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inbarfink · 8 months
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When talking about the distinction between Simon Petrikov and the Ice King,  it’s important to remember that originally, the Crown wasn’t trying to turn Simon into Ice King -
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It was trying to turn him into this guy.
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At the time, the Ice Crown - or rather the Wishing Crown - was programmed with Gunther’s wish to become Evergreen. So everything related to making the current wearer like Evergreen is a very direct result of the Crown’s Magic. The physical changes -
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And the obsession with the name ‘Gunther’ -
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And maybe some of the irritability and anger issues -
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That is something the Crown is very directly forcing unto its current wielder. 
But everything else?
Ice King, personality-wise, was not much like Evergreen at all, or even like Gunther's view of him. And Ice Finn of the Farmworld Universe was also pretty different from the both of them.
At the time, I remember people assumed Ice Finn’s behavior is more indicative of what the Crown is actually trying to do with its wielders. That Ice King is so different because of Simon’s subconscious resistance against the Crown - while Finn’s much younger and dumber brain is a lot susceptible to the Curse’s influence to become some sort of mad world-conquering emperor of ice and snow. 
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But, with the context of the Crown’s actual backstory. That doesn’t seem very likely anymore. I think what’s actually happening there is that the Crown is just trying to make its wielder an Ice Wizard on par with Evergreen (who was the Actual Goddam Ice Elemental) and that means pumping the wielder’s brain so full of Magic, Madness and Sadness to a level that is bound to overwhelm anyone.
And Simon’s and Farmworld Finn’s very different behaviors after putting on the crown is indicative, more than anything, of how their psyche reacts to Madness and Sadness in general. You know, Finn has a very proactive and kinda aggressive personality - and you add Crown-induced-Madness-and-Sadness and a compulsion to use Ice Magic as much as possible and you get all of…. this 
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Meanwhile, for Simon, the compulsions of the Crown originally filtered exclusively via the language of protection 
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As his madness always manifested as romantic obsession 
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And using goofy humor to try and deny the pain he’s going through 
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Because that’s how Simon’s mind specifically reacts to being flooded with so much Madness and Sadness.
That’s why there’s so many parallels between Ice King and the sort of mistakes and screwed-up stuff Simon does right now! He’s even kidnapping people again!
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Because the Madness and Sadness of Ice King might’ve been induced by the Crown, but now Simon has plenty of personal home-grown Madness and Sadness inside him - and it’s no surprise that Curse-Induced or not, his mind reacts to it in a sorta-similar way. (Although obviously not as intensely, again, there was a LOT of MMS in the Ice Crown).
Now as for Ice Thing, and the fact that he seems to be actually rather well-adjusted under effects of his version of the Wishing Crown. I mean... not by the time of the 1000+ Era, but that’s literally eons in the future and also maybe more Gibbon’s fault. Even if the Crown will eventually take some sort of toll on him, for now he seems to be doing pretty well considering his wish. I mean, there's still some sort of Loss of Identity stuff going on
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But everything we've seen of Ice Thing (in the present day, at least) shows him as a friendly and cheerful individual that gets along well with others. A far cry from how maladjusted every single wielder of the Ice Crown acted.
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At the very least, if there's any notable amount of Sadness in him, we really haven't seen it yet.
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There might be several factors here:
First things first, I should acknowledge the possibility that it’s just that Orgalorg’s eldritch brain is better at intaking all that MMS juice. That could play a part, but I think it’s probably more important, at least thematically, to look at the distinction between ‘I wish to be Evergreen’ and ‘I wish to be Ice King’. 
First in the sense that while Ice King was occasionally mean to Gunter at times - he was generally much kinder than Evergreen ever was for ‘his’ Gunther. So, like, pretty much the one Personality Flaw of Ice King that you can directly link to the Ice Crown’s attempt to mimic Evergreen is the occasional anger issues.
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And how they relate to Gunther’s view of Evergreen, so grumpy and controlling and constantly saying ‘NO!’
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(Both Finn and Simon’s demonstrable not-crown-induced trauma responses can make them pretty short-tempered as well. So I’m not going to say this is purely the effects of the Crown. It still probably plays some sort of factor at why the wielder of the Ice Crown is Like That).
And that is not a factor in how Gunter views Ice King. For him, Ice King was a doting and loving father figure - so if the Crown was ever trying to implement any sort of specific negative personality traits, this is absolutely no longer a factor. Because the original Ice Crown was a reflection of Evergreen’s abuse, and now Ice Thing is a reflection of Ice King’s fatherly love.
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Which is, itself, probably an echo or remnant of Simon’s own strong parental instincts. 
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Secondly, while the Crown was trying to make the Ice King just as powerful as Evergreen…. Ice King was obviously not as powerful as Evergreen. Because he was already a second-rate copy of the Ice Elemental’s power, and because Ice King was often just too doofy to use his powers correctly and probably because some remnant of Simon’s original sensible self is subconsciously holding his powers back.
Either way, being ‘like Ice King’ as Gunter sees him requires less Magic than being ‘like Evergreen’ as Gunther saw him - and therefore less Madness and Sadness. Leading to the wearer or, um, the eater being a lot more well-adjusted from the get-go.
And I think that the implication that Ice Thing has fused with the Crown, so there's never going to be another poor sap who puts on the Crown and gets Ice King'd. But if there is one somehow... at least the process is going to be less mentally detrimental that time around?
Maybe one day Simon could look back and appreciate how much he (or Ice King, or both of them, or however you want to look at the situation) is responsible for basically neutralizing the Crown that ruined his life in the first place.
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multiversal-madness · 6 months
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Some Accesso-Swap doodles of Gunther and baby Simon. Since Simon is half human, he couldn’t survive in the cold Wintosphere, so Evergreen sent him to the normal world with his assistant Gunther as his guardian. Until the Mushroom war, the two lived in the middle of nowhere away from civilisation and were probably considered cryptids.
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Gunther did his best to raise Simon, much better than Evergreen would have done, but he did only have Evergreen as a guardian so he sometimes wasn’t the greatest parent to Simon. Either way, the two were quite happy out there, that is until the mushroom war happened when Simon was about 5.
Simon was able to resist the radiation, Gunther was not. As Gunther got sicker, he became more stressed and thus has less patience whenever Simon would do something wrong. This came to a head when Gunther knew he wasn’t going to make it and told Simon to leave.
When Simon didn’t want to Gunther yelled at him to leave, quite a scary display considering the sharp teeth and claws. Simon left in tears, Gunther felt awful but felt it was necessary. He had a small recorder and used it to leave a message for Simon should he ever find his corpse, apologising for what he thought he had to do and saying goodbye.
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cartoonbudartz · 1 year
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Random arts
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spiritmoodboards · 6 months
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Moodboard for Gunther the dinosaur (Adventure Time) For an anon!! Hope you like this~
We're closed for now, thank you~
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tumbke · 7 months
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This was actually the original idea, but i wimped out and wanted to see the happy end AUs be real
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unholy-boi · 8 months
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the sequel to this post
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boomerak3 · 2 months
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Here’s the second wave of characters I’ve done, right now I just have to finish up the the melee roster
https://twitter.com/nicklauerart/status/1066004184389091329 Credit to the original designs and concept
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kettleghost · 7 months
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hey girl theres a slowly dying universe in my brain
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phoneyotc · 5 months
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sorry, buddy!
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lemonyoatmilk · 7 months
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amelheth · 7 months
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Cosmic card game? Eh?
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tuckerwooley · 7 months
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“does somebody want me now, now that i can’t fly?”
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multiversal-madness · 10 months
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Comet King Au
When Gunther put on the crown, his deepest truest wish wasn’t to become Evergreen. What he wanted more than anything was to be noticed by Evergreen, to be recognised and respected by him.
He’d been disregarded, mocked, and hurt by Evergreen one too many times and he wanted that to change. And he latest thing Evergreen has ignored him in favour of? The catalyst comet.
So what if he became like the comet? A threat that Evergreen would take seriously. Something he wouldn’t be able to ridicule or look down on.
In this Au, the crown doesn’t make the wearer into a twisted version of Evergreen. Instead, it makes the wearer into an imperfect version of the Lich.
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twptwp · 6 months
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Miscellaneous doodles today
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the-guy-who-asked-333 · 2 months
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Be my Gunter to my Simon
(Heck, how did they even meet eachother tho???)
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andthebeanstalk · 8 months
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Hey anyone else remember the episode of Adventure Time called "Evergreen" where it's revealed that the original bearer of the crown to whom it was "forever linked" was actually a neglected child (and prior reincarnation of Finn) named Gunter trying to be like his wizard father?? Anyone??? Because I had fully forgotten until re-watching the episode last night and I'm losing my mind about the implications.
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(This episode is also a devastating look at how a mistreated child unconsciously learns that he must treat himself and those he has power over as cruelly as he has been treated. Adventure Time has so much sadness and madness, y'all.)
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