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pipiezexal · 2 years

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NWH Spoilers incoming, fanfic idea i'm not writing for now bc i'm writing something else:

TASM!Harry in No Way Home

Scenario 1:

He shows up before Peter 3, after the destruction at Happy's place. Pretend here that Ned and MJ reunite with their Peter rather than bring Peter 3.

Harry's introduction is a combination between Norman's (second introduction) and Flint's, in that he seems friendly at first but he also seems like just a guy. He seems... unwell, but so do most of the universe hoppers, so Peter 1, MJ, and Ned don't think too much of it. Maybe he goes by just Harry, or maybe he goes by a fake name, but the short of it is that Harry's not dumb, he sussed out very quickly that this is Spider-man and Spider-man's friends, and they're not here to help him because Spider-man doesn't do that.

Oh, all the villain here have something "wrong" with them? That you're trying to fix? I'm actually not a villain, you see. Nothing wrong's here. I'm actually a friend of Peter's, from the other universe. We were childhood bffs, actually.

Maybe the first tip off that something is wrong wrong with Harry (who's just, yknow, odd up until now), is how hostile he is to Peter 2 the moment Peter mentions the death of his best friend. Oh, of course, Spider-man couldn't manage to save him–probably didn't actually care all that much for him in the first place. It's awfully bitter, and everyone in this room is sensing that there might be some underlying resentment between this guy and his Peter.

Now let's bring in the idea that maybe, post-TASM2 Peter killed Harry. (If you want my take on how that could happen, I've made a post here.)

All the others realize, abruptly, that the only people brought over are Peters and dead antagonists. Some are sympathetic or sometimes in their right minds, so it's not an immediate jump to "Oh, this guy's evil" but more like. hey! this guy definitely died, and he might have some hang ups we didn't realize. So they're in the middle of de-escalating when–

they get their second tip off that something is wrong with Harry.

Specifically, when Peter 3 shows up and Harry pulls out a gun.

Scenario 2:

Everything in NWH happens as is until the scene where they're developing cures in the school. At some point, the conversation comes up of "Do you think we actually got them all? All the villains we could save?" Because they're running on the assumption that the only ones brought over were those that they had a chance of saving–

And Peter 2 goes over his villain catalogue like hold on okay. Venom was just trying to destroy without reason so probably not gonna solve that problem and save him. Eddie Brock maybe. Harry... feels like he would've been difficult to save, given the circumstances of his death, plus he died a hero, but what he wouldn't give for the chance to hug his best friend again–

And Peter 3 is significantly more bitter and scared. He's got a villain, a goblin of his own, that he admits he doesn't think can be saved. He doesn't... want to think about that possibility, because it would complicate all the things he's told himself to get over the grief of that night (hell of a thing to lose the love of his life and a best friend he didn't know he'd miss until he hated)

(Because if they were supposed to be helping these villains survive, that means–)

(they couldn't just stop the goblin in Harry. They couldn't just turn that off and then call it a day, because in the end Peter knew that Harry was dying and had been denied treatment for years simply because Norman had never told him that he was dying)

(so if his Harry was here, what they were fixing wasn't the Goblin Serum. No, if Harry showed up, that meant that he'd had the power to cure Harry this whole time, and this whole thing could've been avoided if everyone had just been reasonable–if Peter had tried a little harder, a little sooner, if Oscorp hadn't screwed Harry over so quickly and Peter over so young–)

Peter 3 doesn't say all this. He just says that, if his Harry shows up, that he can't be trusted, that he was dangerous and had killed and hurt people, but–

Above everything else, that jabbing him with the Goblin cure would only fix half the problem, and that the other two should not, under any circumstances, do that before Peter 3 had a chance to come up with a longer, better thought out plan.

And then Peter 3 has to step out for whatever reason (testing the electric discharger for Electro on the roof, testing the cure for Flint on a sandbox, idk), and in that brief moment, a man on a glider bursts into the lab intent on causing chaos and making Spider-man bleed.

The battle is harder than anyone there wants, and one of the Peter 1 or 2 determine "yknow what! we have no way of restraining this man. we know why he's so angry, and we can fix this. We'll ask forgiveness rather than permission" and they de-goblin TASM!Harry Osborn.

Peter 3, brought back by the sound of fighting, is greeted with this:

Peter 1 and 2 are quite pleased, given that the serum seemed to work, and they're all "look! one less enemy! He doesn't hate us now and we know the goblin cure works"

but Peter 3 knows that Harry Osborn is just as angry as the goblin, just slightly less unhinged and with significantly worse health

and then everyone else knows it when Harry pulls out a gun.

so now it's a race against time to save Harry Osborn from a terminal illness before he kills them or dies, and there's no magical cure for how much he hates Spider-man right now

Scenario 3:

No concrete thoughts just scenario 1 but Harry sarcastically answering "Peter Parker" when asked his name and then bluffing halfway through the movie until Peter 3 shows up pretending to be a Peter that just never got bitten.

#harry osborn #nwh fanfic ideas #nwh spoilers #peter parker #spider-man #listen i wanna give harry a gun #i think its very important that they forget he has one. but he has one #harry has a gun #pipie rants

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symflash · 5 years

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Ultimate Spider-Man Symflash headcanons

Because I can’t write, I can’t draw, and I can’t pay other people to do it for me.

* The symbiote that's with Flash is a fragment of the larger chunk of symbiote that went down with the Helicarrier in season 1, episode 26, and not the brand new symbiote created in season 3, episode 2. Consequently, they remember Harry, but not the time the Goblin injected Peter with Venom (different fragment).

* Also, in this continuity, "Venom" is actually the name the symbiote picked for themself.

* Venom was a blank slate at their birth, like an infant, with zero concept of morals or social mores. They might've been able to suss it out by osmosis from their hosts' brains, if their most long-term host hadn't been Harry "I hate my dad and I wish he was dead" Osborn.

* Flash's and Venom's first dance as Agent Venom went something like this: Venom: “Okay, I think I've cracked the code. Every time I assert my personhood separate from my host, I get electrocuted to smithereens. So maybe if I... pretend to be an inanimate object, act super low-key, this new host won't notice, and I can delay my next near-death experience.” Flash: "This is awesome! You're awesome! What's your name? I'm Flash! Do you wanna be friends? Do you like football? Do you know what football is?" Venom: *tears streaming down their metaphorical face* "wHAt tHe fUcK Is goINg oN"

* That was not the moment Venom decided to bind themselves permanently to Flash, though. That happened after Beetle tried to hit them with a sonic blast. Venom was in pain, and Flash was telling them not to be scared, because Spider-Man would help them, they could trust Spidey. That was Venom's first exposure to the concept of trust. And after they saw that trust paid off, they decided to trust Flash. And their trust paid off. Flash: "Did you hear that, buddy? You won't have to leave after all! Isn't this great?" Venom:

* Flash's training period at SHIELD was mostly dedicated to teaching human morality to Venom and training himself to not refer to himself as "we" (it gives the people with the sonic guns twitchy trigger fingers).

* Sure, I could NOT shoehorn in Flash's comic book backstory. But I'm a slut for cheap angst, so I'm gonna. ** Flash didn't so much live at the gas station as he squatted there after running away from home. ** The smell of alcohol is a trigger for him. He drops off the radar on his 21st birthday because he's terrified his friends will try to take him to a bar.

* Flash and Venom converse telepathically more often than they let on. They like to do Mystery Science Theatre 3000 running commentaries during boring meetings. They also do a psychic duet of Bohemian Rhapsody whenever a known mind reader walks into the room. Just in case.

* Venom thinks the fact that Flash was The Very First Host They Ever Took is the most romantic thing ever. ("It was destiny!") Flash is just embarrassed that their first meeting was so inauspicious. ("You came out of a toilet and I tried to feed Pete to you.")

* Venom can do a bang-up impersonation of Harry, and you can bet they use it to make fun of him at any opportunity. ** "Hurr burr, I have a limousine, a penthouse home and billions of dollars, and when my favorite Spider-Person doesn't reciprocate my gay crush *choking up* I don't cry about it."

* There was a brief period after "Anti-Venom" where Venom was too weak to speak to Flash, and Flash wasn't sure if they were dead or alive. ** Of course he cried; slut for cheap angst, remember?

* Flash has undiagnosed dyslexia. He didn't figure it out until Venom asked him why letters wiggle for him but not for Harry.

* Venom likes dandelions, especially ones growing out of cracks in the sidewalk. ** "They're considered weeds and eradicated on sight, and yet they're strong enough to break through rock, and hardy enough to survive in environments that would be inhospitable to all other plants. It's just... poeticcinema.jpg." *** "Buddy, you can beam a crisp and clear mental impression of any picture directly into my brain. There's literally no reason for you to say 'dot jay peg' out loud, ever."

* Peter & Co. keep making references to stuff Venom did that Venom has no memory of (because there's an entire branch of symbiotes that diverged from them, so they literally weren't around for those events). Flash decides to investigate and pulls up all SHIELD case reports about Venom. That's the first time he finds out how many symbiotes SHIELD has killed or attempted to kill. Venom can only shrug their metaphorical shoulders. People have been trying to murder them nearly from the moment of their birth. They didn't have a point of reference, so they'd just sort of assumed it was a normal part of life. They don't really understand why Flash is crying. And that makes Flash cry harder. ** And that's the story of how Flash got over his crush on Peter. *** Venom doesn't see much point in holding grudges. After all, if they ever express anger or try to retaliate over their treatment, they'll be stuffed in a jar at best and incinerated alive at worst. Luckily, Flash is a finely-tuned rage producing machine; he can be angry on both of their behalf.

* Flash encourages Venom to have their own hobbies separate from him. To facilitate this, Venom has permission to drive around Flash's body while he sleeps, provided they don't stray away from SHIELD headquarters and wake Flash up if there's an emergency. ** Venom likes looking up video tutorials for random things. And because they share a brain with Flash, he ends up learning things by proxy. (The morning he woke up fluent in American Sign Language was a trippy one). *** They're also into videogame speedruns, of all things.

* Scarlet Spider would very much like to forget the time he got up for a midnight snack and found Flash, with solid black eyes, hunching on top of a vending machine like a goblin, attempting to insert three chocolate bars into his mouth at once.

* Venom is the only one allowed to call Flash "Eugene". They're very territorial of their monopoly.

* Venom has a dim, dim view of father figures. Their genetic progenitor tried to murder them multiple times, and their only second-hand experiences of fathers are, well, Norman Osborn and Harrison Thompson.

* What's the point of having a foot long tongue if you don't use it to lick the bottom of your ice cream carton?

* Venom and Flash have such divergent music tastes, they need to have two separate playlists. (Flash likes punk rock and hair metal, Venom's into eurodance and chiptunes.)

* Incomplete list of animals Flash unironically thinks are cute: tarantulas ("Fuzzy!"), snakes ("Their tongues go blelele!"), amblypygids ("They cuddle their babies!"), velvet worms ("Their feet are so stubby!")

* Flash is actually pretty insecure about being Venom's host. He feels the only reason they stick with him is because he was the first person to be nice to them, and they could do better. ** Flash: "I mean, you give me superpowers, the means to get away from my old life, the opportunity to be somebody... but what do I give you in return? Maybe Doc Ock was right... maybe I AM a parasite." Venom:

* Actually, Flash is insecure about a lot of things. He's afraid Peter secretly resents him for the years of bullying, he fears that he's just fooled everyone into thinking that he's a good person and really he's just as much of a monster as his father, he's scared he's too stupid to make anything of himself and he'll become a deadbeat... it's a bunch of separate but interlocking self-esteem issues. ** Venom helps, though. It's useful to have an outside perspective to your own brain.

* Flash initially calls Venom an "it", because they're genderless and he doesn't have a lot of insight into gender politics and pronouns. He later learns about they/them pronouns, and asks if he can use it for Venom. Venom, who's used to being called "it" and knows even less about personal pronouns, is confused. They have a long discussion about dehumanizing language that ends with Venom shrugging their metaphorical shoulders and going "Sure, if it makes you feel better".

* Being a couple kind of sneaks up on them. In their defense, both of them have little to no experience in giving or receiving affection; they have trouble distinguishing different kinds of love (hence why Flash thought his giant gay crush on Peter was just wanting to be his best buddy).

* Cons of wearing actual clothes instead of a shapeshifted symbiote: Doing laundry. Pros of wearing actual clothes: Nobody can tell you're giving your boyfriend a fullbody cuddle under his shirt in public.

* They're both super affectionate and flirty. They both get super flustered and embarrassed when receiving affection and being flirted at. Together, they are a disaster.

#symflash #flash thompson #venom symbiote #agent venom #ultimate spiderman #man of action studios: *give flash a shallow two-dimensional characterization and the symbiote zero characterization*#me: my city now

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lifejustgotawkward · 7 years

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365 Day Movie Challenge (2017) - #73: Spider-Man 3 (2007) - dir. Sam Raimi

Spider-Man 3 is notorious for being such a lackluster misfire that it put a stop to Sam Raimi’s involvement in the Spider-Man franchise and it sort of spelled the beginning of the end for Tobey Maguire as one of Hollywood’s brightest young stars. (I usually think of 1999’s The Cider House Rules as Maguire’s first important lead role prior to the first Spider-Man installment in 2002.) It’s true that Raimi overstuffed SM3 with too many subplots and an overabundance of CGI, but if nothing else, SM3 succeeds at exploring the complicated dynamics of Spider-Man/Peter Parker’s romantic relationship with Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst). Mary Jane was always more than a damsel in distress in the previous Spidey flicks, but in the third film she gets to express the frustrations of being a career woman who experiences profound disappointment over the failings in her personal and professional lives. MJ wants to be autonomous and it is easy to understand why she is so upset when Peter constantly says or does the wrong thing, like when he insists that she knows what she’s going through when she gets bad reviews for her new Broadway show (his experience with the “haters gonna hate” concept applied to Spider-Man). If nothing else, Raimi is effective in expressing how important it is for a love interest in a superhero film to be seen as a human being with thoughts and desires separate from those of her significant other.

But where to start with the flaws in Spider-Man 3? The first concern that Spidey/Peter faces is the appearance of some mysterious black goo, sort of like a mass of sentient licorice, which crashes on Earth inside a meteorite and just happens to land next to where Peter and MJ are enjoying a romantic rendezvous inside of a spiderweb hammock. Somehow the presence of this alien symbiote eludes Peter’s Spidey sense, and the creature gloms itself onto the back of his bike, riding home with him and eventually attaching itself to Peter’s body, creating an “evil” Spider-Man suit for our hero to wear. (You have to ignore the backwards logic; Peter’s powers have always been internal and are not supposed to change depending on his choice of costume, but I guess we’re supposed to conveniently forget that detail.) As Peter’s relationship with MJ suffers - most of all when “bad” Peter results in emo hair, a passion for random street dancing à la Saturday Night Fever and an impromptu dance number which is both Fosse-esque and spiteful - he must also contend with a panoply of underwritten villains, including Flint Marko/Sandman (Thomas Haden Church), frenemy Harry Osborn (James Franco), who first deals with a nasty bout of amnesia then (upon remembering his past) decides he needs to avenge the death of his father (Norman Osborn/Green Goblin - Willem Dafoe, killed off in the first film back in 2002, returns to the role in a cameo) by becoming “New Goblin,” and lastly Eddie Brock/Venom (Topher Grace, sporting the worst frosted tips this side of Justin Timberlake). Gwen Stacy (Bryce Dallas Howard) also appears in the film for no real reason except to require rescue by Spider-Man and to cause “tension” between “Dark” Peter and MJ.

Sam Raimi gives us two genuinely incredible scenes: first, when Flint Marko, an escaped criminal who we’re supposed to believe isn’t actually a bad person because he literally says “I'm not a bad person“ when we’re introduced to the character, falls into a particle accelerator, survives the ordeal and transforms into the molecularly unstable Sandman; second, the scene when Peter hopes to propose to MJ, a moment ruined by his own ineptitude but, from a cinematic standpoint, saved by the comic genius of Bruce Campbell as a French maître d' who is a little too eager to help Peter pop the question. If only Raimi had cut out the turgid melodramas and focused on the interactions between Spider-Man and his foes (and removed one or two of those antagonists, for that matter), the film might have been a nice morsel of popcorn entertainment instead of the flop that dismantled Marvel’s franchise until Andrew Garfield came along for the reboot. Oh, and the fact that Venom’s downfall is caused by his being trapped in an enclosure made of steel beams, which essentially act as giant tuning forks - has there ever been a sillier form of destruction?

#365 day movie challenge 2017 #spider-man 3 #spider man 3 #2007 #2000s #sam raimi #tobey maguire #kirsten dunst #willem dafoe #james franco #thomas haden church #topher grace #bryce dallas howard #bruce campbell

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