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mallowstep · 2 years

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hey again! i was the anon that asked about how you write the beginnings to your fics. your feeling was right; i wasn’t really asking about plot. my problem was that i was staring at a blank screen, trying to come up with a beginning scene, and failing because i didn't know how to begin. a commenter said something about challenging themselves to write a scene that establishes the major divergences from canon, which is exactly what i've been trying to do. even though i know what i want, i don't seem to know how to go about it. i think it's because i'm usually a very descriptive writer, but for this fic, i wanted to do something simpler, and now that’s putting me at a loss. i’m so used to starting fics off descriptively that i'm not sure how do it any other way.

HHHHHHH FUUUCK TUMBLR SDL;FJ;DSALKJF

FUCK TUMBLR!

okay. so. sorry. i wrote a WHOLE FUCKING THING. dear god. i fucking.

it's been a while since it was relevant, but i have a issue with repeating work. like. it's something my brain won't let me do. so this is going to be much, much shorter than it was initially and i'm sorry about that.

anyway.

you're making this too hard. look at this first draft of a paragraph from a published novel:

[id: paragraph of nearly illegible handwritten text]

as you can see, only one sentence remains.

i'm going to include my own example from istmsams under a cut (because of the daddy thing).

you can change your first scene, but only if you actually write it. which means if you can write a descriptive intro, write that. don't worry about how you actually want to start. just get some words on the page.

there's a reason published novelists write the whole thing first and edit.

rough draft: (also, aside, tumblr's beta editor makes it almost impossible to type indented text conveniently. first, ">" should be the block quote shortcut, because that's what it does in markdown. it's really annoying that it goes to a quote block. (block quote = intendented text; quote block = tumblr big serif letters.)

Dovewing churrs, rubbing her temple against Tigerstar's shoulder. "I don't want to upset you," she says. "I'm sorry if you saw Daddy playing with me."

"Don't call him that!" Ivypool hisses. "Stars, I'm right --- you don't --- urgh!"

"You did follow me."

"Because you were going to meet him."

"Which I did."

"And?"

"And you can't yell at me because you decided to watch."

"But you know I'm here now!"

Dovewing pouts. Not that it will [draft cuts off mid sentence]

"You're the one who had the idea to follow me, knowing where I was going."

Ivypool curls her lip. "Sorry, I didn't expect my sister to be calling

draft cuts off mid sentence lol.

final version:

Dovewing churrs, rubbing her temple against Tigerheart’s shoulder. “What do you mean?”

“You—”

“Ivypool,” Tigerheart warns. “Now isn’t a good time for this.”

“Because you were about to fuck her? Yeah, what ThunderClan really needs is more halfClan kits.”

“Because you’re upsetting her.” He kisses her temple.

“It’s fine,” Dovewing says. The look she gives Tigerheart makes it clear what she wants to add, and Ivypool is grateful she doesn’t. “But it is weird that you followed me.”

“When you say you’re going on walks at night, but I find hay in your nest, I do grow concerned.”

“Hay?” Tigerheart eyes Dovewing. “Kitten—”

“Stray piece. Could’ve been from anything.” She flicks her ears. That’s not the point. It’s still weird that Ivypool followed.”

“Yeah, trust me, I wish I hadn’t.” Ivypool flops to the ground. “But really, Dove, daddy?”

“Not that it’s your business, but yes.” Dovewing’s ears flick a few times, and she can’t quite meet Ivypool’s eyes.

#ask #craeiyon #mine #writing #sorry i swear i said more the first time #but i can't do it #anyway appreciate the cut part from istmsams #feat. dove being super cheeky

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orphee-aux-enfers · 2 years

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Hi, I'm sorry, please ignore this if this bothers you, but you mention being an "Informational Professional" and that it means you're against censorship. Could you explain that? I've never heard the term "informational professional" before.

Hi Anon, thank you for your kind tone, it’s very appreciated.

I didn’t intend to get into my professional life very much, but I can’t resist the opportunity to discuss my field, as it’s very dear to me. I apologize that this is about to get a bit pontificating towards the end.

An information professional or information specialist is someone who collects, records, organizes, stores, preserves, retrieves, and/or disseminates printed or digital information. This is a really really broad term, and covers a variety of professions including Librarians, Archivists, Information Architects, Cataloguers, Classificationists, Indexers/Taxonomists, Info systems specialists, info scientists, and arguably a large portion of what you’d likely call “IT”. My personally specialty is Knowledge Organization; that’s the chunk that is “Information Architects” through “Info systems specialists”. Right now I’m also teaching the basics of databases/Controlled Vocabularies and Reference Librarianship (aka Getting People Answers to questions they only sort of know they have).

Censorship is a very big issue in all of these fields. The ALA (American Library Association) has as one of its core values: “Intellectual Freedom: We uphold the principles of intellectual freedom and resist all efforts to censor library resources.” In general, censorship of both works and ideas is the number one enemy of any library, archive, or other information hub. It results in biased resources, and stifles creativity at best. At worst, it results in hegemonic powers taking over the sphere of whatever information hub is allowing censorship. Once you start censoring one thing, it’s a quick spiral into a lot of things being censored. This is a historical fact that you can look up if you research the history of say, banning books. This is actually a VERY current issue underway in many parts of the world but ESPECIALLY in the USA.

As a professional whose job is to put information in the hands of the people who need or want it, it means that at times, I will handle information that I personally would not like to handle. However, everyone has a right to their information needs and wants being met, so long as no real person is harmed in the process. This is a line that WILL result in ethical quandaries, and that is part of why all Librarians have a Master’s degree; a LARGE portion of LIS schooling is devoted to managing not only our own reactions but the reactions of others, and learning to navigate information spaces in an ethical and equitable way that ensures that ideas that cause no harm are not censored and if an idea MIGHT cause harm (such as, for example, Mein Kampf being held in a library), we look at it from all angles before we make our choice.

I know of a head librarian whose library users didn’t want conservative books in their library. She made an effort to introduce the books anyway, because she was concerned about diversifying thought and ensuring representation of all ideas. Because her patrons didn’t want the books, the books didn’t make the cut long term and were eventually “weeded”, or discarded from the collection for not being used. This is not censorship. This is an active practice of “Don’t like, Don’t read.” They didn’t protest it, they didn’t kick up a fuss, they certainly didn’t threaten their librarian for introducing the materials. They also, most likely, would’ve left anyone reading the books alone—because you’re not going to start a fight with someone in a public library.

This mentality is, I think, the one that we really need to have in fandom spaces. Let bygones be bygones, let people write and read what they want, and treat everyone as though they’re also just going about their day in a space like a public library. It would be so much healthier for everyone.

#fandom problems tag #lis tag

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madfantasy · 4 years

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Dear Anon

I'm sorry for not answering your question directly and for blotching some of your words; I don't want to be troubled by 'automatic' controversy, or would like to offend anymore ships. But I understand how it is, it's alright to ask— not attack— about things you don't comprehend, which is what you did, and I see no harm in it.

Firstly, I wish you study the word's definition more carefully, as it mentions children- of prepubertal stage, not matured physically and mentally. And who's under that definition have no interest in a child after they mature. Severus or his shipping fans are far from that, they certainly do not approve of it. Most of them (of what I know of) ship him with them after the war in various time stages, as young adults or adults.

Age difference always been something some people frowned at, I suppose that's the obvious reason for someone to randomly assumes that. But it's not a bad thing, it has its advantages and disadvantages, like any other type of matchings. It's actually differs from culture to culture what age is to be of coming of age and how underage love is looked at. In the magic world, we know coming of age is at 17. And is when Severus' true intentions revealed, and is where the fans usually start.

From my culture for example, it's casual to see people have love interest around the end of middle school, and see them engaged or married around highschool, (something I don't have an opinion on, personally) and since I moved alot, I seen different levels of acceptance rise and fall. People can marry from 15 y.o. up. (Provided that they go under strict rules, like their consent and their parents' and after going into mental and physical assessments) They used to marry even younger but thankfully it's set to nothing under 18 now days. That mentality is causal here, still (and it makes my skin crawl to think of) Other cultures have it illegal. Or so between certain type of work or professional relationships. Or don't care at all?

Eh, It's a very foggy area. But it's certainly not of criminal intendancy, unlike the word you mentioned.

#text #ask #about #Severus Snape #ships

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babbushka · 4 years

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My dearest Zannah! Your writing is such a huge inspiration for me, like honestly you and your works have inspired me countless times to pick up a pen or sit down to type at a keyboard. I'm curious about how you write smut, and how you're motivated to write it... does writing smut come naturally to you or... I find it 'hard' to write, to make it accurate and feel real. (I'm a 22 y/o virgin,so I find it a little difficult to make things seem real) Any advice you've got would be greatly appreciated

I personally find it very easy to write smut because I am constantly thirsty over these characters lmao and since it has been a few years since I’ve been in a relationship where I could have sex (not that that sex was particularly good, mind you), I live vicariously through my writing.

So for me personally, I write the kind of sex that I want to have. In the beginning I used to be kind of too embarrassed to be graphic, but the truth of the matter is -- sex is graphic! Not in a negative way, just in a way that it is a very explicit act, and often I feel that when writers shy away from it, like when they use every other word for dick, or when random innuendos are thrown in instead of just, describing the act, it can make it seem like something the characters don’t really want to be doing, which can travel into the realm of feeling coercive and that’s not really anything that I like to advocate.

So I suppose the first piece of advice that I have is to decide right away if you’re going to write your sex scenes realistically, or make it totally a fantasy. Depending on your characters or the type of AU that it is, you can get away with like, avoiding certain aspects about sex, or you can enhance your sex scenes with whatever powers or rules for that universe you’ve created. For example, I know Force-Fucking isn’t a realistic thing, but in the “canon” star wars universe, it’s definitely something that can exist, and I have a lot of fun coming up with the rules for how that works.

Otherwise though, I find a lot of the time realistic sex scenes with all their quirks and flaws can make things feel much more fleshed out (pun intended lol). By this I mean things like, pointing out how gross sex can kinda be. It’s not all roses and rainbows like a lot of people want to pretend it is (although if that’s the vibe you’re going for, then that’s fine, it’s just not realistic).

There are embarrassing noises from air and a whole lot of wetness smearing around, there are missed thrusts or someone’s dick/fingers/hand being too rough or missing their mark, there’s coming too quickly, a lot of spit and drool, sweat, laughing, crying – all the very normal bodily functions that tend to go along with having sex can really put some charm into them. It normalizes things, and doesn’t make it feel forced or fake.

Which leads me to my next piece of advice; I would avoid watching professional porn and thinking that’s what real sex is like. Because it just, isn’t. Unless you’re going for a porn AU and you want your sex scenes to feel corporate, where everything is very scripted and squeaky clean and easy and everyone is clean shaven and waxed and are actors. That’s not very fun, in my opinion, nor is it very human.

So to counter this, especially for someone who isn’t experienced (which, no shame whatsoever! read the type of NSFW content you want to write!! The more you read, the more you’ll discover things you like – and things you don’t like.

I think that often, knowing what you don’t want to write is more helpful than what you do, because you can avoid that particular style/kink/scene/trope, and work towards something that’s your own even if you haven’t actually done any of it yourself. Becoming more and more familiar with different types of sex and different ways to experience sex only can prepare you more, so I highly recommend it!

Along with that, i’d suggest do some research from actual reputable sex education sites, not just the first link on google! A lot of people have ideas about what certain kinks or like bdsm stuff is and it’s just…not…what that is. For example, just because someone is on top during sex doesn’t mean they’re automatically a dom, and by that same account, just because someone likes getting tied up doesn’t automatically mean they’re a sub. Calling someone daddy during sex Is Not The Same as someone having a daddy kink. I think the more exposure you have to different types of sexual escapades, the more informed you’ll be about what’s actually what!

At the end of the day though, drawing on your own desires and your own fantasies is always going to make writing easier for you. You don’t have to have had sex to write sex scenes. I think having that experience certainly makes it come a little more naturally (again, pun intended i’m so sorry lol), but that’s certainly not to say that you’re forbidden from writing it.

If you have any scenes in your head that you imagine, or that you dream about, or any fantasies that maybe bounce around in the back of your head, why not explore them on the page? It might give you a jumping-off point to write the scenes you actually want or envision for your characters.

I hope any of this was helpful or made sense, and thank you again for asking!

#Anonymous #cowboy answers

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shigetsugu · 7 years

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hi i'm just curious! what flaws do you think kojuro has? i'm doing his ms noww but as far as i can tell his only flaw is being bad at cleaning ): but he's so attractive lmaooo i can't decide whether i like him or not

Hi there, anon! Glad you are doing his Main Story, even though I’m certainly biased, Kojuro’s is one of my favorite and one of the reason why I fell for him! Anyway, it is quite a tough question, isn’t it? I mean, he is seen as a flawless person much by players but also by in-game characters, so, does Kojuro have any flaw? Yes, of course he does, and I’m not just talking about his bad cleaning behavior either. I played all Kojuro’s events so far so I think I do know enough about the man but maybe I’ll miss some informations and I know there are new stuff that got introduced in KoiRan. I’ll try to explain everything the best I can, it’s certainly a bit longer than I intended to write first but I thought that context is always an important part on how I see things. I might have forgotten some informations and apologize in advance if so but I think it should show pretty much that Kojuro has flaws, like anyone else.

To begin with, Kojuro is one of the “oldest” main love interest in the game and he’s written to be seen as the wise older man type. It’s true at first that Kojuro gives off the vibes that he is perfect because that’s how he wants to be seen. I mean, he is thoughtful, loyal and caring, it’s true but he says so himself: it’s a facade he build up. In reality, he is more than the man you see at work, serious and hardworking and he worked himself hard to be the one called the “Dragon’s Claw”. This was explained (in Passionate Devotion event) that when he started working for the Date clan as a teenager, all the other retainers weren’t taking him seriously because of his age and appearance (remember everyone say that Kojuro looks younger than he is supposed to be and so started wearing his hair up) but also because of his background (he isn’t from a samurai family; he comes from a family of priests).

It has been mentioned as well but Kojuro wasn’t the man we know today when he was still a young adult; Shigezane and Masamune said that he was hardly holding himself back and was able to throw savage tantrum and he could be even more terrifying since he is the kind to dig in and find some juicy stuff to get back at you and literally destroy you. (Mentionned and proved in Our Sultry Night of Passion event and also shown in Noble Heart Exposed event). Kita even said once that Kojuro was a “rebel” and didn’t actually wanted to work for the Date clan (and Kojuro low key confirmed it actually happened).

Kojuro explained himself that he basically compartmentalizing with his private and public persona. I don’t know if we can say that he is really a lazy person, or depends on what I suppose, but it’s certain that he sucks at tidying up his room, he tends to buy more than one copy of a book, barely fold his own clothes, is really clumsy when it comes to cooking (he even asked for Shigezane to bring him so food once since he was too lazy to even try) and don’t bother to eat sometimes because of that or he isn’t a morning person and can sleep in his study without sleeping in his bedding… He is actually ashamed of these (which he label them as things that aren’t his “strong points”) but can’t help himself; it’s part of him whatever happens, even though he tries his best to change.

It’s interesting as well because in the AU events in KoiRan where Kojuro is there being younger, Kojuro was really the kind not to care much for people, giving him the attitude of a very detached and not very altruistic person. (I can’t give much examples but if I’m not saying something wrong, in one event, Kojuro was asked by Shigetsugu to help the MC find where she was supposed to be working at the new place she was assigned in the city but he didn’t even bothered to do it correctly.)

I’m going to talk about how he behave with his closest relationships because it’s really interesting. When he started serving Masamune, it was “Kojuro’s mistake” that Masamune’s eyesight got worse (it is still unconfirmed but that’s what Kojuro believes) because he failed to found out about the poisoned manju (as told in Claim Me at Last event). Although at first it says that it’s because of this guilt that Kojuro became even more loyal to Masamune (and thus making sure he wouldn’t allow himself to make anymore grave mistake), but Kojuro explains that it isn’t really why it made him even more protective of Masamune (I’m sure it was during one of Masamune’s event but I can’t remember which one but I don’t remember his exact reason, I’m sorry). Kojuro, as much as he loves Masamune, still puts a barrier between the two of them and don’t even dare to call him a friend (I wonder if it was during Masamune’s Unspoken Ties event but I don’t have it so I can’t be sure) which bother Masamune a lot since not only he sees him as his most loyal retainer, but also a dear friend and big brother figure. Kojuro has always put some distance with his peers even though he is very friendly and easy to talk to and I’m going to explain why I think he does that now.

We hardly talk about it but it’s important to remember that Kojuro, even though got taken care of by Kita and he himself says that he sees her as a motherly figure, still lost his parents at a young age and even waited for them to return (it’s never been mentionned how they died though). It’s implied that he missed some of this parental love and he wishes for his children not to know the same fate as he had with his own. He had actually a difficulut childhood (mentionned in the special ending of his second Main Story in KoiRan) and felt very lonely, I believe he lacked love for a long time so that’s why I’m going to talk about the way he was behaving with his preivous romatic relationships now.

Kojuro said that he had numerous lovers before the MC (The Bonds of Love Kojuro’s epilogue and Blossoming Lies events) but he never really fell in love with them. I believe that, since Kojuro always had a hole in his heart, he tried to fill this gap but never found someone to fit there (until the MC came in his life of course, he changed a lot after realizing his genuine love for her). He was going out with them for a while until they broke up (it’s not really told but it’s implied that he is the one who decided to) and I believe it was only because he never truly loved them and just wanted to feel some kind of strong affection even though it wasn’t shared (and certainly because he just wanted to relieved himself of his own earthly desire as he said so himself).

The latest event shows another side of him I would love to talk about because it could be confirming even more about the fact that Kojuro might have some kind of trust issues. Kojuro always took upon himself to serve not only Masamune personally but the Date clan and Oshu itself and thus, taking care for the problems was a normal thing to do. So when he realized that some of his retainers had difficulties to solve some problems in Shiroishi, he wanted to care of them himself like he always did. I think that the reason that it’s difficult Kojuro to let people do their job is only because he was in this position before and is probably to used to solve them but also because he has perfectionist tendencies. But not only this, it’s been shown that Kojuro can very stubborn, like REALLY when he wants to but can also thing that bothering for himself. We’re all used to have a Kojuro being able to commune his thoughts and feeling pretty easily and yet, sometimes he keeps stuff for himself even thought he knows he should be talking about them for different reasons and been mostly seen again in his second Main Story in KoiRan. It can be even more frustrating coming from someone you know that can, and more importantly want to make sure he is listened and understood.

All of these might not really be seen as evident flaws like it’d be with Saizo’s uncommunicativeness or Ieyasu’s trust issues but they really are stuff that are overlooked and overshadowed by his qualities and it’s actually normal. It doesn’t make him any less human; Kojuro is just working his butt to better himself in the eyes of other but more importantly in his own. He is just a perfecionnist and really don’t like to be seen as someone who can’t control his own emotions (he said a couple times that he always make sure to control his anger or even his lust, for example) and trust me, that’s the behavior of someone who don’t allow themselves to make any mistake or accepting failure and are even harder on themseleves than on others (such as the exemple of his lastest event, Diary of a Samurai Wife); he wants everything to be done nicely and quickly and so want to do it himself but realize that it was wrong to do this in the end.

#anonymous #ask #samurai love ballad party #slbp #i would like to apologize for my english too alkjfdkld #i'm actually dead after writing all of this #i hope i was able to explain things correctly...#slbp kojuro

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driftingglass · 7 years

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inb4 everyone loses their mind about how great BakuDeku is, I'm just trying to make a point. It's a debate, not an argument. That's just my rebuttal. (8/6 wow this got long)

Ah, man, I’m going to have to show all of your messages together because your response was awesome. The thing is, you do have many valid points, and I completely see where you’re coming from and why your point of view on this definitely needs to be heard.

I hope you don’t mind. I want to respond to you with you knowing that I read every piece of your response and I want to give you the time you’re giving me.

Same anon. Comparing a ship where Deku is told to kill himself and he suffers from depression from everything Baku put him through to “it’s like getting mad at someone for picking green as their favorite color” is a pretty bad comparison honestly. If you romanticize the behavior it leads to people thinking that it’s okay when it clearly isn’t. (1/6)

I agree, that this is a comparably weak analogy. However, I do not intend to romanticize anything when it comes to this ship. These ideas that I’m talking about may sound romanticized, but in execution it would be far harder and more difficult than it seems.

Also, I would never, EVER, expect the rules of a ship that I like and find interesting in an anime to reflect a real-life relationship or what I would want from a real-life relationship. Maybe this a little confusing, but when it comes to characters and their relationships, I usually never associate them with what I would want in real life.

Hence, this is why I enjoy writing about it so much, because of how relatively ridiculous and unrealistic it is (and I know that I mentioned the “realism” point on my post and your counter to that, which I’ll expand on).

Anyway. I agree that romanticizing this behavior is awful, and it shouldn’t be glorified. I don’t think Bakugou should be romanticized as a character at all. I’ve mentioned several times that he’s an asshole and should be held accountable, and in no way would I ever expect this ship to work in canon.

Basically, despite what I love about the ship, I’m completely aware of how horrible the idea of the bully/victim dynamic is reflected in real life, and how circumstances aren’t meant to be built and executed in this way outside of the realm of literature and other artistic mediums.

I understand that you base the attraction of the ship off of healing, forgiveness, growth, etcetera. However, that’s implying that Deku (and others like him who have been in the same situation) would even do any of that. Like he would actually have some kind of mutual love with the same guy who made him fucking hate himself. It literally makes no sense whatsoever considering if you’ve actually talked to anyone who has been bullied, they don’t typically go from “this guy is an asshole”… (2/6)

Hm, you have a point here. I agree with your first statement, but I also want to touch on the “actually have some kind of mutual love with the same guy,” tidbit. I want to clarify that I do think, even with these elements in mind, that Izuku and Katsuki, IF this was based canonically, would have to rebuild some semblance of friendship over years of reconciliation.

Also… I’m not sure, if Katsuki is actually the main cause of Izuku “hating” himself? I can’t defend anything for Izuku’s complete lack of confidence in the very beginning and the obvious effects that Katsuki’s bullying has had on him. And I don’t plan to, because I think you have a very good point here.

Also, Anon… I have been bullied.

I was bullied verbally and physically through elementary, middle and high school. My family dynamic has led to me being bullied and cornered in my own home. My only two romantic relationships stemmed from mental and sexual manipulation and abuse from people I once considered my best friends, and even though I forgave both of these people, I would never turn back and accept them in my heart again.

I’ve faced repercussions from every experience, and still do.

I understand how dreadful and deplorable bullying is, and how it affects victims and the people around them and dear to them. In no way do I want to ever come off as a person who romanticizes bullying or even promotes something similar to that.

But again, this ship is not based off of an idea that I would ever want in my life or want anyone I care about to experience. It’s an idea that I enjoy reading and thinking about in a work of total fiction, with aspects of it that I enjoy and relate to, while also understanding that my life and the works I enjoy are separate.

You can take that as you will.

This may seem backwards, but it’s how I feel.

(Also, Anon, I don’t see parts 3 or 5…? If you want this included on here, send them to me or let me know. I could be missing some of your response…)

Has anyone else who has been bullied relentlessly who is reading this felt that way /ever/? I seriously doubt it. Not only does it not make sense, but it insults the trope as a whole. You continue to make general contrasts and parallels to Katsuki and Izuku which is nice and all. That’s great. In fact, that’s fantastic for a platonic respect that would somehow grow from whatever bitterness they had before. (4/6)

Ah, this is kind of going off my last response.

I agree that it works mostly in a platonic respect, because mostly of what I love about these two characters and their parallels is their entire dynamic as a whole, both in a romantic and non-romantic context.

I was focusing on the romantic since that was the subject of the anonymous message you sent me, but there is no doubt in my mind that in the canon universe and even in general, these two work marvelously in the platonic respect.

That’s part of why I love the challenging (and seemingly impossible) idea of carving a romantic image out of it. Is it necessary to enjoy the dynamic? No. Absolutely not. I think your points on this make a ton of sense.

And no, as someone who’s been bullied for the vast majority of my life, I’ve never felt this way. Ever. I agree with you on that.

Again, that’s part of the challenge in writing about it, not exercising the practice in real life. I do think the ship is toxic and has a ton of issues, and I’ve mentioned that before–in fact, a lot of the reasons why I mention those to begin with, is based on making readers understand that what happens in this ship shouldn’t be celebrated as an embodiment of perfection or a work of fiction.

But, I see the problematic viewpoints in my arguments, as well. Some of these will lead to us having to agree to disagree, but I really love this rebuttal.

You can forgive someone but that doesn’t mean things are better. That doesn’t mean Deku is fine, it just means he’s let those actions go and he won’t let them haunt him anymore. But forgiveness isn’t an open door for romance. If someone has broken your best friend’s heart and you forgave them for that, it doesn’t erase the memories of you watching them cry or trying to console them because of what their ex did. (6/6 but I still have more to type and this inbox sucks

Everything you’ve said here, is completely, 100%, TRUE.

I absolutely agree on all of the points you’ve made in this specific section. Especially on the nature of forgiveness and how you’ve expanded on this from a previous section you wrote.

I also agree that forgiveness is not an open door for romance… but it can be.

Now, I’m not speaking from personal experience, and I’m not speaking for the experience of anyone else, but that sentence alone is not universally true. It’s a rather bold statement to make, and it would be impossible to assume that every person who forgives someone would shut the door for romance.

The circumstances are different with everyone, but it IS TOXIC for a person to immediately forgive, forget, and leap into a romantic situation with no rebuilding or actual time taking place. It’s a complicated subject that you’ve introduced well, and again, I think you’re correct.

Is it true for BakuDeku, though? Yeah, I think in terms of canon, you’re correct.

But this, again, is why I think it’s challenging. Also, while mentioning this, I do not think that people should feel obligated to open their options for romance upon the nature of forgiveness. Ever.

Again, what I find intriguing in a ship between fictional characters does not reflect what I would want to see from real people, especially those near and dear to me.

Your examples are very relatable too, and help bolster your argument well.

To clear one thing up, I’m one of few people who ship BakuDeku who completely understands why people hate the ship… for literally almost everything you’ve said so far. I know that this exists, and that your logical viewing behind it is completely valid and makes absolute sense.

The ship is ludicrous, and the elements that I find fascinating between the characters is why I want to write about them.

Also, yeah, the inbox system sucks on here. I’m sorry about that, but I appreciate you breaking up your responses!

If your father used to tell you to kill yourself and treat you the same way Baku did to Deku, you can forgive him but that doesn’t erase whatever Deku has gone through. Forgiveness isn’t a plot device to spur your ship. It’s far more complicated than that. And last but not least, you can challenge yourself with writing without having them fall in love after all the horrible shit Baku has done to Deku. BakuDeku is in no way realism. (7/6)

Again, I agree with you, especially on the first sentence.

I do find it… kind of unbecoming, to claim that I’m using forgiveness as a plot device to spur the ship. I suppose that it can be considered that, but I don’t take the subject of forgiveness lightly at all–I know that it’s one of the hardest, if not the hardest thing, you can do individually for both yourself and the person involved.

I’ve had to forgive quite a lot of people to give myself peace, and that has taken years at a time for some, and months for others. I’m fully aware how complex and emotionally rendering forgiveness is, and what it takes to follow through with it.

I also completely agree with writing about them challengingly and not having them fall in love. I think that’s what’s going to happen with the canon material, honestly. At least, I’m hoping for it, that they can overcome these hurdles and at least mutually respect each other as people.

Now, the romantic context? That’s purely for out of canon and not at all based on strict material or realistic representation within the manga or from personal experiences.

“BakuDeku is in no way realism.”

Hm. You may have a point here. I can see how my statement earlier on BakuDeku being a reflection of realism is flawed, and with the examples you presented I’ll respect that. I’m aware that it’s in a context of fictional characters with overly dramatic and exaggerated circumstances and personalities, and I do think there are realistic elements that can be taken with a ship based in an anime.

But I agree that outright claiming it to be based on a foundation of realism on top of everything else is a stretch, considering the argument you’ve presented.

inb4 everyone loses their mind about how great BakuDeku is, I’m just trying to make a point. It’s a debate, not an argument. That’s just my rebuttal. (8/6 wow this got long)

Anon, I think it’s actually really incredible that you bothered to present a well-thought-out, well-presented, and very cordially presented rebuttal to my response to your original message.

I’m grateful that you contributed to this as a discussion, and I love the points you made. I also don’t want you to think that I do support some of these elements that is mentioned above, and that my intention is in no way to romanticize the ship for what it is.

I also know you’re not trying to start an argument. I love what you’ve had to say, and I really appreciate it. I appreciate the respect and clear attention you’ve put into the post I made and your response, and I hope that my response isn’t angering you or upsetting you.

And if you didn’t want me to do this, please message me and I’ll gladly take it down

Thank you for this response.

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