TW: Discussions of incest within Warrior Cats.
I’m SO sorry if I unintentionally cause toxic drama and/or discourse within the fandom by making this confession. But-
I honestly dislike that they’re some parts of the wc fandom that (highly) excuse, and/or possibly even justify the amount and/or portrayal of INCEST within warrior cats.
They’re quite a couple bunch of relationships with incest in warrior cats, including:
Sparkpelt and Larksong: They are third cousins.
Heathertail and Breezepelt: They are second cousins
Lilyheart and Snowbush: They are first cousins and are foster siblings within the series.
Hawking and Pebbleshine: They are first cousins.
Due to the fact that Cherrytail - Hawkwing’s mom - and Sparrowpelt - Pebbleshine’s father - are siblings, which is expressed to be true within the super edition Firestar’s Quest.
And Ivypool and Fernsong: They are second cousins.
This pairing feels quite a bit more irritating and/or icky to me, due to the fact that THE main prophecy within OoTs centers around the fact that Dovewing, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather being related to eachother within the series.
With Ivypool being SISTERS with Dovewing, and how that and Dovewing being within the prophecy MAJORLY affect Ivypool’s character and/or Arc, and with Lionblaze being Fernsong FATHER.
So the fact that they’re together despite the fact that they’re directly related to cats whose bloodline being connected is a rather major part of the center plot of the fourth arc…I suppose kind of adds a bit of salt to the wound.
They’re probably a few other incest relationships within the series as well, but I decided to chose these five relationships specifically, due to the fact they play a bit of a major part in the series and/or are that closely related to each other.
Of course, I do understand why people ship these cats together, regardless of their….close relations to one another.
I get why people ship Fernsong and Ivypool, because of how cute and/or wholesome it may be.
I get why people ship Sparkpelt and Larksong, due to them probably having a sweet relationship that has a rather tragic end, due to Larksong’s death.
I get why people ship Hawkwing and Pebbleshine, due to the fact that their relationship plays quite an important part within Hawkwing’s life in his super edition.
I get why people ship Breezepelt and Heathertail, due to the fact that they like their relationship in Crowfeather’s Trial.
And I get why people may ship Lilyheart and Snowbush, due to the fact that they’re background characters, so people may gave forgotten and/or not pay very much attention to them (and the fact that they’re related).
And I do understand that the Erins pairing cats who are related to each other is COMPLETELY (or at the very least, the majority of the time) unintentional on their part, especially since there’s a shitload of family trees within warrior cats that need to be tracked and/or looked at before making pairing characters together.
But while this is true, it does NOT excuse the fact that these characters, are, indeed, CANONICALLY related, regardless if the authors pairing cats that are RELATED to each other is intentional on their part or not.
I suppose if people do decide to ship these characters together within the series, they should NOT excuse and/or justify the fact that they’re related to each other, and acknowledge that their ship is, indeed, quite problematic because of the incest in it, regardless if it’s intentional by the authors or not.
Also, the authors probably unintentionally writing relationships with incest within the series does NOT excuse the fact that incest is indeed, a reoccurring and possibly even normalized icky and problematic part within Warrior Cats.
Some people may say:
“But they’re cats!”
These characters are mentally anthropomorphic characters within the series that having human thoughts, emotions, behaviors, and beliefs, as well as their own complex rankings, laws, structures, and religion. An author of the series literally called the characters something similar to “little furry humans with paws”.
Or say:
“But the characters don’t care about it.”
Or even:
“The number 1. part of the code encourages cats to NOT mate with cats of other clans, so technically all of them are related, so it’s ok!”
Um, no, it’s freaking NOT? The fact that these characters live in a society and/or with a code that probably results in the MAJORITY of the characters within the clans related to each other in some shape or form, makes the problem of incest within the series even WROSER.
Because of the fact that underneath the surface, this part and/or problem in the books results in the problem within the series to be quite NORMALIZED within the books, regardless if it’s unintentional by the authors or not.
If you write a series with multiple family trees, and want to pair certain characters together, you should make sure to put quality care and/or time check if they’re (closely) related to each other in any way before making them become lovers within the series.
Which is something that the authors unfortunately didn’t do, possibly because they’re, well…the Erins, who at times don’t put much care and/or research into certain things they’re writing within the series *cough*Shadowsight’s medical treatment of his seizures*cough*-
Or - more likely so - they weren’t physically and/or mentally able to keep track of the amount of family trees that they created and/or developed.
And while this does explain the problem of incest within the series, it does NOT excuse and/or justify it at all, whatsoever.
I’m SO sorry if it didn’t word this rant properly and that there’s some typos and/or spelling errors within this confession, this took me around hour or more to type into here.
I’m also sorry if I’m yapping too much about this and/or possibly maybe even making this problem look bigger than it actually is, this a something that’s been on my mind for a bit so I wanted to make a rant about it.
If people want to debate the information within this confession, please do your best to communicate about in a hopefully educational and/or civil manner.
I know that maybe hard for some people, considering the subject matter within this confession and there possibly being some toxicity within the fandom, but if you do debate about this confession in this manner, you’re message will probably be more heard or at least tolerated by people who maybe hesitant and/or critical of your point of view.
Thank you so much for taking your time to read this very long rant I made.
Sources from the Warrior Cats wiki:
Sparkpelt’s Family Tree. (Lilyheart and Snowbush, Sparkpelt’s second cousins, are Larksong’s parents): https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Sparkpelt/Family
Heathertail’s Wiki Page (See “Kin”): https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Heathertail?so=search
Snowbush’s Family Tree: https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Snowbush/Family
Hawkwing’s Family Tree: https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Hawkwing/Family
Ivypool’s Family Tree: https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Ivypool/Family
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Time to be a bitter bitch and roast some iterator ships, i AM the fun police /jjJJJ
Sunstone, SRS/FP: the only one that makes a lot of sense in my opinion, but somehow their portrayal in fanon is absolute garbage so 2/10 (i personally consider them to be a 10 but i am judging the fanon versions). Pebbles is made into a helpless spineless baby and Suns just takes care of him idk what else to say. Their dynamic is heavily misunderstood often portraying them straight up as mentor/protege when in reality they're just not that
Trafficlights, NSH/SRS: very boring and plain, NSH is either a daddy dom or a cutesy little clown guy, both interpretations suck, while Suns is left with zero of their traits displayed in canon other than being anxious i guess, they're weirdly regal and arrogant in a lot of interpretations. Also largely yaoi-ified 0/10
Ragequit, NSH/FP: NSH doesn't like Pebbles and seemingly has little to no interest talking to him, on top of that likely based his entire perception of him on what Moon had to say about Pebbles. Pebbles is made into some tsundere tiny twink that blushes constantly and this is very common problem with his interpretations in general you guys can't understand him to save your life 0/10
Triple divorce or whatever the fuck SRS/FP/NSH is called: one heck of a dysfunctional polycule, considering that Sig and Pebbles straight up just don't like each other 0/10 Ragequit, trafficlights and sustone made shittier basically
Lilypad, NSH/LTTM: might be idk, i personally don't view their relationship as particularly romantic. Since I think they're good friends i give it a 6/10 even though them not being romantically involved with each other is much more appealing to me
Milkshake, UI/FP: how do you even come up with this did you play the game. Innocence was not helping Pebbles in the slightest by blackmailing the guy and the fact that Wind mentions that its likely an attempt to be mean says plenty. Although not much is known about Innocence it's safe to assume they do not like Pebbles or have any intentions to help him out. The yandere UI fandom stuff is ridiculous 0/10
Moonstone, LTTM/FP: im not into incest 0/10
Eclipse, SRS/LTTM: only exists because of a somewhat cool name
Pebbles/Straw: another nothing burger ship entirely dependant on one's characterization of Straw, not ranking it
Conclusion: 90% of the tumblr rw community needs to play the game
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