orv for all its faults has one of The best depictions of passive suicidality in any story I've ever seen and it's truly what knocked the soul out of my body when i read it. it's about a lot of things, about stories and the relationships they have to audiences mostly, but one of its strongest themes is of wanting to die, despite yourself. and wanting to live, despite yourself.
the whole story is formed around the fact that kim dokja would have killed himself without ways of survival. like it permeates literally every aspect of the story. it's in every self sacrificial plan he makes, every dynamic he has with other characters, and about how he wishes for them to survive no matter the cost to himself. he rarely, if ever, thinks "i should kill myself." but he is fully incapable of believing in a happy ending where he can exist and THAT'S what got to me. he never lets himself simply exist without believing he has to sacrifice something for it. deep down, he does not believe he deserves to live.
and yet he wants to! just the same as yjh. he does want to live and that's why he clings so hard to the story. that's why he works so hard to reach the end and it's why he never sets up a self sacrificial plan without figuring out a way out. hes stupid and reckless with his safety and doesn't think he wants it but he DOES. he fucking does. and he learns how to live, eventually. he will learn how in the world after the ending.
thinking about the ship of theseus as a concept and how it applies to kdj. how much of yourself can you cut away before you cant be called the same person anymore. how many times can you kill yourself before there stops being enough of you to be killed. how much of yourself can you tear into pieces and throw away before the callousness with which you do it becomes a fixed apathy. how many repairs can be made to the ship of theseus before it stops being his.
honestly feel like it applies to yhk in general really well too. han sooyoung and her avatars in a literal sense since she is quite literally sectioning herself off into pieces whenever she uses the skill; yoo joonghyuk more metaphorically since we see in the 1863rd round whats basically like. the stripped to nothing recognizable ship now returned to theseus (kdj). but i feel like with kdj its just The Worst because we look at the scenarios themselves and like kdjs half performative half genuine flippant reveals of his deepest traumas and at his thinly veiled suicide attempts (sacrifices) are just. hello? i mean each one of those just guts him further and further and we see the literal actual fourth wall continue thickening to the point where (given we observe in kcoms pov) who is kim dokja? whats left after you peel back all the skins hes discarded? what makes the ship of theseus the ship of theseus?
and then you throw in the sucker punch of the 49/51 debacle and the question stops being like a vague overhanging vibe to the story and instead becomes the focal point of it: how much of a person can you strip away before they stop being the person you know? and i really truly think orv answers this. it answers it in the most beautiful way possible and the answer is that if theseus loves the ship. its his ship. the ship of theseus can be 1% original parts, it can be 49%, it can be 99%, it doesnt matter. the ship of theseus is theseus' ship because he loves it and as long as it continues to be loved it will continue to sail under his name.
and idk. i think about that a lot. people love you regardless of how much they know about you and thats the point. being known often precludes being loved but sometimes people know you because they love you. the ship of theseus is his because he loves it. yeah.
listen i'm actually collecting this stuff now, and i've started using polls because wow some of them are spot on. cheers to me.
dedicated to @chocolatemalt (my darling you've been summoned) and @yeetsintotheabyss (hi! it's indeed our orv audience)
link to part 1, part 2, part 3 and a webweave i made out of story snippets that is yoo joonghyuk centric
one thing i think is funny (in both a serious and unserious way) about the orv webtoon is that it places even more emphasis on yjh thinking 'ugh! kms' at even the sLIGHTEST INCONVENIENCE. LIKE...tiny itty bitty hiccup in his plans? the ever so slight-est swerve on the road? he says FUCK this shit and tries to dRIVE OFF THE CLIFF!!!1! like, babygirl WHAT!!! what are you even doing!!!
You go into reading ORV thinking it’s going to be a story.
You read it and it’s a story: it’s a story about a reader.
You read a little further and realize that it’s a story about stories: stories that make people as much as people make them.
You get to that point and you finally realize that it’s a con.
It’s a con: it’s been a con from the very first word, the longest, most visceral and excruciating con you’ve ever seen, yet somehow never saw coming—and you’re fuming but you’re also holding your breath because you can’t even be mad, it’s got you hook, line and sinker and you’d follow it beyond the end of the earth, you’ve already followed it beyond the end of the earth unknowingly and now you’re willing to go even further than that, willingly choosing it for yourself, because you need to see where this goes, you need to, because you care. You care.
Somewhere, you know with all the faith of a reader that Han Sooyoung is smiling.