#late stage Swiftgron

[sunshinelore]

rant but it’s been on my mind for a while

idk if it’s like this on tumblr too but I’m SO sick of seeing twt gaylors bash lsk CONSTANTLY. In this community we still only know what taylor presents us with. they could be together, they might not be together, we do not know!!!!!!! I’m not even an lsk, in my own interpretation of taylors lyrics, performances, flags, etc, they are broken up. But people need to get off their high horse and realize that they don’t “know more” or are better because they think kaylor is broken up. while the evidence ive seen lsks present is not enough to convince me, it’s not like it’s crazy. We only know what Taylor writes (which is one side of the story,) but also, it’s not like she and Karlie haven’t written/sang/done things that would imply they are back together. “I tell you that I think I’m falling back in love with you,” her Karlie Smile during surprise songs, karlie with Levi (I believe it’s him) with the candle Taylor is known to have all around her house, and more. And this is something I’ve observed being in the gaylor community for about 2 years (not a long time I know, but long enough,) just because we realize that 🧣 believe the narrative Taylor™️ feeds them and they don’t see the “real” Taylor🏳️‍🌈 we still don’t know everything about Taylor. We don’t know who she is as a person in private, we don’t know what happened in her relationships, we don’t know what she does behind the scenes, etc. we still only know what Taylor presents us with publicly. And I’m getting so tired of seeing other gaylors act like they know Taylor just because they see through Taylor Swift™️, and bash other peoples theories who know just as much as them. I realize I don’t have a big following, but I’m gonna say this to whoever’s listening because every single lsk I’ve met/seen has been so kind to me and to their following, and they don’t deserve the constant bullying by this community. We are supposed to come together and bond, and sharing interpretations back and forth is APART of that. And it’s not fair to “mass accept” (idk if that’s the right wording lol) a certain theory as truth. And by that I mean accepting that kaylor broke up as a fact, when that’s not necessarily true, and bashing ANYBODY who tries to share their own interpretation. It’s not right and it’s not kind. I’m not trying to start a fight I’m just trying to share this issue I’ve observed

#gaylor #gaylor swift #lesbian #lsk #late stage kaylor #late stage swiftgron #lgbetty #sapphic #karlie kloss #kaylor #taylor swift #the eras tour #swifties #swiftie #wlw #swifttok #tswift #tswiftlyrics #tswiftlover #gay #lgbtq community #lgbtq positivity

[jennyboom21]

Gaylor Twitter during the 4/13 Late Stage Swiftgron Day.

#Swiftgron 2023 #late stage swiftgron #the celesbians are restless #gaylor swift x dianna agron #soul mates who break up and get back together break up get back together just be like that

[badgalazzie]

some of my thoughts about LSK and kaylor reunion at the eras tour

they are definitely NOT back together. like i said before - they broke up during Lover era (taylor wore black around album’s release and post-release), karlie chose married life with children and taylor wrote folkevermore after their breakup. that’s what most of the gaylors believe in and agree about. i don’t know what to think about the „koincidences” because most of them feels like reaching to me, sorry. Midnights album is - just like taylor said - about her sleepless nights THROUGHOUT her life. kaylor reunion at the eras tour confirmed to me that they are on the speaking FRIENDLY terms again. it’s a similar situation to fletcher and shannon. they are healing and slowly moving on from each other, but before that… taylor is soft launching her coming out and needs support and agreement from all of her exes. if she’s outing herself, she’s also outing them. LA shows were dedicated to karlie. we also know that liz huett attended one of the last shows and she 100% supports taylor and worked with her again on red tv and speak now tv (liz seems to be out, check her tiktok). i don’t know about dianna but in the last interview she’s done she nervously laughted at that swiftgron question and it looked like: „don’t ask me, ask taylor”. so that’s it. kaylor is over but they are plotting together. be ready for comingoutlor.

#gaylor #gaylor swift #taylor swift queer #kaylor #karlie kloss #dianna agron #swiftgron #tayliz #liz huett #the eras tour #lgbetty #she gave so many signs #comingoutlor #lsk #late stage kaylor #gaylor analysis #gaylor theory #mine #badgalazzie

[kenstewydyke]

Speak now tv in July let's gooo. Hope the vault tracks are gay af.

#taylor swift #speak now #speak now taylor’s version #gaylor #kaylor #late stage kaylor #swiftgron

[vahanians]

#laTe stage swiftgron looking more and more realistic by the day idk what to do i was just joking

[cursed-man-prayers]

i love you late stage kaylors i love you late stage swiftgrons i love you toë shippers i love you taylily truthers i love you gaylor tiktok i love you gaylor twitter i love you gaylor tumblr i love you new gaylors i love you early gaylors i love you every gaylor in between I LOVE GAYLORS

#i hate you hetlors #gaylor #gaylor swift #kaylor #swiftgron #taylily #toë #plz stop the infighting #taylor swift fruity

[nicollekidman]

do you think late stage swiftgroners are onto something when they think taylor and dianna were still together up until 2022 and that peter might be about dianna or are they all just huffing paint like people who think taylor and karlie might still be together?

huffing paint but having fun with it so i support them

[bigswisswhen]

not to late stage Swiftgron too close to the sun… but I’m going to sit here and giggle to myself anyway. Taylor played treacherous tonight (a Swiftgron anthem imo) and Dianna did the thing she does where she makes a Spotify playlist with a single song, and in this case it was Our House. The lyrics of which are “staring at the fire for hours and hours while I listen to you play your love songs all night long for me” “fiery gems for you, only for you” and “our house is a very fine house with two cats in the yard.” I’m sure it’s nothing, but I think it’s fun. Especially because today is 4/13 aka 143, SWIFTGRON DAY okay I’ll crawl back into my little cave now

#Swiftgron #taylor swift #dianna agron #gaylor #treacherous #gaylor swift #swag

[iwanthermidnightz]

I don’t know if you want to post this long explanation and train of thought, but thought it might be worth sending my thoughts.

I’m on gaylor twitter as much as I’m on Tumblr these days, and I watched the rise of the term LSK. Where it came from was after Taylor seemed to make it clear that Karlie betrayed her (post-folklore and through the release of ITTG and Closure, her explanation of MTR at long pond, and during the confirmation of Karlie’s first pregnancy,) kaylor as a fandom essentially died. 99% of people believed they broke up, and it was ugly. Kaylor was already on life support after the masters thing, but this period essentially killed it. Even those who were willing to consider they were still together stopped posting about it because there was no point and we got a lot of hate. It was seen as embarrassing to still believe they were together. Why would anyone want to participate in something that brings no joy? A few like you and 9wift stuck around, but I know that even you took a step back for a while.

But starting around early 2022, a few people started admitting out loud that there were a lot of clues that maybe they were together. Because the evidence for them having broken up was so strong, still very few people would entertain the idea that they never actually broke up. But it started to become clear enough that there was something going on. And eventually enough accounts on twitter who made good points (and do so in a funny, joyful way, unlike the toxicity of tumblr at the time) it became relatively popular, and more and more people became convinced. These people needed a term to separate themselves from “kaylors” who believed they never broke up, at the time were very small in numbers, and had a very bad reputation because of some personalities, particularly on tumblr. They chose Late Stage as their term. It probably was already a term used in other fandoms, but I’m not sure. In the past, we used to describe swiftgron in terms if versions (1.0, 2.0, etc) so I look at LSK as similar to this. They see LSK as a sort of kaylor 2.0. A post-breakup reconciliation.

As is the case with all other subgroups, there are various beliefs about how and when LSK happened, and some of them even go back and forth about maybe they never actually totally broke up. But even those still call themselves LSKs as a way to distinguish themselves as a new generation (who look at things differently.) One of the most obvious ways they look at things differently is they are less concerned with josh. They see him as Karlie’s gay bestie rather than calling him names and thinking he is the devil, both Karlie and Taylor hate him and he’s blackmailing them and he’s a war criminal. All that became canon on tumblr over the years (and also among the meaner parts of Gaylor twitter, much of which was born on tumblr and The Lchat and migrated to twitter.) Most LSKs don’t like josh as a person, but they don’t believe Karlie hates him. This allows them to approach kaylor with fun and joy rather than being miserable all the time like a lot of the old tumblr kaylors. I think a fair amount of this is that there is some separation at this stage from the trump presidency and some of the most controversial kushner stuff and they are young and often not Americans, so it is easier for them to not know or overlook this part of things. Also over time as joshlie continue to be married and have children and look happy together, it becomes harder to see disdain. Another part of this is that they don’t know the lore. There are some advantages to this. While they might not understand all the stuff we understand and sometimes they say incredibly dumb things, they also aren’t weighed down with the baggage that we have that is so hard to let go off. And they can look at things from different perspectives, which also can be hard for those of us who made decisions on how we feel about things years ago, and therefore developed biases that can cloud our thinking. Again, there are pros and cons and neither perspective is necessarily better. But I tend to lean toward a way for people to enjoy their experience in this fandom rather than giving in to misery and anger. I don’t understand why anyone would want to spend a lot of time on something that made them unhappy. I would simply find another hobby. So the fun of LSK on twitter is one of the reasons it gained traction and a lot of the obvious clues that have been thrown at us, especially over the last year, were caught and popularized. That’s not to say they don’t still get hate from gaylors (and swifties of course) who can’t see it, but there are enough LSKs now who support each other to cancel out some of that negativity.

Wow. Thank you for explaining it like that. This is mostly a very accurate account of things. I don’t think that term (lsk) is accurate for us in these parts but it’s interesting to hear how it came about. Personally, I think the twitter gaylors are cute, but theres a gap in beliefs in some cases for sure.

First, I think a lot of us here never felt from the songs that Karlie actually betrayed Taylor. That’s where a lot of the disconnect is. Songs deserve nuance and the situation is of course delicate. It’s obvious there have been some real hardships and tests and breaks as normal relationships have, but nothing absolutely permanent. Who knows the period of time when this all truly takes place. She may have put it out on folklore, but that doesn’t mean it was recent events. I think she dug deep/went back time for a lot of those songs. MTR for example screams Scott. I wont get into song analysis but if one wanted to apply it to Karlie sure, they could. I can see why others would come to the conclusion that they were done forever. But it’s never that simple. Maybe the point was to kill kaylor if you get what I’m trying to say.

The series of events that happened during this time were intense. There were splits in the fandom, weird, crazy and toxic rumors going around etc. To be honest, I’ve pushed a lot of this period of time back in my conscious because it was traumatic to say the least. The amount of hate and toxicity here completely changed the way I and others went about posting for sure. The threats, the hate, the gaslighting, the daily harassment… getting blamed for certain things I had nothing to do with. Yeah. I stepped back for a while and was terrified to say what I wanted. A few people caught on. Even saying this gives me anxiety. If it weren’t for few close mutuals it would have been much harder.

But still there was evidence even through quarantine that things were fact not over between them. And you’re right, it was not popular to say so at the time. It was kind of like walking around with a letter A or K on your chest… the Hester Prynne’s of the fandom if you will. So a lot of us took our thoughts underground, but were still around. There’s some delicate things I still rather not talk about, except for privately.

I think whatever people want to call themselves is fine… and that most of us have the same idea in mind as to how things may turn out. I get there’s varying opinions and thats fine too. There are bigger things to worry about as long as it’s respectful.

And tbh, my opinions on certain things have changed. Or at least how I’m willing to talk about it i.e. jk. I really don’t want to talk about him. Personally, ignoring him/making stupid silly comments about situations has done wonders for me. That does’t mean I like the dude. But to hold that much animosity continuously isn’t good for ones mental health. I don’t want to keep reliving one of the worst periods in history.

That said, we’ve all been through a lot. Like you mentioned, theres a lot of baggage. But for me, taking a different approach and making an effort to be both positive and realistic at the same time has really helped. It’s not being naive. It’s choosing what’s best for you. I don’t want to be that person spewing negativity all the time. I refuse to. I’m so thankful for the people here who choose to see the light through dark times. Sending an extra hug to everyone around 🤍

#hope this answers some questions i know some of you have #memories feel like weapons #wont be answering anything else on this tonight i’m exhausted this took a lot out of me lol #Pisces being Pisces

[tayjunkie]

as a late stage swiftgron stan, last night absolutely hurt my soul. ibytam AND hygtg on dianna’s birthday, in dianna’s hometown.

#swiftgron #taylor swift #dianna agron #gaylor #kaylor #swifty #ibytam

[mykingdomcomeundone13]

With 1989 coming everyone is suddenly becoming late stage swiftgron 💀💀💀💀

#gaylor #kaylor #taylor swift #karlie kloss #taylor karlie

[jennyboom21]

(X)

SWIFTGRONAISSANCERS/LATE STAGE SWIFTGRONS!!! WAKE UP!!!

#lolawolf #Swiftgron 2023 #late stage swiftgron #Swiftgronaissance #Zoe Kravitz band

[youshouldseemyotherusername]

Indulge for a second. Imagined the harm it would do to the wider sapphic community if late stage Kaylor or Swiftgron is true/they get back together.

The amount of exs that'll be called.

She's just protecting us all from ourselves.

#gaylor #ts #lsk #late stage

[mercuryonparklane]

Some quick thoughts on SNTV:

“I Can See You” is Tayliz

“Electric Touch” is either Tayliz v Taymily (requited v unrequited) or Swiftgron v Tayliz (more likely the first option considering the clear references to “Breathe”)

“When Emma Falls In Love”, “Foolish One”, and “Enchanted” could be about her unrequited crush on Emma S.

I’m very happy that she brought Liz (and Caitlin) back for this one, but I expected she would since she had already brought her back for Red TV. I still wish we could get an actual feature, though (“Better Man” was so close), their voices sound amazing together (maybe even more so now than they did when Liz was in the band).

I do not believe in late stage anything, including Tayliz. I think the rerecording process (which probably began to some extent before the pandemic in 2020) had her reflecting a lot on the past and previous relationships/situationships. That’s why there seems to be a lot of reminiscing about and references to older songs and past relationships on folklore, evermore, and Midnights.

I haven’t felt like posting as much about Tayliz, hence why this blog has become essentially inactive, because I noticed Liz seemed like the type who would manage to stumble across the theories (not this blog in particular, just all the Twitter and TikTok stuff) and I didn’t feel like adding much more to that discussion. And, in fact, I deleted and archived some of my previous posts for that reason.

I have seen tweets the last couple days about Liz watching Tayliz stuff, so I’m not super comfortable with that (that’s just a personal thing, not an admonishing or strong judgment on anyone who feels comfortable doing so). I’ll stick to my once in a blue moon tumblr posts, where I actively avoid using last names haha.

I do think they may have had something in the past and that Taylor has possibly written songs about her and vice versa, but neither one of them have made a clear statement on their sexuality and Liz seems to be currently dating one of her longtime close friends.

I think Taylor and Liz, for whatever reason, had a little bit of a falling out around fall 2012, but are on good terms now and likely have been for many years. Liz is one Taylor’s oldest friends at this point and she (and Caitlin) was there to see first hand the transition from playing small shows in bars to selling out arenas. She’s one of her few “industry” friends who knew her and admired/supported her before she blew up, so I do hope they are at least friends at this point.

I still think Tayliz is way more likely Taylor/Martin or any of the alleged public boyfriends, slightly less likely than Taylianne, and moderately less likely than Swiftgron and Kaylor.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m like 90% convinced that they had a situationship, and at the bare minimum had a very strong romantic friendship, it’s just that I am always skeptical about everything, so unless one of them confirms it, I can’t be fully on board. At this moment, I do believe they had a situationship and that both have written multiple songs about the other and have referenced each other in music videos. I am not convinced that they ever had any kind of defined, serious, committed relationship. I definitely find Tayliz far more convincing than any of the men we are meant to believe Taylor has been attracted to.

[whatiwillsay]

can't believe jared is a late stage swiftgron

https://twitter.com/JustJared/status/1649667063500140546

ok but that's just reporting the news not late staging anything

[vahanians]

late stage kaylors on twitter getting mad about the cowboy like me swiftgron jokes as if we’re not all writing gay fanfiction in our heads about americas biggest pop sensation like honey i promise you arent any less insane than we are

#nothing funnier than seeing ‘i promise this isnt swiftgron you’re fucking nuts’ and then immediately getting blasted with knowing op truly #thinks taylor and karlie have a baby together #LMFAO #anyway im not the one giving betty the hygtg treatment every night 😇😇