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leverage-ot3 · 5 months
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love how we all went into redemption either wary of or expecting to hate harry but within two episodes we all collectively went, oh, he’s just some lil weird guy and we adopted him just like the leverage crew did
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fallonash · 1 year
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Sophie Deveraux - timeline
Is anyone else confused by the timeline suggested by Sophie and Astrid claiming they haven’t seen each other in 20 years? That’s only 5 years before the pilot of the original series. Wouldn’t 30 years have made much more sense? Or at least 25. I’ve gone back and collected a handful of canon dates for the timeline from previous eps and come up with the following:
1989 – Jean Mettier dies (so the painting of Sophie from ”The Frame-Up Job” must have been made mid-80s, suggesting Sophie is born late 60s at the latest)
1997 – Beaten to stealing the Vermeer at the Louvre by the Jackal (The Jackal)
1997 – The Copenhagen job with Stark (Two Live Crew Job)
1998 – The Berlin Politic Job with Stark (Two Live Crew job)
1999 – Steals the David from the Vatican (”10 years ago” according to the First David Job in 2009)
2001 – Sophie and Nate meet for the first time (”Paris 7 years ago” according to the pilot in 2008)
2002 – The Duke DIES (”dear William gone these 8 years” in ”King George Job” 2010)
2003 – Sophie sees Astrid for the last time (”20 years ago” according to Redemption 2x12+13) and escapes Ramsey
2004 – Matevan fraud (mentioned in Harry Wilson Job)
So not only does that technically mean the Duke died BEFORE Sophie left him, that can be fudged with rounding a bit up or down, but:
Are we to believe that while she was married to the Duke, she was simultaneously running around Europe, stealing paintings and doing long cons, and flirting with Nate Ford? Would Ramsey really let her work with other crews like Stark so much? And when would she have time to amass all those caches of treasure? I mean, if she stole the David on Ramsey's order, would he really let her keep it??
I feel like it would make much more sense for the Ramsey time to have been late 80s/early 90s, give it a few extra years for the marriage to the Duke, and then she makes her break for it in say ~95 or so, and spends the next 10 years establishing herself as a grifter extraordinaire on her own terms, while the Duke slowly dies of a broken heart and drinking over a period of several years, rather than it being a quick process of a few months at most.
(Auntie from the King George Job says ”he never blamed you” and ”the drink helped” - I recruited someone unfamiliar with the show to watch that scene and give me a rough interpreted timeline, and they said 'it sounds like the blame thing was something they talked about many times over a longer period of time, so that he had ample opportunity to change his mind if he wanted, and that he was drinking but also had periods when he was doing better, so I would guess 4-8 years from the time Sophie left him until he died'. That was pretty much my initial interpretation of that scene as well, as far as I remember it.)
I am very interested to hear people’s takes on this, but unless someone has a very compelling argument I think I’ll headcanon that they meant 25-30 years instead. (Couldn’t they just have said ‘we haven’t see each other since Astrid was 10′ and left it vague instead???)
(Also, if anyone can add canon dates to this, please let me know and I’ll add them in! This was just off the top of my head times when I remembered them mentioning specific years for things.)
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thefirsthogokage · 1 year
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Well, a realization just hit me. Don't know if this is true of not, I don't remember the timing.
Eliot said he didn't hit cops in the OG show. Well now that makes sense. His dad is Black. What do Black parents teach their kids when it comes to dealing with the cops? Part of The Talk. Just do as they say, not that that always work.
He would have at least heard that talk with other foster kids, or teammates, if not given it himself.
And why would he stick to that? Because his dad was upset with him and he was still trying to be a Good Boy in one way.
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weirdfishy · 1 year
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the bucket job when alexadra and sophie are walking side by side, it sort of struck me as telling of their positions. idk if it was intentional but the way that theyʻre composing themselves is so different--
alexandra is throwing her body around a bit more- hips jut out a tad further to be entirely due to walking in heels, the way the dress bares her shoulders draws attention to the fact that sheʻs moving them with purpose, her legs come a little quicker and farther out --- and yeah reading body language as a tell-all is shit and ableist irl but these are actors and theyʻre playing a part so bear w me -- itʻs like sheʻs strutting like someone who is desperate to get somewhere but has to act cool about it and is failing. itʻs as if she has to inject herself with pride and confidence (sophie deveraux has quite the reputation). like alexandra is postulating, almost a marionette holding up its own strings in the face of a closed pair of scissors.
also, her clutch is also-ha-clutched in her hand the whole time, tight and stiff. + her still business-black symmetrical dress of an unforgiving yet flattering material & short, practical stilettos with the slightly widened base? itʻs almost exactly what we usually see on her - all black & not a single thing out of place- no jewelry sans earrings too, even for a social event. always business and never pleasure.
against sophie, who walks with a comfortable grace, her strides coming at a slightly more languid pace- sheʻs at ease here (arguably, she always is, at a party) and if sheʻs apprehensive at meeting with this woman-- well, you wouldnʻt catch sophie devereaux doing something like giving her true feelings away During A Con, now would you? (and then we donʻt really get her thoughts on alexandra this ep & i donʻt think we really do for the rest of the season...)
sophieʻs clutch, on the other hand, she waves hers around like an extension of herself, speaking with it and keeping it loose in her grip. (sophie is an actor, she uses the props she has on hand, always making it all seem intentional). + the soft material, muted green, asymmetrical dress sheʻs got on, with a fun and complimenting pale gold heels and clutch. we all know sophie is fashionable and loves dressing up (grifter/actress). sophieʻs business mixes with her pleasure.
thereʻs prob even more in the dialogue -- "you think iʻm scared of you" - "or youʻre jealous" sophie is almost flippant with it, as if she couldnʻt care less &
"i donʻt negotiate with amateurs" like theyʻre both used to the world theyʻre in, but sophie is quite a bit more comfortable where she is
ANYWAY though, obviously, since alexandra is a new character, iʻm making a lot more shot-in-the-twilight assumptions, and this dichotomy iʻm taking in could be the show leaning into the fact that sophieʻs been a character we know and love and alexandra is the complete opposite. idk their opposing walks just struck me an hour ago and spurred me to peer a lil closer
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zero-buds · 2 years
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Everytime someone says bring back Nate, I shiver with dread.
And for someone who's a really big fan of Nate, I really would hate having to see him come back to Redemption. I saw on a Facebook group I'm in where someone asked how Nate would react to the Jackal Job, and I remember thinking that Nate, the Catholic man, would either not be a supporter or simply not be able to empathize or participate in the con without prejudice.
Look, OG Leverage has a place in my heart for a reason, but I cannot justify bringing back Nate at all. Nate's story could never fit into Redemption for a variety of reasons.
OG Leverage took the experiences Nate had and made a point in every episode why the man does what he does.
OG Leverage was about revenge first and foremost, then doing the right thing after, then building something more.
You know the reason why the stories never mentioned the disabled, the LGBTQ+, or the plain old voiceless of immigrant communities (this one was touched on but not really)?
It's because it wasn't Nate's story to tell. The original message was, if you are in a position where you have been wronged, then you should have the power to make it right. You deserve a second chance. That's why he always dealt with the scammers, the rich white men, the corporate greed, etc. He always tried to give people a second chance from a dumb or honest mistake, or to right someone's wrong.
That's why the Black Book was so important by the end of OG Leverage. It closed Nate's story with the idea that what has been wronged will be righted even if it meant taking a less than legal approach by others who are willing to bring justice to light.
Redemption is not that story. I mean it is, but it isn't. Redemption is the story where those less fortunate, those who are inherently going to lose no matter what they do, get a voice. They deserve a say in how they are treated, and they, as much as the impoverish and the naive, can have the power given back to them.
It's shown with victims like the elderly, the disabled, the people of color, the young who don't quite fit the social norm, and the LGBTQ+ community.
Through Harry Wilson, Redemption also shows us that those with power, need to take responsibility for their actions.  It is not enough to fight those in power, but that people like Harry - who do have power, are vitally needed to change the system.
Redemption does not need to see Nate to accomplish this story, but the fact remains that the message Nate started is still here, if not more refined and nuanced than ever before.
Nate should not come back to Redemption because his story was told in OG, and now, a new story can begin where the crew can be expanded and fight for what's right as well as give every victim of an injustice, an opportunity to tell their story as well.
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faorism · 2 years
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OKAY SO THERES A LOT OF GREAT NEW STICKERS ON BRE’S COMPUTER (they replaced the one with a cat wearing a mask which i thought was hilarious since the plague didn’t exist in their universe presumably) AND I WAS GONNA GO THRIUGH THEM ALL BUT YALL
BREANNA HAS AT THE CENTER OF HER FUCKING COMPUTER THE ACE FLAG
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BRE IS ACE
Bre is lesbian and ace
BREANNA GODDAMN CASEY IS MOTHERFUCKING ACE
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4acesofspades · 1 year
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Okay, but one of the things that Leverage: Redemption does beautifully is not try to be something it’s not.  
And by that I mean it knows it’s not the original.  It knows there are gaping holes in its cast, it’s ten, twelve years removed from its original context, etc. etc. etc.  And it doesn’t try to pretend that none of that happened.  
The ongoing tension between Breanna and Hardison is an excellent example of this.  “I am not you.”  That is something the writers knew their audience may complain of when faced with a “replacement” for Hardison; she’s not Hardison, so she’s not good enough before they even give her a chance.  But by giving the character herself those lines, they are admitting that they’re not so comfortable with it, either.  They’re acknowledging they feel the loss, too.  Nobody is safe here. 
It’s similar on the leadership side of things.  Harry is not and will never be Nate.  For one, he’s much more stable.  But also, he’s just a completely different personality.  He and Sophie get along differently, Sophie has a different role here.  Instead of spending all of her energy trying to prevent an explosion, she’s able to burn a little herself.  
And the best thing they do for either one of them, I believe, is allow Sophie to grieve.  The character of Nate does not disappear with the closing of his coffin.  He lives on through his wife and their memories; he is a part of her.  And by doing this, Redemption acknowledges most deeply that Leverage will never be the same.  But it’s okay, because they still have each other.  
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my-beloved-lakes · 10 months
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I just now noticed the dirty/scolding look Sophie gives Breanna when Breanna asked if Eliot was off to kill someone in The Fractured Job. It was very subtle, but if you watch carefully it's there.
While I did think it was funny, her question also bugged me a little, even though I know she was joking, cuz it felt a little insensitive considering all the guilt Eliot feels about his past. But now that I think about it it actually kinda makes sense that she wouldn't understand how insensitive it could be. Like yes, she knows Eliot and she's known him for a long time. But she knows a different side of him than everyone else. She knew him as the cool, badass uncle who her older brother always brought to family gatherings and Christmas and stuff. She probably knows little snippets of Eliot's past but not enough to fully realize that her joke might be a little insensitive. (She would never intentionally be insensitive about it!) Eliot probably never let her see the guilt ridden side of himself because she's like his little kid niece.
Her joke didn't really seem to bother Eliot that much, but Sophie immediately shut it down and I love that. Because Sophie knows just how much guilt Eliot feels and she knows it's something that's caused him a lot of pain. And like Hardison said, they trust her to make sure they're okay. So even if Breanna's joke didn't actually bother Eliot, Sophie still felt like she needed to let Breanna know to back off a bit. And then Breanna did back off.
Idk what point I'm trying to make here but I thought it was an interesting little detail.
Edit: just in case it wasn't clear, (I should have made this more clear to begin with.) This is not a hate post about Breanna or even a criticism really! The way I see it, Breanna didn't know and had no way of knowing what she said would be insensitive because Eliot didn't let her know. That's what I was trying to get at. Eliot has been doing a very good job of shielding her from his past and she knows a different side of him than the others. I don't want negative things about Breanna said on this post (or any of my posts for that matter.) Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions but please don't put that sort of thing on my posts. If you have something negative to say about Breanna go make your own post please and thank you.
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wizardofahz · 15 days
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Saw a Criminal Minds gifset and suddenly started thinking about canon vs. fanon JJ.
TL; DR: Fanon JJ is the facade canon JJ puts on to hide trauma.
(This discusses JJ's sister, so content warning for suicide)
The obvious starting point for understanding JJ's characterization is her sister's suicide. That's a traumatic event for anyone, and even more so for an eleven year old child. So it's quite understandable that JJ decides she will do whatever she can to avoid experiencing hurt like that again.
In episode 3.17, JJ tells Will about their relationship, "I didn't want to tell anyone because the minute I do it becomes real, and when it becomes real, people get hurt, and I've always run from getting hurt. Always."
But JJ didn't only lose her sister.
In episode 14.12, JJ's mom admits, "I got so caught up in all my troubles that I forgot there was another little girl under my roof who had just lost her sister. You needed me, and I wasn't there."
At eleven years old, JJ was a traumatized child without a support system. So she learned to rely on herself. Other people were just avenues for hurt, and she decided that wasn't worth it.
All of which leads to this confession from JJ in the season 14 finale: "There are only four people I trust in this world."
My three non-negotiables are Will, Hotch, and Emily. The fourth is between Reid and Garcia, but I lean towards the former given Garcia's penchant for invading people's privacy.
Even if anyone disagrees with that list, there's not a lot of room for choice. At any given time, the BAU usually has seven members, and given the amount of turnover they've had, JJ hasn't learned to trust most of them.
Do they know that? They probably know her facade masks trauma, but I doubt they know the extent of it. There's a reason that episode starts with the team playing poker, and JJ showing Reid he doesn't know her as well as he thinks he does.
So let's talk about that facade. In contrast to Reid, who wears his trauma on his sleeve, JJ buries hers as deeply as she can. She takes care of the people around her, and while it's not disingenuous, it's part of a prettily painted reinforced fortress wall that says, "hey, look at me, such a put-together person that doesn't have problems of my own, so I can help with yours."
And it does the job because it has fandom fooled too.
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leverage-ot3 · 1 year
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at first you’d think eliot is gruff and manly and just a punchy-man, but he literally also lives to cause subtle chaos
this man says the most unnerving things to a mark for shits and giggles
this man literally took a bite out of a live snake to commit to the act
we need to embrace chaos gremlin eliot more
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wistfulwatcher · 1 year
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Leverage Redemption | 2.13 "The Crowning Achievement Job"
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greaseonmymouth · 1 year
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leverage s5 revised episode order
so it's my understanding that it's pretty much general consensus that s5 is setting up the ot3 endgame, showing us throughout the season how close they are and how well they work together and establishing their relationship the best way they can without the network realising, right? we see this in how they do historical episodes, always pairing Nate and Sophie but they've paired Parker and Hardison and Parker and Eliot, and in the present they've done Eliot and Hardison enough times. and so the finale, The Long Goodbye Job, is the final dot over the i to make that clear - Eliot, Parker, and Hardison die together in the fake scenario because anything else would be anathema, and they skip off into the sunset together as a three person Leverage team while Nate and Sophie skip off together as Out Of The Game, For Good
The Frame Up Job and The Rundown Job support this by showing us how well Eliot, Parker, and Hardison work together, how flawless a team (how thoroughly established an ot3) and by showing us Nate and Sophie as a thoroughly established married couple disgustingly in love and bickering and on the same wavelength
now I propose (and not just because of Eliot's haircut in The Rundown Job clearly indicating this episode should've come later in the season) that The Long Goodbye Job was not intended to be the series finale, and that The Frame Up Job and The Rundown Job were supposed to form a two-episode series finale directly following The Long Goodbye Job. soft epilogues, if you will
points to consider:
in both of those episodes, the other half of the team does not appear and is not even mentioned. it's not like the Girls / Boys Night Out episodes, where the episodes are mirrored and the team is working on related problems, and is then reunited at the end - these are entirely separate episodes featuring two independent teams
Vance to Eliot: "Hell, your girlfriend's already out of her cuffs." Nobody corrects him. Not Parker, not Hardison, and not Eliot. Ok this one doesn't prove episode order I just love this subtle ot3 confirmation moment
Sterling, to Nate and Sophie: "Now I know where you are. Call me. I'm hiring."
this was already funny as is, and we're presuming this is because Sterling hasn't found out where the team relocated to after Boston, but imagine if this is actually after The Long Goodbye Job? Sterling let them go. Nate pushed him and he came down on the side of thieves, and he let them go, and then couldn't find them but now he has and his frustration with the case and Nate and Sophie's casual disregard and the final 'I'm hiring'? It's been a couple of months since The Long Goodbye Job and this is the most fun Sterling has had in ages
but the ot3 half ok. so The Long Goodbye Job tells us that they die together and they live together, and they continue Leverage as a 3 person team. Give it a couple of months and they're in DC and they face a real life and death moment - and they live together.
and also, you get Eliot telling Vance "I work with them now" and then he limps bloodily off into the sunset squished between Hardison and Parker like the three of them are off to have some incredible sex
listen I just think season 5 makes so much more sense if we consider those two episodes as the episodes establishing the happily ever after epilogues after The Long Goodbye Job
also in Leverage: Redemption the very first episode we find out that Nate had a shady stash of paintings and materials and whatnot so what if that is actually a hint that Nate and Sophie did actually get back into the game, with Sterling, until Nate passed away and Sophie clocked out?
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soundsfaebutokay · 2 years
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Still not heroes. Still necessary.
BREANNA: Maybe we can't take on the world's bigger problems. SOPHIE: What we can do is help one person and then the next and then the next….
Okay, I know that these are soundbites with no context, but I'm just really excited by how much this trailer reveals about how self-aware Leverage: Redemption is, both the people making the show and the characters living in it.
Leverage has been yelling from the start that the system is rigged. It was designed from the very beginning to favor the rich and powerful, and it's only gotten worse. Alexandra Bligh came right out and said it in The Harry Wilson Job:
MS. BLIGH: The world has changed. We no longer manipulate the system. We are the system.
Yeah, we're all watching a silly little tv show, but that statement rang with truth you won't hear from pure fiction. It's something that's glaringly obvious from…well, everything. It's why Harry Wilson is all over the trailer still committing crime with the crew despite last his best intentions to go legit season finale. Because working within a corrupt system sometimes means that you have to cheat to win.
HARRY: My friends specialize in fixing problems that the system won't.
Yeah. They're not heroes. They're just necessary. And they will continue to be urgently, desperately necessary until true, substantial systemic change is achieved. I'm reminded of The Homecoming Job in Leverage S1 where a doctor who'd been fighting for resources to help disabled veterans stared in disbelief at a truckful of cash that the crew had just given her.
DR. LAROQUE: The world doesn't work this way. NATE: So change the world.
He didn't tell her, "We will change the world." Not even Nate Ford was that arrogant. That kind of change isn't something that can happen in the shadows. That kind of change has to take place out in the open light of day, where Leverage can't operate. It has to be led by people—like that doctor— who can withstand the glare of spotlights shining into every corner of their lives. Not thieves and conmen, redeemed or otherwise. Leverage isn't a long-term solution—they're a rescue operation. A dirty, dangerous, hands-in-the-muck kind of rescue operation. And while the heroes of the world are fighting for change, these bad guys turned good guys have work to do.
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applejuiz · 1 year
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I want to like Leverage Redemption… I want to like more Eliot backstory… but to briefly be a real big hater with critical thinking skills, that episode just ruined one of the most poignant scenes in Leverage and the essential truth of Eliot’s character: sometimes you can’t go back.
The end of ‘The Low Low Price Job’ is one of the shows best endings, because it doesn’t give the clean uplifting cheesy Hollywood ending that ties everything together neatly, the way Leverage used to avoid tropes and cliche for nuance and grounded emotional realism. Eliot goes home but there’s no reunion, no fight. There’s just nothing. His dad doesn’t answer the door. Is he ignoring Eliot? Is he dead? We don’t know, and maybe neither does Eliot. He doesn’t get any closure and he doesn’t get to go back home, even to visit. Because of his choices and actions, that door is still closed off to him, even though he’s made changes and is working on his redemption. He can show up again, but he can’t go back inside. Just like he can never be the person he was before. He lost that. But it was never supposed to be a complete tragedy. The grief is real and will stay with him, but his work with Leverage and his new family are worth the price of not being able to go back.
In a lot of ways it even mirrors the ending of ‘The Inside Job’ where Parker doesn’t get closure for her relationship with her ‘father’. Archie failed her in so many ways and never fully apologizes for it, can’t ever make up for it. At the end of the episode she’s still calling him sir. But the point is that he may not be able to offer her family or make up for the hurt he caused, but Parker gets to walk off with Nate, heading back to her new family that doesn’t fail her. (I similarly have beef with ‘The Last Dam Jon’ because of how it makes everything between them ‘fixed’ in a similarly neat, almost trite way. He suddenly is calling her his daughter and everything is great and all is resolved. We already had a resolution! She didn’t need that validation from him anymore!)
Redemption consistently forgets that the magic of the og series was the found family the characters built and how it offered them everything they wanted but couldn’t find elsewhere. So idk I just really didn’t like how this episode seems to throw all that out to say that no, of course, you can go back home and make everything alright and hear exactly what you’ve always wanted to hear from estranged family members, don’t worry about it. It just rang a little too hollow to me. Sometimes in life, you don’t get to go back. And I liked that Eliot didn’t get to go back home. Because the show used to make it very clear that despite that, he already had a new one.
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qwanderer · 1 year
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There have been so many moments in Leverage Redemption s2 that made me go “I love all these people so much I love this show so much” they started to leak out my ears and I couldn’t remember what they were, which happens often which is why I can usually only weave them together to make fanfiction on the rewatch. Will probably be rewatching slowly over the next few months and maybe picking up some threads.
I mentioned a couple things I remembered in other posts but here’s another: oh shit Eliot draws! Eliot can draw! Add that to the very long list of skills and hobbies he has.
But it’s also notable that as far as I could tell it isn’t something he was immediately amazing at, which is rare. Eliot in the original Leverage is usually doing something he’s either already good at or something where he had skills that could translate well to it.
I’ve been getting the impression in Redemption he plays more characters who are not necessarily people with skills he already has or can easily fake, and there’s also the drawing, which is not something he has to be doing or is necessarily the best at on the team. In fact of the OT3 it probably comes least natural to him as opposed to “Old Nate” Hardison or “I thought everyone could do that” Parker.
I’m going to be looking out for other clues but to me this sort of indicates that he’s branching out into doing stuff just because he might enjoy it or find it fun to try out, rather than needing to excel at everything. Because I think a lot of his younger years were really dominated by a need to excel at everything.
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faorism · 1 year
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i cannot put into words how much this had me and my friend cecil rolling. this was so fucking disrespectffffullll and so dirty of hardison like! like!!!! as if eliot hasn't prepared at least one app, three sides, and two desserts for every one of nana's cookouts for the last dozen goddamn years.
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