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thesmurfchick · 30 days

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Comparing the Adventure Kids with the Survive Kids (Part 2)

Aoi and Sora (Team Mom)

Love as a double-edged sword

Despite what I wrote up there, I don’t actually headcanon Aoi with the Crest of Love. I don’t think she does what she does in the game out of love exactly, but out of a sense of duty, a need to validate herself, and possibly even to satisfy a subconscious need for control.

I think the detriments of Sora’s love (and her uncertainty over it) are pretty clear. She’s unsure that her mother loves her, which probably doesn’t help her feelings of stability both at home and in the group. During one of her lowest moments (when the group is split up), she neglects herself by isolating herself from everyone and focuses only on helping the others.

By contrast, Aoi’s love hurts her in a different way. Rather than neglecting herself in order to help the others, she gets wrapped up in herself and her perceived failures, making her unable to help anyone until she gets out of it.

Aoi is surprisingly self-centered, and I don’t necessarily mean this in a bad way (though it could very well turn very selfish and narcissistic if left unchecked). Even when people die, or lose their sanity, Aoi blames herself and sees it as a personal failure. She could’ve done something, but she didn’t, so everything is her fault.

I don’t necessarily think this is selfishness in and of itself. I think it mainly has to do with her strong sense of duty, as well as a general uncertainty of who she is and how she fits with the group. When she’s so ashamed of herself and unsure of her worth all the time, her thoughts will naturally turn inward any time something happens. Everyone else is amazing and always doing their best, so of course if something bad happens, it “must” be because of her.

And then, of course, at its worst, we get Aoi in Wrathful, who claims she’s doing everything for the sake of others, but in reality she’s entirely wrapped up in herself. Despite her anxiety and general insecurity, I feel like Aoi has very strong values and ideals that, when pushed, she will not let go, no matter who it hurts. By contrast, I don’t think Sora is as mentally strong in that sense.

Anyway, enough with the analysis and onto the comparisons:

Both care for the group in a motherly way

Yamato is usually the one people cite as being aware of the group’s wellbeing and emotional state

But Sora was the one who actually did something about it (other than arguing with Taichi), which is why she has the Crest of Love/Affection

She comforted everyone, made sure everyone was safe and together, and tried her best to take care of everyone’s basic and emotional needs when they were down

Aoi is even more obvious about her motherly side -- she cooks for everyone, is the healer (both in and out of battle), and even scolds people the same way a mother would unruly children

Multiple characters in the game even outright call her a mom, though none of the Adventure kids ever said it upfront about Sora

They’re both very obviously the Team Mom, and it’s indisputable the same way no one’s going to argue about Takuma and Taichi being The Leader

Despite that, I actually think they have more differences than similarities

Both have very poor awareness of themselves/doubt their place in the group

Unlike Aoi, who's very clear about her status as the “mom friend” (esp. with the way her friends all call her that), Sora is unaware of her role as the emotional caretaker and thinks very little of herself in that regard

The very first clue towards this is her initial reaction to Piyomon, calling her “mushy” and doubting her ability to get along with her, despite Piyomon supporting and encouraging her in a similar way to how Sora takes care of everyone

The more egregious example is of course when Picodevimon manipulates Sora into believing she’s not capable of love, with Sora somehow coming to the conclusion that she doesn’t actually care about the group, despite her actions proving to the contrary

It’s not until Takeru spells out her worth and what her presence means to him and the group that she finally gets an outside glimpse of who she is

Aoi similarly is unaware of her own strengths, but unlike Sora, she also actively mulls over her flaws, thus digging herself deeper and deeper until she’s frozen with self-hatred, and her subsequent inaction causes her to doubt her usefulness and her place in the group

Although Sora’s self-doubt is very harmful, Aoi’s can also come off as very dangerous (both to herself and others), as that level of self-hatred will (and has, in the Wrathful route) cause her to do some very extreme things in order to stop feeling that way about herself and prove her worth

Sora took over the role of caring for everyone naturally vs. Aoi initially took care of everyone out of obligation

I don’t think there was ever a point where Sora decided she needed to step up and care for everyone; she just acted that way from the start (particularly with Takeru and Mimi, who were the youngest members of the group and often needed comfort)

It comes out so naturally for her, in fact, that it comes off as almost compulsive

She helps out the group even when she herself believes she’s not worthy of staying with them anymore,

In contrast, Aoi resents her responsibilities and the expectations people place on her

A lot of her responsibilities come as a result of duty and her status as one of the older students, with cooking for everyone being something the kids just expect her to take care of on her own (though this might also be a cultural thing; Aoi also suggested it herself, but that could just be because it’s expected of her)

It’s not until Takuma describes her as “like a mom,” thus humanizing her, that she starts to take up her role with a bit more gusto, being more excited to cook and do her part while everyone else helps in their own way

Additionally, while Sora doesn’t really expect anything in return for taking care of everyone, Aoi seems to act with the clear intention of keeping order and doing her part, and she’s easily upset when people don’t follow the same mentality

Sora’s insecurity manifested in her thinking too little of herself vs. Aoi’s insecurity causes her to focus negatively on herself

Sora’s insecurity is a bit more subtle compared to Aoi, who’s pretty much a walking ball of anxiety throughout the whole game

Sora looks like she has it together on the surface, and often takes charge when she needs to, but she harbors a lot of fear and uncertainty inside, which fully comes to the forefront when she falls in the dark pit

On top of that, there was the issue when she wasn’t sure if her mother actually loved her, and if she was someone who was capable of love, which Picodevimon exploited

Sora’s insecurity in general seems to come from a “take care of everyone so I don’t have to think about myself” mentality

Aoi, on the other hand, thinks too much about herself

She’s debilitated from helping everyone like she wants to because she’s so wrapped up in her own failures and shortcomings

This contrast can be seen even better during their lowest points:

When Sora falls in the dark pit, she becomes paralyzed by her fears and obligations and gives up until Jou and Yamato talk her out of it

But Aoi in Wrathful takes on even more obligations, including the impossible task of “being perfect” and “never failing again”

It’s interesting to see they’re both scared of essentially the same thing (failure of not living up to the task), but Sora responds by being paralyzed by it, while Aoi in Wrathful responds by foregoing all her anxieties entirely in order to act

Sora ran away and moved in the shadows after Taichi disappeared vs. Aoi acted as leader while Takuma was gone

Related to the above, it’s interesting to see how the “girl who looks like she has it together” is the one who runs away and is the last to be convinced to rejoin the group, while the “girl who’s been anxious since the beginning” stepped up to be the leader after their original leader disappeared

Not only that, but the Survive group was under much more dire circumstances -- unlike Taichi, who’s whereabouts were mostly unknown, Takuma was believed to be dead

The kemonogami world was also much more dangerous than the digital world at that point in time -- the Adventure kids had just finished defeating Devimon and Etemon, and there were no threats (that they knew of) plaguing them

All things considered, the need for the Survive kids to stay together and have a leader was crucial, but it’s interesting to see that Aoi was the one who stepped up, while Sora fell apart after the group separated

However, the two scenarios are hard to compare because of how different they are

Would Aoi have fallen apart if the group had separated and left her entirely alone, open to manipulation by someone like Picodevimon? Could Sora have been a good leader if circumstances had pushed her to step up and take care of everyone?

I think the answers to both of these would’ve been yes, but I also think they would’ve turned out very differently

Like I said earlier, I think Sora lacks the sort of mental strength Aoi has (whether you call it integrity, self-righteousness, or just pure stubbornness) that would make her see leadership as a burden

And if Aoi had had her deepest fears manipulated, I think she would’ve reacted by becoming more selfish and resentful than continuing to help out everyone from the shadows (though this would all depend on how she was manipulated and what exactly the manipulator was preying on)

But these are just my thoughts!

As always, feel free to add in your own thoughts/insights and let me know if you disagree with any of these, or if I got some of the facts wrong (I haven’t watched Adventure in a while).

Minoru and Koushiro will be next!

#digimon survive #digimon adventure #aoi shibuya #sora takenouchi

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itsallavengers · 5 years

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Never meet your heroes

Alright. They’d gotten through the first introduction, he’d managed to make it through the lobby and up the elevator without incident, so Steve was going to say that it had gone well so far.

Now, he thought, came the tricky bit. And that was actually introducing their new colleague to the team.

He took a deep breath, hoping that no one was naked as the doors slid open.

“Okay. So seeing as you’re going to be operating as new SHIELD liaison, you’re probably gonna be seeing a lot of the inside of the tower,” Steve stepped out of the elevator with the new woman SHIELD had sent beside him, silently thankful there was no immediate chaos to be seen, and as they returned their gazes to one another Steve held up three fingers. “This means you’re gonna have to follow three important rules, for the sake of your sanity and ours.”

Her brow creased, and it wasn’t for the first time that day that Steve wondered whether Fury was making the correct decision with this woman. She seemed... easily disapproving. And serious. Steve got that, he did, especially on your first day when you were wanting to establish boundaries, but still-- he hoped that there was a bit more steel to her.

She pursed her mouth. “Captain Rogers, with all due respect, this is going to be a partnership, not a leadership.”

“I understand that, Ma’am,” he made sure to keep his voice polite as he walked her into the kitchen, “if it’d make you feel better, you can consider them more like guidelines. But I swear, they’re in your best interest.”

“Oh, are we giving grumpy-pants the house rules?” Steve ground his teeth as he turned to Clint, who’d become visible on the kitchen counter once they turned the corner. He grinned with a mouthful of cheerios. “Is this her face before or after rule one? Because it doesn’t spell good things if it’s--”

“Please ignore the homeless man who’s taken residence in our tower,” Steve said loudly, talking over Clint and blocking him from sight with his sizeable body, “he just showed up one day and refused to leave.”

“SHIELD liaison woman, don’t you think that’s workplace harassment?” Clint leaned sideways and looked at her with a deep frown, and Steve felt a Cheerio bounce off the back of his head. He made a mental note to buy nothing other than sugar-free granola from now on.

Mary Collins, said SHIELD liaison woman in question with 14 years’ worth of experience under her belt that she seemed determined to put to good use here, simply raised her eyebrow at Steve. “I think it’s warranted,” she informed him evenly, and then let herself sigh as she raised her hands. “Alright then. Give me the rules, Captain.”

Okay, that seemed like a joke of sorts. Steve could work with that. At least she wasn’t a complete buzzkill. “Alright, rule number one. No shop-talk at breakfast or dinner. We take food very seriously, and Thor starts breaking things if he gets interrupted too many times. For Tony’s bank’s sake, it’s best if you could just schedule your meetings around that.” Bruce walked through the kitchen at that point, looking like he was leaving somewhere, but he stopped to shake Mary’s hand before he left, giving her a smile and a short ‘good luck’. Steve marched ahead.

“Rule number two-- sometimes we have fights. And sometimes they get physical. I know that this might be considered unhealthy on any other working unit or team, but please consider the fact that we are all incredibly dysfunctional and emotionally maladapted.” When Mary’s eyebrows lifted again, Steve held out his hands and resisted the urge to sigh. This was the fifth Liaison they’d gotten through in the last year. Most of them barely even lasted a month before they ran. “It never results in long-lasting injury, and we tend to leave Tony out of it, but there may be occasional scraps that break out while you’re in our company. Just let us work it out of our systems and don’t get involved.”

“That’s...” Mary seemed a little lost for words. “Have you considered therapy? One-on-one and group, perhaps?”

For the sake of avoiding a long and rather awkward conversation, Steve tactfully chose to ignore the question. “Rule three- possibly the most important one- is to never, ever enter Tony or Bucky’s room without giving warning. Ever. And also, just...” oh God, this was a conversation that one of those two men should be having with their new colleague, not him-- he really hated being team leader sometimes. “Get used to PDA,” he muttered eventually, “lots of it. I’d just avoid them when they’re together, honestly. And don’t get threatening with one of them when the other is present. Oh, and although the team is allowed to tease them, you’re very much not.” He turned to her, suddenly serious, because he wanted her to know this, more than any of the other rules. “I mean it. They’re happy. SHIELD don’t have any business commenting on that. We’re their friends, so we’re okay. Until you reach that status, you will politely refrain from passing comment.”

By this point, poor Mary Collins seemed utterly bewildered. Which was fair enough; outside of the tower, no one knew that Bucky Barnes and Tony Stark were an item. Bucky was still adjusting to everything, most of all himself, and so for now they were keeping it quiet. The liaison would have to know due to the simple fact that she would be spending time in their safe space at the tower, but Pepper had already drawn up enough contracts and NDAs to drown the woman as soon as she left for SHIELD again.

Steve had to hand it Mary though. She held her ground, even as Captain America glared at her. “I take it this means Barnes and Stark are a couple,” she said eventually, having processed all the information, “which I doubt will affect my job much. I, uh, will take note of the room thing, though.” She gave the smallest of flinches. “I’ve had enough trauma from sharing a dorm with my sister.”

That was a story Steve would definitely be extracting from her when she inevitably joined in on one of their team drinking sessions, and he stored the nugget away for later use. At that point, they’d entered the communal living room, where Nat was sprawled on the couch flicking through the TV, Thor was sat idly scrolling through his twitter feed, and Bucky & Tony were both sat snuggled into the loveseat in the corner of the room. Naturally, Mary’s eyes went straight for them; they’d only just finished talking about the two of them, after all.

And of course, they were being all romantic. What else was new? Tony was curled up in Bucky’s lap, the two of them talking quietly as Tony scraped his fingers through Bucky’s long hair and twisted it up at the back, tying it out of the way for him. They were almost nose to nose, lips moving in conversation that Steve couldn’t pick up on, and a moment later they watched from afar as Bucky started stroking his metal hand teasingly over Tony’s thigh, sneaking under the fabric of his dressing gown. Steve did not doubt that that was the only item of clothing that Tony was currently sporting.

He coughed loudly. “This is Mary,” he declared, and Bucky paused the feeling-up of his boyfriend in order to twist his head over to Steve, “she is our new SHIELD liaison. She does not need to see Tony’s junk during our first meeting, Buck.”

Tony pouted, as if the request was unreasonable, and it was only when Steve gave him a sharp glare that he moved; giving Bucky one last peck on the mouth before sliding off the man’s lap. He managed to save his modesty with a well-placed hand, and Steve could only silently apologise to this SHIELD agent. She had her work cut out from here on in. “I suppose I can save my junk for one man,” he agreed, turning back to Bucky for a second as he wandered over. Steve watched Bucky smile at him from the love-seat, such a soft thing.

Even when they were insufferably touchy-feely with one another, it was hard for Steve to get annoyed by it. They just made each other too damn happy, and Steve was too damn pleased for them. They deserved it, he supposed.

“Miss Collins,” Tony extended a hand and beamed at her, lax and loose and not fake at all. Steve eyed the marks on Tony’s neck, and figured there was probably a very obvious reason as to Tony’s uncharacteristically positive early-morning attitude. “What a pleasure to meet you.”

There was a dubious look given to Tony’s hand, and Steve couldn’t blame her. They had just seen Bucky a second away from giving Tony a handie, so God knows where Tony’s own had been. But it seemed she braved the contact anyway, because she took it firmly and inclined her head. “I’ve already been given the house rules,” she said with the smallest of smiles, and Tony chuckled, clasping his spare hand over hers.

“And you will also be given a very lengthy and watertight NDA that prohibits you from saying a word about mine and Mr Barnes’ relationship,” he added on, voice cheerful as he continued to shake her hand, “were you to break any of the clauses within or make my boyfriend’s face sad in any way, I will sue you for everything you own. Just so we’re clear.”

“Tony!” Steve glared at him, but Tony just smiled back, carefree-- although Steve knew him too well not to miss the smallest hint of steel in his eyes, and also be very acutely aware that Tony meant every word. He was fiercely protective of Bucky and his mental wellbeing. It had been what had driven off the last three SHIELD agents who’d rocked up to try and take Mary’s position. And Bucky had been responsible for the other two, for largely the same reason (although Clint accidentally pushing him off the roof of the tower might have been a contributing factor in one of them, Steve wasn’t too sure).

Mary eyed Tony for a second, before stepping away. “I see what you mean about avoiding the two of them” She told Steve drily, and Steve couldn’t help but grin as he gave Tony a light shove and sent him back over to Bucky, who was waiting on the loveseat. “Message received though. If I were less professional than I am, I might have been shitting my pants out of fear right about now.” Her mouth pursed again and she adjusted her glasses on her face. “Luckily, I’m a little too caught up on the fact that the God of Thunder apparently runs a stan twitter for Ariana Grande to care about being threatened by Iron Man.”

Steve followed her gaze to where she was looking over the couch. Thor appeared to be in the process of making a tweet about the injustice of ‘his queen’s’ new song not making #1 spot on Itunes. It was followed by a gif of kermit appearing to commit suicide. “He also has one for politics,” Steve attempted weakly, “I... it’s Asgardian politics, mind you, but quite informative nonetheless.”

She nodded, eyes somewhat glassy for a moment. Steve understood. You walked in the door of the Avengers Tower expecting... uh... something other than what you got, most of the time. If you caught them while they were mid-training session, you’d definitely be impressed! But- ah- any other occasion, and this was what you were more likely to get.

Iron Man and the Winter Solider canoodling on some piece of furniture, Hawkeye eating food without cutlery, Thor starting arguments with twitter stans, and Black Widow refusing to change out of her pyjamas until after midday.

Steve had accepted the fact he would never have any respect to his name ever again. Actually, he’d accepted that back in 2013 when Tony had drunkenly convinced Steve to buy several golden retrievers and then pose with them on social media. Without clothes on. The dogs had artistically covered his private parts, sure, but his image had never quite been the same.

“I’m just going to apologise in advance,” Steve told her resignedly, “you’re going to be seeing some shit. You may leave here with more trauma than you started with.”

He watched Mary adjust her bag and cock her head at him. “It takes quite a lot to shake me,” she informed him, but Steve just held out his hands to the room.

“We’re very shaky people.”

“Oh, believe me, you haven’t met my sister.” Mary’s eyes rolled and then focused on something behind Steve’s shoulder. He turned just in time to watch Bucky drape himself over Steve’s left side, fingers pinching his cheek playfully.

“Is he telling you how delinquent we all are?” Bucky asked, “is he making it out like he’s the only sensible one here?”

“Of course he is.” Oh, and now apparently Tony had joined at Steve’s other side, “although I’m betting he’s choosing not to mention that time with the Trans-Tower Long Jump Dare and the skinny-dipping incident in Central P--”

“ALRIGHT!” Steve held up his hands and clamped both of them around each friend’s mouth rapidly, feeling his cheeks flush. Mary was staring at him blankly, but Steve did not doubt that she knew where that sentence had been headed. “Alright, I think that’s enough for the introductions. Bucky, kiss Tony so that neither of you speak again.”

“Happily,” Bucky grinned and then ducked around Steve’s side, his hand curling around Tony’s waist easily. They both giggled, Tony pausing to add a final hurried “the skinny dipping was what broke the last SHIELD liaison, so good luck to you” before Bucky stuck his tongue in Tony’s mouth and silenced him. They wandered off somewhere, probably for more enthusiastic sex or whatever-- Steve had learned not to ask. Mary was just nodding to herself, over and over and over again. She seemed to be in mild shock. Steve didn’t know what to think about the fact that it was the stories of Steve’s own... less than stellar behaviour that appeared to have been a sticking point for her. Thor ran an Ariana Grande fan account, for fuck’s sake, but it was Steve doing some harmless dares that shocked her?

“I think I might have jumped into this job a little too quickly,” she stated in the end, looking at Steve and then looking down at Steve’s crotch. “I may need some time to think this over.”

“That’s fine. You’ve lasted longer than the second guy. He walked in, saw Thor and Bruce fighting naked, and then walked out again.”

A long, heavy silence followed. Then a loud splutter. “Wh... why are you always naked when these incidents occur?”

Steve just looked at her. Again, he was sure he’d used to own more self-respect than this. “If I knew, I would tell you.”

Mary didn’t speak for a while. Steve sighed. Mary copied. “I can see Mr Stark grabbing the Winter Soldier’s ass out of the corner of my eye,” she commented dazedly.

“Yeah, they do that a lot.”

“Right.” Mary blinked. “I’m going to go home and have a drink.”

“That’s understandable.”

“A big drink.”

“Again, I get it.”

A long pause. A small cough. Then, “I suppose... I’ll be in touch.”

Oh. Okay, well-- that was better than Steve had been expecting. He’d thought she might just hightail it straight out of there. With a nod, he led her back over to the elevator they’d arrived in, once more spotting Clint, still eating from the cereal box. It truly was a miracle he was as ripped as he was. That shouldn’t be possible considering the vast amounts of sugar that constantly ran through the man’s blood. “Be quiet and eat your breakfast,” he declared sharply, before the man had even opened his mouth. They did not need to regale Miss Collins with any more stories this morning.

Clint threw another Cheerio at him, but Steve saw that one, and he plucked it out of the air and popped it into his mouth without looking. Mary was still staring. “This house is a fucking nightmare.”

“I...” Steve tried to think of a way to defend his team. “Yeah,” he admitted, when nothing sprang to mind. He pressed the button for the lobby and then stepped out, giving her his best smile. He noticed her hands were clutching very tightly to her bag, which held nothing other than the file on SHIELD regulations and protocols that she had been supposed to get the team together and go through before leaving.

Steve figured they weren’t quite ready for that yet, though. Her rules could not help her here.

“Have a safe journey!” He called out to her as the doors slid shut, waving cheerily. She didn’t respond, but her hand tightened around the bag, and as soon as she was gone from sight Steve took the time to groan. Loudly. “I hate all of you!”

“You just hate the fact you haven’t got any sense of shame any more, Captain,” Clint informed him, pointing the cereal box in his direction as Steve walked through. He sulkily snatched a handful of Cheerios from the box and shoved them into his mouth, choosing to ignore Clint’s words. He was headed for the living room, but at that moment Nat and Thor traipsed out of it, looking equally as sulky as they too went for the Cheerios and grabbed handfuls.

“Don’t go in there,” Nat said mutinously, “they’ve started canoodling again.”

“Loudly,” Thor added.

Steve looked between them all, and then leaned back against the fridge. They fought monsters on a biweekly basis. They’d been through hell together- survived torture, mind control, death and everything in between. They were Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, in every sense of the word, and there was nothing that they would not do for each other.

“If they get bodily fluids on the couch, I’m throwing them both off the tower without hesitation,” Steve ground out, folding his arms over his chest.

“Larry Erikson-style!” Clint whooped, and Nat smacked him over the head instantly.

“You said that was an accident.”

“It was! Mostly. I mean-- it wasn’t my fault that he was trying to get me to sign documents while I was in the middle of playing water-tennis with Thor. I won’t do it to Mary though, she seems nice.”

Steve listened to the three of them being to argue over the merits of throwing a liaison off the tower once they got annoying, and he didn’t bother trying to tell them that was a bad idea. He just ducked down into the bottom cupboard and grabbed Thor’s Asgardian mead, pouring a generous serving into his cup of tea.

If Mary got to drink after being around the Avengers for five minutes, Steve figured he’d earned this, considering he’d been around them for five years at this point. He was fairly sure he’d lost a good 80% of his sanity in that time.

Ah, well, he thought as he watched Thor clap him on the back and tell him that his butt looked terrific in the new sweatpants he was wearing-- you win some, you lose some. And he thought he might have won more than he’d lost.

Just about.

Kofi

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inessencedevided · 4 years

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The Untamed, episode 24 - watching notes

Happy Wangxian-bunny-fest everyone! 🐇💐🐇 Because that's what I have to think about every time I see an Easter bunny these days. :D

We're picking up where we left off, with Shijie's and Jin Zixuan's future being decided for them

And everyone looking distinctly uncomfortable

WWX said fork the patriarchy and I respect that!

He also probably just violated about a hundred rules of conduct 😂😂😂

God, I adore him just not giving a flying fork anymore

(Yes I'm cursing good place style now, because tumblr 🙄)

Ooooh, I hadn't realised that lwj had stood up for this whole exchange for no reason whatsoever. Now that's telling :D

I love the fact that Jiang Yanli is good and modest and dutiful, but she has her own opinion and here, she acts on it, even though it's in defiance of what most of the cultivation world wants.

I love how the short haired minor clan leader whose name I have forgotten just acts as a commentator the whole time :D

What is a "Baifeng Mountain crowd hunt"?

Okay, the background "whisper" explained it to me. Thanks random cultivator extra #34

Whaaaat is JGY planning? 🧐

Honest question: can someone explain the hat to me? Is it a Jin tradition? Or is it somehow indicative of jgy's new status?

I just had a though about jgy and wwx that I'm not quite sure is entirely formed yet, but I have to share anyway. I feel like their journeys might be a parallel of each other, but in opposite directions ... if that makes sense? Like both were born outside of the clan world. Wwx got accepted into it through the kindness of someone who loved his mother. Jgy got rejected through the cruelty of his own father who very much did not love his mother. Wwx grew up a respected cultivator, jgy was an outsider and always looked down upon as the sun of a prostitute. Then they witness the war against the Wen clan. Wwx sacrifices everything to save the ones who took him in. Jgy betrays and almost kills the ones who took him in. Wwx comes back more bitter about the cultivation world than he has ever been and seems to only care about his own moral judgement and the wellbeing if those closes lt to him anymore. The last thing he seems concerned about his status. Then there is jgy, who at this point has murdered, lied.and killed innocent civilians,but also aided those who were kind to him (i.e. lan Xichen), and st least partially this is how he climbed the socisl ladder on the cultivation world. In other words, these two are both outcasts at some points in their lives, but their reaction seems to be almost opposite each other. For wwx it seems to be to fight the system, for jgy to adapt and survive and use the corrupt system to his advantage.

Moving on ...

Oh no ...

I feel like jgy actively acting again wwx kind of fits my rant about them from earlier

Oh he is good! He just planted the idea that wwx has the last shard of the Yin iron in Jin guangshao's head and then acted as if he was speaking reason. And the idiot completely fell for it because it flatters his ego.

Who is that spy going to be I wonder?

Oh no, lotus pier looks different 😥

Cloud Recess!!!!! I've missed you :')

Lan Xichen's long suffering sighs are a mood :D

Oh I see where this is going. First Jin Guangshan now Lan Quiren. The old guard seems to be extremely displeased with what wwx is doing.

Also, it must be very strange to all involved that suddenly, lwj is the one having yo be reminded of the rules

Character development, man!

"Do you know why I wouldn't let you leave with Xichen?" *dramatic zoom from the side* dramatic zoom from the front* ... *drumroll* ... "Leave now" 😑

IT'S BECAUSE HE DISAPPROVES OF YOUR BOYFRIEND! THAT'S WHY!

I feel so proud of Jiang Cheng right now :')

I'm so here for Lan Wangji's crisis of faith right now! Character development!!!

Jiang "tough love" Cheng

I kind of understand his frustration. From his perspective, it seems as if wwx is abandoning them

Lan Xichen's fond amusement with wwx will never not be endearing

Also, wwx is caring for the Jiang guests after all :D

Um ... does wwx have an alcohol problem at this point? 😕

That can't be healthy

I love the moral argument Lan Xichen makes here and it shows how one set of moral beliefs can come from entirely different places. His uncle seems to believe in rules for the rules sake, whereas lan Xichen cites a more humanistic argument: rules exist because we exist in a society and for society to function for all, especially the weakest, there most be rules to reign in behaviour that would be harmful to others. That's why breaking those rules harms not only one person, but society as a whole. My question for him then would be: But what of those rules themselves are harmful?

I stopped the stream to type this. Let's see what wwx has to say :D

Okay, lan Xichen isn't finished yet

Honestly, I think in terms of his combination of character traits, lan Xichen is the most genuinely good person among our characters. He is both well-meaning in his goals and measured in his means. He treats everyone fairly and although he loves his live by the Lan sect rules, he is not unkind in applying them to others. The fact that he can see wwx's good heart, even though they are such fundamentally different people, speaks volumes.

I'm genuinely wondering why wwx doesn't tell anyone why he can't do traditional cultivation anymore. (I'm still pretty convinced he gave Jiang cheng his golden core. I even went back to the scene where he showed Wen Qing the diagram and that was as good as a confirmation.) I get that he wouldn't tell Jiang Cheng and wouldn't want it to be known by most, for Jiang Cheng's sake alone, but why doesn't he at least tell one person who could vouch for him. I guess wen Qing knows by default, but she is part of the Wen clan and thus pretty low on the social ladder right now. He doesn't want Lan Wangji to know because he doesn't want to drag him down with him. I get that, too, even though it's bullshit. But Lan Xichen would be a good choice. A) because he is even-tempered and wouldn't act rashly and b) because I'm pretty sure that he would even aid wei Wuxian in shielding lan Wangji.

At the end of this rant, I kind of realised why Wei Wuxian doesn't tell anyone. It makes perfect sense, character-wise. He absolutely strikes me as someone who thinks he has to bear all his burdens alone. And now that he probably thinks of himself as doomed anyway, he might as well run with it. :/

Again, all the awards to his actor. He does an amazing job at giving wwx an aloof and cocky air that crumbles the moment nobody is looking. Way to breakmy heart ... 😔

I honestly believe Jiang Cheng is also worried about Wei Wuxian. He's just never learnt to separate worry from anger

Wei Wuxian is so far from okay :/

Btw, are the light colours that Jiang Cheng and especially Jiang Yanli sre wearing indicative of the fact that they are still in mourning?

I know I've said so before but the only one he is even remotely himself around is Shijie. Even as he tries to put on a good face, at least he lets himself cry, too. He acts almost childlike around her. She's more mother to him than sister, I think

Oh God, little Wei Ying on the streets 🥺🥺🥺

"You were born with a smiling face. Always smiling. You never mind too much about any sorrowful things. No matter how bad your situation is, you can always be happy." But he can't anymore, can he? He's just playing the part at this point, to varying degrees of success.

"Why do you still act like a kid?" See, Shijie thinks so, too

Oh god, the question why one would like someone so much! I'm so anxious to find out, when wwx has any inkling of his own feelings, because at least in the show, this seems to be a very good moment, tragically. Because the way he tries to shield lwj from harm? That's not the way you treat an old school acquaintance.

Very random observation, but wwx's sleeves are mismatched. One is studded in silver, the other one has a simple leathery pattern :D

Aww, the banter between wwx and jc makes me almost tear up at this point, even though they're acting like 6 year olds and I wonder how Shijie kept her sanity for all these years 😅

At the library pavilion at Gusu: "Please don't report this to Hanguang Jun." Lol :D

Is he purposefully going behind his uncle's back right now? 😱

"It seemed not so hard to go back to the old days." That is a very ominous sentence to end an episode on 😬

@sweetlittlevampire @fandom-glazed @elenirlachlagos @allhailthedramallama @luckymoony

#the untamed #sophie watches the untamed #the untamed episode 24 #lan wangji #wwx #lwj #wei wuxian #jiang siblings #jiang cheng #jiang yanli #yunmeng siblings #lan xichen

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okay, so i’m trying to process a lot of fucking information about the current lore at once and a lot is happening so bear with me while i try to sort out my thoughts

spoiler alert: i don’t hate it! no negativity to be found here; just analysis. also a trigger warning for mentions of medical stuff, injuries and a brief mention of animal death.

mur.doc has been sent to the infirmary due to a serious beating from big ba.lls mcgui.nness, the most feared inmate at worm.wood scr.ubs. he mentions that his jaw is wired shut, most of his fingers are broken, he cannot walk and one of his eyes has been badly damaged.

i actually predicted mur.doc suffering a serious eye injury some time ago and while i’m horrified and upset that this has happened to him, it made me feel really validated that my theory ended up coming true!

i actually really like how they’re writing mur.doc right now. he’s made some remarks and jokes that haven’t sat well with me, sure (re: the “death” of cor.tez that i’m refusing to believe is anything but a sick joke), but that’s to be expected. he’s mur.doc - he’s always been like that. it’s an integral part of his personality. but overall his attitude has changed for the better, and i think a lot of that has to do with the fact his escape plan is actually starting to work. it’s put him in much better spirits. while still pretty snarky and rude, muds shows genuine graciousness towards the parts of the gor.illaz fanbase who have reached out and helped him. his concern for the wellbeing of those fans is genuine as well; he knows el mie.rda is extremely dangerous and explicitly states that he doesn’t want anyone else getting hurt. that’s a huge step forward in terms of character growth. back in phases 1 - 3, mur.doc would’ve been much more willing to throw someone under the bus if that meant getting something out of them faster and more easily. here, he’s upfront and tells his fans that there is a risk factor involved with helping him. i understand that the writers probably threw that in there for exposition purposes as opposed to character development, but i can’t help but take note of it nonetheless. let me have this.

while i’m inclined to say they’re probably doing it for cheap laughs as opposed to actual representation, the writers have been allowing mur.doc to openly express attraction to other men far more often. his status as a mlm is not something he hides anymore; he’s pretty open about it, and that’s also a huge sign of character growth. i’m incredibly proud of him. unless the tv show / movie decides to do something really progressive, i think this is as close to mur.doc canonically coming out as we’re gonna get.

for those saying mur.doc has been sidelined in terms of the plot... i’m sorry, but he’s literally the one carrying the whole story right now. everything else, outside of mur.doc’s time in prison, has been pretty vague. he’s just as confused about what’s going on as the audience is, and we’re finding out new information with mur.doc in real time. i really like this style of storytelling.

on the topic of mur.doc acting as our major protagonist / the driving force of the narrative as he usually is (whether fans like to accept that or not), the team is really pushing him in terms of marketing right now - possibly more so than any other character with the exception of maybe stu. they really wanted to get people involved with the chat bot today and promoted the fuck out of it. it was really heartwarming to see, especially in light of all the negativity towards him from the fanbase and the official team themselves. even though the team has been treating him pretty badly up until this point and i still don’t totally trust them with him, they want people to like him. they’re actively trying people to engage with him. this is a really, really promising sign.

other promising signs include mur.doc stating that he fucking detests tr.ump if you ask him about that (it doesn’t totally make up for that hideous MAGA merch, but it’s a step in the right direction) and mur.doc actually replying to posts on tw.itter! he was very quick to chime in with fans insisting he’s not as bad of a person as he used to be, and while one can make a strong argument that he’s just doing it to make himself look good... that at least means the team was actually taking to time to go through fan responses. i’m not holding my breath or expecting much in terms of them listening to us about really sensitive topics (like getting mur.doc some professional fucking help for his mental health issues), but at least they’re getting to see that are still fans who really like him and want to see him become a better person!

as for the real meat and potatoes of the storyline... hear me out on this, but i’m starting to believe stu might have something to do with mur.doc not only being taken to prison, but some of the other really horrible shit that’s happening to him - like his eye trauma. look at this post. at first this looks like it could be a scary coincidence, but then you look at other shit like the lyrics of humility. i can’t take the credit for coming up with this theory (i found it here), but one of the lyrics for hum.ility is “i’m the lonely twin, the left hand”. if one does a quick google search, they’ll find this:

the full article can be found here. as mentioned in the original theory post, left-hand magic is often associated with satanism, which we know mur.doc is incredibly well-versed in and takes very seriously. what are the fucking chances that stu might’ve swiped some of mur.doc’s spell-books / satanic texts as a means of finally taking revenge on him for all the suffering mur.doc has caused him over the last 21 years? especially when you consider that da.mon, the songwriter, has opened up about being a pagan himself and would know what he’s talking about?

if you still think this sounds far-fetched, check out this illustration that can be found in stu’s journal. when you put that together with all the other evidence we have so far, along with the fact the sketch is meant to accompany the lyrics of a song called “sorc.ererz”... you can’t help but wonder how much credibility it has.

and if all this isn’t crazy enough? one of the warnings mur.doc gives you about el mier.da is that this demon is extremely manipulative and can “make your own mother turn against you.” could that explain why russ.el and noo.dle have been giving mur.doc the cold shoulder for five months straight? is this something that goes beyond just the the band just being fed up with mur.doc and wanting nothing more to do with him for the sake of their own sanity? it may just be a coincidence, but it seems like a very odd and specific detail to include.

and top it all off? mur.doc suspects that el mier.da may be a soul harvester. this is far from the first time that gor.illaz explored a “deal with the devil gone horribly wrong” storyline, and i’m wondering if that’s the route that they’re going with ph.ase 5, and if that’s connected to all the previous stuff i mentioned.

in summary: something extremely strange and unsettling is going on with the plot, and the groundwork for major upcoming events is clearly be laid out as we speak. da.mon already stated that the new album is just the chapter one of a much bigger story, and both he and jam.ie confirmed that a character-focused pha.se 6 is in the works. i’m a little nervous that things are going to go horribly wrong, but i’m at least invested in the story again and am willing - yet again - to give this all a chance. i just hope mur.doc comes out of it in one piece.

#( DO NOT REBLOG. )#⇩ ▬ sᴜɴsʜɪɴᴇ ɪɴ ᴀ ʙᴀɢ ( ooc. )#( META. )#long post /#i didn't talk about the injured eye as much as i planned because i already covered that in an older analysis #but i'm starting to wonder if that's going to be a permanent change to mur.doc's character #i feel like... there's a chance it might be or that it's at least gonna take some time for the eye to heal up properly

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Emotional abuse: The warning signs

By Lauren Williams.

In my experience, nothing can be more damaging to a person’s self-esteem and wellbeing than being trapped in an emotionally abusive relationship of any kind. Generally, people have no trouble identifying physical abuse as it’s pretty black and white; it tends to kick off in dramatic outbursts and they physically hurt you. Most people would take it very seriously if somebody disclosed that they were experiencing physical violence, however this is not always the case for emotional abuse. This is because it’s not black and white at all. It’s subtle, difficult to spot and often overlooked because people simply are not aware of what emotional abuse is, even though it is equally as unacceptable and often more damaging.

How can it possibly be more damaging? Because it creeps up on you. Often, the victim doesn’t realise it is happening until things escalate and it is extremely difficult to find a way out. Victims may be led to believe that abusive behaviours are ‘normal’ or even ‘loving.’ It slowly disintegrates the victim's sense of self value, self-esteem, trust in themselves and in others. It can undermine the way we think about ourselves and can make us question our own sanity. It leaves psychological scars and emotional pain that can take a long time to heal and the victim is left to deal with this pain even after they have left the relationship. It’s painfully isolating and no-one deserves to experience this, but the reality is it’s extremely common.

You may be reading and thinking ‘this would never apply to me or anyone I know’ but in fact, domestic abuse affects 1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men in the UK which is a lot of people. Abusers do not discriminate and it is possible for anybody, regardless of gender, age, background to find themselves caught up in this, and for that reason it is an issue we all need to be aware of. Abuse doesn’t just occur in romantic relationships, but it can also be present in relationships with friends, family, colleagues and bosses. I genuinely believe that one of the first steps towards creating safer and healthier relationships is awareness and education around this issue, hence I am writing this in order to highlight the classic warning signs of an abusive relationship, as these behaviours should not be tolerated. I’m not an expert by any means but I know enough from personal and professional experience working as an Independent Domestic Abuse Advisor (IDVA) for my placement year, which was very fulfilling and from which I learned a lot. It is a subject I feel very strongly about which is why I have joined Cardiff University’s Domestic Violence Awareness Society and why I am writing this, to start a conversation about this very serious issue. Reading this will take just 10 minutes of your time, and you might learn something useful.

So, first of all what is emotional abuse? Emotional abuse is characterised by a person subjecting another person to behaviour that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder. This can include verbal abuse, threatening, bullying, shaming, manipulating and controlling your partner. Not sure what constitutes this exactly? Here are some examples:

1. They put you down and belittle you – Abusive people will constantly put you down with hurtful comments because the more insecure you are, the easier you are to manipulate and control. These comments could be about anything; your appearance, intelligence, career, values but they’ll always find something to belittle. They will brush off your achievements and may even make you feel guilty about them. Got a promotion at work? They won’t celebrate with you but they may say ‘Well I guess you’ll be too busy with work to have time for me then’ or ‘Oh is that it?’ because they don’t want to see you succeed. If you ask them to stop saying those things because it hurts your feelings, they will claim that you’re being ‘too sensitive’ or it was ‘just a joke’.

2. Arguments are about inflicting pain and winning, not solving problems – Everyone has arguments right, but how you handle yourself in an argument speaks volumes about you as a person. Instead of sitting down calmly and hashing it out like adults, abusive people will be focussed on hurting you and winning the fight. Even if you go to them in a completely civil and rational way, like ‘Hey can I talk to you about something that’s upsetting me?’ they will still perceive it as an attack and will always meet you with aggression. They will try to ‘one up’ you and say things that are below the belt for maximum impact to make you as jealous or as angry as they currently feel, because that is the only way they know how to deal with the situation. They will viciously tear you down because once you’re feeling hurt and insecure yourself, you are less of a threat to them.

3. You are always the problem – They will never, ever admit when they are wrong therefore everything must be your fault. Any relationship issues you may be having are down to you and what you’re doing wrong, because they are the perfect partner. Their behaviour is not abusive at all, it’s just ‘protective’ or an expression of their ‘love’ which you are clearly not grateful for. They will tell you they are the ‘best thing that has ever happened to you’ and that you’re ‘so lucky to have them because no one else would ever want you’. This is a hallmark of an abusive person, as most people are happy to admit and apologise for their mistakes but abusers have such fragile self-esteem they try to portray themselves as a superior, perfect people. Instead of acknowledging that they actually did something wrong, they will convince you that everything is your fault and when someone close to you tells you this constantly, then you will likely start to believe them and feel terrible about yourself, even though it’s not true. Remember these people are master manipulators and can get in your head.

4. They try to control you and do not allow you to have privacy – They want to know where you are at all times, who you’re with and whether there is anyone there who could be deemed threatening. They will tell you what to wear, what to eat and drink, what you can post on social media and who you are allowed to talk to. They may tell you to delete people they don’t like off social media and if you refuse to do so, they will do it without your permission anyway. If they cannot physically stop you doing something, then they will make it as psychologically unpleasant as possible for you if you ‘disobey’ them and eventually you will start to comply for the sake of an easy life. They know your social media and phone passwords but you’re not allowed theirs, which is fine because secure people should not need to go through their partner’s phone when they are not aware. If you say you don’t want them to do this because it’s an invasion of privacy, they say ‘What are you hiding from me then?’ You are 100% entitled to your privacy and a healthy partner would respect that, but abusive people will not.

5. They try to isolate you – An abuser doesn’t want you to have a social support network because then you’re more likely to leave them. The more alone you are, the more stuck you are. For example, if you want to go out with your friends they will make you feel so guilty or upset beforehand, that you will end up not wanting to go, or constantly bombard you with messages when you are out of the house to ruin your night. Eventually you may stop socialising altogether to avoid the consequences.

6. They convince you that you’re insane- This is called ‘gas lighting’ which is a subtle form of manipulation that aims to make you question your own memory, perception, and sanity just enough to sow the seeds of doubt. They deny things you know definitely happened but will go to ridiculous lengths to try and convince you they didn’t happen, making you question yourself. For example, perhaps you suspect infidelity but when you ask them about it and they completely deny knowing the person in question, even if you can recall several times they have met. Another example could be deleting texts or pictures from your phone but denying they touched it, but you know something is missing but you just can’t prove it.

7. They make wild accusations – Guilty people accuse. Many abusers constantly accuse their partner of cheating when there is no evidence of any infidelity. Often, victims have very little contact with anybody without their partner being present anyway so despite not having the opportunity to be unfaithful, they will still be accused. Something as normal as wanting to exercise can be turned into ‘Who are you seeing at the gym?’ It’s relentless and if they are behaving this way then they are more likely to be cheating on you.

8. They threaten you in subtle ways- One touch or one particular look in public to make you know that you have done something very ‘wrong’ and that you will receive the consequences later.

9. You feel like you’re stepping on eggshells - You feel a constant sense of anxiety and discomfort when around them because you are aware of how volatile they are. You may feel like you are constantly stepping on egg shells, waiting for them to snap so you can never truly relax.

10. They blame you for things out of your control – You are terrified that anyone may look at you or even attempt to talk to you because they will blame you. Even if you politely decline their advances, you obviously ‘asked’ for it from your body language and with the ‘provocative’ clothes you were wearing. If they have a bad day, they will use you as their emotional punching bag. Healthy couples should not take their bad mood out on their partner or blame them for things that they had no control over.

11. They cannot stand being laughed at or laugh at themselves – They can make fun of you, humiliate and criticise you to their hearts desire, but if you were to make a joke about them, laugh at their expense or even try to give them constructive criticism, they will lose their temper and you will be sorry you did.

12. Whirlwind romance – As a general rule, emotional abuse and moving fast in a relationship tend to go hand in hand. They may want to take your relationship to the next stage such as moving in together which can be great for healthy couples, but for abusers this will just be another way to control and isolate you. If you say you’re not ready, they question your commitment and loyalties to them because ‘who are you planning on leaving them for anyway’? The more commitments you have with somebody abusive e.g. a house, a child and marriage the more stuck you are which is exactly their motive. People reveal their true selves after a while, which is why it is good to take things slow and get to know somebody before deciding whether you want to be with them.

13. They will guilt trip you - They love playing the victim and they will make any excuse under the sun for their controlling behaviour. ‘My ex cheated on me which is why I don’t trust you’ or ‘I’m doing this because I love you’. ‘Do you not love me anymore, is that why you don’t want sex? Or are you getting it from somewhere else?’

14. Erratic ups and downs – Your relationship is like a roller-coaster, one minute everything is fine, they are telling you that you are the love of their life and the next they are screaming at you for attracting another person’s attention. Their anger can go from 0 to 100 in two seconds flat and it’s exhausting. Healthy relationships can still have ups and downs, but they are generally a lot less erratic and extreme than abusive relationships.

15. They won’t let you walk away– If you say you want to end the relationship, they will try everything they can think of to make you stay including emotional blackmail, apologising profusely, promising change that will never happen and perhaps threatening you. They may say things like ‘You will never find another person who will love you, this is the biggest mistake of your life’ or ‘If you leave me for another man, I’ll kill you both.’ They may shower you with gifts and flowers to say ‘sorry’ but this is generally just another manipulation strategy. They will not be able to respect your decision.

16. Once they can no longer control you, they will try to control the way people perceive you – When you leave an abusive person, a big backlash should be expected, because they will be absolutely furious that you have regained control. They will speak about you in a derogatory way to others, tell lies or exaggerations about you to anyone who will listen, perhaps try to interfere with any future relationships or job prospects because they will likely want revenge. This can be very scary and unpleasant, but this says more about them than you and the people who truly know you will know it’s all just rooted in resentment rather than truth. If you are truly concerned for your safety in this event, then reporting incidents to the police or a domestic abuse agency would be the best course of action.

Moving forward:

People who have suffered abuse tend to ask ‘How did I let this happen? How did I not see it before? Was this my fault? The answer to that is no, it is never the victims fault. Abusive people are master manipulators, compulsive liars and they are extremely good at convincing you that they are somebody they are not, so it’s natural that people tend to take them and what they say at face value at first. Unless you are educated on the warning signs of abuse, there was no way you could have known what this person was going to turn out to be like, so don’t put any of the blame on yourself. Sometimes you can’t help getting caught up in someone else’s issues and they are their issues, not yours.

Many people ask ‘Will they change?’ and the short answer is no, it is extremely unlikely that they will ever change. This is who they are, as abusive traits are usually deeply engrained learned behaviours that are very difficult to un-learn. The only way a person would change is if they actually wanted to and many abusers do not even recognise they are doing anything wrong, let alone are motivated to change, besides what’s in it for them? It would take professional help and deep self-insight (which most do not have) for an abusive person to change. I understand having emotional ties with a person makes it difficult to just walk away and you may be scared of the repercussions of doing so, but there are agencies you can contact for advice and support around this matter. They are educated about abuse and will want to help.

This was not written from some sort of moral high ground but it was written to raise awareness and to reduce stigma around emotional abuse. The fact is we are all humans who make mistakes, have imperfections and we all come with past wounds and baggage from previous experiences. However, the whole point of a healthy, nurturing relationship is to find someone who accepts you for who you are. Someone with whom you can mutually support and heal each other, not someone you are constantly battling with. It is every person’s right to have healthy and loving relationships with others around them and experiencing abuse does not have to tarnish the way you view relationships. If you have experienced abuse, there is help available out there for you if you should want it and you can use this experience to learn, grow and make more informed choices next time. Such an experience does not have to define you or your future relationships. Good relationships should not make you feel constantly anxious, depressed, belittled, disrespected, or scared. It doesn’t matter how much they tell you they do it because they ‘love’ you, it’s not acceptable. Someone who loves you will respect you, listen to you, compromise for you, go out of their way to make you happy, respect your boundaries and privacy, accept your shortcomings and make you feel like you are a part of a team, not in a constant power struggle and toxic cycle.

If anybody is affected or knows somebody who may be affected by these issues, then there is support available through the links below and I would encourage you to talk to someone, because you should not have to deal with this alone.

Thank you for listening :)

Useful links:

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/

http://www.mensadviceline.org.uk/

http://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/emotional-abuse.html

https://www.nhs.uk/livewell/abuse/pages/domestic-violence-help.aspx

#domesticabuse #emotionalabuse

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