#antisebaciel

[natsuki208]

Father and son matching Christmas sweaters. 😊🎄

Inspired by this image:

#black butler #kuroshitsuji #black butler fanart #dadbastian #sebastian michaelis #ciel phantomhive #antisebaciel

[delusinaldreamer19]

Sebaciel vs. Dadbastian, an analytical essay (not really)

Oh boy am I excited and terrified to start this discussion.

I’m just going to say right off the bat that I am absolutely biased towards one interpretation of Sebastian and Ciel’s relationship over the other, that being Dadbastian. However, my goal is not to criticize, but to analyze and point out the differences and, yes, correlations between the two versions of their relationship.

I’m going to start off by making a disgustingly blatant assumption about the reason why I believe both of these pairings exist in the form of a theory...Both the idea of Sebaciel and Dadbastian are coping mechanisms taken on by fans of the series to grapple with how dark the character’s canonical relationship truly is.

Now, I can’t speak for how much this really applies to Sebaciel shippers, as I am not one. But it certainly applies to me as someone who enjoys the idea of Dadbastian.

Let's start with the correlations that support this theory. Both of these concepts are versions of Sebastian and Ciel’s relationship that is more positive than it actually is. The plot of black Butler revolves around the fact that Ciel sold his soul to the demon he named Sebastian, and that upon their contract's completion Sebastian will kill Ciel and consume his soul as compensation. It’s a relationship that is predatory, manipulative, and just simply toxic for a plethora of reasons. While the manga is still ongoing so we have no definitive way of knowing exactly how their story will end, I don’t think it's controversial to say that it's very unlikely to have a happy ending.

Even so, black butler is a comfort series for many, including myself. But how is that possible?

By looking at the series as a whole and the characters through different lenses. A pro and con of black butler is that it’s very easy to interpret in many different ways, and the same applies to the relationship between Sebastian and Ciel.

I’d say there's 2 to 3 main ways that people have interpreted their relationship. In no particular order… - As it is in the series, where it’s strictly based on business and mutual benefit. They work together so that Ciel can get his revenge and Sebastian gets his soul. - Them being friends / frenemies - A ship, where they have romantic feelings for each other. (I’m not going to be discussing how people ship them for sexual reasons, as that's a topic for a different day.) - And Parental, where Sebastian serves as a father/mother (no I'm not specifying which) figure towards Ciel. I'm focusing on the latter two, obviously.

There’s one commonality between these two interpretations; Sebastian caring about Ciel (and vice-versa, but you'll see in a moment why that's not as relevant). There is loving nature to both, but romantic and parental love are not the same thing. So why, baseline, do both these versions exist?

My thought is that they both remove the main cause of distress in their canon relationship. Which is, you guessed it, Sebastian. More specifically his feelings/intentions towards Ciel. By creating scenarios where something changes his intentions of ultimately killing Ciel, it creates the illusion that there's a possibility that the series could have a happier outcome in the end, and a happy ending for Ciel.

Which brings in a new idea. Ciel, being the main character that we follow, despite having his own complex character, serves as the…how should I put this…automatic ‘self-insert’ for people. He goes through/has gone through trauma & struggles that people can relate to and see themselves in. That's why there is a strong desire to see him have a positive outcome through these two different relationships with Sebastian, because as a reader/viewer it will feel like we ourselves are experiencing that positive outcome.

See? Coping mechanism : )

Now here's where things get tricky…Discussing the differences between these two types of relationships. Ok, I could probably find a way to say this that's long and fancy, but I’m just going to be super straight forward. This is as an absolute read, I apologize :’) People ship Sebaciel because they want someone to love them, where they picture themselves as Ciel with Sebastian as the one loving him romantically. People like the idea of Dadbastian because they long for a parent's affection, where they picture themselves as Ciel being cared for by Sebastian.

Now, this is definitely just a theory, and absolutely not the only reasons why people come up with and enjoy each of these interpretations. But the Dadbastian one most definitely applies to me.

Here’s where my own opinion comes into play. Only one of these relationships is really ‘positive’ in nature. Both of these relationships when applied to the canon would be problematic in their own ways, but when looking at it outside of the context of the series and its plot, a parental relationship between Sebastian and Ciel, a thirteen year old boy and an adult figure, is more healthy than a romantic relationship between a thirteen year old boy and an adult figure. Please don’t make me explain why :’)

I’m really hoping this reaches the right audience. I’m not trying to start a war or offend anyone, just share my thoughts and an outlook that I haven’t really seen from the black butler fanbase before.

#black butler #kuroshitsuji #sebastian michaelis #ciel phantomhive #I don't really want to tag this as Sebaciel or antiSebaciel #I'm trying to pretend I'm neutral on the topic #but I'm not so #antisebaciel #please don't tear me to shred's #I have enough anxiety #analyses #“essays”

[bitter-rabbitholes]

fans who are like "ah yes its so natural sebastian, the demon, would use any tactic to manipulate his contractee, ciel, so its only natural he would seduce him 😏" sound so stupid to me because??

we know ciel is sex repulsed, uncomfortable discussing sexual things, and is traumatized by it and sebastian got a front row seat to all that??? so wouldnt sebastian know first hand, that is not the approach to put ciels guard down??

hell, he even states couple times ciel isn't "ready yet" or "doesn't understand" sexual interests and desires:

(about the green house boys being distracted by lau's girls)

and yes sebastain is a natural flirt! he's used to seducing and charming people (and half the time i think hes just doing it for the attention). but... imagine how unimpressive that is to preteen boy??? like, imagine describing a ~dark romance~ male lead from a YA book to your little brother, bro he is embarrassed by you. and that's the whole point, ciel finds sebastian embarrassing! most of the time, he thinks sebastian looks ridiculous when he impresses people!

and honestly?? what would be the best way to approach ciel is a parental approach. what's severally lacking in his life is a guardian figure that'll protect from all harm. that's what sebastian is fulfilling rn. that's whats working in the narrative!!

ciel puts his guard down when he acts like a child. and he did put his guard down enough that he gets surprised by it later!

(even more ironically, in ciels most vulnerable, honest state of mind, he does not want sebastian or any adult to put their hands on him. yet you talk about seducing, bro in what world???)

#like i dont even bat for dadbastian like that but #its so obviously in the narrative #and yall bring up freud that quack or some other nonsense #about subconscious desire but ciel doesnt have that! he doesnt even have it! #so its not even there! #what are yall on about! #🍅🍅🍅 #kuro #o!ciel #ciel phantomhive #sebastian michaelis #b.txt #anti sebaciel #anti sebciel #antisebaciel

[antisebaciel]

ABOUT ME!! 🦇

Hi! My name is Abby and I’m dedicated to putting Sebaciel shippers in their places. For too long the Black Butler fandom has had to deal with these roaches. It’s so normalised in this fandom that it makes me sick to my stomach. Sebaciel shippers have lasted for so long in this fandom because they haven’t been shamed enough. They need to know and feel the embarrassment we normal black butler fans feel when we get associated with such child likers. And yes if you ship Sebaciel and you’re reading this: you are into children indefinitely, non debatable. No sane minded person would look at a minor and a full grown adult and begin to see them interested in one another romantically and BE FUCKING FINE WITH IT.

Block me all you want, by all means go ahead. The main goal of this account isn’t for my posts to be shared around to shame you, I’m going to reblog every post I see which shames you disgusting lot. I want you out of the Black Butler fandom because I am sick and tired of being associated with you and having you plague the feed with your disgusting posts.

That’s all so far. Goodbye to everyone but Sebaciel shippers.

#anti sebaciel #black butler #antisebaciel

[starstruckhotbutlerlover-blog]

Sebaciel antis who take time to hurt strangers on the internet simply because they hate the ship are genuinely some of the dumbest people I've seen.

The point is proven even further when they simultaneously love Sebastian, ship him with other characters/with themselves, create fanfiction and fanart of him. How are they any different from sebaciel shippers?

Sebastian is a super problematic character. He has no sense of shame, almost no morals, enjoys blood and killing, lacks certain emotions, is narcissistic, is a manipulator and a wicked beast.

Yall are fucked up for liking a character like that and, even worse, fetishizing him. You guys are horrible people and your existence is a waste of air. You're a threat to society, go get some help. You're honestly disgusting and I don't want creeps like that on my blog 👋🏻

#hypocrite #sebaciel hate #antisebaciel #anti sebaciel #anti-sebaciel #hypocrisy #tired of this bs

[ciel--phantomhive]

just to be clear, this blog is an anti seba//ciel.

I don't mind shippers because one of them was nice to me, I will remind you and please don't follow this blog. Thank you.

#antisebaciel #anti sebaciel #myposts

[yomi-hellsimp]

Btw y'all, someone with too much free time on their hands made an anti Sebaciel account. So I'd recommend blocking them because they talk about "putting Sebaciel shippers in their place" and their goal I think is to share Sebaciel shippers to shame them or whatever tf (Like I said, too much free time) Here's the link to their acct but if for some reason it doesn't work, the name is antisebaciel.

https://www.tumblr.com/antisebaciel?source=share

#black butler #Kuroshitsuji #sebaciel #proshipper #proship #anti anti #anti harassment

[bitterrabbitt]

The king has spoken you’re all cancelled

#sebastian michaelis #ciel phantomhive #sebaciel #antisebaciel #j michael tatum

[smolangstycrow]

So...my art started to get reblogged by sebac*el shippers and I've never felt more uncomfortable on tumblr before.

Please stop interacting with me and my art.

#I just wanted to make a dumb meme #and here we are #its on me I should have specified but i literally forgot they existed #kuroshitsuji #black butler #antisebaciel #marina talks

[doomed-gal]

me:* trying to find sum Eren pics cuz I love him*

Ereri blogs: OWO UWU LOOK at these HOT pictures of LeVi a Man Who’s 30 and a bOy whO’s 15

me:

#anti #antisebaciel #anti ereri #im sorry its the truth

[natsuki208]

Ciel: Look, I know we don’t always see eye to eye but—

Sebastian: Thats because your too short to do so.

Ciel: ...Listen here you-

-

Ciel: What's this?

Sebastian, hugging Ciel: Affection!

Ciel: Disgusting.

Ciel: ...Do it again.

-

Ciel: Sebastian, I got suspended from school…

Sebastian: WHAT?!?! What did you do?

Ciel: My teacher pointed at me with a ruler, and he said “there is an idiot at the end of this ruler”.

Sebastian: And…?

Ciel: I asked which end…

Sebastian, unable to contain their laughter:Okay, you just made my day.

#black butler #kuroshitsuji #ciel phantomhive #sebastian michaelis #antisebaciel #incorrect quotes #like i said before #I’m having too much fun with this 😅

[onehellofawaitress]

stop. recommending. me. sebaciel fanart. tumblr

#antisebaciel #no thaa n k s #bye #yeet

[guzma-hates-cgl]

SEBASTIANS OFFICAL VOICE ACTOR EVEN HATES SEBACIEL.

#antisebaciel #anti sebaciel #im so tempted to tag this as the stupid ship #But those moldy cheese scented bastards would start bitching again #its so annoying #sebaciel #I did it so they best not be clowning on my post

[starstruckhotbutlerlover-blog]

There are so many sebaciel artists, writers, content creators and content consumers that antis wouldn't be able to destroy sebaciel even if they all gathered to do so. There's just too many of us, lol. To people who put in work to create for sebaciel - i love you and appreciate you immensely. Thank you for letting me enjoy this ship. I love you people who simply enjoy sebaciel and share artists' works, you guys are really important and have been nothing but friendly, funny and kind 💖🥂

#anti sebaciel #anti-sebaciel #antisebaciel #sebaciel

[asahisarms-blog]

unpopular (??) opinion

honestly i don't understand how you dont ship sebagrell like what?? are you doing??? with?? your life?? shipping pedophila? not in my house bitch.

#black butler #sebagrell #sebastian michaelis #grell sutcliff #antisebaciel #me and my anti ass just finna chill

[poneshyay]

Yo yo yo i run 3 anime blogs now

Bnha-

@mr-cockatiel

Black Butler (very antisebaciel)- @little-miss-grell

And my newest,

One Punch Man-

@hero--for--fun