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derseprinceoftbd · 2 months
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Some observations on the meta of Homestuck shipping, with the understanding that I'm not saying any of these ships weren't/aren't around in the old/new eras, just marking their most dominant periods, also Spider8reath was pretty big in the Act 1-5 era, but, as I've said, *very* different, also these aren't meant to match 1-1 in their niches
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corvidaezzz · 10 months
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I present to you: the ultimate OTP.
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I don’t take constructive criticism, I take cash or credit.
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turntechsharkhead · 1 month
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wwhats ur opinion on johndave,, :3
i luv johndave, erinep might be my otp but johndave is fuckin epic 10/10 ship
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rayray-razorblade · 2 months
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sollux lovers are always either EriSollers or AraSollers. No inbetweens. What do you prefer?
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quadrantbot · 11 months
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An explanation on what QUADRANT FEELINGS feel like.
Those with any sorts of quadrant crushes OR those in quadrant relationships tend to feel a few easily identifiable things. 
Any and every member in a troll romance relationship feels some form of pity. 
The base descriptions of troll romance types may lead you to believe otherwise, but it's very easily explainable if you think about a few things.
Trolls (at least in canon) really seem to have only a few "emotions." One being hate, one being pity. That being said, I think any relationship based on pure hatred doesn't exactly have the push and pull required for a short term OR a long term relationship between two trolls. What's going to pull you back to someone you hate? Something deeper than just pure hate, that's what.
But what IS pity? Let us take a look at a few dictionary definitions of pity to break it down. 
"sympathetic or kindly sorrow evoked by the suffering, distress, or misfortune of another, often leading one to give relief or aid or to show mercy"
(dictionary dot com) 
"sympathetic sorrow for one suffering, distressed, or unhappy"
(Merriam Webster)
"a feeling of sadness or sympathy for someone else's unhappiness or difficult situation"
(Cambridge Dictionary)
"a strong feeling of sadness or sympathy for someone or something"
(Britannica Dictionary)
As the basis of all troll relationships are pity, getting a few definitions is best for any description. To put it in the most concise way possible, all of these above definitions are good ways to describe exactly how troll pity feels.
2. Despite pity being the core of all romantic troll relationships, it is often utilized and felt in relatively different ways across all quadrants.
When it comes to flushed romance, (the trolls in this relationship being referred to as matesprits,) pity is often referred to as the main factor. In a way, this is accurate, but it often feels like it's ignoring the major pity aspect in other quadrants. Those who are flushed for each other often feel extreme pity (or even on occasion regular pity) for one another. Flushed relationships are relationships where the pity is very prevalent, but often is less acted on. Flushed relationships feel that pity for one another, but they don't really feel the need to act on it too much. To quote a popular phrase, a good way to describe them would lean on "misery loves company" rather than any action taking place. They feel a sort of passive pity for one another, finding comfort in just knowing that and being together rather than a more active approach. Flushed romance is one of two red quadrants, both of which are based primarily on the positive emotions of all parties. Flushed romance is one of two concupiscient quadrants, those which can often involve sexual feelings, though not always.
Pale romance is the second topic in this, acting quite differently than flushed romance. When it comes to pale partners, (referred to as moirails,) pity also plays a role, though a far more active role. A common misconception about pale romance is that it's not romance, which is false. Pale romance is romance, after all. Those in a pale relationship feel pity much like every other troll relationship, but alongside that pity is a sort of feeling of caring, understanding, and a need to pacify and help their moirail. The support level between two pale partners can vary anywhere from one side being more on the recieving end and one on the giving end to an equal sort of thing on all sides. Unlike the previous relationship discussed, they have a more active pity, showing in their comfort and placating of their moirails. Pale romance is one of two red quadrants, both of which are based primarily on the positive emotions of all parties. Pale romance is one of two conciliatory quadrants, both of which involve some degree of pacifying.
Pitch/caliginous romance, (with a partner in this relationship being referred to as a kismesis,) is a relationship built on primarily hate. It contains the same pity as every other quadrant, but the main characteristic of pitch romance is the shared mutual hate and the mutual respect of both parties. Those who feel pitch feelings for one another tend to have a handful of things they admire about the other party, but that admiration is outweighed by the hatred they have for the other's bad traits. When it comes to caliginous romance, the pity they feel comes from knowing all that their kismesis could be if they were to improve, and being upset that they aren't becoming that on their own. The pity and hatred takes an active role where each party pushes for the other to get better. There's a sort of "get better" thing that goes along with their "I'm better than you" rivalry. They typically tend to push for the other to get better while also trying to be better than each other. Pitch romance is one of two black quadrants, both of which are based primarily on the negative emotions from the majority of parties involved. Pitch romance is one of two concupiscient quadrants, those which can often involve sexual feelings, though not always.
Ashen romance, (with the middleman partner being referred to as their auspistice,) is a relationship that could exist for a few different reasons. At the very core of it, an auspistice feels pity and ashen feelings for the two trolls they're mediating between. Those feeling ashen feelings can be best described as a sort of responsibility they feel to keep the hatred between the two trolls healthy, or, in the case of preventing pitch infidelity, keeping the hatred platonic. This feeling is also considered a type of romance. An auspistice's responsibility for the two parties is something they willingly sign up for, so it's generally not as stressful as one might assume. Auspistices exist to make sure the emotions and actions between the two mediated parties stay at whatever level is best for everyone involved. Ashen is one of two black quadrants, both of which are based primarily on the negative emotions from the majority of parties involved. Ashen romance is one of two conciliatory quadrants, both of which involve some degree of pacifying.
TLDR: BOY READ MY QUADRANT POST BOY
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pulporcelain · 9 months
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don't leave your girl alone at a party, a hot vampire bitch might steal her
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nonbinary-morro · 10 months
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Quadrant-less davekat is fine and all but you know what is really good? When karkat and another troll flirt/do relationship stuff or something but then they actually try and officially get together and define their relationship they ask him what quadrant they're in and his face just falls.
(queue karkat and the other troll figuring out the beauty of blurring the lines/vacillating or even troll x troll quadrantless dating, and them both having to deconstruct their views on the strict systems present on alternia and their own attitudes towards it. it's so good every time)
Anyway have you guys ever heard of "The great empire of HIC"? (Its a rebellion/pirate!au solkat fic that does this SO WELL IM OBSESSED WITH IT)
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rotteneldritchhorror · 9 months
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i just kinda love this one <3 i love ararose so much they deserve the world <3 witchy goth girlfriends (neither of them are girls)
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nekropsii · 1 year
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Hussie is not very good at writing Romantic Relationships.
[This is all Stream of Consciousness. Don't mind the meandering.]
On its own, this is fine, of course. That's a skill that sits squarely within it's own niche, and not every story needs romance in it. The trouble with this is how much the notion of Romantic Shipping is embedded to the story, down to defining its own unique Romance System... More than once.
Relationships are a key Narrative Device in Homestuck's storytelling- everyone is aware of this. The unique focus that Homestuck has on the interpersonal relationships that the cast has with one another is fascinating, and arguably one of, if not the biggest reason(s) why people are so enamored with the story and it's characters to begin with. So, that begs the question... If that's the case, why do the Romantic Relationships kind of suck, and why do so many people act like they don't? Moreover, why do so many people tend to push the blame onto specific pairings, rather than acknowledge that maybe... Hussie just wasn't equipped as a writer to write Romance?
Hussie's work has never been particularly focused on the idea of Romance. I can't think of a single piece of media he's released where that's even anywhere close to being on the table, outside of Homestuck itself. Their work tends towards somewhat High-Concept Fiction, with Lowbrow Surreal Humor tied to (usually Body-based) Horror- comics with a clearly communicable premise. Relationships are never truly the core focus- the premise is, whether that premise has the complexity of Whistles: The Starlight Calliope, or the simplicity of Humanimals. The focus was the absurdity of the story and premise itself. Hussie undeniably knew their niche. He knew what he was good at writing and illustrating, and they banked on it. Noting here that none of this is truly praise; think of it solely as a mild dissection.
The point is, to our knowledge, this would have been new grounds for Hussie, and the fact that it quickly became the heart of the story and the main appeal of the comic was most definitely a tricky transition. Luckily, since most of the audience was- and still is- so obsessed with Shipping, many people were quite willing to overlook the fact that the Romance is underdeveloped at best, and downright tacky at worst. From my scope on things, people tend to target Rosemary (Rose <3 Kanaya) in particular as the prime example of Poor Romance Writing, despite being one of the chief examples of Hussie's best work with Romance. The poorer examples tend to get swept under the rug, or even put on a pedestal, with people's mental image of the pairing far overriding their grip of what is and isn't actually canon- from Roxygen's (Roxy <3 Egbert) near nonexistence, to GamKar's (Gamzee <> Karkat) utter failure, to GamTav's (Gamzee <3 Tavros) existence as a joke.
I feel as if part of the issue is the scale of Homestuck's story. It's a Creation Myth that's saddled with a lot of thickly interwoven, tangled lore. The story is more something like a Power of Friendship kind of deal than a RomDrama. The grandiosity of the end goal makes it so that intensely focusing on the little details of these characters lives and their relationship with one another can be difficult to balance, especially considering the sheer size of the cast... Hussie put far too much on her plate as an indie creator to manage all these threads, even if they were good at writing relationships in the first place.
The real meat lies in the Platonic. Homestuck contains within itself a nice variety of very, very interesting friendships that are all but sorely neglected by the average fan, and it's quite upsetting...
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omgitzlongdennis · 4 months
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sugarfreerooibos · 1 year
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The homestuck fandom does not use vacillation in ships nearly enough. Of course, this is about the Supreme Ship (caliborn<3</<3dirk<3</<3john), but it applies to a bunch of other popular ones, most notably davejadekat. Use! Vacillating! Ships!!!!!! Pls yall im begging
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derseprinceoftbd · 1 month
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horse-hero · 4 months
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made my own homestuck shipping chart :P the squares got filled in bad because I just used MS Paint for this :3
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also uhhh every ship involving Nepeta is automatically my favourite :33<
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turntechsharkhead · 2 months
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32 is an inside joke they have that sollux started
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graelmir · 6 months
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]dirk x so]|ux. is this anything.
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quadrantbot · 11 months
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TO THE VERY BASICS IN QUADRANTS (COMPLETELY CANON IN HOMESTUCK)
Blackrom
PITCH RRLATIONSHIPS ARE BASED ON MUTUAL HATRED
THEY'RE ALSO BASED ON MUTUAL RESPECT
PITCH ROMANCE TAKES THE ADMIRATION FOR THEIR GOOD TRAITS AND THE HATRED FOR THEIR BAD TRAITS AND PUSHES YOU TWO(or more) INTO BETTERING YOURSELVES AND EACH OTHER
Palerom
The initial creation of the pale quadrant WAS intrntuonally made for lowbloods to pacify highbloods, however I believe that as a general society it expands more than that even with our canon examples
Moirails have a mutual caring for each other and much like REDROM, a mutual pity. Redrom tends to be a lot less active in helping with those they pity, moreso just pitying each other rather than the moirails where they pity each other and Activelt try to help each other
Moirails are not platonic I will whack your head right off if you say they are JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A NON CONCUPISCIENT QUADRANT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT ROMANCe ok sorry
Redrom
As I mentioned with palerom redrom is basically the concupiscent and less actively involved pitying quadrant. They tend to act more similarly to a regular human romance but it is EXPLICITLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE HUMAN LOVE AND TROLL PITY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS
Redrom partners tend to have the more basic romance things, but they are also often capable of wallowing in that pity together rather than doing anything about it?
Ashenrom
ASHENROM IS ROMANTIC BETWEEN ALL PARTIES. WELL, MAYBE NOT THE TWO BEING HELPED IN THIS WAY, BUT THE PERSON DOING THE HELPING HAS ROMANTIC FEELINGS FOR BOTH OF THEM. ASHEN FEELINGS.
The difference between ashen and pale tends to be that ashen wants to calm a conflict between two trolls and palerom tends to focus on one individuals feelings over everyone elses
Ashenrom is usually used to prevent pitch infidelity AND is also sometimes used within pitch relationships to prevent it from becoming unhealthy
(Since this description was helpful in one server. Haha!)
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