rewatched detective koshien. sick of gosho for making heiji and hakuba meet once then never bring up hakuba in detco canon again
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“Your face…”
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Spoilers for the ninth Detective Conan OVA, "The Stranger From 10 Years Later."
Realistically, out-of-universe, I know it's little more than fanservice. It's a peek at what a popular recurring character's future could be, a snapshot of how things may turn out for him. But in-universe, I can't help thinking about the implications of 26- or 27-year-old Heiji's short cameo appearance in Shinichi's literal fever dream.
There's an immense level of detail to the entire scenario. The tree in the Kudo yard has grown taller, downtown Tokyo is littered with new buildings and renovated old ones, a high school teacher's face is lined with more wrinkles than he ought to have after a mere "few months." It's a vibrant, breathing world that Shinichi's imagined—one that indicates to me that he's deeply considered the possibility of never returning to his old life. He's walked by his home, in a body so small that he can't even unlock the gate, and thought to himself, "One day, that tree will tower over the fence, but I'll still be stuck as tiny Conan." He's ruminated about it, wondered and speculated and deliberated, how the city around him will change while he hasn't been allowed to, not in the way he wants.
And he's done the same concerning Heiji. And... it's positive. Immensely so.
Interviewer: For today, we'll be interviewing... The famous detective from Naniwa, Hattori Heiji-san! He has brilliantly solved numerous intricate cases and is now recognized all over Japan! He's even opened his own detective agency!
Or, at least, it is at first, anyway. It's quickly revealed that Heiji and Kazuha's relationship hasn't progressed in the slightest, which, while obviously not a particularly favorable outcome for either of them, does say something about Shinichi. Because you could argue that Shinichi envisions Heiji living the life that he himself so desperately desires. You could say that the true purpose of Heiji's appearance in this OVA is to accentuate the future that Shinichi craves but cannot have, not yet and never as himself, where he's the mastermind behind a thriving, well-renowned detective agency, where an interview with him is unquestioningly broadcast on a huge screen overlooking Tokyo streets, where busy passersby stop in place, look up, and listen to what he has to say.
And... where he's also popular with girls.
Heiji is known as "The Lady-Killer of Naniwa" in Shinichi's imagination, and especially early in the manga, Shinichi does explicitly enjoy that kind of attention (File 10, included as File 1 in Volume 2, spells this out directly).
Interviewer: I've heard that the young ladies have a certain nickname for Hattori-san... "The Lady-Killer of Naniwa."
But the fact that Heiji and Kazuha have gotten nowhere points me elsewhere. This isn't an idealized fantasy that Shinichi wishes he could have for himself in the slightest. Ran is his dream. The emotional heart of this special, the dominant, overarching tragedy, is how Conan's overwriting and erasure of Shinichi prevents him from being with his lifelong love. There's no way that Shinichi would ever imagine a "happy end" that's anything like what Heiji and Kazuha have going on in this OVA.
So, what does Shinichi's conception of 26- or 27-year-old Heiji mean? A few things:
Even in this nightmarish "bad end," Shinichi cannot conceive of a life without Heiji, just as he cannot conceive of a life without Ran. It's unthinkable.
Shinichi wholeheartedly believes that Heiji will be wildly successful in his career.
Shinichi wholeheartedly believes that Heiji is so attractive and good-looking that of course he'll be wildly popular with women. Undoubtedly.
tl;dr, Shinichi's thought about Heiji's future, and those thoughts are really essentially, "Yeah, there's no way that my boy Hattori isn't going to have his own fantastic detective agency one day, and also, he's a hunk, so he'll be called 'The Lady-Killer of Naniwa.'"
Seriously.
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Shinichi, Sera, Ran, and Hattori all sneak out for a fun-filled adventure
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I will never think it's not funny that it's implied that Kudou Shinichi is someone serious and professional compared to Hattori Heiji, when in reality he's a showman who has probably committed more B&E's than Katiou Kid.
I wanna know which of them has actually broken the law more. B&E, theft, evidence tampering, assault, etc;
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Violet's death & Mizu's self-hatred.
I don't know if someone already noticed or analyzed this before, but I'm going to talk about it anyway.
As we know, Mizu killed one white "man" before the current events of the show.
It was first mentioned in episode 3, in the meeting with Heiji Shindo.
Mizu confidently says that currently there are 3 white men in Japan, which implies that she was already able to get to one of them.
So from that moment on we are sure she got to kill and get her revenge on one white man, but we don't know anything about how she was able to find them and who they were yet.
This changes at the end of episode 6 though.
When Mizu finally gets to face Fowler in the castle where he was hiding.
After Fowler takes over Mizu, he mentions a certain "Violet", to be precise, he states that "something happened to old Violet" and "was that you?” is the question he asks right after since he understands how dedicated Mizu is to her revenge.
(little note: in other languages Fowler refers to Violet with the “she/her” pronouns)
Thanks to that we know that the white "man" Mizu killed might be a woman, an old white woman named Violet.
Now.
Let's go back to episode 2, before the Four Fangs get to Mizu, she has a strange “vision” of her killing her older self, well at least that’s what I thought at first due to the missing information.
That, in fact, is not a “vision” but a flashback.
A flashback to when Mizu killed Violet.
What we can see is Mizu breaking through what seems to be a house, approaching an old woman sitting on a couch.
Now, the question is, why does she have Mizu’s face?
The answer is quite easy: Mizu’s self-hatred.
Mizu repudiates her white “half”, so deeply that she feels a strong desire to eradicate it from herself.
That leads Mizu to subconsciously switch Violet’s face with her own. As if part of her “impure” blood gets purified whenever she takes away the life of a white man she swore to get revenge on, because they’re actually the ones who made her, in everyone’s and, as a consequence, even in her own eyes, a monster.
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Lastly I want to add that this is just MY theory, what I stated might not be totally correct. (if you think differently I’d love to see your theory in the comments, I’m curious to know what do you think of the “flashback/vision” Mizu had)
Okay soo, this was all. I honestly can’t wait to know more of Mizu’s past in season 2.
See you there.
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Character ages
So, alongside the question of what languages the characters would speak based on context and era, me and my mate were trying to guestimate Fowler's age.
Of all the characters, he has the most to go off of in terms of dates. The nine years war with the Tudors occured between 1593 and 1603. By current theories, memories don't form until age 4 or so. Fowler likely had to have been born at least a little before the war started or in its early days (the famine occurred further into the war ~1602 *not entirely sure though, couldn't find an exact date), which would be in the late 1580s or early 1590s.
The final episode of season 1 apparently occurs in 1657, in accordence with the Great Fire of Meireki in Edo that occured in the same year. Making Fowler either in his late 60s or early 70s.
Doing pretty well for himself at that age. Dude's built like a tank! ^^'
Mizu, Taigen and Akemi are probably a similar age, or at least Mizu and Taigen since they seemed similarly aged in Mizu's flashbacks.
Not sure about Ringo. Seems a similar age too.
Assuming the point in time there would only be four white men in Japan (no more, no less) would be around the time the borders shut, AND also make the assumption that Mizu was born around that same time (a lot of assumptions, I know) then Mizu (and by extension Taigen and Akemi) would be around 24 years old by 1657.
*Edit: In episode 3, Heiji says he's been around Fowler for "20 years". Whether that's exact or rough implies a 20-24 year timeframe between Mizu's birth and 1657, I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if Heiji was immediately in contact with Fowler upon his arrival, or was assigned to him after the fact - hence the discrepency.*
As for Heiji, he's clearly the younger of the Shindo brothers. Going by appearance, probably approaching or at middle age. Not to mention, likely having a mid-life crisis. And like with most mid-life crises, he took up a hobby!
But yeah, Fowler's the only character I have much specific to go off of (i.e. not just appearance and vibes).
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Thinking about the musical instruments in Fowler's castle.
A harp
And a piano.
When Fowler says that he hates painting he also mentions all the other "useless arts" he learned so ig that implies he learned how to play these instruments as well. It'd be interesting tho if Heiji also had an intrest in music. He seems appreciative of art so i like to think he's tried at least one of these instruments. Maybe Fowler plays the piano and Heiji the harp. It'd be fun to see them have a duet =) .
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Ringo: I can't believe you assassinated Heiji Shindo!
Taigen: Well, 'assassinated' implies it was politically motivated. I killed him because he was a dick, so technically I murdered him
Ringo: That's not better!
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Hey bro, I can't wait to read your analyses of the recent files!! And what do you think will come next year?
File 1119-1122 Review
While I am unfortunately disappointed by how the previous Heizuha-confession- build-up cases (File 1113-1118) wasn't continued by another Ōoka/Heizuha build-up case, I thought this Kid-heist-turned-into-murder case was overall a very entertaining standalone case, and surprisingly also the first 4-file case in awhile. It was a very nice way to somewhat incorporate Kudo Shinichi into a case without wasting the spare antidote, by having Kid disguise as him (like he did with Sherry during Mystery train case) with Conan's guidance in order to solve the case. This is the first manga case that we see Kid disguise as Shinichi since the manga confirmation (in File 1018) that events within Movie 3 (like Kid figuring out Conan's true identity) is canon.
It was nice to finally have Hakuba Saguru return after years since his last appearance in the Detective Koshien case (back in Kir arc), and to see him have an indirect meeting with Kudo Shinichi. It was especially exciting to see him come close to not only figuring out that Shinichi is being impersonated by Kid, but also Conan's true connection to Shinichi.
There was great potential for Hakuba's role in the story if he had learned of Conan's true identity and it could have created an interesting rival-dynamic between them, that would be less friendly than Conan's relationship with Heiji (which ironically would be the anime staff's original intention for Heiji when they requested that Gosho introduces a detective rival). Unfortunately, it amounted to only being a mislead and Hakuba only deducing that Conan relayed Shinichi's words through phone to Kid.
While one could still hold out hope that Gosho is playing us further and hiding a future twist that Hakuba only pretended to have not figured it out and decided to protect Conan's secret, it's more likely that Gosho simply decided to properly establish the lines that Hakuba can't cross in DC as a secondary Magic Kaito character and that his involvement in DC will only serve as crossover fanservice rather than anything substantial in the DC story. This is of course disappointing, as he has already made iconic imprints in the DC franchise, and would have gained from getting more spotlight in the DC universe as well (not just MK).
The best part about this case is Shinichi's new affirmations of his feelings for Ran, when they had a cute romantic moment that reasaured Ran that she is still in Shinichi's mind despite avoiding to meet her.
It did its job in resolving some of my yearning for new ShinRan development since them becoming an official couple.
It was interesting to learn how Gosho is further confirming that some movie-only Kid stunts are also canon, seeing as he had Ran point out that Kid has repeatedly disguised as Shinichi, after she figured out his disguise, despite it being the first time in the manga.
This is an interesting implication, because in the already canonized events of Movie 3, Ran never learned that the Shinichi that appeared at the end (to help cover for Conan's identity) was Kid in disguise.
This would mean that Gosho is implying that the Shinichi-disguise stunts in M8, M14, M19 &/or M23 are also semi-canon.
It was only fair of course for Gosho to not tarnish the romantic ShinRan scene in this case by having Hakuba confirm to Ran that it was not meaningless words from Kid, but rather Shinichi's true words.
As for what we can expect from the next case, the official magazine preview for File 1123 was leaked recently that teased that we are getting a Sato-Takagi case combined with the Kanagawa police, which are Chihaya & Juugo (the pair from the recently introduced romance subplot).
It looks like it will basically be a new Juugo-Chihaya romance case with Sato-Takagi developments on the side, and more potential for Hagiwara and Matsuda to come up in flashbacks. It might be a more action-heavy case as well, seeing as it starts off with a car chase in an abduction case, so it's looking to be an exciting case overall. We can only hope that it leads to some main development, like if Gosho incorporates Furuya Rei into the case (in the spirit of the Wild Police gang), and by extension further build on his last requested mission by Falcon Elder to investigate Conan (File 1115)... or even better, continued developments with Rum.
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As far as i know
Names with 次 (means next) are usually given to 2nd sons. First sons tend to be named like Shinichi (新一) does, which include the kanji for one (一).
Heiji is implied to be an only child and yet his name is 平次. Considering the Hattori family seems a tad more traditional this is a bit strange.
Does Heiji actually have an elder brother? Or perhaps Shizuka had a miscarriage and so they named Heiji in a way to remember their unborn child?
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Last Day Again by Phantoms_Echo
Summery: No series summery/ look into the specific parts for the individual Summeries
Fandom: Detective Conan; Magic Kaito
Relationship/-s: pre-Kudou Shinichi | Edogawa Conan/Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid; Kudou Shinichi | Edogawa Conan/Kuroba Kaito | Kaitou Kid
Characters: Kuruba Kaito | Kaitou Kid; Kudou Shinichi | Edogawa Conan; Kaitou Kid task force; Nakamori Aoko; Hakuba Suguru; Nakamori Ginzou; Koizumi Akako; Haibara Ai; Original Male Character (small part); Black Organisation (as a character); Mouri Ran; Vermouth (Meitantei Conan); Jodie Starling; Akai Shuichi; Amoru Tooru | Furuya Rei; Vodka (Meitantei Conan); Hidemi Hondou | Kir | Mizunashi Rena; Suzuki Sonoko; Hattori Heiji; Satou Miwako; Takagi Wataru; Kudou Yuusaku; Kudou Yukiko; Kuroba Chikage; Shounen Tantei-dan; Yoshida Ayumi; Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko; Kojima Genta
Tags: Major Character Death; No Archive Warnings apply; Graphic descriptions of violence; Alternate Universe - Magic; Does it count as AU if Akako is a sorceress?; Time Loop; Desperate Kaito; Suicidal Thoughts; Suicide; But with Time Loop; he lives; Kaito needs a hug; Badly; Don't go touching magical stones!; No Smut; Series; Author's sure she's forgetting tags; but she can't think of anything else; Conan doesn't play significant role in this one; but will play major role in following updates; Author knew she was forgetting something; Alternate Universe - Time Loop; Kaito is not stalking Conan; He's just following him to find out where he lives and what he does during the day; Kaito is slowly going insane; Apotoxin 4869; Haibara and Kaito make a deal; Kaito is a one man army against the Black Organization; Kaito really needs a hug; Canon-Typical Violence; Non-typical Kaito Violence; I mentioned he's slowly going insane right?; Cause he definitely is; Mentions of Attempted Suicide; Human Experimentation; Accidental Murder; lots of death; Insanity; Kaito's going insane; We're along for the ride; Shinichi gives him one; Antidote for APTX; Conan becomes Shinichi; Graphic Description; Implied/Referenced Suicide; Kaito went insane; Kaito and Shinichi - a two man army against the Black Organization; Time Loop Ends; Ending arc; Happy Ending; The closest I will ever get to Smut; The feels!; Author is super proud of herself for finishing this; Shinichi's POV; Kaito's gone insane; He needs some Shinichi hugs; Shinichi decides to give them to him; Drama; Mentions of Suicide; Suicide Attempts; Kaito's fine though; That's the power of Time Loops for you; Time Loop Break; Aftermath of Time Loop; Recovery; Kaito gets the hugs he wanted; Shinichi and Kaito being fluffy dorks; Shounen Tantei-dan is not someone you want to get interrogated by; Smart Mitsuhiko; Angry Hattori; Author is finally done with the series; At least author hopes so...; Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSDFrom Time Loop (specific kind of trauma)
Rating: Teen and up
Status: Finished
Words: 40.713
Parts: 6
Please note that this is a series and that not all Tags go for every part!!!
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I do find it funny that Heiji assumed that his cover had long since been blown because Shinichi is absolutely terrible at passing for a normal child.
Unfortunately, a lot of people conspired to keep Ran from fully realizing it by effectively gaslighting her and lying to her face.
Honestly, at Chapter 138/139 Ran had already figured it out, and it was just Shinichi's mother appearing and lying to her that Ran kinda stopped for now, although it was heavily implied that she didn't buy this, but I think the manga just leaves it at that.
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👨❤️💋👨Hey all, and welcome to my bestie bonanza(Young Justice, DC Comics, Dragon Ball Z, Hunter x Hunter, and Detective Conan)! I have a serious hankering for some best friend ships and I'd love to find a partner that loves dynamic duos just as much as I do! It'd be super appreciated if you were 21+, patient with reply times, and had an inclination towards being a more descriptive writer! 🍪Doesn't have to be included, however, it is heavily implied for quite a few of these! And before it comes up, please no bottom or sub only roleplayers! My top fatigue is unreal right now, and I'm tired of always having to carry stories despite promises of equal effort. I'll gladly write with switches and tops, just be aware that most of my muses tend to be assertive and enjoy a challenge. On to the bestie duos...
Wally West x Dick Grayson - I'm primarily looking for Young Justice verse, and I'd absolutely kill for an opportunity to write a crossdressing for justice plot wherein Wally unknowingly stumbles upon Dick in the midst of an undercover mission. Whether he realizes this is Dick or not is entirely up to you, and to be clear, I'm interested in writing as Dick.
Jonathan Kent x Damian Wayne - Anything with omegaverse is a yes, but please note I'm looking to write Damian as an omega or a broken alpha(I'll be glad to elaborate in DMs) with a very slight preference for writing him as a broken alpha. I don't care what Jon's caste is. I'm also interested in mythological AUs(ex. Damian is intended to be a human sacrifice for Jon who is a local deity). Another note, but Damian is likely to be the most aggressive, assertive, dominant, or whatever you want to call it, muse on this list. He's more than happy to take advantage of what he presumes to be a naive Jon for his personal benefit.
Trunks Briefs x Goten Son - Anything with omegaverse is a yes, but please note I'm exclusively looking to write Goten as an omega. I'd also love to write them stuck together on a space expedition. Maybe in a smaller, one bedroom model ship with limited resources and understanding on how to navigate despite Trunks' initial confidence.
Gon Freecs x Killua Zoldyck - I'd love to write Killua opposite of a feral boy Gon, perhaps even nonverbal if you believe you can pull it off. I'm honestly open to any kind of AU with these two. Wolfboy!Gon x Hunter!Killua. A roommates AU where Killua naively believes that Gon is far too stupid or innocent to realize that he cams for his half of the rent, only to realize he's been a viewer this entire time. Rich boy and country bumpkin dynamics!
Heiji Hattori x Shinichi Kudo - So, because this is such a rare ship, I'm open to playing either character. I'm not looking to write against Conan, so ideally, he'll have either regained access to his real body or never lost it in the first place. I'm thinking something geared towards a complex mystery that results in them either having to share close quarters over an extended period of time, or them being trapped together for an extended period of time. Fuck or Die situations are strongly encouraged.
Leave a like, and anon will get back to you!
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Shinichi's Perfect Rival?
spoilers for Chapters 350-354 (Episodes 266-268), and very minor spoilers for Chapters 981-983 (Episodes 885-886) and 1039-1042 (Episodes 1024-1025)
There are many potential rivals to Kudo Shinichi in the Detective Conan universe. First, there's Hattori Heiji, the "Great Detective of the West" to Kudo's "Great Detective of the East". There's Kaito KID, who's the modern-day Lupin to Kudo's modern-day Holmes. But of all of the characters, there is one person who would be an even better rival than Heiji or KID. Someone who mirrors Shinichi as a detective, while also being morally at odds with him. That someone... is Ooka Momiji. Yes, the rich girl from Kyoto. Let me explain.
Okay, let’s start with the first piece of the puzzle: Momiji’s detective skills. In one case, she is implied to have come to the right conclusion before Shinichi, Heiji, and Rei while not even being in the same city as them.
Neither Shinichi or Heiji has shown much ability to solve cases without being present at the crime scene itself. The best comparison I could make to Momiji's feat would be the time when Kudo Yusaku was reading the newspaper on a murder and figured out the solution to a case.
This isn't the only time when Momiji demonstrates her detective prowess, though. It's just the most clear. Another time, she gives a hint in the middle of a sentence which gives Heiji and Shinichi the needed information to solve the case.
This is the case where the code is solved by 'adding' and 'subtracting' different parts. Now, this leaves a lot up to interpretation, and I definitely didn't see this scene as Momiji being a really good detective when I first watched it, but if you really think about it, there was no reason for her to say "add" and "subtract". She could have just as easily said "The restaurant should make the food cheaper since the lines are so long." Which, now that I'm thinking about it, makes zero sense since that would only increase demand and make the lines even longer. So, my guess is that she was looking for a time to smoothly give the "add" and "subtract" hint, and found the perfect opportunity to say it.
(She did act surprised when they came up with the answer, but I'm just pegging that up to excellent acting. Wait, is she both of Shinichi's parents at the same time?)
Now, if Momiji solved the code before even talking to Heiji and Shinichi, that leaves a big plot hole. Specifically, why doesn't she just... go to the area herself (where she knew the guy was supposed to be) and potentially stop a murder from happening?
Well, the answer is actually very simple. Momiji is a brat who cares more about marrying Heiji than the life of an innocent person.
In the cases she appeared in she showed little to no interest in solving the case, instead usually pursuing Heiji. Even in the Cafe Poirot case, her motive is purely to 'help Heiji'. Despite being brilliant at it, she just does detective work whenever she feels like it. Also kinda like Yusaku, now that I think of it.
Anyways, I’m getting sidetracked. Let’s talk about Shinichi’s beliefs. Shinichi, unlike Momiji, actively pursues justice, that being the main reason he fights against the Black Organization for the same reasons. His moral compass even guides him to save the lives of people who attempt to kill others, just because he sees that the life of a person - any person - matters, even going out to say:
So, you have a detective who pursues justice and values his moral compass, and a detective who completely acts in her own self-interest. Seems like a perfect basis for a potent rivalry.
Now, why does it have to be Momiji? Why not his father, Yusaku, since he holds a lot of similar traits and has a closer connection with Shinichi already? Well, Yusaku is Shinichi’s superior, and Momiji is his peer. Shinichi might begrudgingly accept the fact that Yusaku is better than him and doesn't pursue the truth, but he most certainly would not accept Momiji being either of those things. And Momiji, who expects respect from others, would react very poorly to this.
If Momiji learns about Shinichi’s secret identity as Conan, she might blackmail him to be supportive of her advances on Heiji or something, causing him to hate her even more. As is, Shinichi would be poised to see her as a disdainful rival, but might try to blackmail her back to have her help him hide his identity.
However, putting Momiji at odds with Shinichi would do more than create tension against each other. It could easily give Momiji some more character dynamics. Currently, her only real dynamic is the love triangle with Heiji and Kazuha, but if she was rivals with Shinichi she would be able to have more interesting relationships with Shinichi, Ran (if she sees the rivalry happening), maybe even Heiji and Iori. And character dynamics lead to character growth. Spending more time with Shinichi could let her mature and become less selfish and spoiled.
For Shinichi, he gets a rival that is also a detective, but also ideologically opposes him for more than five seconds (Heiji, I love you, but you moved away from rivals to friends with Shinichi... very quickly.) And this conflict with Momiji can make Shinichi rise to become a better detective, and could give him a new ally that could help with the takedown of the Black Organization.
Who knows, maybe they develop into friends after a long time. Maybe they never develop a respect for each other. Either way, I believe that Momiji would be the perfect rival for Shinichi: they are both very skilled detectives (and if I had to give one an edge I'd give it to Momiji), but they have different priorities and goals which cause them to butt heads.
So... I hope you enjoyed reading this essay as much as I enjoyed writing it, and have an amazing rest of your day.
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