#jon finds out about arya/gendry

[esther-dot]

Sansa's Sworn Shield 3k by @kittykatknits

“You could play come into my castle with her, she likes that game,” Rickon offered helpfully. Jon desperately wants an evening alone with his wife. Unfortunately, Rickon is determined to protect his dear sister from Jon's less than honorable intentions. Challenged to yet another duel, and running out of champions, Jon decides to find another way to solve his problems so he can finally come into Sansa's castle.

The pursuit of non-bath time happiness 3k by @captainbee89

After Jon refuses Gendry's ask for Arya's hand, citing the fact Sansa was not yet betrothed, Rickon observes and, with the help of Shaggydog, Ghost and Arya, comes up with a plan to have Jon realise he should court Sansa himself. And if it were to result in Jon being less strict about bath times, that was totally coincidental!

Goodbye Means Going Away (And Going Away Means Forgetting) 2k by @vixleonard

Memory is unreliable. No one understands this better than Rickon Stark.

corresponding manip by @norrlands-nonsense

what this palace wants is release 26k WIP by @bravegentlestrong

When Sansa and Jon show up at Bear Island, Rickon is already there holding court as King in the North and planning a war with Lyanna Mormont. They look exactly like the parents who he lost. Once Jon and Sansa take over the whole ruling-the-kingdom thing, Lyanna and Rickon use their political capital to parent trap Jon and Sansa.

No Smooth Road 4k by @maybetwice

Jon and Sansa are in love. It ought to be as simple as that.

His King's Command ficlet by @vivilove-jonsa

“Sansa wants a babe. You should give her one.” Jon had been cleaning Longclaw but glances up at his king, his ten-years-old cousin, who is staring at him expectantly with his arms crossed.

Rickon's Refuge 1k by @vivilove-jonsa

On those nights, Rickon feels like a child of eight, not a man grown. On those nights, he seeks out Sansa, a tolerable replacement for the mother he lost, the one he barely remembers now, though that is not in his conscious thoughts.  She lets him lie in her bed.  She will stroke his hair softly and sing.  He's never told her but he likes that.  It makes him feel safe and loved and like he still has a mother who isn't a faded memory.   “Rickon? What are you doing in here?” He scowls at the deep voice even though he loves him. “What are you doing in here?!” he asks sharply in reply to Jon’s question, the petulance plain in his tone.

Marry Me In Some Old-Fashioned Way 2k by @blackholeofprocrastination

A misunderstanding with Rickon leads Jon to reconsider his future at Winterfell and his feelings towards its red-haired mistress.

PRE CANON - WESTERN - FAIRYTALE - REGENCY - LITTLE WOMEN - HOLIDAY - SEASON SIX - ANNE OF GREEN GABLES - THE GIRL IN GREY - FREE CITIES - FAIRYTALE PART II - POLITICAL MARRIAGE - SALTY TEENS - POST CANON - next time -> HISTORICAL: 1930S

#jonsa #jonsa fic #rickon lives au #dot fic list

[laurellerual]

in a modern scenario, do you think gendry and arya would’ve pinned as friends for a lot of time before becoming lovers (around late twenties-thirties)? or do you see them getting together while they’re still teenagers/early twenties?

It really depends on what kind of modern scenario you have in mind...

The first issue that comes to mind is the age gap. Although we are not certain if it's true, the gap declared by the books is five years. In my opinion this is an irrelevant gap from 20 years onwards, but for minors it is very relevant. It's also relevant because the character's culture influences what they find desirable. For example in a medieval-like world a mutual attraction between a teenage girl and a young man is not out of place, because the social norm is for girls to be of marriageable age once they have flowered and for boys to be of marriageable age once completed their apprenticeship and found a job that allows them to support a family.

But in the modern world this is not the case, most young men out there would not look at a teenage girl like a possible partner, because this is not socially accepted, if not even illegal. This is reflected in several modern au fanfictions for this ship, where Gendry is often shown as a friend of Jon and Robb, who considers Arya only like a little sister and then their relationship gradually changes over the years. I think this is one of the more “realistic” ways it could go, but I don't particularly like this scenario. I think it's out of character for Gendry to make friends with the rich kids, it work with Arya because she is the one to make the first step.

Another element to consider is classism. Nowadays it might be easier for Arya and Gendry to start a relationship, but I fear the Starks would try to hinder them if they wanted to make it more serious. The way I see it modern Ned and Cat wouldn't go so far as to arrange a marriage for her, but they would still expect her to marry someone from their social class. I can see them considering Gendry as a simple rebellious whim on Arya's part. Someone that they hope their daughter will get tired of sooner or later, or even suspecting him of gold digging.

Finally, another interesting factor to think about for a moder au could be the relationship between Gendry and Robert. Gendry is still an illegitimate child but nowadays it is a little more difficult to completely free yourself from basic parental responsibilities. Did Gendry's mother ask for a paternity test to make Robert recognize her son, or did she keep it a secret? Does Gendry receive maintenance? Is he entitled to a part of the inheritance of the rich Baratheon family? In that case, the dynamic with the Starks could change a lot.

Sorry, about this scenario I have more questions than answers. One of the reasons that makes it difficult for me to visualize modern Westeros is that often the fandom imagines it as a very US-like place. This is totally fair because Martin is american and a lot of his readers are too, but... I'm not, that's not my culture, I've never been there.

#arya stark #gendry #gendrya #arya x gendry #modern au #asoiaf fanfiction #ask laurel

[what-do-1000-swords-look-like]

I love the contrast of Dany raising Gendry up for her own purposes

and her keeping Jon down for her own purposes in the same episode

Gendry was the bastard son of the usurper who took her father's/family's throne and spearheaded the rebellion that killed most of her family and forced her into exile. She legitimizes him as a Baratheon and makes him Lord of Storm's End in order to have someone loyal to her in that area of the kingdom and for that house. And when Arya finds out, she's happy for him and tells him "you'll make a wonderful Lord" though she refuses his offer of marriage because that's not who she is.

Jon is not a bastard and is actually part of her family who could have a legitimate claim to her family's throne (meaning the Targaryens will get it back either way), the very son of the brother she wanted to emulate in her early days after learning about him from Barristan Selmy and the man she loves. He has no interest in the throne, she can have it, but because she sees how people love him (and will most likely prefer him over her), despite his loyalty to her, she doesn't legitimize him or make him Lord of Winterfell so she can secure the North and House Stark.

Very interesting contrast and it shows you the explicit power dynamics. Jon literally is bending the knee to her, telling her he doesn't want the IT and she can have it, that he'll refuse if anyone tries to offer it to him, that he's loyal to her, and yet she still works to intimidate him into silence. "We can all live together." "I've just told you how."

"I wish I could forget. I'd be happy right now."

True love at its best.

#anti jonerys #antijonerysposts #gotposts #got #game of thrones

[agentrouka-blog]

Was Gendry jealous of Edric Dayne in ASOS?

Not in a romantic sense, that's not the nature of their relationship at this point, with Arya ten years old and absolutely uninterested in that kind of stuff, and Gendry 14 or older. But he's irritated along the same lines that there has been tension between them since ACOK, which centers around class boundaries.

Arya occupies a contradictory role, being both a plucky, clever survivor, "the only one who's good for anything" out of their original ragtag bunch of kids who survived past Yoren's death, and the only one still around once Hot Pie left. At the same time, and this comes to the fore in ACOK, she is of the highest nobility, a home and protection waiting for her (in theory), and it informs how she treats him and the others, with an occasional sense of entitlement.

Gendry goes through an arc of finding his feet politically, from "what does it matter who I smith for?" to offering his skills and his loyalty to the Brotherhood Without Banners specifically because of the values they stand for then: justice for the smallfolk. Meanwhile, they come across evidence of vicious cruelty by Arya's people same as the Lannister army and it causes tension under the surface. When Gendry calls her his sister at the Peach and Arya objects, he assumes it's down to class differences even though Arya gave no indication of it then, while later playing up how he could have smithed for her family instead of the Brotherhood from atop her high horse when her feelings are hurt. When she is put into a pretty dress by Lady Smallwood, Gendry feels compelled to tease her and comment on her "proper" look. It brothers him. He likes when she wrestles with him and messes up her dress and behavior. It means something to him that this highborn girl fits in his world better than hers.

Arya and Ned have an equal social status and Arya immediately adjusts her behavior to something more formal. Gendry is bothered again. Not because of romantic jealousy but because it's a blatant reminder that while Arya and Ned can enter his world, while he and Ned can belong to the same Brotherhood, he is locked out of their world.

The conversation about fathers and bastards (while primarily about Jon and hinting at RLJ) once again plays with the unknown fact of Gendry's royal paternity. Which changes nothing about his status. Bella at the brothel was openly rumored to be Robert's daughter and still only a prostitute. Even if Gendry knew, he would not be part of their world. Even less so, now. He admires Arya personally but he also hates part of what she stands for. In that moment, she and Ned are the only target he has for addressing these conflicting emotions about his unknown father, about the social and political injustice in their world.

When Arya disappears, Gendry ends up at the forge at the Crossroads Inn, helping the Heddle girls care for war orphans. Quite a turn from the guy who had wanted to abandon Lommy, Hot Pie and Weasel in the woods way back. This guy can't be pleased with what the Brotherhood has turned into. Reconnecting with him is going to open up some fascinating political self-reflection for Arya, and I really mourn the dropped five-year-gap for specifically this plotline, which can no longer play out in all its potentially romantic complexity because Arya remains a pre-teen child.

#gendry #arya stark #classism

[pixiecactus]

🍂​book!(mostly)gendrya fanfic rec (part three)🍂​

(yes, this is me trying to picture them back at their time at harrenhal, i'm sorry) and here are the forty two to sixty two next fics, as always most of the summaries were written by me, so if you ask yourself why the summary is really shitty and not appealing, that's why. a high number of these fics are restricted so you'll need a ao3 account to be able to see them. any kind of triggering content i put with the corresponding warnings, same with any minor pairings featured and finally if the fic contains smut (so if that is not a thing you're interested in reading you can skip it) ➤i'm here by swanprincess - smut - gendry has nightmares about the time where the hound kidnapped arya - bwb au ➤the ghost of the red keep by thedameintheraininmaine - in one of arya's explorations of the red keep, she think she hears a ghost, the ghost end up being a blacksmith that's actually one of king robert's bastards - canon divergence - if you squint you can see a little of sansa/edric storm ➤something special by persuade_me - king robert didn't die but the starks return back to winterfell with an additional armorer's apprentice in their group - canon divergence ➤the white fawn by alltheworldsinmyhead - a beautiful piece of arya and gendry growing old together - bwb au ➤florian the fool by alltheworldsinmyhead - companion piece to the white fawn gendry loving his wife and his children - trigger warning child death - bwb au ➤i will not ask you where you came from by argella - one of my all time favourites gendrya reunion fics - future au ➤hammer and stone by acornsandravens - smut - sex ends up being a magic ritual at winterfell ruins - future au ➤i'll dress you all by obsessivewriter - smut - gendry is one of king robert's aknowledged bastards and works in the castle forge, he falls in love with a kitchen maid that ends up being the daughter of the hand of the king - canon divergence ➤mulish by acornsandravens - arya get jealous about gendry's favoritism towards their new travel companion - future au ➤lady of the forest by scrubclub - arya and gendry's life post war - future au ➤seeking shelter by obsessivewriter - fake-pretend relationship with there was only one bed - canon divergence ➤i've seen them chewing on the shadows in your eyes by forcynics - gendry thinking about arya as they travel north ➤partner by crookedstitches - one of my absolute faves fics - five times gendrya dance around each other, and one time they don't - future au ➤den of beasts by h3l - smut - arya returns to westeros in time to see her sister getting married, i have to say that the fic is from 2013 and somehow ends with lord of storm's end gendry and sansa as lady of winterfell (personally talking i'm not a fan of either but the gendrya is really good) - future au - minor jaime/brienne and sansa/the hound ➤carved from stone by onborrowedwings - arya and gendry trapped in the bwb under lady stoneheart's leadership - canon divergence ➤sometimes the fall kills you by theviolentdelight - angsty gendry hours after arya's kidnapping ➤in the silence (i heard you calling out) by chocolatecarstairs - shameless smut - that's all you need to know - canon divergence ➤i have no use for rings of gold, i care not for your poetry by thedameintheraininmaine - smut - if you can look past the arya and sansa have a good sister relationship tag (why does this tag even exist? when it's a blatant lie) gendry gets legitimized as the heir of the iron throne this fic has a good friends to lovers in an arranged marriage pipeline - canon divergence - minor sansa/margaery ➤lovers after the war by debate - smut - gendrya finding their place right by each other post war - jon is dead in this one - future au - minor bran/meera ➤i'll spend this summer by your side by alltheworldsinmyhead - smut - this is a lord gendry au but it's pretty much gendrya arranged marriage childhood-friends-to-lovers oh and before i forget it's a no rebelion au, meaning lyanna is alive and jon grew up as a targaryen - trigger warning miscarriage - canon divergence - minor jon/daenerys

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #house stark #arya stark #gendry #gendrya #arya x gendry #gendry x arya #gendrya fic rec #arya x gendry fic rec #gendry x arya fic rec #three of (?)... who honestly knows...

[abrideofdrogons]

I remembered something. It’s from the wretched season. The two hacks had Dany say “I’ve never begged for anything” which contradicted how she said in S2 “I’m begging you”. Those two really were inconsistent with their own story weren’t they? But I also don’t like the implications. I think they were trying to portray Dany as this arrogant and prideful woman who was so proud that she wouldn’t beg for anything or be humble. And they clearly wanted to portray her “begging for the first time” as her being selfish. Those two hacks never understood her character. They didn’t understand any of the characters. I take satisfaction knowing their wretch awful season burned their show and their careers to the ground. I just hope GRRM will finish the books and give the story and characters the writing and hopefully ending they deserve. I have a lot of hope that Dany will get a good ending in the books

it’s surprising that they forgot they had daenerys begging for things as well considering how badly they intentionally butchered her season two arc.  rather than showcasing her as a queen who is learning how to navigate court,  they have daenerys demanding to be let in & given things because she has dragons which is not something that happens in the books since the qartheen come looking for her instead.  the thing is,  there’s nothing “wrong” with begging for help.  for example,  daenerys’s major goal starting from a clash of kings where she begins learning how to maneuver politically is to find ships. she doesn't like to beg, but she isn't above it.

“Xaro Xhoan Daxos would be no help to her, she knew that now. For all his professions of devotion, he was playing his own game, not unlike Pyat Pree. The night he asked her to leave, Dany had begged one last favor of him. “An army, is it?” Xaro asked. “A kettle of gold? A galley, perhaps?” Dany blushed. She hated begging. “A ship, yes.” Xaro’s eyes had glittered as brightly as the jewels in his nose. “I am a trader, Khaleesi. So perhaps we should speak no more of giving, but rather of trade. For one of your dragons, you shall have ten of the finest ships in my fleet. You need only say that one sweet word.” “No,” she said.” DAENERYS V,  A CLASH OF KINGS

i think it’s important to note that only daenerys’s begging in seen as humiliating because it comes across as petulant.  she doesn’t want to “share” the throne.  she is so manipulative & convincing that she would “overpower jon” should he give into her,  despite tyrion successfully talking jon into murdering daenerys because she kills “evil men”.  in comparison,  jon spends several seasons begging for more soldiers at the wall.  he & sansa both partake in begging northern houses to help them in their cause to retake winterfell.  daenerys parallels mostly with gendry begging arya to love him rather than being a fully-fleshed out character within season eight.  his only purpose is to love arya,  be made the trueborn son of robert & do little else.

what d&d forgot repeatedly is that dany is a negotiator before she is a beggar.  her worth is in her many titles:  the mother of dragons,  the bride of dragons,  the rightful heir to the iron throne.  she negotiates one dragon for an army of unsullied.  she negotiates her own marriage for peace in meereen.  for all the repeated foreshadowing within season seven & eight,  daenerys should have successfully negotiated a marriage pact with the king in the north, especially once learning about his true birth so that claims of him being the true inheritor of the throne could be avoided. but d&d would rather humiliate her character.

it’s misogyny that they have daenerys begging jon repeatedly throughout season eight to not tell anyone,  to love her,  to be with her even in the moments leading up to her death.  she’s presented as a dreamy fool stuck between tyrion’s all-knowing genius & jon’s impeccable honor.  even though they’re all painfully watered down,  daenerys suffers the most & becomes a fridged woman so that jon can mourn her painstakingly over the last twenty minutes of the final episode to show just how torn he is about doing “the right thing.”

#daenerys targaryen #pro daenerys targaryen #anti got #anti d&d #got critical #jon snow #tyrion lannister #whitedragonwolf4961 #im not tagging s / an / sa; im scared of her show fans LOL

[gendrie]

. . . all but the black-haired boy from the forge, who crossed his arms against his chest and sat glowering as the others prayed. Brienne was not the only one to notice. When the prayer was done Septon Meribald looked across the table, and said, "Do you have no love for the gods, son?" "Not for your gods." Gendry stood abruptly. "I have work to do." He stalked out without a bite of food. "Is there some other god he loves?" asked Hyle Hunt. "The Lord of Light," piped one scrawny boy, nigh to six. (AFFC)

Jon glanced over his shoulder. The shadow was there, just as she had said, etched in moonlight against the Wall. A girl in grey on a dying horse, he thought. Coming here, to you. Arya. He turned back to the red priestess. Jon could feel her warmth. She has power. The thought came unbidden, seizing him with iron teeth, but this was not a woman he cared to be indebted to, not even for his little sister. "Dalla told me something once. Val's sister, Mance Rayder's wife. She said that sorcery was a sword without a hilt. There is no safe way to grasp it."(ADWD) 

thinking thoughts about the contrast between gendry becoming a follower of r’hllor bc he’s seen thoros’ power so he converts to that faith and fully commits to a dangerous group thats trying to find arya vs. jon acknowledging melisandre’s power and being tempted by it but also reluctant to align himself with her even to save arya bc he knows how dangerous sorcery is 

#asoiaf nonsense #i always think of gendry as a wet blanket #but jons worse lol #gendry will get involved with a lil dark magic stuff #thats why he's aryas bf

[jackoshadows]

I think most Jonsas looked around and were displeased with the guys GRRM wrote as potential partners for their fave so they landed on Jon because he is one of the few young, completely able-bodied and possibly attractive male characters around and he is not a jerk like Harrold or cruel like Joff. That's it.

Details like whether they give a sh*t about each other or if they are each other type's were completely ignored.

Fanfiction and AUs exist for a reason. If Sansa fans don't like her canonical story and relationships they can dabble in fanfiction. That's the purpose of fanfiction. Some of the most popular relationships in fandom are not canon. Not being canon has never stopped anyone. Personally, I find Jonsa to be bland and boring but go for it. People like what they like. Write all the fanfiction and draw all the fanart between the stereotypical disney princess and hot secret prince. That's never been the problem.

The problem is their insistence that Jonsa is canon, work backwards from there, mutilate and mangle the book characters, themes and relationships to shove Jonsa in there. And when this is pointed out, gaslight and attack book readers for being sexist haters of Sansa. It's tiresome.

Hence why we get utter idiocy about how Sansa was traumatized and bitter about Ned's favoritism towards Arya and yet Jon loves Sansa so much it's simply too painful for him to even think of her 😂

Jon Snow needs an entirely new personality and completely different story for Jonsa to happen and so we are stuck with a shallow, Littlefinger type who has a crush on the bully who mocks Arya for being ugly and horsefaced 🙄.

The issue with Jonsa shippers are their sexist, classist tirades on the tags against Dany, Arya, Jon etc. for daring to be tier one main characters with well defined central plots and complex themes that revolve around them, where the author has painstakingly written in relationships and leadership arcs for them, given them conflict and critical thinking skills and build this world of secondary characters to support these main characters.

Sansa fans read Jon's political intelligence and diplomacy, Arya's arc of being unable to fit, discovering her place in the world, her relationship with her father, the North and her siblings, the Lyanna parallels, Dany's revolutionary Queen getting the love of the people and want all that for Sansa. Hence the essays about how Jon and Dany are terrible rulers, how it's Sansa who was the outsider and outcast (Ned's so called favoritism is all about this).

The popular Sansa in fandom now is a self insert, a mish-mash of other characters and made up headcanons. Her most popular ship is a crackship, her relationships with Jon, Arya, Ned etc. has been rewritten. She is perennially a victim, has no agency. Right from Jon I AGoT, Sansa is an abuse victim. (All the while blaming Dany for not stopping the Khalasar's rape under Drogo!).

The fandom dichotomy when it comes to Sansa Stark is the insistence that only she be read like a realistic 11/12 year old and treated like a little child with respect to all her actions and yet she is also the most shipped character of the series!

As per fandom, Sansa is a little child who cannot understand when adults tell her a situation is dangerous or a drug is dangerous and yet she is also shipped romantically with a 27 year old adult who falls for this child. A child when it comes to her thoughts and actions, an adult when it comes to romance, love, marriage and babies.

Often someone will mention how much they love Sansa because she’s just so realistic, implying all the other characters are not realistic for their age.

And yet while we get called ‘pedophiles’ and perverts for shipping fictional children, fictional incest with age gaps etc. these same folks who appreciate realistic child Sansa will be shipping her with with Sandor Clegane, Jon Snow, Gendry, Willas, Jaime, Tyrion, Young Griff, Stannis, Littlefinger, Daenerys, Arondir, Rand, Harry Hardyng, Tom, Dick, reader etc.  

If Sansa is truly this naive and childlike, unable to understand when the physician is straight up telling her a drug is harmful and dangerous for a sick little boy suffering from epileptic seizures, why are the same readers treating her as being old enough to fall in love and have a romance arc?

Many of these Sansa stans have not read the books. They are fixated on a made up version, confront others based on this made up version. When we then ask for the book quotes they throw a hissy fit, block us, delete/change their blog name and then write essays about the evil Arya/Dany fans lol.

#asks #anti Jonsa

[ashleyfanfic]

"Stay A Thousand Years"

Is a fun little choral version of Jon and Dany's love song "Truth" from Game of Thrones. Oh, why did he write it? Cause he felt like it and it went with what could have been with their epic love story and BECAUSE THEY FUCKING DESERVED IT. Oh, don't think it's that important that this little version ended up being release? Did you know he also did a special one for Jaime and Brienne that was never released because Jon and Dany's was more epic?

You will never convince me that everyone involved with that show knew Dany was going down a dark path. NEVER! Yeah, some of the actors have to justify it to be settled into their role and live with the fact that they were part of one of the greatest television spectacles of all time that epically crashed and burned for bad storytelling and "subverting expectations". Guys, they literally tried to justify her death by saying "she killed slavers and we all cheered". TYRION SAID THIS! Yes we all fucking cheered. She killed people who enslaved other people. She killed bad people. Her brother was abusive to her and threatened to cut her child out and leave it for Drogo if he didn't get what he wanted. He was crazy and would have been a terrible ruler. But no, we should take the way he died and the way she let him die as her madness.

So, let's flip the coin and look at the perennial fanboy favorite, Stannis Baratheon. Let's see, who were the people we saw Stannis kill? Like, actually kill. Well, he sacrificed his brother and law to the lord of light. He tried to kill Gendry but used his blood to help along the deaths of Joffrey, Robb, and Balon Greyjoy. Granted, Joffrey and Balon were pieces of shit. But Robb, for all his faults and stupidity, looked to be a not horrible king. Then, in the biggest douche bag move of all the douche bag moves on the show, Stannis had his daughter burned alive out of religious zealotry. To help him win a battle that it was clear he wasn't going to win. His sweet, precious, intelligent daughter who loved him and him. You want to talk about characters on this show who did nothing wrong, look no further than Shireen Baratheon. But Stannis okayed her being cooked over a fire like a hot dog.

My long and winding point goes back to this: the villain arch of Daenerys didn't make sense then, it doesn't make sense now, and it will never make sense. Some of these actors get really into their roles and they mean a lot to them. They have to find some way to justify their actions in order to be able to make it come across on the screen believably. Which is what I think Kit's deal is, cause when he's actually made to talk about it with a fan or even in from of Emilia, he's not so set on Jon made the right decision. In fact, from the clips that were released of his chat with the fan over that zoom call or whatever, he's firmly in the Jon and Dany Together Forever club. He agrees that it made all the sense in the world for them to be together. Because it does. They are the alpha and omega, fire and ice, the true love story of that show. Their characters and their coming from nothing and into the front of the story is what it's fucking about. It's called Song of Ice and Fire. Not Ice and his shitty cousin he thought was his sister (don't even get me started on the destruction done to Arya and Sansa in those final seasons, or God forbid, Jaime Lannister).

I wish we could all agree that no matter what narrative anyone in the cast or crew want to try to pin on it, the final season failed so epically bad that a lot of things happened: a petition was started to redo the entire last season (which had no chance of going anywhere but 1.4 million is a lot of people), Kit Harington checked himself into rehab (there were signs during filming that he might not have been doing so great and God bless him he didn't deserve the emotional torture those two writer asshats did to him all the time), COUNTLESS celebrities all made it very public that they were with Daenerys, the ending was stupid, and she and Jon should have ruled the seven kingdoms, and the best, the piece that really tells you how badly they fucked it up, Dan and Dave were removed from having anything to do with Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Honestly, none of us should have trusted them when one half of that due made the Wolverine Origin movie and made Deadpool silent. He's the merc with the mouth. You do not silence Deadpool.

If you really think the ending of that show settles with everyone ok, then tell me why Kit Harington is trying so very hard to get a show with Jon Snow started. He hates the ending his character had even though he said it made sense to him at the time. If it did that, baby, why you trying so hard to bring Jon Snow back?

And then you have the people at HBO. If you think that your favorite is the face of that show, I will out right laugh at you and call you a moron to your face. Aside from the dragons, DAENERYS is the face of Game of Thrones. Not Sansa, not Tyrion, not Jon, Arya, or Bran. No, the face is Daenerys because she was epic. There was no other character on that show like her. She is the one that TRULY brought magic into that world. Not only did she have the dragons, but she had been proven to be impervious to fire. That was shown before she was gifted the eggs. There was something special about her in her first scene.

Which brings me back to Ramin and his love for Daenerys. Do you know how many songs he's done for Daenerys? A LOT. "Mhysa" for one. He even admitted in an interview once that he liked writing music for her and her scenes. Of course he did. That's where all the magic was. He also says that he wrote the love song for Jon and Dany backwards, doing the large sweeping song of their love scene and then going backwards and doing the softer tones of them just bonding. But then, to find out that he'd written this other song, this "Stay A Thousand Years" based off Dany's line in the first episode of the final season to represent their love for one another and how epic it COULD HAVE BEEN. They were the point.

I'll bring you back to my brother's point he makes all the time: if Jon's purpose for being brought back wasn't to kill the Night King, then what was the point? There are scenes shot with Emilia where she is clearly wearing a baby bump tummy. Perhaps the true plan, what should have happened, was Dany being pregnant by Jon (otherwise why have Tyrion bring it up in Season 7 and then Jon basically "Hold my beer" to her if that wasn't going to be the point?). But you know what you probably couldn't do and get away with it, just have everyone kind of go along with it? Have Jon kill a pregnant Daenerys. You think people complained about Jon killing Dany now? There is no way they could have done that which means their ending of turning Dany mad and Jon having to put her down like a rabid dog wouldn't have worked. And what wouldn't it have worked? Because like the ending we got, it made no sense. Honestly, the worst thing that ever happened to Daenerys is actually meeting and listening to Tyrion. Her life went to shit after that happened.

#not sure where this rant came from #anti got #pro jonerys #ramin djawadi #extra song #stay a thousand years

[thelustybraavosimaid]

It always surprises (and annoys tbh) me that Jonrya is consider a crack ship on the same level of Jonsa when it's obviously something that George has thought about and been watering the seeds for. I don't think it's guaranteed to happen but the groundwork for it is obviously still there and it's crazy that people just ignore it. Them being close is always the excuse for why it won't happen as though that wasn't George's intention in his outline, and that could still be the plan

Yes.

Jonrya is not "Jonsa with another sister."

Jonrya has actual contextual evidence.

I really want someone to look at me in my (virtual) face and tell me that Jonrya is a crackship when we have:

*excessive longing. (too many to name, but my favourite is: oh my god, look at my hideous burnt hand. I really wish I could touch Arya's hair right now, but I can't, and now I'm sad [Jon II, ACoK])

*"I am her home!" (Jon XI, ADwD)

*"she is my heart!" (Jon VI, ADwD)

*comparisons between potential lovers (there are five passages I can name off the top of my head, but know that Arya does this with Gendry and Jon does it with Ygritte)

Also a friend pointed it out to me a while ago, but One-eyed Yna speaking about The Sailor's Wife wanting to search for her lover and praying to gods to get him back is pretty curious since it could very well easily apply to Jon.

"She thinks that if she finds the right god, maybe he will send the winds and blow her old love back to her," said one-eyed Yna, who had known her longest, "but I pray it never happens. Her love is dead, I could taste that in her blood. If he ever should come back to her, it will be a corpse." (Cat of the Canals, AFfC)

*"you will marry a king, Arya" + king foreshadowing for Jon + "different roads lead to the same castle" (too many passages to apply here)

*"bastards gets the swords but not the arms"

*"I want my bride back"

*THE ORIGINAL FUCKING OUTLINE, WHOSE BEATS ARE STILL IN THE FUCKING STORY

Etc!!!

There's so many seeds. Too many seeds to ignore imo. What is there for Jonsa? Jonsas see this and say "Arya is mentioned, but it's Jonsa foreshadowing in disguise," which is...fucking wild to me. Jonryas literally don't have to do that. The importance Jon and Arya have to one another is not something I have to make up.

Of course, I can't say for sure that George is going to go through with this. But for real? If he wants to take it there, he's got more than enough foreshadowing to make it happen, captain.

#asoiaf #ramble #jon snow #arya stark #needleheart #asks

[the-king-andthe-lionheart]

This fanon notion that Ned was a bad father to Sansa is absolutely ridiculous and not remotely based in canon. Like Sansa stans are just mad that Ned didn’t mistreat Arya because Sansa stans hate Arya and want everyone to treat Arya like shit

Exactly @daenerysthevampireslayerr

They can't stand that Arya is one of the Key Five and is important to the story. They also can't stand that she's in GRRM's top 3 favorite characters. And because Sansa isn't among these groupings, they are ridiculously jealous and believe that Arya deserves to be punished. It's also why whenever a character shows love or loyalty towards Arya, treats her like a human being, or a plot is about her, or she does something good and heroic or political, they erase her. Jon deserts the NW and dies for Arya? Erased. LSH and the BWB+Gendry are glaringly obviously looking for Arya? Erased. Brienne's quest about finding Sansa leads her on a journey following Arya's path and learning more about Arya's fate after her escape from KL? Erased. The Northerner's rising up in Ned's and Arya's names? Erased. Arya successfully pulling off a coup in Harrenhal that wins the castle for Robb? Erased. Arya hearing Ned's voice (not Bran's voice) through the weirwood at Harrenhal that gives her the strength to try to escape? Erased. Arya saving 4 people from a burning barn, including a toddler she later cares for? Erased. Arya being the second most powerful skinchanger after Bran? Erased. Arya learning all the same skills as Varys? Erased.

The fandom just loves erasing Arya's importance, her themes, her actual arc, her intelligence, the political skills she is learning, and the context in which she does things, just so they can prop other characters like Sansa up. But it's so pervasive that they've convinced so many other fans of this too, and it didn't help that we have misogynistic dudebros and incels in this fandom who overly criticize Arya for things that they applaud in the male characters. Like seriously, Arya has done nothing worse than what Ned has done, but which one in the fandom is deemed "good" and "honorable"? Ned.

But what's funny about these people is how they clearly can't read. The reason why Ned kept talking to Arya, is because he was blaming her for the fights with Sansa, and thought that Arya was the problem when it came to Septa Mordane. He was admonishing her. The reason why he got Arya water dancing lessons was to keep her busy, and he obviously knew it would be a good outlet that would teach Arya to focus her anger, and gain more discipline and patience. He never intended on the lessons to go far. He thought it was a phase she would grow out of before conforming into a southern lady. The reason why he said Syrio could come to Winterfell with them, but that Sansa couldn't say good-bye to Joffrey, is because Syrio wasn't a freaking Lannister, and the point of them leaving secretly had to do with the Lannister's being dangerous. But apparently that's favoritism and it means he didn't love Sansa? Even if Arya was his favorite, he clearly loved Sansa enough to think Sansa was well-behaved enough that she would never dare be the instigator towards Arya.

They want Arya severely punished in this story, but it's not even just Ned they want to punish her. Lately I've even been seeing disturbing things about them wanting Gendry to rape her. Imagine wanting a 12 year old to be raped or sexually assaulted, even a fictional one. It's disgusting and it's unhinged. They want Arya to suffer unimaginable torments but as soon as someone mentions an ending for Sansa that doesn't include Sansa being queen and having a Disney fairy tale ending they shriek and cry and send death threats. And I'm not even talking about people theorizing that Sansa will go dark or die by the end. I'm talking about people getting ulcers from the mere suggestion of Sansa ending the series in an arranged marriage and that she might have to seek love outside of her marriage considering GRRM loves tragic romances. But no, Arya and Dany are the special punching bags in this fandom, who deserve horrible things done to them, for... *checks notes*: "Doing the exact same things the male characters are doing and being praised for".

#arya stark #anti sansa stans

[esther-dot]

If I remember correctly there was a scene where Missandei was taking care of an injured Greyworm. She kissed him as he told something about being scared to not see her again. Then also there was scene about Missandei saying goodbye to GW saying same line which was told by Jon to Dany. Compare these scenes to similar Jonerys ones where the latter lacks warmth. I don't know if it was deliberate or not. What do you think?

I can't find a gifset of it at the moment, but yes, Missandei (who is alive and well on Naath, thank you very much!) does sit by Greyworm when he is injured. Jonsas compared/contrasted Greyworm/Missandei with Jonerys and Jonsa a lot because they had so many similar scenes, but unfortunately, I'm not finding all those posts rn. Although, I have to point out @ladyandtheghost 's parallel in which she argued that just as Greyworm declared Missandei his weakness, Sansa was Jon's ( this post ) -- all the way back in 2017. Everyone who noticed the parallels was quite frustrated with how the show failed to offer adequate payoff for them, but seeing as Sansa was the trigger that got Jon to stabbity stab Dany aka her treason for love, I think the Greyworm x Missandei and Jonsas parallels were part of how D&D were laying the groundwork for the finale from s6 on. As pathetic as the the end product was, there were a few throughlines.

As for the Jonerys parallels...as you point out, the similar scenes make Jonerys look horrible. I assume they were actually meant to be contrasted with a couple that truly knew and loved each other which is why they paled in comparison. Greyworm and Missandei obviously had a lot more time to develop a dynamic which makes their love far, far more compelling (the actors are gorgeous and talented which helped too!), but in s7-8 there were a number of relationships that we can contrast jonerys with and inevitably, D&D put more time and effort into the side relationships than the “point of the series” (as everyone told us JonDany was). Since they were also running a storyline about protecting Sansa being more important to Jon than his own life or Dany's, about jon's love for Sansa being more important to him than his honor and duty, I have a hard time swallowing that they even intended Jonerys to be seen as an epic romance.

Often people blame the actors for the failure to make the relationship work (which is a pretty universally accepted sentiment, ), apparently Kit was having personal struggles at the time which fans have pointed to as an explanation for his poor acting. But he delivered in other dynamics, his face and eyes were alive in s7 when interacting with Gendry and Tormund, so I don't think that was the issue. I pointed out how the writing of Jonerys created no potential to make it compelling as D&D carefully included the fact that there was no obstacle to their relationship back in s7, so I have a few different explanations.

D&D were wanting to end the show, HBO/Martin wanted more seasons, so s6- s7 could have been written to allow for a quick closeout, or room to grow certain strorylines into 2 more seasons worth of content. If they didn't know if they'd have 8 or 16+ episodes to wrap things up, maybe they were trying to leave different paths open hence some odd writing.

Perhaps Jonerys was fan service, and they didn't want to do it but did it at HBO's behest or whatever so they didn't put in the effort that Greyworm/Missandei got, or Sam/Gilly, or even Gendry and Arya who all had recognizable beats progressing the relationship to an inevitable end. That's why there was a sex scene, but none of the compelling emotion we would expect from a love story that was so anticipated.

The last is the hotly contested, deeply unpopular belief that Jon will not love Dany, but will betray her in the books, and Jonerys was D&D romanticizing the plot points Martin gave them, just as they romanticized Jongritte and changed the point of that relationship. The theory for show verse had a lot of different names, political Jon being the most popular, and seeing as how Jon did betray Dany in the end, and for Sansa, which was the predicted endpoint (although as far as I can recall, none of us at the time speculated that he would kill Dany), I think that explains the oddities of Jonerys. That's the way I interpret it, and I think D&D were either pressured by HBO or their own fear of audience reaction led them to soften the dynamic/Dany's ending further because again, I do not think they believe they delivered a grand romance.

Obviously, the bad writing in s7-8 make most fans reject a lot, or all, of the developments hence the above being an unpopular stance, but I actually do think D&D were relaying in a very confused, contradictory way, some of Martin's plot points. The fact that so much in the end matched earlier ideas/themes...I don't buy that it was all D&D. I tried to wrestle all of that and Jon's love vs duty stuff in a very long post here .

What do you think?

#dot chat #jonsa #anti jonerys #<< for filtering

[laurellerual]

You have such great insights on Arya so I’m curious on how you think Gendry and her would reunite (hopefully in twow lol) I’d imagine it would be in the riverlands with the brotherhood but I don’t know how each would react to one another or how it might play out

Haha thank you so much. If you want to take a look, I drew this. Ok, let's speculate:

We don't yet know what will prompt Arya to return to Westeros, but whatever the cause, I believe she will try to return North. But she won't be able to find a ship that goes directly there because: "It would make no difference if you could, child. The North has nothing for us. Ice and war and pirates.” And none of those problems are going to be resolved anytime soon, so she might choose to take a ship that takes her further south to the Riverlands forcing her to retrace her steps.

Having landed near Saltpans the obvious route is to start traveling north following the course of the river to the Crossroads Inn and then take the King's Road from there. All roads lead to this inn, it's the easiest place for a traveler to find, and there is Gendry. I think he may be the first person she knows to meet upon her return to Westeros.

I would love if Gendry was the first friend to call her name in ages, it would be a very emotional scene. After all, he was the last person on page to address Arya by name (ASOS - Arya IV) before she left for Braavos. Next up is that heartbreaking scene where Arya hears someone screaming her name in the rain before being kidnapped by the Hound (ASOS-Arya VIII). She thinks it might be Harwin or Gendry, but “the thunder drowned them out as it rolled across the hills, half a heartbeat behind the lightning” says Gendry to me.

Arya's reaction is the hardest to predict. It really depends on how the first chapters of TWOW go. I think a more mature Arya, while feeling hurt by his decision to stay with the Brotherhood, is fully able to understand his need for self-determination. She basically had no problem understanding Hot Pie's decision and she doesn't hate Jon for leaving her to join another brotherhood. She's just overwhelmed because the people she loves always seem to leave or die on her.

Gendry… in AFFC he seemed ready to smash the Hound skull, so I would say that his reaction will be first of all one of relief and happiness to see her literally come back from the Underworld.

I would like it if Lady Stoneheart were the first topic of discussion. Maybe Arya asking why he's here with childrens and not out there playing the stupid knight role with the Brotherhood and him trying to explain about the lady.

Arya doesn't understand, then she remembers that strange wolf dream she had years ago and realizes the role she played in the resurrection of her mother. It would be a chapter full of mixed feelings: the happiness of being able to embrace her mother again and the sense of guilt of having contributed to making her this way.

Then... Arya doesn't know the way to the Hollow Hill, but Gendry does.

#arya stark #gendry #gendry waters #lady stoneheart #the bwb #twow #asoiaf #twow speculations #arya x gendry #gendrya

[agentrouka-blog]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask or if I'm being a silly goose but why do so many fans think Aria's story is about justice? From my pov it's always been about revenge/vengeance. Most "justice" she seeks to achieve is often hypocritical or just plain flawed (e.g. condemning a child-murderer while concealing her own crime of child-murder, thinking Dareon deserved to die when we all know she wouldn't think the same for Jon, having a kill list of horrible murderers but 5 of the 7 people she's killed were presumably innocent people). Even when she is taught how to kill a person in a quick and merciful way (which is what the law should do when doling out capital punishment) she immediately disregards it and resolves to terrorize her targets and/or have them suffer (the tickler, hound, and Raff). Obviously she's a kid that’s been through hell and her misdeeds arent exactly held to the same standard as an adult's misdeeds, but it just baffles me when I see people make edits or claims that she'd be a great justiciar or lawman or something. Are people just confusing justice with revenge or am I just a dummy that doesn't see it? Thank you.

The important thing to keep in mind here is that Arya's arc is not complete.

She is, like the other Starklings, currently at the extreme outward point of being alienated from her roots and from where she wants to be. Vengeance and vigilantism is just a distorted version of what justice is supposed to be, after all. She did not start out there, and she will not end there. Arya is going to move on from her current situation. Her extreme disillusionment is eventually going to turn back to a sense of creative investment in the world.

Vengeance, mercy and justice all feature for Arya. She gave fresh fountain water to the guilty men at Stoney Sept, the same way we see her tend the black poison pool at the House of Black and White. She had her faith in justice brutally shaken from the "trial" at Darry to Ned's execution to the trial by combat in the weirdwood cave to witnessing constant cruelty and abuse from all sides of the war. It's not surprising that vigilantism and vengeance seem like logical conclusions to her.

She now has to learn why it is not justice, why it constitutes its own form of abuse of power. That's why questions of privilege and classism feature just as prominently in her story. Justice is broken if it is not equal. Justice is broken if power is not shared for the greater good. Justice is not arbitrary, not the providence of the lone wolf - it is communal.

Ultimately, Arya has to find a way to create true justice in the world, by using her own privilege and investing it in the world around her. It is a balance of interests, a trade between injury and compensation that aims not for perpetuating wrath but enabling harmony within society. She has to make her peace with an imperfect world.

The imagery of balancing (on her toes, on tree branches, between identities) and blindness (literal, in darkness, in ignorance or bias) is very prominent for her, alongside the image of the sword. It is the symbolism of Justitia: blindfolded, carrying scales in one hand and a sword in the other.

And then there is the imagery of water and rain.

The quality of mercy is not strain'd. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest: It blesseth him that gives and him that takes. (The Merchant of Venice)

The bars were too narrow to pass a cup through, but Harwin and Gendry offered her a leg up. She planted a foot in Harwin's cupped hands, vaulted onto Gendry's shoulders, and grabbed the bars on top of the cage. The fat man turned his face up and pressed his cheek to the iron, and Arya poured the water over him. He sucked at it eagerly and let it run down over his head and cheeks and hands, and then he licked the dampness off the bars. (ASOS, Arya V)

She isn't performing this act of mercy by herself, she could not have. She needs to stand on the hands and shoulders of a smith and a former servant. Because they believe in her choice and her cause.

That is the kind of imagery we will return to before her arc is completed.

#arya stark #justice #vengeance v justice #mercy

[bookhousestark]

ARYA STARK APPRECIATION MONTH 2022 ↳ Day 23: Men in Arya’s life → Men searching for Arya throughout the series

She would have been better alone. If she had been alone, the outlaws would never have caught her, and she'd be with Robb and her mother by now. They were never my pack. If they had been, they wouldn't leave me. She splashed through a puddle of muddy water. Someone was shouting her name, Harwin probably, or Gendry, but the thunder drowned them out as it rolled across the hills, half a heartbeat behind the lightning. The lightning lord, she thought angrily. Maybe he couldn't die, but he could lie.

***

It had been so long since he had last seen Arya. What would she look like now? Would he even know her? Arya Underfoot. Her face was always dirty. Would she still have that little sword he'd had Mikken forge for her? Stick them with the pointy end, he'd told her. Wisdom for her wedding night if half of what he heard of Ramsay Snow was true. Bring her home, Mance. I saved your son from Melisandre, and now I am about to save four thousand of your free folk. You owe me this one little girl.

***

We are five thousand strong as I write, our numbers swelling every day. And word has come to us that Roose Bolton moves toward Winterfell with all his power, there to wed his bastard to your half sister. He must not be allowed to restore the castle to its former strength. We march against him. Arnolf Karstark and Mors Umber will join us. I will save your sister if I can, and find a better match for her than Ramsay Snow. You and your brothers must hold the Wall until I can return.

***

The outlaw gave him an encouraging smile. "Well, as it happens, we're looking for a dog that ran away." "A dog?" Merrett was lost. "What kind of dog?" "He answers to the name Sandor Clegane. Thoros says he was making for the Twins. We found the ferrymen who took him across the Trident, and the poor sod he robbed on the kingsroad. Did you see him at the wedding, perchance?" "He would have had a child with him," said the singer. "A skinny girl, about ten. Or perhaps a boy the same age."

***

You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … "I think we had best change the plan," Jon Snow said.

***

"I mean to have Arya as well. I have men searching."

#aryastarkmonth2022 #canonarya #asoiaf #asoiafedit #arya stark #arya stark month day 23 #gifs

[tinfairies]

GoT ladies/gents reaction to you getting kidnapped? who would lose their shit and start a war and who would be tactical about getting you back??

Absolutely loses it. Is ordering for a search party, yelling at anyone and everyone asking how they could just let their beloved be taken like that. Will start a war if it was a Nobleman that took them: Cersei, Joffrey, Daenerys, Theon, Ramsay

Tries to stay calm and calculated. Anger and fear will do no good in this situation. Will try and come to an agreement with the kidnapper: Ned, Catelyn, Jon, Sansa, Tywin, Tyrion, Gendry, Margaery, Brienne, Podrick, Melisandre, Oberyn, Stannis, Beric, Jory, Petyr

Will go out and find their beloved themselves. They can't trust anyone to get the job done right, and they want to see the blood pour from the kidnappers throat when they slit it: Robb, Arya, Jaime, Yara, Roose, Sandor, Jaqen, Tormund

#game of thrones headcanon #game of thrones headcanons #game of thrones imagine #game of thrones #Game of thrones x reader #got imagine #got headcanons #got x reader #Got #MTL #Fluff