#the solarmoon debate

[tsams-confessions]

Since people are beginning to invalidate other people's points if said people are aroace, I feel like I need to start this with: I'm saying this as someone who's gay and into shipping, and very gay for Solar. Going to the tag "#tsams solar" on the day of his death episode and the following days afterwards, and most that I saw were "this post contains filtered content/tag" because I blocked the ships he's involved in and people who only make tsams shipping content. Most of the posts during those days were ship posts on HIS OWN CHARACTER TAG ffs. Instead of seeing some angsty art or short fics centering Solar's death and the mourning of the celestial family or just general posts from people being sad about Solar's death, it's people making Solar's death about their ships. It's like while normal people saw Solar's death in that episode, the shippers can only see "ship, ship, omg, (insert character that Solar is shipped with) is so sad now, ship". They be sounding like those mine birds from Finding Nemo. It's as if they don't care about Solar's character unless they can ship him with someone. He's just a "character to ship with" for them, and it's annoying as hell. Take off your shipping glasses once in a while, yeah? A lot of people already hate shippers in general and yall be perpetuating the stereotype that we only watch/read something for ships, and that we're illiterate to the rest of the story/plot.

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[garbagechocolate]

Wait you don't like SolarMoon? I thought you do because you're friends with witchysolfan :( thought another big artist would be on our side

?? I'm not friends with them

Also I have stated before that I do not ship SolarMoon. It was just "eh not for me" at first but after multiple videos of Solar stating his role as a family member I just. Mm.. cause like- let me use Undertale as a example. Many people ship sanscest because they're from different universes even though they're the same person. But no one would ship a sans and a Papyrus together EVEN IF they're from different aus. That's what Solarmoon is like to me.

Also Also I don't like that Moon is in the ship. This was also the case for Stargolf in TSAMS. I didn't like how many people were shipping it despite Moon saying that he was AroAce. And frankly, I'm still disappointed that one of the rare AroAce representations was a horrible person + he died. Keeping the aroace rep for new moon would be extremely important to the aspec community and I'd honestly be really upset if it wasn't.

#trashlate #tsams #the sun and moon show #sun and moon show #ask #anon #ramble #rambles #textpost #text post #solarmoon is wrong for me in many ways but thay doesn't mean you should harass people who like it #the solarmoon debate

[snowe-zolynn-rogers]

u said you dont ship solarmoon but you call solar and moon jacks parents in your posts

Yeah, I don't ship it myself (in canon at least, but I can see its merit as a ship or a QPR in AUs, like I said last time). But I think it's funny to joke about Jack seeing Solar and Moon as his parents, since they both did contribute to Jack's creation (Solar with making Jack and Moon with giving Solar the idea to make Jack).

#sun and moon show #sams #five nights at freddy's #fnaf #fnaf solar #fnaf moon #solarmoon #the solarmoon debate #snoweyanswers #anon #don't ship it it's just a funny dynamic in my head to have jack call them his parents

[vectorisheree]

Honestly, you don’t deserves to have *those* shippers coming after you for wanting to draw Solar and Moon as family. You do you, ok? ^^

Ahh seeing a notification in my inbox right after that reblog (linking for context) was terrifying so sorry for not responding right away ^^' but thank you!! ^^

Also, mb if it came off as me saying that I've gotten those anons in my inbox, I have not received any messages of the sort as of writing this (Edit: scratch that, I have received them jkasdjasdj) . It's just that I've seen an increase in people talking about it happening to them which is absolutly terrifing and does not help with how anxious I already feel.

And, for the record (bc ik some shippers will see this post), I don't ship SolarMoon bc I see them as brothers amongst other things so I just don't really like it personally but I also don't really care if you do as long as you leave people with different views to you alone and stay in your own spaces. The fact that there are people who threaten and apparently send gore to people for having different views to them and that they could literally be anyone is horrifying and fucking disgusting.

But tbh, I've accepted the likely hood of it happening as my account continues to grow so I don't feel as anxious as I had in the past couple of weeks and I am so sorry if this comes off as a woe is me post, I just can't really articulate myself any better than this

#answered ask #vectext #the solarmoon debate #solarmoon debate #long post #vent #<---not really but they're for filtering

[fyrerainy]

I know there's this whole debate about Solarmoon being incestuous, and about if they saw each other as family or not.. but I feel like it doesn't really matter?? Like, romantic or not, they had a special bond and I think that's all that matters, right?

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[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

See... I didn't even say I have a problem with SolarMoon. I literally said "I don't care what y'all ship" At least do not add words in my mouth. I couldn't careless about shipping in this show that's main thing for so long is about family. You and your friends quickly became defensive when I am not even accusing you of incest shipping. I WASN'T accusing you of that nor am I trying to "GOTCHA" you. Reread my message if you have to. Being quickly defensive and assuming I'm trying to get a moral high ground when the point of my first message doesn't even involve SolarMoon, you immediately reduce me to some kind of malicious dumb hater of the ship that, again, I didn't even mention nor express hatred towards.

The point of my previous message was, Earth said in that ranking video when Lunar immediately placed Solar on the sibling rank "Does he count as sibling? He's, he's a cousin" I GET IT, that they are not bio-related and Earth likes to give a title to people she holds dear, and that she's not making/using a family tree. If Earth sees him as a cousin, what's wrong with that? Why not let her label him as a cousin to her, instead of going "No, no one in the celestial siblings views him as a cousin" when clearly Earth does. She wouldn't give him a familial title if she doesn't see him as that familial title. That's my point and I'm sorry that it wasn't clear in my first message. And I probably missed the video where Earth apologized to Solar for giving him the cousin title and Solar showing discomfort for it. I didn't see that happening in any episodes so far as I am rewatching. All I've watched is Solar saying that "it doesn't roll off the tongue"

Okay. I debated wether to reply to this, but I think I will.

I will be fully honest with upmost transparency.

I understand where you are coming from.

Truly I do.

But at the same time. Someone coming to my askbox and accusing me of spreading lies is an accusation I don't take lightly.

And if you read like 20 plus bad faith attacking Anon messages in the past month.... That wears mentally on you. So when one person comes with general confusion toward the mater, when it looks like the same asks that are designed to trap me, and especially when they're on Anon, you would be a little defensive and use the ask as a talking point for other things.

So I do apologize if my initial response came out as aggressive or defensive.

The whole "cousin as a joke" thing is very up to interpretation of this whole thing.

Is Solar saying he's a cousin cus he thinks it easier, or if he really sees himself as one?

If he does? If he's a robot, can't he change his mind?

Probably.

Can Solar still be considered a member of the family?

Also yeah.

I've had "cousins" who were friends of the family, who I wasn't biology related to in any way. They were just the daughters and sons of my parents friends in college.

So theoretically, if we ever developed feelings I think my parents would be supportive. Because that's the "cousin-friend" and not the "bio-cousin"

Same thing as having a mom or dad friend in the group.

And is there anything inherently wrong with viewing Solar as a cousin? Or strictly related?

No. Absolutely not.

If you view them strictly as family, that is Your interpretation and by all means, I won't take that away from you.

But I personally don't view Solar as related. He is still a close family friend and member of the family without being those things.

I shipped Solarmoon since Summer of 2023. I only very recently as of this year been vocal about it with mixed reception.

And I know SolarMoon will not happen. I don't want it to. And I know the show is about family bonds. And I know thats the VAs for a fact do not care about this.

At all.

It's just a funny little thing I speculate about for fun.

Especially when it comes to things that happen in the show, I just use it as a spring board for speculation and fun headcanons. So when I say "I ship them as Au" it literally means "the cousin label was never given to him in the first place, or he used it as an excuse and changed his mind later."

Which, is a thing.

Cause again.

They're robots.

#shipping discourse #not going to the main tag #im tired #danachan's replies #danachan's asks

[baa-whatever]

I don’t like the ship, but the other anons kinda right in a way you make it hard to block posts about solarmoon that I don’t want to see when you complain about it in the main tags and don’t even tag it with “the solarmoon debate” like the confessions blog does

I mean....I can tag it as something else? Not sure what since I didn't even know that's a thing. I don't even know what confession blog you mean there's a bunch of them.

Either way, nothing to debate on it since the creators already made it clear they don't ship it which is understandable.

I could probably tag it as "No Solarmoon sams" or something.

#Anon #No Solarmoon sams

[asmodeus-682]

The main Solarmoon shippers are literally aroace. Aroace people can in fact be in relationships because its a spectrum and qpr relationships exist, if they want to interpret Moon's aroaceness like that I don't see a problem. And they have explained multiple times how they are not viewing them as siblings while the ship them, but everyone is treating them on the same level as people who ACTUALLY happily ship characters they're interpreting as siblings at the same time together which is not okay.

I'm well aware that aroace people can be in relationships and that qpr relationships exist, my interpretation of Castor x Lunar is for the most part qpr.

What I'm getting at with the Solar x M9in debate is that these artists are not tagging their art as an AU which makes people see it as proship art. Considering the main cast of TSAMS and TLAES do in fact see each other as family, it makes a lot of fans feel put off seeing art of these characters in romantic situations with the TSAMS tags.

[tsams-confessions]

No one ever ships solarmoon by making Solar also aspec. They always just either erase Moon's identity or make him an aspec who wants to have sex. But they never bother to also have Solar be aspec and explore aspec relationships. Funny how that works.

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[tsams-confessions]

Is it just me or is it really weird that people are still shipping Solar and Moon together when after Solar died the show has been really hammering it in that he was their genuine cousin? Hell the characters even went as far as to say he was like their BROTHER. I'm just really confused on why this is still a debate. If Lunar can be adopted why can't Solar? Am I missing something?

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[tsams-confessions]

Those SolarMoon anons who harassed me and other artists have been really quiet since Moon confirmed that Solar was a brother to him, plus Earth wanting to call Solar her brother. That, or maybe I've just blocked every single one of them. Am I still mad for getting harassed for literally just drawing canon family dynamic? Yes I am. I lost sleep due to panic attacks thanks to them. I don't know if they did this to other artists as well but they sent me gore images using a throwaway account when I turned anon off. I didn't think they would go that far. It's crazy that they just got away with this. No apology or anything. Oh yeah, thanks (/s) to those blogs who kept saying the misinformation, "Solar is just a family friend that they call cousin", is canon. Those anons took that and ran with it, even citing you guys as their source, and used it as ammunition to harass us more. You guys are at fault here as well. Maybe stop spreading misinformation and labelling it as canon all for the sake of your ship, especially when you have a lot of people following you. Yes I'm aware that I'm being petty but I deserve to be for the shit I went through for simply *checks notes* drawing canon celestial family.

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[tsams-confessions]

Hey to the previous anon a while ago talking about why Lunar can be seen as an adoptive sibling vs solar its something I've been observing from behind the tsams fandom gate for a while but it's literally because Lunar is short

If that man was the same size as solar he would probably put into those ships as well as the fact that Lunar isn't from an alternate universe so its easier in people's mind to think it's okay because Solar is from an alternate universe and the good version of Eclipse.

So unfortunately it's a lot factors that come into play (ex's: aphobia, Lunar being infantalized, possible incest with some content I've unfortunately seen, etc) that has been brewing in the tsams fandom a lot. Im personally sad that solar isn't seen as a family member a lot because he honestly deserved to be happy and his character/lore often gets demolished for him to just be "a shipping character" when he's so much more than that :(

I could ramble on so much about Solar and the fact that his og Moon was abusive to him and escaping into a somewhat more healthy family role dynamic after losing the only person that treated him like a brother(his og sun) and just how to handle grief while having a new support system

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[garbagechocolate]

I mean, this is the internet, the straight characters are going to be drawn and written having gay relationships, the AroAce characters are going to do the same by giving them a very active romantic life, and none of that should matter because this is content MADE by fans, It's not Canon. I think we would all be more at peace if those who enjoy making content about Moon having a partner didn't impose the idea on others or try to justify it. Suffice it to say that this is an AU. Do not waste time or effort trying to convince others that the idea is better than the original, will not succeed.

LIKEWISE, it is just as important that those who DO NOT like couples content simply IGNORE or block the blogs that produce it. Because going to artists' or writers' publications just to make them feel bad because they like a ship is not cool.

This is internet dude, if you're sad because there isn't enough material of Moon being an AroAce, do it yourselves. Defend the canon you like by making content and not crying bothering those who make contrary content

(Waddles in) I was just explaining why I don't like solarmoon. It's not a very big deal. But also, excusing everything with "but it's the internet" is stupid. Added on, the Aspec community has every right to be upset about people shipping moon for the sake of shipping moon. If a character was confirmed to be YOHR sexuality, but people around you disregarded it or used the excuse that it's a spectrum to ship how THEY want to, it's just. Bad. Like you COULD ship them, but if you're going to do that while keeping that they're aroace I'd expect you to handle it while acknowledging that at many times, aro people just don't fall head over heels in love. If anything it takes time. Or sometimes we do, but the feeling dies off when it's reciprocated. The problem comes with the fact that they do not acknowledge it at all and that they ignore it.

Also. I'm not crying or whining about it. I never EVER liked Solarmoon but I've never made much of a big deal out of it. The most was making a post on Twitter saying if you ship solarmoon I'll probably be unfollowing? I understand that shipping discourse between these two robots is so, so weird, but it doesn't change the fact that I personally feel very uncomfortable around it because it seems like incest to me.

I already have the Solarmoon tag blocked and I was explaining to the other anon why I don't like the ship. That's all <3 I also have. Thoughts. About the first thing you said and characters being hc different sexualities but that's a topic for another day.

#trashlate #ask #anon #textpost #text post #rambles #ramble #anyway i'm not a fan of you coming in and acting like I can being vindicative. #don't do that again that was mean and unwarranted #tsams #the sun and moon show #sun and moon show #the solarmoon debate

[tsams-confessions]

Please stop underestimating the influence of people with big followings on others. Look at just how many are shoving it down on others', especially on repulsed aroace people's, throats that Moon's "I don't swing that way" comment is a joke and it doesn't mean he's still aroace ALL BECAUSE someone with a big following said so. Don't even get me started on the whole "Solar is not their cousin. He's a friend that they call family. He hates being their cousin and hates being actually part of their family" that people keep parroting because a person with a big following said it's "actually" how Solar feels. As if Solar didn't choose to be their cousin. He literally chose it himself, what are you missing? As if Solar didn't admit himself that he moved in to have a better form of family. I swear, if someone says "Umm actually, I don't see anyone pushing those" Just because YOU don't see it happening doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The anons who are harassing artists who draw celestial family art with Solar is a prime example of this sort of hive mind. They literally admitted to using the words of someone with a big following like it's the word of god, that anything that person said is canon. I'm tired of these people getting away with this shit. Two of my friends have not been sharing anything relating to Solar for days in fear of those anons coming back for them AGAIN. One of the anons had the guts to make a throwaway account just to send explicitly sexual arts of solarmoon to one of my friends, who is ace, to, and I quote, "get it in your head that they're not family" And then instead of empathy, people told my friends that by making celestial family art/fics that includes Solar, they are "siding" with people who hate the ship, basically blaming them for getting harassed to begin with. WHAT? My friends and I never engaged with the shipping side of ANY fandom because crazy things like this happens. We mind our own business and never say anything about any ships. But SOMEHOW blissfully making arts/fics of a familial dynamic we really like and sharing it with people who also like the same thing makes us complacent to people who hate the ship... MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

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[tsams-confessions]

I'm honestly tired of the extra aggressive sippers at this point,you know who you are and you need to calm down. I've reached a limit with them because someone who I follow, who mind you is a minor, got an anonymous ask starting with "You are not safe" and it was about the fact that they don't like a certain ship. They posted that they did not feel safe anymore and have turned off anonymous. Can we fucking not send an underage person threats because they don't like a ship? Grow up all of you, you lot are the reason this Fandom is going to hell in a hand basket

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[tsams-confessions]

Friends, accept it, shippers are never going to respect canon because they simply don't care, neither adoptive familial relationships like Moon and Solar, nor characters hating each other to the point of abuse and trauma as is the case with Sun and Eclipse. They just don't care, and I personally wouldn't care about that either, if it weren't for the fact that they DON'T TAG the content so those of us who use blocking # can avoid them.

If I'm accusing you, you're too lazy or irresponsible to tag your work correctly. You are the problem.

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