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star-strings-spills · 3 years

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Thoughts on DreamXD & George Lore

DISCLAIMER: These are all just my observations, opinions, and theories woven together to explain my thoughts on certain characters and potential plot surrounding them. I know no more than the rest of you, and this is all purely just what’s been knocking around in my brain - I’m not looking to start arguments or anything of that nature. If you don’t feel the same way or have contradicting thoughts and whatnot, that’s perfectly fine and I genuinely hope you enjoy yourself. If you’re confused, have questions, or wish to add to the discussion, I’m more than happy to talk with you through private messages or reblogs.

WARNINGS: Character negativity, internal conflict, harsh reality; mentions of abusive behaviors, toxic relationships, derealization

XD is very... Emotional, for lack of a better word. Despite most gods being portrayed as otherwise, a lot of XD’s motivation is derived from his emotions, and they aren’t always positive. His mood flips far too easily depending on the situation right now, and although it's treated as something that just happens from time to time, it’s not very healthy to leave unchecked.

I wouldn’t be as concerned about if it wasn’t for the way he behaves when in a negative emotional state, which is in fact very concerning. If someone is immediately trying to hurt or punish others over something they don't like and refusing to really talk about it, that's a huge red flag for abuse. What makes it worse is when the incident is glossed over afterward and there isn't a discussion had about it because it lets the offender know they can get away with it if they band-aid apologize.

I'm not saying XD isn't a "good" character and couldn't become better, but right now, I definitely think there's something dark lurking there that we're going to find out about in due time.

And while I understand he's a god that isn't meant to know any better, his possessive obsessiveness over George and a friendship with him is very unhealthy. He's made it very clear that he's willing to do everything and anything to be friends with him, and it’s very clear how far that sentiment will go if need be. We already saw that he's willing to kill for him and send people to the void - what could stop a god from doing worse if he deemed it necessary?

The most obvious red flag for me, however, is asking George if they were best friends forever and telling him he better not be lying about it. That right there says everything I need it to about where this is going to go because the moment he thinks George has lied, all hell is going to break loose.

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George isn't innocent in this situation either - he's using XD both as a substitute for Dream and a way to get what he wants back. He agreed to be XD's friend not purely because he wanted to, but because he recognized that was the way to keep him happy and around for his own benefit. Of course, some of it may have been because he genuinely wants friendship, but I don’t think it’s primarily because of XD himself.

And he may think he has some control over XD and is steering him in the right direction, but at the end of the day, XD is a god and he is a mortal. If XD really wants to do something or believes it whole-heartedly, George isn't going to be able to get through and stop him. Not to mention, George is quick to accept XD’s half-apologies over his negative behaviors because they scare him - that's not teaching him anything, it's appeasement. Those are scarily enough the beginnings of an abusive relationship, and from what we've seen so far, I do strongly believe this is going to get far more toxic down the line.

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What I think could happen going forward is George will eventually realize that this is all a dream and isn't real, as much as he desperately wants it to be. He wants things to go back to how they were, and he has a hard time acknowledging the truth that they can't and has created this dream world of his to cope with it. By trying to relive what was through his dreams, he’s also reliving the tragedies because he isn’t doing anything to change what happened/happens. In the end, he’s going to find that life isn’t meant to be lived like a dream, and he needs to wake up from that belief in order to fix things rather than ignore them.

As for XD, well... I have a sneaking suspicion that XD became a manifestation of his thoughts and feelings surrounding Dream, and the line "Don't give up on me." from him is pretty telling of that. Beneath it all, I sincerely think George is struggling with losing his best friend and hasn't come to terms with the fact that he could've helped, but didn't. Through trying to “teach” XD, I think it’s his way of trying to make up for that and figure out how to do it right.

He recognizes those methods don't work, and eventually, George is going to realize that the best way to help XD - and in turn Dream - is by showing him genuine love and care from a friend.

He knows the good and the bad in Dream now, and George accepts them both as part of him, but he doesn't know how to fully deal with that yet. He treats the Dreamon and XD as both the same, yet separate entities - which is a good way of compartmentalizing how he views Dream’s actions. The issue with this, however, is that those parts are split into different eras of the SMP’s timeline now.

Currently with the way he’s handling XD, we can see George wants the Dream from the beginning back, but his mind recognizes that he isn't that same Dream in the present and therefore the Dreamon lashes out. Because of this, George has to put more work into helping him rather than either standing idly by or fighting back as he did with Dream originally.

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invisibletinkerer · 5 years

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Fic: The Secret Journal of 'Stanford' Pines

Size: ~3000 words AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/20864183

Stan Pines keeps a journal of brief daily notes during the summer of 2012.

Note: We all know that the Gravity Falls timeline makes no sense whatsoever. Therefore this is based on a headcanon timeline I made a year or so ago, trying to incorporate as many of the canon dates (in show and published J3) as possible, but ignoring the ones that were contradictory or made no sense. This still means some episodes did not happen in a strictly chronological order.

June 1

Kids are here. I have no idea what to do. Why did I agree to this.

Boy is a grump and girl made macaroni art in the kitchen. Did I even have macaroni?

June 2 Sunday

I think boy got spooked in the forest. He seems fine, though. Good taste in gold chains.

Girl is now dating some punk kid.

June 3

Kids looked like they’d been run over by the golf cart when they got back tonight. Not good.

Gave them some free gifts from the shop to cheer em up. Yes I know

Boy got a new hat. Should get him to wear a Mystery Shack shirt next. Girl found a grappling hook that was not in my inventory. Bold choice.

What would they say if they knew about me?

June 4

Fishing Season Opening Day – took the kids fishing.

Of course, they got excited about monster hunting instead. They’re listening to reason about as well as I and Fo did as a kid.

But. They came back to me in the end. We had fun.

I love those kids.

June 5

Soos found those cursed old wax statues I sealed up some ten years ago. Don’t seem all that cursed now. One had melted.

Mabel’s gonna make a new one for the wax museum. Meaning I’ll have to figure out how to make suckers pay to look at wax statues again.

June 6

Mabel’s wax creation nearly gave me a heart attack. It looks just like my twin me.

She’s crazy talented.

June 7

I’d say the wax museum reopening went well. Assuming “well” means “profit”.

Did anyone actually think I’d hand out free pizza?

June 8

Hanging out with my wax twin Stan, and the moment I turned my back he was murdered.

June 9 Sunday

Tried to hold a funeral for Wax Stan. Failed to keep it tounge-in-cheek.

Face it, Ford is long gone

June 10

Guess the wax people were still as cursed as I remembered. Kids killed them with fire – I should have done that long ago.

Dipper crawled in the vents all day looking for a wax head that got away.

If I keep telling him he’s delusional, he’s got to stop looking for trouble eventually, right?

June 11

Mabel decided I should date Lazy Susan. Couldn’t stop her. Now Susan and her cats keep calling me.

This was a bad idea. (I will never tell Mabel that.)

June 12

Went on a date with Lazy Susan to shut her up. That ended just as well as expected.

Need to figure out some more specific excuses.

June 13

The worst thing is, the Portal should work now. It’s functional. I just can’t get it to start.

Maybe I’ve been doing it wrong all along

I did fix that old copier. Don’t know if it still makes copies of people, but at least it makes copies of paper again.

Caught Dipper making oogly eyes at Wendy. I smell drama.

June 14

Did not expect “The Duchess Approves” to be that good.

June 15

The traditional Mystery Shack party that has nothing to do with any birthdays.

Mabel is a great singer, and that Northwest brat cheated.

Happy birthday, Sixer.

June 16 Sunday

Gideon Gleeful’s running TV ads again.

Of course my family goes to his show just to spite me.

June 17

Mabel played with Gideon today. Did not see that one coming.

As long as she’s happy, I guess.

June 18

I hate Pioneer Day.

Stupid people acting even stupider than normal, nothing works, then someone (me) ends up in the stocks.

June 19

Gideon and Mabel are dating!?

Seemed like a horrible idea, but Bud Gleeful has a point on the moneymaking opportunities if we play it right.

June 20

So if Mabel marries Gideon, his business will be incorporated into mine. I sure like the sound of that.

Bud is already making t-shirts.

June 21

June 22

OK, no. No deals with the Gleefuls. Not now or ever.

Mabel broke up with the little pest. Good riddance.

Got me a nice painting from Bud’s house, though.

June 23 Sunday

The Mystery Fair! It may look cheap, but it brings in the money.

Though someone broke all safety protocols and brought a futuristic laser gun to Dunkle the Grunkle. That’s unfair.

Mabel has a pig now.

June 24

Got roped into the gaming arcade with the kids.

Maybe get one of those games for the Shack?

June 25

Mabel decided to fix my fear of heights.

I can say this – being on top of a water tower about to fall over was unpleasant. Compared to that, a high but stable ground isn’t so bad.

Dipper got into a fistfight with Wendy’s boyfriend over teenage drama, but good on him for standing up for himself.

June 26

For some reason Gideon has gotten it into himself that he wants the Mystery Shack now.

Good luck, kid. I’m a better conman than you’ll ever be.

June 27

Mabel is slightly taller than Dipper. This is funny.

Gideon Gleeful trying to be threatening while throwing a hysterical fit after breaking my new mirror maze – mostly confusing. Wish I knew what went on in that kid’s head.

June 28

Kids made me wear the golden teeth. Guess they think I’m a dishonest man.

Fortunately, I’m good at bullshitting even when telling the truth. Think I scandalized the poor things. Hilarious.

Could have been disaster, though. Could have easily made them hate me.

June 29

Spent half the day falling down the Bottomless Pit.

June 30 Sunday

Summerween, now that’s a respectable local holiday.

Scaring children for fun and profit. Celebrating true evil together with family.

July 1

Hottest day of the year. Wax Stan was permanently murdered by the weather.

Closed the Shack and went to the municipal pool with the kids.

Gideon stole my perfect pool chair. It’s on.

July 2

Broke into the pool area at night to get the chair to myself. Which was a good plan, until I wanted to get up later in the day. The pest had coated it with glue.

The kids broke into the pool at night, too. Didn’t ask.

July 3

Opened the Shack again.

Can’t be too lazy. Tourists to fleece and all that.

July 4

July 5

Mabel bet she could run the Shack better than I can. Well. I’m nothing if not a gambler.

So, three days of vacation, in which I will make more money than she will make running the Shack. Winner takes the Shack, loser sings a silly song.

Best case scenario, she learns something about business and stops complaining. Worst case, she actually makes money and then runs the Shack for me the rest of the summer. Not bad.

July 6

Made it past the line to be a contestant on Cash Wheel, using my Old Man powers and lack of common decency.

Why is it so hard to sleep

July 7 Sunday

Well. I lost at Cash Wheel.

Guess that means I lost the bet with Mabel, too. Unless I go rob a bank or something in the time I have left. Hm.

July 8

Turns out Mabel barely broke even when running the Shack. She did win the bet, but she didn’t want my job, no surprise there.

I’m proud of her for learning something.

She still made me sing that song. On video tape. It’s kinda catchy.

July 9

Mabel’s friends came for a sleepover. They make a lot of noice.

July 10

Soos managed to uncover the door to Ford’s that old study I sealed thirty years ago the very moment the kids demanded separate bedrooms.

I never wanted to see that room again. His glasses were still there

Guess they didn’t want the room in the end, but now it’s open. Can’t re-seal it.

I think they messed around with the freaky carpet. Took it away at the end of the day just in case.

July 11

I fucked up, but I fixed it.

I got Mabel’s pig back, even when I had to punch a pterodactyl in the face for it.

She doesn’t hate me.

I love that kid so much.

July 12

That weird egg I pocketed from the dino-cave hatched. Dipper says it’s a compo-whatnot.

I call him Compy. He’s now my Mystery Pet.

July 13

Soos’ birthday. The kids tried to throw a party, which is. Bad idea.

Think he appreciated laser tag, though. And the magic pizza they got him. Never seen him so happy on a birthday.

July 14 Sunday

Turns out Compy is a very tiny dragon. Hoards stuff, mostly cash. In places I can’t reach.

It’s no good. Gonna hand the chicken-lizard over to farmer Sprott first thing in the morning before he bankrupts me.

July 15

Mabel and her friends went to some boy band concert. Got back late with a large pack of spoils. Probably robbed someone.

Wendy’s boyfriend is charming her with homemade music. Dipper suspects magic. Can’t rule that out.

July 16

There was a hypnotic message in the music, but telling Wendy about it only made the teenage drama worse.

Went bowling with Dipper afterwards to cheer him up. Should have a chat with Wendy, too.

July 17

Gideon I’m How could

Didn’t know Gideon was that serious.

As if half-lucid dreams about that yellow triangle wasn’t bad enough. (The kids know something. Not asking. I want them to stay away from that stuff.)

We’re staying with Soos as I panic figure out how to fix this.

July 18

I can’t fix this.

Gideon’s got the whole town eating out of his hand and I’m just a grouchy old man.

Doing the responsible thing. Got bus tickets to send the kids home tomorrow.

Whatever I do next, don’t want them to watch.

July 19

GIDEON IS A LITTLE SHIT AND I AM AWESOME.

Figured out his trick, proved it in public and now he’s in jail.

Got the Shack back. Got the kids back.

And. Get this. Gideon had one of Ford’s missing journals. I have it now.

July 20

I can’t believe it. Dipper. Had the third journal all summer.

All three of the dumb books are right here in front of me.

I activated the Portal. Simple as anything.

It’s scanning for Ford right now.

I’m actually bringing him back.

July 21 Sunday

Grand reopening of the Mystery Shack turned into a zombie-fest.

Kids could’ve died because I was too busy with the Portal to pay attention. That won’t happen again.

Should have talked to them about weirdness sooner. Hope they believed me when I said I have no more secrets.

A little worried that government might have picked up signals from the Portal.

July 22

Repairing the Shack. Too much undead slime to attract tourists like this.

July 23

Re-reopened the Shack.

Dipper got himself an old laptop computer from somewhere. Probably stolen. He tried to hide it.

July 24

Went minigolfing with the kids.

Mabel challenged Pacifica Northwest to a duel at midnight. I’m so proud of her.

Letting kids into minigolf courts at night to take a rich snob down a few pegs – finally putting my skills to good use.

July 25

I still can’t believe the Portal works.

It keeps scanning.

July 26

Tried to bring old Goldie back to the gift shop but apparently he’s unhip and scary. Had to throw him away before the parents sued me.

What I do need is a singing animatronic robot badger. That’s what kids like these days.

July 27

Soos missed work for the first time ever. Seems to be girl trouble, but the kids are handling it.

Would’ve stolen myself a robot badger if it hadn’t tried to kill me. Saved by old Goldie. No way I’m not keeping him now.

July 28 Sunday

Went for a Vegas vacation because I deserve it.

Not because I’m nervous.

Brought Goldie, might have gotten slightly drunk. And slightly married.

July 29

Mabel found herself a new obsession with hand puppets.

She’ll throw a big show on Friday. Made me rent Gravity Falls theatre for her. (Can’t believe I did that.)

July 30

The Shack is full of sock puppets and kids and Mabel keeps singing.

Guess this is my life now.

July 31

August 1

Soos went to his cousin’s wedding with his new girlfriend. Good on him.

Mabel’s still obsessing about puppets.

Dipper looks like he hasn’t slept in days. Can’t blame him with all this ruckus.

August 2

Play was good! Think it paid for the costs, too. Mabel’s got showmanship.

Don’t get the ending, though.

I mean. Children fighting always makes for good footage, but was it necessary to beat Dipper up that bad? I swear Mabel don’t know how strong she is.

A little worried about Dipper. He seemed high as a kite all day. Probably sleep deprivation. At least he’s sleeping now.

August 3

August 4 Sunday

Gravity’s going more crazy around the Portal the longer it’s on, but I don’t care.

It hasn’t found Ford yet.

It won’t find him if he’s dead

August 5

The Portal ate my notebook.

Got a nasty cut on the back of my hand from some debris, too. Could have been worse.

August 6

Tried to advertise the Mystery Shack for the kids at the Woodstick Festival. Hilarious disaster.

Being feared is worth more than being loved anyway.

August 7

August 8

IT FOUND HIM.

He’s alive. There’s a lock on his position.

Fuck I don’t I have to

I know how it works. It needs to calibrate for a while. It needs to be fueled for the big moment.

I’ll go rob a government facility right now.

(So glad the kids are off at the Northwest party tonight.)

27 hours and then I’ll see him again.

August 9

Ford is back.

I had to run from the feds and the kids found out everything the wrong way but it worked and he’s back.

But he doesn’t He still hates me.

Why would I expect anything else.

Don’t know what I’d do with myself if the kids weren’t here.

It’s fine. I fucked up everything, but. Mabel trusts me. Dipper forgives me. I’m fine.

not crying

August 10 Sunday

The Shack needs repairs again.

Spent most of the day making Duck-tective finale preparations with Mabel. We had fun.

Told the kids to stay away from Ford.

August 11

Dipper has predictably decided to be nerd friends with my brother.

Can’t stop him. He looks happy. Both of them do.

Still can’t figure out why Ford would have reality altering dice lying around in his sci-fi pouch.

Anyway. I knew Duck-tective had an evil twin.

August 12

I hate everything.

Ford will take my his place here soon enough, does he have to undercut me while I’m still here?

I’m running for mayor now.

August 13

Kids are helping me with a political campaign. Apparently I know nothing about politics and have unpalatable opinions. Bah.

August 14

The Stump Speech went great! I relax, words happen, people cheer.

Dipper got a lucky tie for me. Think it really works.

August 15

Should’ve tried being a politician before. Almost feels like people like me.

August 16

Nope. Politics is not for me. Too much mind control.

Should’ve known it wasn’t me making those speeches.

(The kids shouldn’t get into politics either. Can’t always be there to save them from murder.)

Turns out I’m not mayor material, but I’m a HERO.

Take that, Ford.

August 17

Rented an RV and took Soos and the kids and Mabel’s friends on a road trip.

Pranking the tourist traps. Good old Mystery Shack tradition for the last time.

Dipper’s practising flirting like a pro.

August 18 Sunday

Almost got eaten by a spider-woman. That could have gone better.

Have to admit, the kids are heroes too.

Don’t think Ford noticed we were gone.

August 19

Opened the Mystery Shack for the final stretch.

Two more weeks, then I’m gone for good.

August 20

Made a good deal on illegal pugs. Still got it.

Ford and Dipper put some magic mojo on the Shack. Not gonna ask.

Might have something to do with how badly Ford is sleeping.

August 21

Ten days left until the kids’s birthday and the end of summer.

Guess I’m doing a countdown now.

August 22

Nine days left.

August 23

Eight days left.

I’m gonna order a ponytail kit.

August 24

HELL NO I DON’T NEED THIS.

It’s the literal end of the world and the kids are missing.

Suddenly orange skies, goats turning into monsters, the whole shebang. I thought I had enough troubles.

That magic on the Shack seems to be protecting it, but. THE KIDS ARE MISSING. So is Ford.

??? 1

Day and night are replaced by eternal glowing orange and every single clock is busted, so no more dates.

Went out looking for the kids, but all I find is other people. Also demons. No sign of Soos or Wendy, either.

Been taking people to the Shack. Safest place on Earth for all I know. I have enough brown meat and elected myself Chief.

The kids are fine. Probably with Ford. That’s the ticket.

??? 2

Went out looking again. Found the Northwest girl dressed in nothing but a potato sack. She was crying and I don’t want to know, but she didn’t deserve it.

Been told the head honcho is the yellow triangle. He calls this Weirdmageddon.

Old McGucket showed up more coherent than usual, herding a whole flock of forest creatures into the Shack. Starting to get crowded here.

The kids are fine. Of course they are.

??? 3

There’s still people alive out there. I heard cars over at Gleeful’s place.

Didn’t see anyone else.

I’ve lost I couldn’t even

Mabel and Dipper are definitely still alive. So is Soos and Wendy. And Ford better be.

??? 4

They’re alive!

All four of my kids, bursting through the door like cops doing a raid but they’re alive!

Now all I want is for them to stay here and be safe. Why can’t they see that?

I’m done saving my brother’s skin and getting nothing but scorn for it.

Ford made his own bed with that demon. Forget it.

??? 5

Did I mention, the plan concocted by five kids, Soos, and a known madman is utterly insane?

They’re rebuilding the Shack. I just had it repaired, too.

It’s my house, but no one’s listening to me.

??? 6

I keep having this bad feeling about Ford.

It’s dumb. My brother has made it perfectly clear how he feels about being saved.

??? 7

Well then.

Not letting the kids lead an apocalypse rebellion against a demonic triangle without me.

August 25 Sunday

August 26

August 27

August 28

Huh. I can’t remember writing this, but it does ring a few bells.

It’s like I

I need to talk to Ford.

August 29

So. The apocalypse is over, and we’re all fine.

We killed the demon by burning my mind out when he was inside, pretty much.

My mind’s still there, but it’s kinda. Well. In need of repair.

Spent a few days reliving good memories.

Turns out there’s more than a few bad ones, too. But.

Everyone is so good to me

I don’t deserve this

August 30

I remember how Ford looked at me after I brought him back.

Now he acts like he likes to he thinks I’m

Now it’s like he’s my brother again.

He said. “Thank you.”

August 31

The kids have left. I’ll miss them, but I’ll see them again.

Until then, my brother and I are going sailing.

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tsskyx · 3 years

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Unmeta

You know what’s ridiculous? This post was originally supposed to be an essay, an entire thesis backed with unshakable logic that I wanted to become my magnum opus. But as it turns out, I’m pretty terrible at doing that sort of thing. The first day I’m full of enthusiasm, while the next day I reread what I wrote and I delete it all again. It’s terrible.

For this reason, I’ve decided to just start with the opinion part. Instead of laying out the facts and easing the reader into it, I’ll just blurt everything out in one go. Instead of neatly organizing everything, I’ll write my thoughts as they come to me.

(Update for 2/Oct/2021: I no longer remember when I made the first draft of this post. Maybe it was in 2018, maybe even as early as 2017. Who knows. This post existed in my drafts since forever. It is time to finally publish it. It contains very little information, very little evidence for anything or logic or facts, it’s just a one big opinion piece that I began writing years ago out of frustration. Frustration not aimed at the game itself, nor at Toby or anyone else, but at my inability to decouple the “meta” from Undertale and thus causing me to disassociate from the characters that I loved, when I didn’t plan to do so. All I ever wanted is to make sense of the Undertale world, instead of giving its inhabitants a meta-existential dread. In a nutshell, for the Undertale world to be self-contained, the 4th wall must stay intact, and the mechanics of the UT world mustn’t resemble a video game. That’s basically the gist of this post. Proceed with reading.)

You know Undertale meta? All the 4th wall breaking stuff and whatnot? The stuff that makes the game so awesome?

What about it you say?

It’s not real. I don’t think it is. It cannot be.

Tell me, has Undertale personally impacted you? Was it more than just a game to you? I know for a fact that for many people, it was much more than that. So tell me, is it fine by you that despite presenting itself in this way to us, it still sort of cops out of this at the very end? (By which I mean, when we learn that we aren’t Frisk. That we’re just someone controlling them.)

Some say that this cop-out, this act of “disassociation”, is necessary for our psychological journey to end. And I agree. We cannot dwell on this forever, else we lose our minds. But what I meant is something much more... materialistic.

Let’s take Oneshot, a game that’s arguably even more meta than Undertale. Oneshot embraces the 4th wall. It labels us a god. It portrays the game itself as an in-game machine. And yet, it feels real. Despite all this ridiculousness, the story feels real and possible. Kind of like The Matrix. Perhaps think of everyone in Oneshot except for the main character as a Matrix program, while Niko is the only user hooked up to it. It still feels real, because Niko is real, because there exists a real world they can to return to.

But Undertale floats somewhere between being real and being a fairy tale, a mere bedtime story. The reason is its lax handling of the 4th wall. Say, if Undertale were to be considered a “real” possibility, as in, entirely fictional, but still believable, kinda like The Matrix, kinda like any science fiction, or just fiction in general, what would it be like?

I’ll tell you, everything would have to be real, everything would have to look exactly how we see it. There’d need to be turns, there’d need to be save files, there’d need to be so many bizarre things, it probably wouldn’t take long before the NPCs themselves realized their own nonexistence, probably around the time they developed computers and video games. It’d be so similar, they’d have to be either stupid or under some kind of spell to not realize that their entire world is just one giant video game. Especially Flowey. Some say that he has already realized this, as his dialogue hints towards this. Which puts a super unfortunate spin on his condition. Furthermore, the entire game could be described through its Game Maker code. No need for laws of physics, just observe the if-else statements!

It would also mean that Frisk is controlled by a third unknown entity. If we were to take everything we do to Frisk at face value, it must all be them. Except... after a true reset, everything gets reset, even things about Frisk, such as them expecting the whoopee cushion prank. So... Frisk isn’t in control. But Chara isn’t either. Take for example the final fight against Asriel. Chara appeared pretty enthusiastic during it. What if someone were to reset the timeline during the fight? Either it wasn’t them who did so, or they were just pretending to be entertained, or perhaps they aren’t the narrator in the first place even.

No matter what, there will always be an instance where Frisk forgets, and where Chara doesn’t do something when they could have. Once you mess with the game enough, their personalities stop making sense.

This gradual breakdown of the narrative as I keep attacking the logic of it from every direction imaginable is a symptom of something far bigger. The fact that unlike The Matrix or Oneshot, there is no “real world” in this game. The virtual part of it is what the game is trying to make us focus on. It’s all there is. There is not even a hint of “another” world in the game, a world that wouldn’t be governed by these terrible rules. And even if there was one, even if you consider what Sans said to be that world, even if you considered Deltarune to be that world, there is still no guarantee that everything will be okay. What if the characters - your friends, aren’t real in this actual real world, what if they’re all just computer simulations? There’d have to be an entire population hooked up to a virtual reality for everyone to be “safe” as I’m putting it in this hypothetical real world, which sounds not only ridiculous, but like a direct ripoff of The Matrix.

The game has made Frisk the main character. Why, when making Sans the main one, the one who at least has a possibility of coming from a “real” real world, would be far more logical?

Because it lacks logic. Undertale is an experiment. Toby Fox is not a genius. He was just messing around, he didn’t think of literally every tiny little logical detail (contrary to what some individuals would like to think), he just explained enough for most of the story to make sense. But, no matter how you spin it, this fundamental flaw will always be there. The story tries to merge you and the protagonist, before disassociating you from them. Even if you always were disassociated from them, how can the in-game world be real, when other aspects of your reality weren’t disassociated yet? Where’s the disassociation for battles and turns, for save files and time travel, for stats and everything? How can Undertale claim to be complete, when it isn’t? ... Perhaps because it is not claiming to be. It’s an experiment after all. And I don’t mean “incomplete” as in a single update / new game can fix it. I mean the premise itself is already broken from the start. And while there are many fictional worlds which function on a similar level of meta, Undertale is the only one that appears to irk me mad. I don’t know why. Maybe I love the characters. Maybe I love them very much. Maybe I love them so much, that I wanna write a fan fiction about them. And maybe, just maybe, this tiny little issue is making this dream of mine impossible. Undertale is a story conveyed through game mechanics. Choosing any other medium breaks everything down and the author needs to invent their own rules. There’s simply no way around it. Unless someone has the balls to program a fan game of their own, there’s just no way to resolve this without adjusting the canon a little bit, to make it “a little bit more sensible” as some would put it. Just a small nudge, a lil’ nudgie wudgie to the canon mechanics AAAAAND we’re in fanon territory. Excellent, better go all out.

Here’s my head canon, my little “adjustment” of the canon rules. Thanks to it, I can once again think about Undertale as a real world, I no longer need to philosophize over the meta like I did above, I can all put it past me:

Saving, loading, resetting? Regular sci-fi time travel.

The save file? The parameters of the time machine.

LV and EXP? Another set of properties of the machine, though it could be properties of the soul too. I’m undecided on that note. But either works, that’s what’s important.

Chara destroying the world through LV? No, screw that, Chara merely tuned Frisk out. And the black void was the inside of their mind as Chara denied them access to their own body.

The intro? Literally never happened, no one “saw” it. (The past was still real. It’s just the intro that never existed.) The outro? Literally never physically occurred, Frisk wasn’t “stuck” on the ending credits, unable to go further, fuck that.

Flowey? No screw everything meta about Flowey, there exists a perfectly logical explanation to everything he says, and if not, such as in the genocide run with him hinting towards people watching but not acting... he never said that in the first place!

Same with turns, the battles don’t actually look that way, there are no turns, what Sans perceives and abuses as such is just an illusion, the actual battle against Sans is absolutely fluid. And him pausing at the end and not letting us go is him keeping his guard up, until falling asleep and giving us an opportunity to sneak near him and strike. We don’t need turns to explain it. And what he said about turns... just ignore it! Ignore everything that directly proves me wrong! Because resolving that fucking conundrum IS more important than being logically consistent, and you can’t change my mind on that. Screw logic when the foundation of the entire fandom, of every UT-related fiction, is at stake here.

And I shall call this philosophy... the Unmeta. Because it attempts to undo the meta. Hence, “unmeta” for short.

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bymyblood · 6 years

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I don’t know if I can work today. I thought I could at first but I’ve been up since 7 and unable to sleep. I got plenty of sleep last night of course, but when I woke up I remembered yesterday and was overwhelmed with sadness. I tried to call Sam a couple of times but he sent me to voicemail. His voicemail box is full so I sent him an audio message through messenger. I have no idea if he listened to it. I want to talk to him so bad. I feel broken. My chest has this awful pain that will not go away. And the only thing I know that will make it better is talking to him. Hugging him. Being in his arms and feeling safe. All I want is him and he’s pushing me away. It hurts so bad. I was going to hug him yesterday but there was never a good moment. My memory is so bad now, after being ill and on all those drugs, and it’s frustrating. I’m not even sure the last time we kissed. It might have been on New Year’s Eve. And that was just a quick peck, barely anything. I can’t remember for sure the last time we had sex either, but I know it was good. The last few times were great, which I remember for sure because we had been having not much/not great sex for a few months there and Sam had been feeling upset about it for a while. We talked about it a lot and it ended up getting better for the last couple of months. I still don’t know what changed to make him break up with me. He has a lot of stressors in his life atm, but he had some before too. I got him through so much honestly. When we started dating, he was in the closet, depressed and suicidal, and was still working as a housekeeper. Since then, he has come out, started his transition, gone through two agonizing psych ward stays, gotten to a better place mentally (though he still has a lot of problems), and unceremoniously gotten fired from the housekeeping job. The being fired had a huge impact on him for sure. But what changed?? I can’t figure it out. We’ve been having problems for months but only recently have they gotten over the top. It started getting really bad around September/October. I got a job in that time. He lost his in November. Here’s a timeline of events: first big fight at the end of September. It was something dumb. I didn’t support him moving out to get away from his mom, and he had expected me to be on board. He felt betrayed, overreacted, and was manic. He said we were over. We talked it out later and he apologized and came back to me. Second big fight in mid November. I spurred it that time, albeit unintentionally. I was going to take his one month on T photos after work but I asked him if I could come over a couple hours later so I could spend a little time with my mom. He said it was fine so casually, but actually was really looking forward to having me over and wasn’t okay with it. That’s where the problem started- the dishonesty. It was such a petty thing, but he was very upset and angry over it and tried to end the relationship again. We had a big long talk about it over dinner at mellow mushroom and we came out feeling great. We decided that we were going to back off a little on our relationship. Take things down a notch- no more living together, more structured time together, etc. It was so great, we saw a movie afterward and everything. That was the peak of our conflict resolution.

Early December, third big fight. Well, less of a fight. He cussed me out (December 5) over the phone because I was pushing his limit with something he didn’t want to talk about. My fault for pushing him, but his fault for overreacting and lashing out. The next day (December 6) he acted totally normal. I told him that the way he treated me wasn’t okay and he said he knew it wasn’t. That was the extent of our conversation. Then we went to the mall and had a good time. The whole time though he was kind of down and depressed. That night I texted him and said I was feeling kind of sad because I knew he hadn’t had a great day- I called it secondhand depression. I shouldn’t have said that because I think it made him feel guilty. The next day (December 7) he texted me at work and said something along the lines of “this isn’t working, I am not supporting you like I should and we need to break up.” Then he realized I was at work, apologized, and said to call him later after tkd. I did so, and he officially broke up with me. It was a long ordeal, all over the phone, and it was awful. I was heartbroken. After we finished talking, I looked at his blog and saw that he was posting suicidal stuff. I was so scared and texted his mom to keep an eye on him. I fell asleep crying. But then the next day (December 8) he did a lot of introspection and found his book about BPD that I gave him months ago and started reading it. He called me up and he sounded really good. It was like a complete turnaround from the night before. He said that he was learning a lot and identifying problems in his behavior. We talked a lot about it and how he was going to study the book and make himself better. I felt hopeful for him. Later that night he told me that he might have made a mistake breaking up with me. We talked a lot, and I sent him a bunch of songs to listen to. I told him that I was still hanging on and that I still believed in him. He said that he was going to learn more about managing his BPD and that he was going to be a better man for me. He asked if we could just be friends for a while until he got his shit together and fixed himself. We agreed on that and he told me he was excited to be friends. (All on December 8) For a few days, that worked out fine. We texted a bit like usual, mostly sending each other links to memes and whatnot.

On December 16, we went downtown to see a movie I’d been begging him to take me to. Lady bird. I told him that’s what I wanted for Christmas. So we went and saw it, and had a great time together, even though I was on my period and crampy. On the way to the movie, he said something along the lines of that he wanted to depropose to me so that in the future he could repropose to me and do it right, and keep things right between us. It was really sweet and made me feel so hopeful. After the movie, we walked around a few places that were still open, and had a good time. Before I start this next bit, a bit of background: sam and I have always disagreed about race stuff. To help explain his views, here is some info about his background: “white trash” family on one side, parents divorced at a young age, raised by a single mom, poor, abused by his stepmom, started working at 15 to support him and his mom. He is one of the white people that has not experienced much of that good ol white privilege. He is a fan of racist jokes, is okay with using the n word, and denies/is not aware of systemic oppression towards black people. I’ve tried to argue with him on it several times, but it always ends badly, so I have learned to just let it go, and he has learned to not make those types of jokes around me. Now, the next part: while we were walking around, at one point we walked in between a big group of white dudes, and I made the mistake of joking that I felt a lot more scared walking through their group than I ever did walking past the homeless black guys on the road. That started it I think. I shouldn’t have said it. We walked through one more store, still had a good time, then headed back to my car. On the way to the car, he said something along the lines of this: “sometimes I wish I would have been been born black. My life would be easier, I would have received more help from the government and I would have had more opportunities.” When he said that I tried not to rail against it too harshly. I said sometime along the lines of “well not necessarily. Because you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be black. You gotta remember that many black people are born into poverty and bad situations, so you don’t necessarily know if you would have had it easier.” He got kind of ruffled and quiet after that. Once we were in the car he was acting all quiet and distant so I asked him what was wrong. He acted like there wasn’t a problem for a few minutes but I kept pushing because I could feel the tension in the air. He basically said he was on edge about the race comments we had shared, and we talked about that and it spiraled downward. He said he wasn’t being serious with what he said, he was just joking... why can’t I just take the joke. Why do I always have to take things so literally. He was frustrated. We didn’t argue much; we mostly just shared a really negative tension over it. Honestly it ruined the whole night and tore down the goodness we had started to build back. I wish I had never said anything about it. The next day we talked very briefly and he made it clear he wasn’t in the mood to chat with me. I let him be for a while.

That night (December 17) I texted him about it being a year since I went back to the hospital for the second time. I texted him a picture of himself smiling in the ER right before they moved me to a bed. He asked me to stop, and said that pictures like that make him feel shitty and guilty because he doesn’t love me like he did back then. He said he was trying to forget the past and move on with the future. I countered that in the past he often liked to look back at old pictures like that, and he replied “Not when things are different. Example, I was so happy with you back then, now I’m not. It hurts to look at those pictures.” I apologized and said that I felt sad too, but also hopeful for the future when he was doing better. He said “I wish you weren’t so hopeful.” I said “I wish you weren’t so hopeless.” He said that it’s over between us seriously, that he doesn’t like me anymore and that our disagreement from the day before made him realize that we’re different people now and that we don’t match up anymore. I said please don’t do this, and he said he can’t do it. He can’t make himself feel anything for me and he hates it but it’s true. I told him there is a difference between lack of love and depression, and he said he had both. I said it feels like he’s giving up on both us and himself, and he insisted that he was moving forward with himself. He texted me a picture of some goals he had written down in his notes app. I told him that I couldn’t stand this, that I didn’t understand what happened to get us there. I sent him pictures of a bunch of old notes he had written me during the good times. He said he was so sorry and that he didn’t know things would change back then. I asked why that, just a week earlier when he broke up with me, he ended up calling me later and regretting it. He said he didn’t know, that he kept fucking with my emotions. I told him that I know that the love is still there, that I have seen it from him. I told him I can live without his love for now but that I didn’t want to live without him. That scared him, and he started insisting that I can be independent and do my own thing. He said he didn’t want me to give up on life, and I told him that wasn’t what I was saying. He told me that there are other fish in the sea and that he is sorry for rejecting my love. I told him that I’m not a regular fish and that he’s my person that I picked for life. That made him upset. He said he can’t help that I chose him and that I should stop talking to him completely. I asked him what happened to being friends, he said that he doesn’t want to be friends because we don’t have anything in common and he can’t joke with me. I said he’s forgetting the good parts, that we have tons of jokes together. He said that all that is in the past and that he has changed. I said we had one disagreement yesterday and that it ruined the whole night, but that he was the one that let the disagreement take over and mess up the rest. I told him that our jokes and good times from before are still there. He insisted again that he has changed. I told him the point that I’m making is that he is the problem with the relationship. Him not taking responsibility and not putting in equal effort is messing things up. He said he completely agreed. I told him to not reply, just wait and let me finish. I then sent him a series of lengthy text messages that I will post in a group after this post. One sec.

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knightofbalance-13 · 7 years

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I don’t hate Jaune...I just treat everything he does as wrong by default and get angry at him because of it.

http://jaynefray.tumblr.com/post/155917318751/ok-so-this-is-my-problem-with-this-guy

No, you do hate Jaune. You just don’t want to be called out on it.

Under read more. Spoilers: It contains some of my anger over cerain blond teenage character of RWBY. I don’t mean it as hate, I’m just tried of seeing this kind of stuff over and over again and I finally need to vent.

And yet as we go on, we’ll see that you have chosen to intreupt things in the most negative light possible with Jaune. You will choose to see everything he does or everything around him as bad to the point of direct contradiction of the show and hypocrisy.

The thing that pisses me off the most about Jaune’s manpain over Pyrrha is that it seems to be post-production mistake fixing. They forgot to develop this romance from Jaune’s perspective, having him ignore Pyrrha most of the time and share like three moments or so when he appreciates or takes interest in her in any way shape or form, while for the rest of the time he chases another.

Who told you Jaune was mourning her death because it was a romantic relationship? Are you saying that Jaune can’t be sad over his close friend and mentor? Are you saying that it can’t just be friendship with him? because there is nothing to tell me that Jaune loved Pyrrha that way, only that Pyrrha loved him. Jaune never said or showed romantic love towards her at all and the show doesn’t treat it as a two way romantic relationship.

Right off the bat your first argument (Which, by the way, is fucking insulting to say that a man can’t be sad without it being an insult. As much as I bet you call out toxic masculinity, this is reinforcing the idea that men cannot express emotion) is built off of misinformation and fandom assumption. Right off the bat, you just showed you aren’t worth your weight in critique and analysis. And that’s your only option. You said this wasn’t hate so that implies you believe this to be rational and thus this is an analysis of why you factually are angry at Jaune. If not then it IS hate and you are lying in the beginning. Those are your only options.

Like really, one moment is where he says sorry on that roof, the other is during the dance tho idk if I should count it as this because the way he framed this ‘interest’ was inconsiderate but I’ll let it slide for a while

How? How is his interest in Pyrrha, his mentor and best friend, inconsiderate? how is trying to understand her inconsiderate? It’s not and that’s a crook of shit you are using to justify your irrational hate. You let it slide because it does not exist and if you tried that, the fanbase would call you out on your shit, as I am.

Then we have long long nothing and finally, first-in my opinion- genuine interest in what and how Pyrrha feels ep.8 of vol3 so 4 or so episodes before she dies, and in-universe timeline on the very day she dies. Like really, it took the dude to go and start noticing and showing interest in HOW HIS PARTNER feels this long?

yes, because some people are like this. Some people are dense to the feelings of otehrs. Some people cannot read the signs, especially since Pyrrha only let on ONCE about her true feelings (BTW, she wasn’t even being direct that time so it’s on her for not being direct with a dense guy), everything else would be expected of a partner. Funny how two seconds of thought clears this up

And don’t give me any ‘he had to do it earlier’ because apart from that dance scene we don’t get it on screen so as far as we know episode 8 is the first time, or at least first time since the dance. And yet, despite the fact he ignored her, and showed no consideration or no interest in her and her feelings he somehow gets to have most development?

What development are you talking about? If it’s in the relationship then you directly said above he WASN’T developed.If it’s as a friend then what do you call putting on a dress to make her feel better and trying to comfort her when she is obviously troubled? And if it’s character development: That has nothing to do with what is going on and spoiler: Weiss gets that title not Jaune. Nice try.

he gets her circlet? I understand the notion of ‘you don’t know what you have’ I really do, but with all of the above? It really doesn’t seem like enough to warrant such actions. Especially the circlet. How realising he lost a chance and was an idiot for not seeing what was in front of him, how does that entitle him to her possessions?

Seriously? This argument? You are seriously trying to argue over a fucking piece of jewelry that her parents probably own twenty of hers back at home with all the baby pictures and other belongings whereas he just gets one thing which he uses to honor her memory? I’m starting to think you hate the show in general for allowing Jaune to exist seeing as you are trying to tear down anything good in the show that involves him.

? How does make him more worthy than her parents/mother? He knew this girl for like…few months and for most of this time he couldn’t be bothered to get to know her, care about her feelings or appreciate her. And somehow just because he regrets he didn’t get to know her and make that effort, he is entitled to merge her circlet with her remains into his armour? Does regret over not building or contributing to a bond makes up for that bond or something? I wouldn’t take such an issue with it if he at least asked her mother or waited until they meet her family. It still would have been forced, but he wouldn’t come off as entitled, inconsiderate jerk

Maybe because he was her first real friend? Maybe because she could only make meaningful connections because Jaune helped her? because he helped her though her sadness? maybe because he was willing to help her defeat Cinder and only didn’t because he knew he was basically dead weight? Forgot all about this stuff huh? Convenient for your argument huh?

And never contributed to anything? What do you call putting on a dress to make her feel better? What do you call sitting by her side to comfort her? WHat do you call trying to give her advice? What do you call standing guard while she was about get Amber’s power? Just because you have a hate boner for the guy doesn’t mean you get to twist the facts.

And yes, you would have said this anyway. It’s a fucking lose lose situation. Either he doesn’t do it and he’s an inconsiderate jerk or he does and he’s a Mary Sue and either way, you say bullshit. I know this for a fact because even as your complaints stop applying to him, you twist the facts to MAKE them apply. You hate the guy but you want your hate to be accepted even as you lie and cheat. Well too fucking bad: World doesn’t work that way.

Like if he really, really, really, really, really, really HAS to have Pyrrha’s circlet then at least have her mother say she cannot keep it because it’s too painful and that Pyrrha would have wanted him to have it. Having that wouldn’t have made it good but at least it would be just annoying and tried instead of rage inducing.

Translation: “If the show wastes it’s limited time and budget to make this completely unnecessary scene for me and ten other people which can happen in a latter scene, I’ll say I won’t do this but will because I have shown that I will lie before and why wouldn’t I do it here?”

That’s what all that tells me form your language and actions here. And I call you out on it.

And another thing that bothers me about this whole thing is that Pyrrha’s death in vol3 was empowering, she fought well and valiant, she did her best and pulled all the stops, she did it for her friends and whole the world. She died on her own rules, never yeilding to the dark side. It was heroic and tragic and most of all POWERFUL it was sad but somewhat positive and inspiring message. It had some meaning. It wasn’t death for shock value. But volume 4 never mentions that

Um, you don’t have to directly mention it. The empowering part is shown by Cinder being humiliated and shunned, thus causing what she wanted to turn on her as if by fate. The heroic and inspirational part comes from her influence over Jaune and Ruby and how her death has changed them both drastically, driving them both to improve and keep going. It’s called subtlty.

No, when it’s mentioned it is to show how sad JAUNE IS, to show how UPSET AND ANGRY he is. Like with those recordings, where she tells him he’s great and wonderful an whatnot and he slices the air with his sword in anger. We have it refferenced after Shinon’s fall when again it is to bring out and hilight Jaune’s pain because Shinon.

Fucking liar. The recording was for RUBY’S development you ass. Jaune has mourned Pyrrha onscreen by himself for 8 seconds I counted. When teh focus of the sadness isn’t on Ruby, I counted. It happened once for eight seconds you liar. The scene was meant to convey how close they are and how sad Ruby is over all the sadness around her, Jaune was NEVER the focus you ass. This is so fucking obvious that anyone who thinks critically on it will see it so you have NO excuse.

Jaune says “I am tried of losing everything” everything that is mainly Pyrrha

And Beacon. And his old life. And his chance to be a true huntsman. And his chance to do for Pyrrha what she did for him.

Then we have it mentioned when Qrow talks to them, and again Pyrrha’s death is not there to show example of heroism and taking things into your own hands and choosing how you die. No, once again her death is there for Jaune to get angry and upset

No it was tos how that Qrow and Ozpin weren’t the great heroes they act like, that they did shit wrong too. Jaune wasn’t angry that Pyrrha was dead, he was angry because they caused her to die. he was angry because they caused it. Is he right? No but the narrative doesn’t treat him that way seeing as Jaune is framed like he’s right but overreacting and being overly hostile. The only one making Pyrrha’s death all about Jaune is you: You are the one at fault here, not Jaune or the writers.

And heck he even manged to rid Pyrrha of her own free will and of the whole by-her-own-rules thing, because he access Qrow of FORCING HER INTO IT

Pyrrha was told she was the only one who could stop a plot against the world. For a selfless person, that is the equivalent to putting a gun to their head. Qrow even acts like it was a bad thing you idiot. The story and tone literally contradict what you are saying: your own basis defeats your argument.

It also shows a lot about how Jaune views Pyrrha. He doesn’t see a strong young woman who is brave and self-sacrifcing and makes her own decisions. He sees her as this…idk object? that doesn’t have it’s own free will and is just moved around by others

Exactly. She was self sacrificing. It is in her nature. SO what otehr choice woulod Pyrrha see in that situation besides helping the greater good? That is literally tantimount to taking advantage of someone. Do you think it’s impossibe to do that? If you do then you’re obviously too immature to talk about such things.

And yet you blame Jaune and says that he sees her as an object? The one guy who DIDN’T see her as a glorified object but as a person? Considering you push Pyrrha around and twist a lot of shit about her for your own needs, you treat her as an object more than Jaune: A tool to be used to attack and harm a fictional character than an entity of her own.

Ok, maybe I’m taking it too far but this is how it at times looks to me. And this is saddening to me, it is saddening that I see, or at least it seems so that Pyrrha’s death is being reduced to manpain

No, it’s god damn enraging that you see it that way because NOTHING about the show even remotely suggests that unless you look at things through three kalediscopes taped together. It’s enraging that you take this as fact when all forms of logic say otherwise, when facts say otherwise. Because it shows how little you actually care about the character and show unless it’s exactly as you envision it and want it to be. It enrages the fuck out of me.

And this brings me back to her relationship with Jaune and generally relationships girls have with Jaune because it kind of follows similar patterns. When she was alive Pyrrha was kind of like Superhero’s Grifriend. Sure she needn’t saving all the time but she was there to be his pillar of strength, to tell him he’s doing good ect. and now after her death volume 4 is doing the same things.

Or maybe it’s the revolutionary idea that she’s his mentor and she’s trying to teach him to have self confidence because those kinds of thoughts are not only unhealthy and damaging mentally but unsafe LITERALLY with the Grimm around. Did that never occur to? because it occurred to 90% of the fandom.

Then we have Weiss, whose relation to Jaune was to give him angst over rejection and unrequited love. @sssn-neptune-vasilias pointed out, so very, very well that she was ‘another thing that Jaune wanted’ instead of a person

Ah yes the terrorist who thinks people should be harassed and bullied unless they think like him and act like him. Such a creditable source.

Not like the show which went to great lengths to show that Jaune wanted to date for WHO she is, not WHAT she is.( https://youtu.be/nur1pCHD4hU?t=9m6s / https://youtu.be/i7wkw3yEbvQ?t=3m32s ) Once again, the show outright contradicts you so what crediblity do you have. What reason should we not mark you as a hater and treat you as such, despite your protests.

and now it seems that even Ruby, the protagonist of the show, is being reduced to a prop for Jaune Arc’s plot line. She slowly becomes another Comforter like Pyrrha was, another girl who is there to be his pillar of strength while he has angst while she isn’t allowed to have her own feelings and emotional trauma. She doesn’t get to mourn Pyrrha or ponder over her death Jaune with concern and sadness in her eyes because ‘oh, Poor Jaune’. When Shinon gets destroyed and Jaune has another angsty moment, Ruby who too should be distressed and who kinda is over the destruction and dead Huntsman, once again turns to comfort Jaune, and put her hand on his shoulder. Because his angst again is the most important thing we should focus on. Then we have the talk with Qrow and again Jaune’s feelings and Ruby doesn’t react much when the dude says ‘fat lot of help you are’(it’s not exaxct qoute but it’s basically what he says) because Jaune again has right to act this way Because He Found Out Truth About Pyrrha, so obviously we shouldn’t be too harsh.

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*COUNTDOWN TO NUCLEAR DETONATION*

SHUT UP! That is a blatant lie! Jaune only angst onscreen when it’s usable for RUBY. his line about losing people vocalizes RUBY’s sorrow, his sadness in the forest is used a way to make RUBY’S angst relatable, his srrow all builds to Episode 10 where he LITERALLY pushes his sadness aside and says that Ruby inspired him and his team, that she is the only reason any of them have gotten this far both emotionally and physically! He literally spots angsting to make RUBY look good!

Jaune is needed for Ruby because Ruby avoids bad things and denies the darkness of the world whereas Jaune accepts it and struggles to properly process and grieve for it. Just like how Ruby would defend her uncle and take everything he says as right even as it isn’t, so Jaune has to call him out. Just like Ruby would insist on keep going and pushing it out of her mind,Jaune processes it. Just as Ruby bottles up her feelings until they overwhlem her, Jaune talks about it gets her through it. JAUNE is teh supporter now, JAUNE is the comforter. And yet you refuse to accept that.

That just proves you hate Jaune: that you are so blinded by your hate for him that you literally take things as the exact opposite of what they are. You are a joke and a cheap, pathetic one at that, one i laugh at with a sense of pointed disdain and without an ounce of respect or given dignity.

And then we have parting with Nora and Ren line. Again, despite the fact her uncle is seriously hurt Ruby’s priority as a character is to comfort worried Jaune. Again she is not allowed to have her own emotions and her worries, because Jaune’s are more important and as the only girl left she has to attend to them.

Okay, enough of this sexist bullshit: What about Weiss, who outright rejected him out a care for his feelings? What about Nora, who demans him? What about Yang and Blake who never interact with him? What about Glynda, who never sugercoated anything with him? I am at my paitence’s end with you, do not push me.

And Jaune, just like on that roof with Pyrrha and on that balcony, instead of being thankful or considerate tells her that ‘we don’t know that’, which makes it even more annoying because he again comes off as completely ungrateful; and someone who treats this kindness as either something due to him that he doesn’t have to appreciate.

Because Ruby is being childish and naive for thinking that way! That is who Ruby is! Did you get total ammesia about Ruby’s character throughout this whole thing? Because that is the only excuse.

And it annoys me. I DO NOT HATE JAUNE ARC. I really don’t. He is a good character, but THE WAY THEY WRITE HIM and the way THEY FOCUS ON HIM, the way HIS EMOTIONS ARE MOST IMPORTANT AND OVERRULE EVERYTHING ELSE is what makes me angry. Fine, give some development to the side-character, have them have emotions but please focus on other characters too ESPECIALLY MAIN CHARACTER.

And it pisses me off that you are so centered on hating Jaune and making up excuses to hate him, to justify your hate, that it demeans everyone else in the show to revolving around when that isn’t the case at all! You ignore character’s personality, development, context, actions, feelings and blatant FACTS to hate on him.

You say you are not a hater of Jaune but everything about this screams hater, an irrational one who will justify their hate no matter how much they must twist the show and characters because they have an irrational hatred of one character. Shut up and never talk about Jaune ever again: we have enough comedy in Rooster Teeth, we don’t need pathetic laughter too.

#rwde bullshit #rwby #jaune arc

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