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[greatqueenanna]

I've just seen frozen forces of nature arts and queen Disa is so pretty! She looks like a young Halle Berry. I'm in love. ❤

Anon is referring to these official images of Queen Disa.

(I think that's all of them so far).

I think Queen Disa's design is very cute and well made, and it helps make her unique amongst the sisters. It is a little on the nose though. Like, of course her skirt has gear-looking designs haha. Now I'm waiting for some official images of Wolfgang.

#Queen Disa #Forces of Nature #Frozen Podcast #greatqueenanna/responses #frozen

[ericmicael]

Interesting words from Jennifer Lee:

Social media, of course, is already on the case; an avalanche of opinion that Elsa should be gay is gaining force. “That’s dangerous storytelling,” Lee says. “I hear it occasionally in the studio: ‘I don’t want a character who …’

“But it’s not what you want, it’s ‘Who is this character? What does she need?’ It’s hard because you never know what the landscape is like on social media. You can only know what it’s like in that story room.”

In the text she also talks about Elsa's inspiration, which is her own sister, Amy.

“We were kids who grew up with a mom who worked a lot, our parents were divorced. Amy was the responsible one, she had all the burdens. She was magical to me. Everything she did I thought was the greatest thing, though I was not quite so magical to her.”

Lee grins. She’s like a good Disney movie herself. She can switch seamlessly between emotions. “I was the wild child. I had all the creativity, like Anna.”

And some about Elsa's personality:

“Elsa trying to tell jokes is one of the funniest ideas.” Not a natural comedian then? “She tries, the poor thing. I think of her having to face the crowds at Arendelle, an introvert’s nightmare. Things like that are in my head all the time.”

There are other interesting phrases in the interview, but I found these to be the most interesting. I think it's worth a more complete analysis of this interview, @greatqueenanna.

#frozen 2 #frozen 3 #frozen 4 #jennifer lee #give elsa a girlfriend #elsamaren

[hb-pickle]

Frozen 2: Myths & Rumors

Before I start, here is an awesome post made by @greatqueenanna about the more popular Frozen 2 rumors. It debunks popular myths such as early drafts of F2 including Elsa dying for real in Ahtohallan and Anna getting magic powers. This post is meant for more small scale rumors that GreatQueenAnna did not address ♥ 

I’m not an expert, so if anyone has any hard proof (screenshots, links, tweets from directors, etc) that any of this isn’t true, please show me!!! Most of these rumors are pure hearsay, with no actual evidence (from what I’ve seen), so I’ll just be using canon sources to disprove them. 

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+ Honeymaren and Ryder are 16/17 years old + FALSE

This rumor apparently comes someone who saw the June 2019 F2 character bios, which stated that Honeymaren is 16 and Ryder is 17. I’ve never seen any evidence of these early character bios, but the current ones that exist (from storybooks, and the fan wiki) do not confirm or list either Northuldra’s age. Their ages are also not confirmed in film.

Honeymaren’s Bio & Ryder’s Bio

Also, if we use our context clues, we can assess that Honeymaren and Ryder are both adults, at the very least. The 1st time we see the Northuldra siblings, they ambush the Frohana gang. Not only that, but they are front and center, Honeymaren dropping down right at the front of the attack team, with Ryder standing a little behind her. Honeymaren is also the first to speak, commanding Anna to “lower her weapon”. Surely the Northuldra wouldn’t send actual children to go ambush and attack the mysterious strangers. And the fact that Honeymaren is 1st to speak, shows that she must hold some sort of important position of power/authority in her group, which wouldn’t be given to a young, inexperienced girl. ((Also if you look at the crowd of Northuldra that attack the main heroes, they are all adults))

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+ Honeymaren and Ryder are Elsa and Anna’s cousins + FALSE

This rumor comes from the same mysterious June documents from above. The only other ‘evidence’ that supports this rumor is that all four characters come from the same tribe, which only means they’re of the same ethnicity, not blood related. Canonically, Honeymaren and Ryder’s only established familial relationships are to each other, as brother and sister. 

Context Clues - When Honeymaren and Ryder identify Iduna’s shawl as Northuldra, they say “This is from one of our oldest families”. People don’t refer to their own family in the 3rd person like that, and if this was their family shawl they would’ve said “my family”(1st person). Also, if this was Honeymaren and Ryder’s family shawl, they would’ve immediately recognized it as their own and would’ve said so. Not to mention, seeing outsiders with their family shawl would’ve probably provoked them to mention the tragic disappearance of their mother/father’s baby sister (young Iduna).

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+ At the end of Frozen 2 Elsa goes to lives in Ahtohallan + FALSE

This rumor apparently comes from a tweet from either Jennifer Lee or Chris Buck. If anyone has these tweets, please show me, but otherwise it’s just a funny rumor. Canonically Elsa's current home is the Enchanted Forest, confirmed by the fan wiki and by the movie’s ending.

Elsa’s Character Bio showing that her current home is the Enchanted Forest.

Enchanted Forest Bio showing that Elsa is a current inhabitant.

Context Clues - Honestly this rumor just doesn’t make sense. Like... why would Elsa live in Ahtohallan when there is nothing in there but ice and murder magic? At the end of the film, Elsa’s new goal in life isn’t explicitly stated, but it’s almost universally agreed upon to be protecting the forest/watching over the spirits (Anna even tells Elsa to “keep looking after the forest” in her paper airplane note). All four spirits live in the Enchanted Forest, so logically she’d chose to live amongst them. At the end of the film, Elsa is also shown happily standing in the Enchanted Forest, right next to the Northuldra’s village (you can see them in the background with their reindeer, houses, campfires, etc). After this establishing shot, she summons Nokk, rides around the Enchanted forest, interacting happily with more Northuldra, and then heads to Ahtohallan across the sea. She explicitly did not refer to Ahtohallan as her home, choosing to say “We’re going for a ride,” not that she was “going home”.

 Also in many post-Frozen 2 children's books and comics, Elsa and Anna both state that Elsa lives in the forest and depict Elsa living in and enjoying the forest.

((There is also no canon evidence that Elsa visited Ahtohallan again after the events of Frozen 2.))

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+ In the deleted song ‘See The Sky’ the Northuldra want Elsa to die for them + FALSE

I assume this comes from a simple translation error. You can see the full lyrics for ‘See The Sky’ HERE. In this song, the Northuldra and the Arendelle soldiers both blame each other for the mist and the fighting. But, they also recognize Elsa as their only hope of escaping and believe she is a gift from nature. The song is supposed to make Elsa (and Anna) feel uneasy because of the immense amount of pressure it puts on them, but the Northuldra nor the Arendellians expect Elsa to die for them or anything. At the end of the song Elsa even says “I want to give this to you!” so she is explicitly accepting the responsibility both sides are asking of her.

This deleted song was showcased in the Disney+ Frozen 2 documentary, and no other context was given for before or after the song would’ve taken place, so we don’t know if Elsa/the forest folk knew of the potential danger ahead.

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+ The scene where Honeymaren and Elsa hold hands was removed in some countries + TRUE

Honeymaren and Elsa touching was just too spicy for some countries I guess lmao. PROOF (very bottom of the page in the trivia section)

(I wanted to end on a nice note)

#frozen 2 #frozen ii #frozen #disney frozen #frozen analysis #frozen 2 analysis #frozen discussion #frozen 2 discussion #its my blog and i can color edit the gifs if i want to #northuldra #analysis #discussion #rumors #elsa #anna #honeymaren #ryder nattura #ryder #see the sky #frozen 2 deleted song #disney frozen 2

[the-blue-fairie]

@greatqueenanna, thank you for that beautiful post and the sisters’ connection across Frozen and Frozen 2. It was eloquent, well-argued, and helped me to reflect on some issues I had with the film and gauge if they were truly issues. In the Frozen fandom, I think we sometimes have a tendency to go to extremes about either or both of the sisters based on our emotional connections to one of them in particular or both of them. People who prefer Anna can sometimes be overly critical of Elsa and people who prefer Elsa can sometimes be overly critical of Anna - or people’s perspectives in general can be based more on their emotional responses than the text of the film. This has happened to me before. I once wrote an overly negative take on Elsa and the ice boat scene that I deeply regret because I felt such a close connection to Anna’s perspective in the scene.

On that note, is it okay if I meditate for a moment on parts of your post I agree with and parts I disagree with? Not to be judgmental of you, you understand, but simply to express my opinion.

I agree with your sympathetic take on both Elsa’s and Anna’s motivations during the ice boat scene. Anna wants to go to great lengths to protect Elsa and Elsa wants to go to great lengths to protect Anna. You write that, “Although Elsa really wanted to protect Anna, she needed to come to terms that this was also Anna’s journey and needed to let her come along and help her. While Anna wanted to protect Elsa, she needed to come to terms that change does not mean she will lose what she has.”

My issue is that the film doesn’t really dwell on Elsa “needing to come to terms that this was also Anna’s journey and needing to let her come along and help her.”

Let me explain. Those themes are present in the finished film, but in my opinion, they are not given time to breathe - making Elsa’s arc feel somewhat rushed and unsatisfying to me. While Anna gets a whole song dedicated to her internal self-reflection in The Next Right Thing, Elsa’s moment of understanding and coming to terms with what she needed to come to terms with is presented when Elsa exclaims, “Anna!” and sends the message before freezing. Anna’s epiphany takes more time to hit home for the audience because we are allowed to dwell with her emotions - while Elsa’s epiphany feels abrupt, cut short because Elsa freezes to death and stays frozen for a chunk of time.

Anna’s epiphany has more time to land  and the audience has more time to meditate on it while Elsa’s epiphany is more oblique. We can’t get a personal reflection from Elsa about how fear has influenced Elsa’s interactions with Anna in the earlier scenes because Elsa is frozen. The closest we get to a meditation on fear is Elsa’s address about how, “Fear is what can’t be trusted,” to the memory of Runeard - but that is divorced from the personal fears that have fraught the relationship between the sisters over the course of the film.

Couple that with the fact that Elsa’s apology to Anna at the end is indirect and Elsa’s arc feels... rushed to me. Again, this is my personal opinion. The story beats are there, but (in my opinion) they don’t get the chance to breathe the way Anna’s emotional journey gets a chance to breathe.

The pain of Elsa’s fear for Anna’s safety gets dropped for the dramatic moment of Elsa crossing the Dark Sea, followed by an exultant moment of validation from Iduna, before the film finally circles back to the consequences of Elsa’s actions - but that moment is all too brief for me. Then, while the film clearly and firmly has Anna apologize to Kristoff, it makes Elsa’s apology to Anna indirect. This doesn’t make Elsa bad at all. Elsa is still clearly a loving sister and I’m glad you are highlighting the moments during the reunion when Elsa lifts Anna up; people tend to disregard those in order to be overly negative about Elsa, but at the same time... I feel the indirectness when it comes to Elsa has a negative impact on Elsa’s arc.

As such, I can see why the sisters’ relationship can be so controversial among different parts of the fandom, depending on which character each side gravitates more towards. I have friends who are fans of Anna and sometimes they tell me that Anna got neglected in F2 because, while Elsa gets a whole song validating her in the form of Show Yourself, the focus of the film for Anna is more the pain Anna goes through. At the same time, I also have friends who are Elsa fans who feel that Elsa was done a disservice by F2 because the film rushes certain key aspects of Elsa’s emotional journey and because they feel that Anna’s emotional journey was much more fulfilling.

(Personally, I sympathize deeply with Anna’s perspective in the ice boat scene and, as you might have guessed, I feel Elsa made a mistake in going on her own and feel the film should have given Anna greater validation in the face of all her incredibly justified fears, especially since I feel like Anna suffers a lot in the film... but at the same time, I disagree with people who try to demonize Elsa because, as you mention, Elsa is a loving sister who ultimately does validate Anna. But that’s my own personal agreement with Anna’s perspective speaking, and that’s just my opinion. But I feel my commentary on the discrepancy in time regarding each sister’s epiphany is more objective.)

It’s a complicated matter - and I’ve seen valid discussions from people on all sides (and I’ve also seen people arguing in bad faith either to tear down Elsa and prop up Anna or tear down Anna and prop up Elsa or to unfairly dismiss both the merits and the flaws of F2.)

For my part, I am conflicted about Frozen 2 because, while I feel the basic structure and outline of the film is sound, I feel certain parts aren’t as executed as well as they could be. Parts can be rushed and disjointed, but overall it is a compelling work with interesting ideas.

Sorry, this got really long.

#frozen #frozen 2 #elsa #anna #discussion

[greatqueenanna]

Why didn't Olaf's love save Anna? Isn't his willingness to melt for her an act of true love?

To be honest with you, while its not explicitly stated anywhere, I am under the fan belief that Anna needed to perform the act herself. Because not only does Olaf's act count, but Also Kristoff running back to Arendelle and leaving Anna with Hans.

Like what Olaf said haha.

I believe that Anna had to do the act herself and save her own heart. The film puts a lot of emphasis that Anna doesn't really know what love is, and also pushes the idea that 'Anna thawed her own heart'. This emphasis is probably there to push this point across, that Anna needed to understand love in order for her heart to thaw.

It's just one of those quirky things about Frozen's lore I suppose.

#greatqueenanna/responses #anna #frozen #kristoff #elsa #Olaf

[greatqueenanna]

I think the biggest reason for Agnar and Iduna’s failure in handing Elsa’s magic, is that they were so concerned with the direct result of the accident that they neglected their daughters emotional states in the aftermath of the accident. Elsa need emotional comfort that her powers didn’t make her a monster. Anna may have been five, but anything would have been better then leaving her in the dark to think that her sister hated her. And to be clear, I don’t hate their parents. This just came up.

For the most part, I agree. Iduna and Agnarr's choices were extreme because of their fears and they forgot to take care of their daughter's emotional states and better nurture them.

But I also feel that there are still some things to consider here.

Iduna and Agnarr had no knowledge of what Elsa's magic is meant to be or represent. They didn't know where Elsa's magic came from, if they were good or bad, or how Elsa is supposed to control them - or that she even needed to control them in the first place.

As far as they were concerned, Elsa was able to control them just fine and played freely with Anna with no issues. This was just something unique that Elsa was born with and could be easily pursued and studied when the time came for it. No urgency here.

Then Anna got hurt, completely by accident, and almost died.

These mysterious powers, once thought to be just a unique trait, were now shown to be capable of causing serious harm. Now there is a huge urgency to better understand these powers. However, there were no answers - only uncertainties.

Who/what gave Elsa this magic, and why?

What is the purpose of this magic?

Will the magic hurt Anna again?

Will Anna's condition progress again if she sees the magic?

Will the magic hurt someone else this time?

Was the magic capable of hurting Elsa herself?

What would the kingdom think?

Will the kingdom come after Elsa to hurt her?

Will the Kingdom deny her the right to rule?

Would another Kingdom try to attack Arendelle?

Uncertainty leads to fear, and fear leads to bad choices.

Now, I'm not saying "You can't criticize Agnarr and Iduna or want more accountability for their choices." Far from it.

I personally still want closure for the past and hope they finally just let Anna and Elsa talk about it without any subtleties. After all, it was the choices of the parents that led to Anna and Elsa's more serious flaws and its about time to just let the conversation happen. You don't have to paint the parents in a bad light to do this, since they did recognize that what they were doing wasn't working, and died in their attempt to make it right - which is very commendable and heartbreaking. But it also wouldn't hurt the narrative at all by just letting the conversation finally happen.

TLDR - Its easy for us on the outside to say- "Did the parents seriously think that by isolating Elsa and teaching her to hide a part of herself was going to end well, and not add to her trauma of hurting Anna while damaging her self-esteem?" when we know how to control the magic, and what Elsa's magic is meant to be. Actually being in this situation, however, is a completely different story, and there was a lot that Agnarr and Iduna had to consider, including both of their daughter's safety as well as the safety and security of Arendelle itself, as was their responsibility as rulers.

#frozen #frozen 2 #Agduna #King Agnarr #Queen Iduna #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

Is Hans mean to be a foil only to Anna (the protagonist)? Or is he meant to be a foil to Elsa, Kristoff and Olaf as well?

That's an interesting question actually.

On the surface, Hans is obviously a foil to Anna. Both of them were shut out by siblings, both of them were spares, both of them didn't know what love was. However, while Anna chose to find love and have hope - choosing to understand and forgive Elsa. Hans, on the other hand, continues to be bitter and uses his hate towards his family and use it as a driving force for his actions.

This is most likely because even though Anna's parents did problematic things, they still loved their daughters and tried their best to help them with the knowledge they had. Hans' parents, as by Jennifer Lee's words, didn't give Hans any love. We can even push this mirroring more with F2 - Hans tried to manipulate and force his way to become a ruler, while Anna earned it through her selfless actions and strength.

However, Hans could actually be a foil to the other characters as well. Anna he mirrors the most, but I do think there are some things he mirrors for the others as well.

Both Hans and Elsa are hiding who they truly are - they are both even using gloves as a visual representation of their secrecy. For Elsa, it is to protect others from herself. For Hans, he's 'protecting' himself. In other words, he's hiding what he actually wants so he can obtain it.

Hans and Kristoff are both people who have become disillusioned by the world. Anna becomes a window to the world for both of them. For Hans, Anna helps him by being a tool he can use to get what he wants form the world. For Kristoff, Anna helps him open up and reunite with the world.

Now for Olaf - Olaf represents the love between the sisters and helps to bring them back together in the end. Hans, on the other hand, drives them further apart and is the cause of them fighting and Elsa revealing her magic.

#greatqueenanna/responses #Prince Hans #Frozen #hans westergaard #Elsa #Anna #Olaf #Kristoff

[greatqueenanna]

I was scrolling through your posts and read your response to an anon's question regarding Male Elsa (or Elias lol) and you mentioned if they meant villain Elsa. My question is, what would the movie be like if Elsa was a villain but redeemable and sympathetic as originally planned, in your opinion?

It depends on which Elsa we're talking about. Because there are two evil, but sympathetic pre-Elsa's.

The one on the left (we'll call her Crown!Elsa) is the Elsa that is not related to Anna, with the backstory of being left at the altar and becoming the self-proclaimed Snow Queen after freezing her own heart. The one on the right (Onion!Elsa) is the Elsa that is Anna's sister and was forced to hide her magic, becoming jealous of Anna finding love and freezes her heart so she'll know her pain.

Both of them end up trying to attack Arendelle with a Snow Man army, only to be foiled by Hans who causes an avalanche to destroy them and Arendelle. Anna helps both realize their mistakes, and convinces them to help save Arendelle, becoming redeemed.

You can find more info on them and other versions of Pre-Frozen in my What Came Before Analysis (Shameless self-plug in lol).

In terms of Crown!Elsa, I don't think her story would be as emotional to be honest. Interesting, sure, but Anna and Elsa being sisters is like the breakthrough that made this story work in the first place. A random lady that Anna has to appeal to to get her to be good doesn't hold the same weight, unless if Anna knew her on a personal level (friend of her mom, aunt, care taker, mentor, etc).

Now, Onion!Elsa always sounded really interesting to me. Don't get me wrong, I would choose the Elsa we have now any day, but I have to admit that Onion!Elsa always sounded like a really fun character. If we go by her original characterization, she seemed very childish in a way and very overly dramatic.

Like, look at this old art by Claire Keane.

She just seems so full of character and emotion - she seems like she is both goofy and full of heartache that you can't help but feel for her. Also, she apparently raps. I kid you not. If you read @Stitchkingdom's post here, you can actually take a look at Onion!Elsa and Anna's song that predated FTFTIF Reprise, Cool With Me.

So if we take Onion!Elsa, and put her right into the current Frozen and Frozen 2, things would be very different.

First off, Onion!Elsa would probably be much crueler towards Anna wanting to marry Hans - straight up calling her stupid. I'm pretty sure Onion!Elsa would cause the winter on purpose as well. I'm also pretty sure she would hit Anna on purpose (but regret it afterwards), and have no issues killing off the Duke's Henchmen. She would probably clap back at Hans' "Don't be the monster they fear you are!" with something like "How about you tell them to stop trying to murder me?!" She would probably be less kind to Hans and the Duke's treachery, and probably at the very least freeze their asses before sending them away.

In Frozen 2, she would probably be much more distant in Arendelle and could maybe feel a stronger pull towards the voice. I imagine Onion!Elsa would also be much more strict with Anna following her everywhere, and have no problems pushing her away earlier on (for example, maybe she straight up leaves Anna behind at the Northuldra Camp after the Earth Giants come along to chase them). Also, Onion!Elsa would most likely let Arendelle fall to be rebuilt, because she would be much more offended by her grandfather's treachery and feel it needs to be destroyed, even if the spirits felt otherwise.

#Onion!Elsa #frozen 2 #frozen #elsa #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

What are your thoughts on Kristoff’s role in Frozen 2? I have mixed feelings about it. I understand that Frozen will always be about Elsa and Anna and don’t expect Kristoff to get a huge role. But it felt like part of their goal was to revert Kristoff to just somebody pining for their lover while Anna becomes the hero. Women and men should be depicted as equals in media. In the first movie, Kristoff was heroic without overshadowing the two sisters. Men should be heroic while expressing emotion

It's definitely a tough subject because of how complicated the entire thing is. There is no easy answer here, to be honest.

I agree with the notion that Kristoff's role was minimized in the sequel to a more comedic side plot rather than anything too complex. It was necessary because like with the first film (and pretty much the reason why the sequel is complicated to begin with), the second film had a lot of plots intertangling with one another that caused the plot to feel overstuffed - forcing the writers to reduce plot points.

Also, as you said, Frozen is established as a story about two sisters, so it makes sense that Elsa and Anna's stories take center stage and need to be the priority of the writers. However, it's still a bit sad to see Kristoff completely in the background this time around and meant to be viewed as comedic with only a small narrative about men and their relationship with emotions. It's not a bad narrative of course, but again it's such a tiny aspect of the sequel that if you never showed it, the film wouldn't have really changed.

I do know that this was not the original intention of the writers because we are told many times that the story of Kristoff and Anna's relationship was so big at one point in the sequel, that it almost completely overshadowed the main plot - leading to them needing to refocus the story. Thus, this isn't really an issue of whether or not the writers knew what to do with Kristoff or didn't care about his character - it was a matter of them just trying to find the voice of the sequel and figuring out what they were trying to do.

On the subject of Kristoff can be both heroic and emotional, he actually still is. Honestly, here is where I disagree with you. Kristoff quite literally saved Anna three times in Frozen 2 - once during the fire, while she was running from the Earth Giants, and then again with Mattias when they pulled her up from falling off the dam. Kristoff is still ridiculously heroic, and Anna would not have pulled off destroying the Dam without Kristoff's help. If that's not equality between the sexes, then I don't know what is haha.

#Frozen 2 #Anna #Kristoff #kristanna #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

Where in Frozen 2 does it imply that Elsa is Asexual?

When Elsa and Anna are playing in the beginning.

Anna: Uh oh! The princess is trapped in the snow goblin's evil spell! Quick Elsa, make a prince, a fancy one! Oh no, the prince is stuck too! "Who cares about danger when there's love?" *Makes a prince and princess snow doll kiss* Elsa: Ugh, Anna, blegh… Kissing won't save the forest! The Lost Fairies cry out! What sound does a giraffe make? Nevermind! They wake the Fairy Queen, who breaks the spell and saves everyone! Anna: And they all get married!

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean Elsa is asexual, since they're just kids - but given that Anna in the first film prioritized romance and finding her true love, much like her kid self here, I believe that this is meant to be a soft hint at where Anna and Elsa stand in terms of romance. Anna treasures it, while Elsa (as of F2, at least) prioritizes other things.

#anna #elsa #frozen 2 #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

I have always been bothered when I hear Frozen fans call Elsa selfish. This has been going on since the first film but has increased since Frozen 2. Elsa literally sacrificed her own happiness for 13 years just to protect others. She jumped into the depths of Ahtohallan just to rectify the wrongs done years ago. But it seems that, whatever Elsa has even the slightest amount of happiness, she is accused as selfish.

It’s definitely one of the criticisms of Elsa I could never get behind. Elsa is not selfish, not even close.

It might have to do with how Elsa deals with problems that make some people feel as though she is self-centered. Elsa is the type of person that wants to deal with problems on her own and not burden the people she loves or cares about. She is a ‘lone guardian’ type person who wants to stop issues before they reach others. Even if this means disregarding the desires of said loved ones - example, pushing Anna away for her safety, twice, even with Anna protesting against it.

Elsa has pretty much been sacrificing her own needs and desires since the first film, and feels as though her whole existence is a burden onto others. Just because she chooses, one time, to seek something out for herself doesn’t negate all of this sacrifice she does. Elsa is all about other people, she’s allowed to seek something that gives her peace and freedom.

#frozen 2 #frozen #elsa #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

If Elsa is the fifth spirit then why her official title is now the snow queen? Doesn't quite make sense. Not to mention it complicates F3 even further. She can't be called both since it will confuse the viewers.

Jennifer Lee says that her intention was for both Elsa and Anna to be the Fifth Spirit. Elsa makes this pretty clear when she tells Anna, "Well, actually, a bridge has two sides. And mother had two daughters. We did this together." Elsa is The Snow Queen. Anna is the Queen of Arendelle. Together, they are The Fifth Spirit.

However, she doesn't have Elsa doesn't say it directly because she wanted fans to come to their own conclusion. Jennifer Lee has always had this mindset of letting fans have a bit of freedom with the narrative. Maybe she thought that some fans wouldn't want this for Anna because she was always described as an underdog with only love as a power. Directly giving her a special "Fifth Spirit" title might negate this aspect of her character for some fans.

In terms of the title showing up in F3, I don't think "The Fifth Spirit" will actually show up again. It hasn't really shown up in side content or any other meta (at least, from what I can remember, I could be wrong). Elsa has always been referred to as The Snow Queen in most side content. Why? Probably because of Jennifer Lee's comments. The intention is that both Anna and Elsa are the Fifth Spirit. If they bring this up in F3, and call them both this, then it gets rid of that narrative freedom.

Of course, they could just say "f@ck narrative freedom" and give them both the title in the next film. I would be all for that. I'm honestly tired of people denying that Anna is the Fifth Spirit because the narrative supposedly didn't spoon feed it to the audience. As if Anna's actions and Elsa's words are not enough to tell you that they both are the Fifth Spirit.

Like come on people. The film establishes that Elsa's powers were a gift because of Iduna's sacrifice. It describes that the Fifth Spirit is a bridge. Elsa says that Iduna had two daughters and that a bridge has two sides. 2 + 2 = 4. Or better yet, Elsa + Anna = Fifth Spirit. Can you tell that I'm salty about this? Haha.

#frozen 2 #Frozen 3 #Elsa #Anna #greatqueenanna/responses

[greatqueenanna]

Is it canon that Elsa lives inside Ahtohallan or just fanon?

It's Fanon as far as I know. There is nothing post-F2 (that I know of) that states that Elsa lives inside Ahtohallan. In fact, although not directly stated, it is heavily implied in Polar Nights that Elsa lives with or near the Northuldra.

“I’m doing better than okay. I’m great,” Elsa promised. She looked at Bruni, whose flames illuminated the small patch of snow that kept him cool. “I’ve been learning so much from the spirits, Honeymaren, Ryder, and all the Northuldra about the ways of the forest. And my trips to Ahtohallan have been”—Elsa looked too overwhelmed to even put her experiences with the magical river that contained memories of the past into words—“truly magical.”

Here, Elsa directly states that she goes on trips to Ahtohallan - if she lived inside, there would be no need for her to make trips to her. She also states that she has learned quite a bit about the forest from them, which means she spends a lot of time with them.

Elsa couldn’t help singing as she and the Water Nokk approached Ahtohallan. It was her version of greeting the Mother Spirit embodied in the glacier. Ahtohallan had become like a second home to her over the last two months. Well, not a home, exactly. But a place of peace. Just being there centered her somehow.

Here, Elsa comments that Ahothallan is a place of peace for her, and discredits her initial thought of the glacier as a second home. It seems that Ahtohallan is more akin to a church for her than a home she goes to live in.

#greatqueenanna/responses #Frozen 2 #Elsa #ahtohallan

[greatqueenanna]

Stop posting your crap in the Hans and Helsa tags. No one likes you or your "content" here and we can't stand you. You treat the character like a villain, he isn't one. He's a morally grey character who was abused and traumatized by his family FOR YEARS. He isn't a sociopath, stop throwing around that label on him just because dumfuck Lee said so. You're a dumb sheep, and every time a Hans fan gets bullied and told to commit suicide, it's YOUR fault. Leave us alone, and leave the character alone.

So anyway, my Hans and Sociopathy analysis will probably show up after my Ryder Nattura analysis, stay tuned for both of them.

Can't wait to show off how Hans is a pretty damn cool villain and an interesting character with loads of narrative potential as a future villain or anti-hero! It'll be fun.

Eat some food, drink some water, and relax Anon. It's gonna be ok. Also, here's Santino Fantona's audition for Hans. It's hilarious and a great mood-changer.

#Hans #Prince Hans #greatqueenanna/responses #triggerwarning:suicidemention

[greatqueenanna]

Is there any resemblance between Agnar and Runeard?

I suppose they have the same chin, jaw and eye shape. They also have similar cheek bones. Everything else is fairly different, giving us a bit of room to interpret what he inherited from his mother, Queen Iabandonedmysonformyownhappiness Rita.

#frozen 2 #greatqueenanna/responses #Agnarr #Runeard #King Agnarr #King Runeard

[greatqueenanna]

Your take on Queen Rita? I'm curious 😎

You know how some fans will often say that the writers tend to ignore the fact that Iduna and Agnarr made bad choices? And that the films just have the sisters give their parents nothing but praise? (I mostly disagree, but I get where they’re coming from).

Well, that’s how I feel about Queen Rita. She shows up in two books, Dangerous Secrets and Polar Nights, and in both the authors try to paint her as a wonderful person and mother who was this beautifully tragic figure.

I really don’t agree. At all. I think she was incredibly selfish for abandoning her son and leaving him with a cold father. She literally erased her memories of him so she wouldn’t feel bad about leaving him behind. I literally can’t with this woman.

Wouldn’t it be awesome if she showed up as a villain I’m F3? Kidding, kidding. Mostly.

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