate.” [4/27/2016] the palestinian critique of 'dialogue’ in the context of state and social violence that schulman so eloquently summarizes here is a perfect description of the deep problems with this side of her current project.
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similarly, the story of bryn’s friends’ failed attempt to get scott moore to take responsibility for his abusive actions, and her communities’ successful attempt to make his actions have (fairly minimal) consequences for his life, to me illustrates perfectly what’s wrong with schulman’s overall view - precisely because of its absolute ordinariness and lack of large-scale impact.
this isn’t a story of the stunning success of an accountability process, or of a transformative justice project (though those stories do exist). it’s a story of the everyday reality of this work, in which things kinda go okay, in a limited way, and no one is really satisfied. but in which the person responsible for abusive violence is not handed a 'dialogue’ platform from which to rewrite his actions, a nonprofit organization belatedly does the right thing, the police are given no opportunity to harass a woman targeted for violence, and the prison system doesn’t claim another trans body.
and i’ll take that everyday reality - the one that comes from collective action - over the moral panic schulman seems bent on igniting. i don’t pretend to know why she’s pursuing this project of delegitimizing decades of movement work. {note 6} i do know that it uses the same logic and rhetoric as the right-wing (“anti-PC”) side of the 1980s and 90s culture wars ('this is oversensitivity! it’s fascism! it’s mccarthyism! you’re silencing me! there’s more to the story!’), against the same targets (young women, trans women, queers, youth of color) - and that alone should make any schulman fan start to worry.
and more than anything else, i know that i want to live in a world without police, courts, or prisons, where when someone is attacked by their lover in my community, we respond together to support the person targeted for violence and to help the person responsible to never do such a thing again. and i know that my communities’ traditions of “deep gossip” and collective action are crucial tools for that, not the seeds of fascism.
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this note is just to say that i am not going to even get into all the problems with TBTS. that would be a whole other roomful of cans of worms: the economic decisions massively at odds with the model set by their alleged model, the Boston Women’s Health Collective who created Our Bodies, Our Selves (including accepting the hideously extortionate deal oxford university press offered them, necessitating the fundraising moore was brought on to lead); the lack of sections on violence (from strangers, from blood-relatives, from partners, from clients, from co-workers, from bosses, from police, from correctional officers, from healthcare workers…) or on sex work (i mean, really?!?!); the board’s overwhelmingly cis membership… [edit: the person who wrote the post i linked to describing how a lot of this played out during her brief connection to the project asked me to take out the citation, so i have. suffice it to say: these problems were pointed out long before publication, and the responses involved all the usual kinds of demands for unpaid labor to fill gaps that shouldn’t have existed.]
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i’ve been far less impressed, I should say, by schulman’s recent foray into queer palestine solidarity politics. not by her commitment, or her enthusiasm, both of which are obvious and substantial, but by her approach of turning up late for the party and loudly deciding that it only began when she arrived. the book, Israel/Palestine and the Queer International, in which she chronicles her shift, beginning in 2006, into active participation in this work, barely hints at the decades of organizing that created the path she walked in that rather belated conversion, and developed the analysis which she relays and summarizes.
schulman makes passing mention of Kvisa Shchora / Black Laundry, the israeli queer anti-occupation group, but gives no indication of the work it did in the five years prior to her contact with one of its members. she gives even less credit - none - to the u.s. based solidarity and BDS organizing of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism (QUIT) in the bay area since 2000, and her own home city’s majority-queer Jews Against the Occupation/NYC (active 2000-2008), both groups involving ACT UP and Lesbian Avengers veterans. and that’s not to mention the many informal coalitions that have brought No Pride In Occupation and BDS contingents to pride parades across the country every year since 2000 (in nyc, frequently to both the manhattan and brooklyn parades).
nor is there mention of the consistent dyke-led opposition to israeli colonialism that has been a very visible part of the u.s. palestine solidarity movement since the 1970s. off the top of my head, limiting myself strictly to nyc-based groups with members still active in palestine solidarity organizing in nyc since schulman’s conversion (the set most easily available to schulman), i can name Di Vilde Chaya, the Jewish Women’s Committee to End the Occupation, the Human Rights Rapid Response Network supporting palestinian women held as political prisoners, the networks that enabled the palestinian gay women of Aswat to visit the u.s. in the early 00s, and the currently active affinity groups known as We Will Not Be Silent and Jews Say No.
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mal has, among other things, been my link to conversations about schulman’s recent work that have been taking place in the past few years (on tumblr and elsewhere, as well as offline) among organizers, writers, and academics. some of the folks involved who’ve been willing to have their names used in public are LJ Kadey, Rikki Reynolds, Beatrix L. McBride, and Gina de Vries. for one of the more formal results of these conversations, see sarah orem & neil simpkins’ article on trigger warnings, which is available here.
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my phrase here condenses a whole body of analysis, largely by feminists of color. for one key recent overview, see victoria law’s Against Carceral Feminism.
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interestingly, schulman cites lillian hellman’s 1934 play The Children’s Hour, whose success long pre-dated joe mccarthy’s rise to power. while a 1952 revival was seen as a critique of mccarthy and his HUAC allies, the play actually deals with homophobic false gossip and a failed attempt to get justice through the courts, rather than the repressive use of state power and violence that we associate with “mccarthyism”. using hellman’s play as “the perfect [fictional] mccarthyite example” (rather than, say, arthur miller’s 1953 The Crucible, or margarete steffin & bertold brecht’s 1947 Galileo) is yet another moment where schulman erases the difference between collective action and state power. further, hellman’s play depicts the impossibility of relying on state power to bring justice - the opposite of schulman’s recommendation.
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i don’t know, but i can guess, which i’ll do by spreading some open secrets.
first, though: i don’t write from a politics of purity, or a claim of purity. i’m writing this piece, as i said, because i think the ideas schulman’s project promotes are dead wrong and undermine important movement work. and similarly, you should agree with me because of what i’m saying, not because of who i am. which is, for clarity, someone who has crossed other people’s lines of consent as well as done work responding to these kinds of harm.
it’s pretty well-known among dykes of a certain age and social set in nyc that schulman has a pattern of stalking and harassing former lovers. i haven’t myself heard an account from someone directly targeted, but i’ve recently heard this again from a friend and organizing comrade who was told a direct account. similarly, schulman is known as one of the better living examples of the “tyranny of structurelessness” for her history of using collective processes and informal pressure to remove those not living up to her standards of lesbian purity from the Avengers and other groups.
with that history, it’s not surprising that schulman would be deeply committed to an approach that defines all abuse as 'conflict’, insists on prioritizing the accounts and views of those responsible for harassment and violence, and allows prestige and social power to do their work in obscurity. and, further, that when challenged on the ideas she vigorously promotes in her non-fiction work, she would fall back on the oldest right-wing gaslighting argument around: “I’m an artist… when I write something, I’m not claiming that it’s right.” [interview in The Guardian, 3/29/2016]
and, of course, schulman’s well-known willingness to talk to anyone who disagrees with her - but exclusively in a one-on-one setting - is a textbook strategy for avoiding public conflict and argument in which genuine challenges might emerge and need to be dealt with.
it also may be meaningful that a project schulman co-founded and in many ways still sets the tone for, the MIX Queer Experimental Film & Video Festival, has repeatedly faced crises over exactly these issues: the abuse of prestige and social power; the entanglement of the sexual and money economy within the organization; an inability to respond to sexual assaults within festival spaces. and that it has not yet developed any collective mechanisms for dealing with patterns of abuse (it remains to be seen whether current responses to the most recent such crisis will break this pattern).
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highmasc:
Rosza, can you talk more directly about how you were in conversation with Bryn about this? Because I remember when Bryn threw a a fundraiser at our house with Sarah, a year and half or more ago, there was some murmuring of protest directed at Sarah associated with you and Mal. In my memory, Bryn felt kind of threatened and intimidated. I remember you came and the two of you spoke. What did Bryn have to say to you about Sarah’s work on conflict and IPV? I’ll tell you what Bryn told me about how models for dealing with IPV in radical community in NYC had served her- she said that nothing came of it. She did not feel empowered by it. Scott just moved to a different borough and got new friends. Plenty of people besides Bryn could have noticed that he had showed up on the radar again (outside of evil TFA educator overlord land) to work on Trans Bodes Trans Selves, but it fell upon her to publicly call him out. And, as you note, he was cast as benevolently stepping down from the project. I am really interested in the conversation you and those you cite are having with/against Sarah’s work. I’ve been following it on tumblr for the past many years. I feel very much on the same page regarding trigger warnings with tumblr intellectuals.  I’m also Sarah’s friend and think that the way she engages with people, and expects to be engaged with, is potent and humanizing and informs a lot of what she’s talking about re: shunning and bullying. Bryn was honored to be Sarah’s student and friend, and she did not choose her associations lightly. Ultimately, I think it is pretty callous to prop someones experience against the work of someone that they publicly identified as a mentor. Bryn was a smart fucking lady, on that we can all agree, and I know first hand that she explicitly thought about her history with abuse and accountability processes in communities in relation to Sarah’s current projects. I don’t actually hear any conversation with Bryn, just about Bryn, over Bryn….
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umruik:
a few notes of clarification, since some of the responses to “this is not a eulogy” seem to want them…
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the piece is not a review or analysis of “Conflict Is Not Abuse”. i’m not part of the charmed circle who’ve apparently had pre-publication access to the manuscript. when the book comes out, i might read it.
the piece is an analysis and critique of lines of argument that schulman has laid out publicly over the past few years, online and in published interviews. she’s described these ideas as the core of the book; i’ve got no reason to doubt her, which is why i describe them as part of the same intellectual project as the book. but in my writing, i’m dealing with - and taking seriously - those arguments and positions as they stand.
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i use the account of bryn’s attempt to bring a degree of accountability to scott moore as part of that critique for a number of reasons.
one is that it’s a particularly good example (out of the many similar attempts that i’ve been part of or close to) of the ordinary not-quite-success that can result from the kinds of collective action that schulman and i disagree about.
another is that unlike many efforts for accountability, it was one which remained to a great extent in bryn’s hands - she made very clear decisions about how to describe her experience and how to make parts of it public, and her friends and community basically honored those decisions. i’ve continued to do so in my account, limiting what i describe to what bryn made public and using her words and those of her closest support crew.
and another is that i do not believe in abstraction. in analysis and critique that goes beyond a single situation or example, absolutely. but not in approaches that separate ideas from the sweat and smells of our bodies.{note 1} i don’t see any value in contrasting straw men – throwing hypothetical “people seeking accountability” or “targets of intimate partner violence” against schulman’s “bad groups”, “group psychosis”, and “fascism” - when talking about actual people and their actual lives. i believe it is precisely a move towards abstraction that makes possible the slippage by which schulman can equate responses to sexual violence with bigoted legislation, incarceration, and colonial occupation. i don’t think abstraction can be combatted by abstraction - i think it’s best deflated by specific examples.
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in many ways, at the heart of my critique is a queer, feminist view of gossip as a lifesaving resource and as a mode of collective analysis of the world.{note 2} i take quite seriously the critiques of the liberatory power of gossip, articulated recently by b. binaohan with particular clarity. one part of this, as they point out, is that for gossip to be even potentially useful, it has to reach folks. and that depends on its circulation through informal networks which often reproduce the patterns of exclusion found everywhere in our white supremacist, misogynist, capitalist, colonialist, disableizing (this is not a complete list) society.
i’m interested in exploring what a consciously justice-oriented practice of gossip can look like. to me, part of that is trying to break the bounds of the informal networks that i’m part of in various ways. bringing things from the pile of dirty laundry (especially the old stuff that ‘everybody’ knows), including about myself, to places where they haven’t been permitted to appear without a protective layer of deodorant.
to me, this is entwined with a way of thinking about, and talking about the relationship between people’s creative work (including their political thought) and the conduct of their lives. as i’ve said, i have no interest in a politics of purity, or a rejection of those found to be 'tainted’ in some way. to use one of the classic examples, i adore ezra pound’s exquisite “stations of the metro” just as much as i detest his anti-semitic, anti-black, libertarian-capitalist, pro-fascist beliefs. and, on the other side, a virtuous life guarantees nothing about creative work or political ideas; one of the most ethical folks i’ve ever organized with was also a firm partisan of a sectarian socialist group that has had an incredibly destructive effect on movements for justice in the u.s. during the years of their involvement.
i don’t, however, think our work and our lives are separable. and i believe we can think best about either when we think about the two together – which we can only do when we’re able to know something about the lives that the work comes out of. and informal knowledge – gossip, dish, rumor - is key to that, because it’s one of the few things that can (though of course it doesn’t always) evade the official account of a life, whether that version is created by its subject or by others, whether it’s hagiographic or demonizing, whether it’s newly-coalescing or long-sedimented.
further, one of the ways out of the calvinist bind that a politics of purity creates is to understand how deeply people can change. and we’re also only able to do that if we can glimpse both the before and the after. in a different world, perhaps i’d’ve been able to write about scott moore as an example of someone who did an awful thing, and then changed how he moves through the world as a result of the pressure and support offered by those close to him - but a description of who he became would be meaningless without the story of who he had been before. again, gossip, which ties us to our pasts (especially the ones we’d rather jettison), is key.
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and finally, @highmasc:
my conversations with bryn are between me and bryn. i’m not going to try to represent her thoughts about any of this, and i’d mistrust any attempt by anyone (including myself) to do that.
because i think it’s quite clear in her writing that’s available online, i do feel comfortable saying that your second paragraph is very much my understanding of how bryn felt about the results of the efforts to bring some accountability to scott moore. which is exactly why i don’t describe it as a victory, or make any claims for it having “empowered” anyone. like almost all of the similar things i’ve been around, it mostly failed; like some of them, it had a certain limited success. and that’s exactly why i think it stands as such an important example of what’s wrong with attacks on these kinds of collective action, which both massively overstate their effects and deeply misunderstand their aims and weaknesses alike.
and, finally, as i say in the piece, i know nothing about the inside of bryn and schulman’s friendship, nor do i need to. i think schulman’s visible support for bryn’s work, and both of their words about each other, speak for themselves.
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yes, this is partly my marxist sensibility (call it dialectical materialism if that makes it easier to hear it coming from an anarchist). and also one of the many things i’ve learned from black feminists (claudia jones to kimberlé crenshaw to mariame kaba) and from dis/ability justice thinkers (eli clare to aurora levins morales to aj withers).
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some sources of inspiration, from the theoretical side, to give credit where it’s due:
henry abelove, glossing ginsburg on o'hara: “Our deep gossip. Here gossip is illicit speculation, information, knowledge. It is an indispensible resource for those who are in any sense of measure disempowered, as those who experience funny emotions may be, and it is deep whenever it circulates in subterranean ways and touches on matters hard to grasp and of crucial concern.” (“Deep Gossip”, Introduction)
eve kosofsky sedgwick: “I take the precious, devalued arts of gossip, immemorially associated in European thought with servants, with effeminate and gay men, with all women, to have to do not even so much with the transmission of necessary news as with the refinement of necessary skills for making, testing, and using unrationalized and provisional hypotheses about what kinds of people there are to be found in one’s world.” (“Epistemology of the Closet”, Introduction: Axiomatic)
andrea dworkin: “While gossip among women is universally ridiculed as low and trivial, gossip among men, especially if it is about women, is called theory, or idea, or fact.” (“Right-Wing Women”)
and in various ways the work of poets like frank o'hara, judy grahn, kay gabriel, alta, and muriel rukeyser.
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umruik:
a while after posting “this is not a eulogy” and my follow-up to it, and with “Conflict Is Not Abuse” out for a bit, it seems worth making visible an account of what i’ve seen & heard of the response to the post.
the what i’ve seen & heard of part is important: i’m not on facebook, so quite a bit of this is second-hand. i’m trying to be as comprehensive about what i’ve heard as i can, precisely because it’s not coming to me directly. partly because i think doing so is important to the argument on gossip that’s involved here. and also because it points to the differences between what circulates visibly (on social media in particular) and what circulates based on ties of trust and friendship, and may indicate a bit about what the different stakes are for different people in that circulation. (which goes back to the points that b. binaohan made in the piece i cited here. i’m not including here two responses that happened via tumblr, which are already visible: one is in the notes, and my reply is in the follow-up post; the other is reflected in an edit to the posts’s first footnote.
i should also preface this by saying that i’ve had exactly two interactions with schulman herself since posting the piece. one over email, at the beginning of september, after a friend wrote us offering to broker some kind of conversation between us: she said she’d be open to a moderated public conversation; i said i’d lean towards an exchange in writing. neither of us has followed up. and one in person, at the beginning of last october, while waiting for the house to open at a play: she gave me a copy of the book and offered her usual openness to one-on-one private conversation.
what follows is what’s been happening alongside that.
so: i posted the piece on this tumblr on august 16. after a few weeks, it had perhaps 8 notes - a few more than the 3-6 average i get on an original post; much lower than the 40ish i’ve gotten once or twice.
on august 30 i started to get calls from friends who’d been cold-called by schulman; that’s continued pretty steadily (and i don’t assume it’s stopped since the last one i know of). the calls i’ve heard about have mainly been to folks who’ve had far less contact with her than i have - some who’d never had a conversation with her before - but who’re seen as being influential players in one or another white queer arts/culture scene. mostly, the folks she’s called hadn’t read, or even been aware of, my piece at the time they were cold-called.
the framings used in the calls have varied, from ‘i’m told you know who this person is’ to 'can you explain this person’, but the content has been consistent: extended venting about the footnotes in which i air widely known dirty laundry; minimal engagement with the political critique of her work. there’s also been a fair amount of active misrepresentation of what i wrote: attribution of specific politically-charged phrases that i did not use, etcetera. the implication (from the choice of targets and the tone of the conversations) has been pretty clear: these folks are supposed to be reining me in, and are on notice that they’re associated with me. if my memory serves, nearly everyone who’s spoken to me has said that they suggested that shulman respond directly to me if she has arguments with what i wrote. she hasn’t.
around then i also started to hear about approaches made to folks (some of them friends of mine) who had linked to the post from facebook, or mentioned it elsewhere online, mainly by schulman, later also by other people. again, the message was very consistent: they were told that the piece was inaccurate, that it misquoted schulman, that she “would never” have written certain things, and that they should take down the link. some of this, especially from schulman’s proxies, also included active misrepresentations of what i wrote - the most entertainingly inept being the out-of-context quoting of the word “obnoxious” (which i used in the first line of the piece to characterize anonymous - and thus unaccountable - critiques) as my supposed rubric for the whole piece.
some of the more rigorous targets of this sort of thing made their posts private while they went over my footnotes; upon finding my citations accurate, they were rather pissed off at the line they’d been fed, and reposted. others kept their posts up throughout, or took them down and kept them down - the difference depending mostly, as far as i can tell, on how much of their paid employment depends on the goodwill of social circles in which schulman and her proxies hold influence.
now, in the past two months, i’ve shared a certain amount of social space with several of the more diligent folks who’ve acted as schulman’s proxies in this. none of them has said a single word to my face about any of it (unless i’m misremembering about one person’s (non)involvement in the online hassling of re-posters, which would give the traditional rule-proving exception).
by contrast, at various points i’ve been approached by friends and acquaintances (if you’re reading this and aren’t sure which applies, to me it’s the former /grin/) who’ve had disagreements with, questions about, or strong reactions to the piece. we’ve had long and interesting conversations about it, which haven’t necessarily led to agreement, but definitely to better understanding between us. and for me, to clearer articulations of things i wrote and things that were left between the lines of the piece. i’m incredibly grateful for those exchanges.
also in the realm of direct communication, i’ve been thanked by a number of folks for writing the piece, specifically because they felt they couldn’t have safely done so. that making this kind of political critique of a prominent figure would have led to retribution and cold-shouldering that would have cost them paid work and social access they need to survive as queer and trans cultural workers. to be clear about what i mean by “prominent”: we’re talking about 'world-famous in poland’, as we say in yidishland - but if you live and work in warsaw, that means a lot.
i’ve also been told about more personal online smear efforts directed at me. again being carried out by folks at zero to one degree of social distance from me, with no attempt to make any kind of personal contact. the most direct of these that i’ve heard about was by someone whose response to the rape of a friend/close acquaintance was to try to shut her up, going so far as to contact her partner to try to get him to silence her. [note: the previous sentence has been edited for stricter accuracy] which, i would say, illustrates very clearly both who has a stake in shulman’s arguments going uncriticized, and how directly her arguments lend themselves to encouraging online attacks of the kind they claim to deplore.
finally, in mid-october, i was told that someone had been posting links to the piece in schulman’s book tour facebook events. i’d be interested to hear what conversations have come out of that - especially among folks who’ve read the book, and can see how it stays with and how it moves away from the underpinnings that schulman laid out while writing it. feel free to drop me a line and let me know (in the comments, or in my asks - if i write any further follow-up, i won’t quote private notes without asking, of course). the copy schulman gave me is in my to-read pile (under a martha rosler collection, some jo clayton, beth elliot’s autobiography-a-clef, most of “The Warmth of Other Suns”, and a few other things). i may have more things to say after i read it; i may say them here.
the notes count on the post has hovered in the 40s for several months now. most hedgehog photos do better by several orders of magnitude. i don’t take notes as a reflection of readership numbers; on posts that air political critiques, especially outside of a politics of purity, i do take them as a sign of how comfortable folks feel making agreement visible.
all in all, i think it’s been an interesting set of responses, especially in light of schulman’s ideas. i wasn’t really expecting this kind of illustration of how they play out in practice, but there it is. a critique from slightly below (and reasonably close by), leads not to the person criticized “pick[ing] up the phone and talk[ing] to them about it”, but to a classic process of triangulation, aimed at discrediting and isolating the source of the critique. the political substance of the critique is ignored, and not even token responses to it are made. this is a pretty minor form of what sarah ahmed has talked about as “how you become a problem when you expose a problem”, but even so it highlights the basic thing missing from schulman’s account: power.
some of what schulman talks about in the writing my piece analyzed is real: the israeli government does use false claims of victimhood to justify ongoing attempted genocide, and propagates them through astroturf hasbara strategies; mob harassment online does exist, with rapists and sexual harassers deploying it to try to silence their victims, and pseudo-feminists using it to cut trans women and sex workers off from survival resources.
but what a formalistic and psychological account cannot do is distinguish between these tactics used in defense of entrenched power, and collective efforts from below to challenge structures of power and prestige and those who benefit from them (and to enact alternatives to existing institutional structures). to stretch a metaphor, the approach schulman argues for can’t distinguish between a power-drill hole that eases the passage of a screw strengthening the master’s house, and a termite hole inching towards its collapse: all it can see is a hole, and its impulse is to fill it, strengthening the structure.
and what losing that distinction - refusing a basic analysis of power - enables, at the most basic level, is the uncritical embrace of the pattern of response i’ve just described, by people claiming to defend the utility of open, acknowledged conflict. the mobilization of something that looks a lot like “group shunning”, “overreaction”, and “bonding by bullying as a shallow definition of loyalty”. a willingness to attack in spaces presumed to be unseen, and smile in public sight, assuming that the gap would never be seen or named.
a misunderstanding of the power of gossip, rumor, and whisper so complete that they can be simultaneously condemned as all-powerful and dismissed as insignificant. this post could not exist if either of those things were true.
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