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getawayheaven · 2 years

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Babygate - A Repeated History

Disclaimer - I do not give a fuck about Woody Allen. I do not care about his image, his allegations, his cases or anything else. I am just covering up the topic of him being a biological father. So DO NOT ask me about anything else.

Note - The term fake fatherhood has never been used before and it will never ever be used even in the future, because this is something that happens behind closed doors and it never comes out in public. Even when fake pregnancies and fake parenthood is revealed, they just manipulate the story calling the parents or the child victim of circumstances and they end it by providing the true DNA test publicly.

Most of the people outside Larry fandom refuse to believe that fake fatherhood or fake pregnancies are real. To everyone else out there this is an extreme reach where we think that someone can fake fatherhood. People do not realise that Hollywood is a shithole and it's very easy to lie about pregnancies, DNA test, birth certificates, etc. Louis's situation is very very different from Woody Allen's but both have faked fatherhood for years. Here's what happened with Woody Allen-

Woody Allen met Mia Farrow in 1979, they began publicly dating in 1980.

In 1987 their family expanded and Mia Furrow gave birth to their son Ronan Furrow. In 1992 they split up. Nobody questions the fact that Mia Farrow is Ronan’s biological mother.

Woody Allen’s paternity of Ronan was never publicly questioned in the press at the time, and he raised him under the presumption that he was in fact the father. Thus he became Ronan’s legal father in the eyes of the law, regardless of what the factual truth might be. Woody Allen fathered Ronan. Paid child support for him for his whole childhood, legally Allen was Ronan's father.

Here is Woody Allen with his son Ronan

However, as Ronan grew into adulthood, more and more people came to suspect that Farrow’s ex-husband, Frank Sinatra, might have been the true biological father — including Allen himself.

Then in 2013 Mia Furrow mother of Ronan suddenly revealed in a Vanity Fair interview that Woody Allen might not be Ronan's real father and Frank Sinatra, Mia's first husband might "possibly" be her son's real father despite Woody Allen’s name on birth certificate. (Sounds Familiar? )

That is, the mother revealed after whole 26 years that the real father of her son can possibly be someone else and this whole time Woody Allen was playing the father of Ronan, he fathered him, legally, he paid his full child support. But at the end it turned out that Woody Allen is not even the real father of the kid.

There is suspicion even with regards to the birth certificate of Ronan. Allen was there for Farrow’s caesarian delivery of their son. But when he saw Satchel’s birth certificate, he was shocked again: His name, according to sources, was missing. “The doctors and nurses just forgot,” Farrow told him. Allen had to hire lawyers to put it on.

Now this case can be taken as by keeping Woody Allen in the positive light and saying that Mia cheated on him and she herself said that she and Sinatra never really broke up, hence poor Allen was betrayed and had no idea that he was being framed for fake fatherhood by Mia. And she wanted to hide her own infidelity.

But knowing that Woody Allen is a piece of shit and by keeping all the circumstances in mind it can be very easily said that all this drama of fatherhood was actually planned and had been fake since the very start.

It should also be noted that, despite being married three different times, over a combined span of over 30 years (comprising more than a third of his life), Allen has never managed to impregnate any of his wives. So it's totally possible that Allen knew this whole time that he was not the real father of this kid but he played along to hide his infertility.

And when Mia Furrow revealed that Allen might not be the real father, everyone gave such a mild response as if they knew it all along and it's no big deal.

Mia just dropped the news in 2013 in a Vanity Fair interview.

Ronan joked about it on twitter saying “Listen we’re all *possibly* Frank Sinatra’s son.”

Ronan was also asked about this on national TV “Now, what do you think your father would think about what you’re doing now?”

And he answered, laughing. “I didn’t want to give you the soundbite of ‘Which one?'”

And Allen said “In my opinion, he’s my child, I think he is, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it. I paid child support for him for his whole childhood, and I don’t think that’s very fair if he’s not mine.”

People started talking about The Frank Sinatra Paternity Theory, public started analyzing photos of Ronan with both Allen and Sinatra, and they realised that he resembles Sinatra a lot. People even started analyzing Mia's pregnancy timeline (how ridiculous this is because this was happening after 26 years of her pregnancy). Even Sinatra's family drew a pregnancy timeline of Mia. And it became public knowledge that Allen's name was missing from the original birth certificate because Mia was taking a host of steps to prevent his status as Woody Allen being the acknowledged father. And media started questioning both Sinatra family and Ronan that if Frank was secretly fathering him this whole time.

Ronan has always been super close to Sinatra's family. They said "He is a big part of us, and we are blessed to have him in our lives. We are family and will always be.”

Larry King said ‘This is Frank Sinatra’s son . . . He has a Frank Sinatra appeal, so it’s possible. Frank was always close to Mia. He stood up for her when the Woody Allen (divorce) happened. Frank stood up for you.”

Frank - Ronan - Allen

Then one must consider the fact that Ronan has never submitted to a paternity test to discover the truth, nor has he ever been encouraged to do so by his mother.

The fact remains that neither side offers evidence that is fully conclusive, and all sides have reason to lie or obscure the truth out of pride, spite or embarrassment.

Unless and until Ronan Farrow decides to take a paternity test, we may never know the true answer. Neither Allen nor Ronan wants any kind of DNA test and Frank is already dead. They all are comfortable in their own places even after this whole fake fatherhood scandal.

Despite any suspicions Allen may have had from the start, all indications were that he was a loving father to Ronan and fully supported him financially.

Here is full case study of Sinatra Babygate if anyone wants to study it deeply. X

This case itself reveals that it's so fucking easy to fake everything. When it comes to people at powerful positions who can do ANYTHING to make things convenient according to what they want, nothing is impossible. Call it a paternity scandal or another example of fake fatherhood, but this case shows that how celebs can fool people so easily.

The concept of fake baby became a joke after this. Like Katy Perry literally joked about her management suggesting her to have a fake baby.

“My management told me I should have a fake baby to increase the publicity and have more followers… This is Bella, sponsored by Fit Tea.”

The joke is lost on management here. But nothing can beat the reality. Here is how common it is for celebrities to fake pregnancies

The case of Louis is slightly different from the above mentioned cases. He's not doing it for hiding his infertility or for PR but rather this has been forced on him to hide his sexuality and for several other reasons that we already know. He has pissed off a lot of powerful people and this will definitely end one day but even then no one will fully accept that this was a case of fake fatherhood. They will just throw a DNA test one day because they have made it pretty clear since the very start that Louis never had any paternity test. HE DOES NOT NEED ONE. He TRUST Briana who he barely knew well to had a baby with and who defrauded her sugar daddy, which we famously know as boobiegate.

Closeting tactics are nothing but pre experimented strategies. It just depends which scenario they see fit to apply it again with slight variations.

#Babygate #bbg #larry #larry stylinson #briana #louis tomlinson #harry styles #woody allen #ronan farrow #boobiegate #closeting #fake fatherhood #dna test

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sunflowervoltwentyeight · 6 months

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Hi! This is a fic rec of my favorite fics involving sports. These fics are organized by word count from longest to shortest. You can view my other fic recs here. Enjoy!

Unbelievers by isthatyoularry / @isthatyoularry (136k)

It’s Louis’ senior year, and he’s dead set on doing it right. However, along with his pair of cleats, a healthy dose of sarcasm and his ridiculous best friend, he’s also got a complicated family, a terrifyingly uncertain future, and a mortal enemy making his life just that much worse. Mortal enemies “with benefits” was not exactly the plan.

Or: The one where Louis and Harry definitely aren’t friends, and football is everything.

Soft Hands, Fast Feet, Can't Lose by dolce_piccante (112k)

American Uni AU. Harry Styles is a frat boy football star from the wealthy Styles Family athletic dynasty. A celebrity among football fans, he knows how to play, he knows how to party, and he knows how to fuck (all of which is well known among his legion of admirers).

Louis Tomlinson is a student and an athlete, but his similarities to Harry end there. Intelligent, focused, independent, and completely uninterested in Harry’s charms, Louis is an anomaly in a world ruled by football.

A bet about the pair, who might be more similar than they originally thought, brings them together. Shakespeare, ballet, Disney, football, library chats, running, accidental spooning, Daredevil and Domino’s Pizza all blend into one big friendship Frappucino, but who will win in the end?

Oh Glory by alivingfire / @alivingfire (77k)

Tomlinson looks Liam over, tilting his head. “Are you a swimmer as well?”

“Yeah,” Liam says, a little cautiously. Harry wonders if it’s Tomlinson’s fame or the unimpressed eyebrow that’s making Liam wary. “Distance, I’m doing the 1500m. Harry here’s a sprinter.”

“Ah,” says Tomlinson, turning his glinting eyes back to Harry. “So you’re not an endurance man.” A beat passes, and his grin grows, wide and filthy. "Shame."

Harry Styles is Team Great Britain's newest swimmer, and has spent his whole life training for this moment, a chance at the gold medal in the Rio 2016 Olympics. All his training, hard work, and dedication to no distractions is tested when he's assigned to the same Rio apartment as Louis Tomlinson, British gymnast and Harry's childhood crush.

Summer's In the Air and Baby, Heaven's In Your Eyes by starryhaze / @starryhaze28 (71k)

“So we probably shouldn’t do this.” Louis says, and Harry knows he means staying like this, wrapped up in each other, and he nods, then lifts his head from Louis’ shoulder. His eyes are focused on the ground while he tries to will the tears away.

“We shouldn’t. I’m sorry Lou it’s just-“

“Hey it’s fine, baby.” Louis promises, gently rubbing this thumb over Harry’s cheek. Harry leans into the touch and blinks up at Louis.

“Not your fault.” Louis says, looking around before he presses his lips against Harry’s in a short but sweet kiss. “You’re like my dirty little secret now.” He grins wickedly and gives a wink, making Harry blush and bite his lip as he steps away.

⋆ .ೃ ࿔ *: ･

or a 70s tennis au filled with skirts, pet names and intrigue

On the Edge by zanni_scaramouche / @zanniscaramouche (47k)

Figure skating is as vital to Louis’ identity as his DNA, so when his skates go missing right before the last Olympics of his career there may be a meltdown only vanilla bath salts can fix. Well, that and the stupidly charming hockey player he met on the plane.

Harry’s too old to be the wonder kid and too young to be taken seriously in the NHL. As an alternate thrown in at the last second, he fights to prove himself on the national team at the largest sporting event known to man. Or he will, once he gets off this flight and can focus on something other than the fussy figure skater and his stunningly blue eyes.

A baggage mix-up skews both of their perfectly laid plans for gold, forcing the two to work together as the clock clicks towards the minute they’re expected to shine on centre ice.

The Boys of Summer by afirethatcannotdie / @afirethatcannotdie (45k)

“I mean…we’re gonna have to sneak around anyway, yeah? Like, with that whole rules thing that I guess we’ve decided to ignore. Might make it a little more fun this way.”

AU. In which Louis is a reluctant sports coach, Harry's a fellow counselor who wears tiny yellow shorts, and camp rules say they're forbidden to date.

Bloodsport by tofiveohfive / @tofiveohfive (40k)

“You know how our next game is against the Cardinals, right? You remember how vicious those guys can get. I wanted us to come up with some plays, maybe work on a block from the left—”

Louis stops when he hears a chuckle.

He doesn’t think he’s said anything particularly funny, so he turns to Harry, waiting for an explanation.

“‘S funny, ‘s all.” Harry throws his finished bottle somewhere near the other discarded ones. “This is the first time you’re talking to me in eight months, and it’s still about football.”

Be My Little Good Luck Charm by 100percentsassy (34k)

In which Harry is a promising amateur golfer making his debut at the PGA Championship, and Louis is a Sky Sports anchor who would really rather be commentating on footie.

The other boys are around too: caddy!Niall provides victory pints, Liam is Louis’s Very Serious co-anchor, and poor Zayn just gets his face drawn on.

But Me, I'm Not a Gamble by orphan_account (33k)

A Posh & Becks AU in which Harry is a star on the stage and Louis is a star on the pitch, but they're both inexplicably terrible at articulating their feelings. In the end, it only takes a season's worth of failed matchmaking schemes, platonic dinner dates, road trip holidays, and one very convenient David Beckham cameo for them to figure it all out. And if Niall knew all along? Well, he at least has the decency not to be too smug about it.

Swallow My Words by YesIsAWorld / @louandhazaf (32k)

Senior year is stressful. On top of balancing school work, family, and friends, Harry's lacrosse team is vying to win the state championship, he's not sure where he's going to college yet, and he has a secret boyfriend that no one can know about.

Part 1 of Swallow My Words

Player by jacaranda_bloom / @jacaranda-bloom (28k)

Louis’ job should be simple. Harry Styles, one of the top ranking tennis players in the world, is every publicist’s perfect client. He’s charismatic, enigmatic, and fit as fuck. The darling of the media, a national treasure, and a sponsor’s wet dream. He’s also a goofball with the kindest heart, sweet, and polite, and singularly focused on achieving his goals.

There are just two minor problems. Firstly, Louis’ debilitating crush on said client. And secondly, Harry has just accidentally Instagrammed a picture of his dick to his 18 million followers. So no, Louis’ job is anything but simple.

OR the one where Louis is Harry’s highly strung publicist and has a thing for his client, Harry is an international sports star and has a thing for his publicist, Liam and Zayn have a thing for each other, and Niall wishes everyone would just get their shit together.

You and Me Were Kings by orphan_account (28k)

harry plays football in a small town in west texas. louis might be the only person that doesn’t give a damn. au.

We Made These Memories for Ourselves by supernope (17k)

Breath held, Harry squints his eyes open and focuses on the first stick. A blue line. Harry breathes out an unsteady breath. He’s pretty sure he read that one blue line is a negative, but he fishes the box from the bottom of the pile just to make sure.

“Negative,” he confirms, voice echoing around the small room. “Next.”

Now that he’s feeling a little less shaky, he scans the rest of the tests at once, is met with a headache-inducing mixture of pink plus signs and blue double lines. His heart rate picks up until it’s pounding triple-time in the base of his throat and the pit of his stomach, thundering in his ears and throbbing in his temples. He flips over the rest of the boxes slowly, but he knows what they’re going to say before he even looks.

We've Got Nothing to Lose by iwontseecadyagain (12k)

“Oops!” A deep and slow voice fills Louis’ ears as an arm reaches around his waist, to keep Louis from rebounding into another white-outfitted body – this time a short young girl who could only be gymnast. “Hi,” Louis replies as he turns to smile up at the person and thank him for preventing Louis’ life from dissolving into a real-life game of Pong, but the words dry up in his throat when he sees.

The person is a boy, tall and lanky with curly brown hair pushed away from his face messily and held back by a gaudy Union Jack scarf, green eyes sparkling from all the camera flashes and impossibly pink lips curled in a wide smile that nearly encompasses his whole face.

And Louis recognizes him instantly. And he thinks that maybe if walking into the Olympic Stadium during the opening ceremony wasn’t enough, having Harry Styles’ arm around him might be the killing blow. Also known as an Olympics AU where Harry is a pro tennis player, and Louis is a pro footballer. They meet at the opening ceremony and fall in love, obviously.

We Should Get Jerseys by orphan_account (12k)

There’s a lot surrounding Harry, and Louis knows, in his heart of hearts, that there always will be. He just doesn’t know if he’ll manage to equate into the ‘always’ of it.

Harry is a hockey player, and Louis is his slightly melodramatic boyfriend.

And Darling I Will Be Loving You 'til We're 70 by orphan_account (11k)

“Well, you deal with the football team, and we’ll handle everything else,” Teddy answers. He sits up confidently and crosses his arms – Harry always tells them that believing in yourself is 90% of the job – with his head held high. Louis sees a flicker of determination in his eyes, mixed with a bit of mischief and youthful exuberance. It reminds him of himself, when he was younger and even now, 32 years old and married with four children. He’s really fucking grateful for the life that he lives and the kids that he has. (And his husband is pretty alright, or whatever.)

A canon spin on Posh/Becks where Louis coaches their daughter's football team for the very first time and Harry comes back from a summer working for Saint Laurent.

Part 1 of posh/becks au

#sports fic rec #larry fic rec #fic rec #sports au #sports au fic rec #category fic rec #hlcreators #read

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saintqueer · 2 years

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hello jordan. i hope you're doing well. it's been a while that i have sent you an anon ask. i used to be here a lot of times in 2021 but used to talk to you about bbg. i was fairly new and always had tooo many questions about bbg and you seemed be very very hopeful back in aug 2021 or around that time and it was good to talk to you. then shit went down with constant bbg push and ever since then till now i am quite confused about what the fuck is happening with Louis and his stunts. i am quite tired and i did notice that you are too. you aren't as active as you used to be. i hope everything is fine and you are happy and healthy.

i dont dig into these things these days but i saw the dm discourse and all this time even after everything that happened with bbg in 2021 up till now, i was hopeful it's leading towards the end but this is so disturbing and has been for a while with the way tomlinsons are being with F (Lottie pregnancy video also had mentions of F). I will never believe he his kid until and unless i get the positive dna test but i can't make anything out of it than we have been pushed under the bus again and it's a never ending circle.

i also read on a discourse that maybe louis wants us to believe he's his kid now. the way he's trying too hard but that just breaks my heart for the same boy who fought so hard and was able to not participate in this for four years is now okay to play dad roles all of a sudden. like that would be so bad. altho i agree that he made a conscious decision regarding what ever is happening with him and nobody is forcing him to do this on this level (like lot of blogs).

i liked your opinions on bbg always. they seem to console me. if you want to pls share your genuine opinion on why it's happening now? and where do you think things are leading?

because honestly i am only here till lt2 comes out and if things aren't better i am swearing on myself this shit is not worth my time. i would honestly just disappear in the general crowd of people who listen to their songs and then forget about them.

ps: did you get the job you were talking about? I think it's been few months since i last checked on you. also saw your new house, it's amazing. congrats!

this is such an amazingly articulated message, anon! i'm so happy you came back to talk.

first, thanks so much for asking about me! i am feeling so much more hopeful in my personal life rn. i got the job in a contract position and will move to salaried once the hiring freeze lets up in the company. getting out of my roommate situation has changed so much for the better just in the last week or so. i don't know what is going on with you, but i hope you are happy and healthy!

okay, onto the meat of it. yes, i was so hopeful. i mean i was cheekily so sometimes. like i didn't actually always think babygate was gonna "end today" but i did have hope it could still end by lt2.

anyways, i stopped engaging on tumblr as much because of many things, not just personal. ive become frustrated with the state of the fandom and i also just got more and more confused by HL's actions. i didn't have patience for the discourse and the clout-chasing and the biased opinions (i know i'm not immune to those things). basically ive still been very tuned in but just in private, on discord. i engage a lot still with their content but just in private because the fandom felt so different. i tend to know generally what the "fandom discourse" is on any given day but i'm a lot more detached because there are very few takes i can fully agree with anymore.

ive been very confused as to everything that has gone down since, i would say, April of 2021. and ive felt very conflicted by HL's choices since this past winter. i don't have the same interest in theorizing or expecting change as i once did because i don't see a particular pattern anymore. HL's motivations appear to be different and i'm not sure what to make of it.

as to the discourse... yeah those dms were something and that discussion blog is...um...ok....lol...

for me, the attacking of larries is not a matter of "he has done it before and it's to be expected". it's a matter of: it is 2022 and this is playing into his homophobic image which is no longer necessary for his closet and unhelpful for his career in current society. this isn't 2011 anymore. i know he did the same in 2017 but like??? he has left Syco, he had a tour filled with rainbows, he has young 14 and 15 year old queer women who look up to him. for me, there aren't excuses for specific things that have been done in the last two years. for both harry and louis. i feel conflicted about both of their actions in equal measure.

i agree about the apparent lack of fighting tbh. things feel wildly different than 2020. something has changed and i'm not sure what it is. it does feel like something happened that kicked off this extreme change in energy around spring 2021. as my friend Brenda says, it feels like we are missing a piece of the puzzle. that being said: it's been going on so long and it's gotten so bad and relentless that very little feels fun anymore. even compared to the start of louis's tour, something feels off. HL are less loud and less combative and less rebellious and even moreso since february 2022. even the larriebaiting we've gotten since then feels more passive and subdued.

i've gone through many emotions watching it all with my friends from angry to sad to heartbroken to apathetic. i've gone crazy enough to be reading them with my tarot deck on the regular, trying to make sense of why they've been doing what they are doing.

nothing will ever convince me out of what i know yo be true. nothing will ever convince me that louis is the father of freddie. even if he got himself a positive pat test, briana was never pregnant. nothing will ever convince me that their het images are real. for me, it's just becoming a question of how much i engage. i always felt appreciated and loved and connected as a fan even when shitty things happened. i cannot say i feel that way anymore. sometimes it feels like they want a shift in the fandom and i don't want to be in a place where i feel unwanted. this might mean i don't buy merch anymore or i only get one copy of the album or i don't engage in content creation anymore. i'm not totally sure what it means but if things keep up as they have the last year, i probably won't re-engage.

to answer your question of what i think this is leading to: fuck if i know. it's starting to feel like nothing. we could wake up next week to find out all this bullshit was leading to a custody case where louis ends it and then we get leaked pics of HL kissing during the dwd premiere ruining olivia's whole career. OR this could go on and on and we have to put up with louis using a full on child who is old enough to understand what's happening and has been exploited by his own family for promo of his new album while an independent artist and watch harry get engaged to olivia to sell a shitty movie advertised as all about female pleasure when's it really about hostage and rape. i just don't know anymore because everytime i thought they had a plan and a direction they were moving in, it just got worse.

to be perfectly clear: i'm always gonna love these two boys from the bottom of my heart. they are imperfect and have made many mistakes but i still love them. i'm never gonna doubt what i know about them up to this point. i'm always gonna think they are gay heroes intheir own right. i still believe they have been misled and are being talked into things by greedy and corrupt execs and managers. i'm never gonna think louis is a dad and i'm never gonna think harry is a womanizer. i'm gonna continue listening to their music. i am gonna buy lt2 (but tbh if bg ended, id buy five copies instead of just the one). i'll likely never stop keeping an eye on them even if from a greater distance. BUT i believe the mistreatment of the gay subset of this fandom has grown and has become less acceptable over time as they have gained more say in their promo strategies. i won't put an immense amount of effort and time and money into a fandom where i am constantly gaslit and made out to be insane. at the end of the day, no matter how fond i am of them and the way they fought, they are two extremely privileged white rich people who have been in this very fucked up industry since they were teens.

i hope that answers your questions. i know i really went on there but louis and his stunts make no sense to me and have not for a while. nor his social media activity. i think he could be scared and making really dumb decisions out of fear of losing the success he has had. but, of course, i really have no clue at the end of the day. in my opinion, he is being nowhere near as transparent as he once used to be.

sorry if there are a billion typos, i just typed this all out in one go on my phone lol

#in case anyone else was wondering where i'm at with all of this #this is the basic summary #obviously how i feel is even more nuanced and intricate #but yeah i'm keeping up and i don't think things are good or will become magically good anytime soon #love you all tho and im still gonna be here and around #anon

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Hey :) I just went through your boobgate tag, and it's so insane. how can anyone still think that louis is a dad? because i remember seeing this all over my social media and at that point i knew maybe two 1d songs and had no idea who the hell louis tomlinson was, let alone anything else about him or his life. but reading about this left me thinking "either this man is very naive, very stupid or something else is going on". it's actually what got me into larry as a whole. it was just too bizarre. i wish they would have run with it and ended it then and there

Yeah, I honestly have no idea what happened there. We all really thought they were leading up to Louis “taking a DNA test” and babygate being done. But I think Louis must have paid the guy off to drop the case and then stepped in and took more control over things because Briana was just running around like a fool putting everyone in jeopardy. IIRC not long after boobgate was when we started seeing Louis with the kid again. 🙃

#boobgate #babygate

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zot3-flopped · 1 year

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https://easydna.co.uk/knowledge-base/one-direction-paternity-dna-test/ and the original press info https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/one-direction-louis-tomlinson-briana-jungwirth-baby-88849/ So TMZ was lying - of course. There you go. Official proof that Louis did a DNA test from official company website.

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twelvedaysinaugust · 2 years

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I looked up California law. Paternity can be disputed and disestablished via court hearing (and possibly less if other parent cooperates). There’s no deadline. And names can be removed from birth certificate as well through a court order. Was there a birth certificate shown to fandom? Or a certificate of live birth? Also, wasn’t it established that there is no custody arrangement? Which seems like parentage was not established because there would be child support and custody arrangements. I don’t know all the ins and outs of babygate - probably no one does but the people involved.

You don’t need to answer me. I just wanted to let you know what’s possible.

While Louis has been in Freddie’s life, I don’t think we can know what that relationship is or how frequently they see each other.

This is fascinating and also horribly messed up.

One other thing: did you know Stanley Tucci started following a Freddie fan account on Instagram after Gemma interviewed him? What is that about?

I will respond to this anon (and possibly one other), but bbg does not spark joy.

I have read California family law so much that now I’m getting ads like: “Are you a single mom in CA needing more child support from your baby daddy?” To the best of my understanding:

Yes, a birth certificate was shown to fandom. Louis’ name is on it, as well as Briana’s. It says certificate of live birth, but that’s what they all say. For Louis’ name to be on there, he would have to sign a voluntary declaration of paternity, aka a VDOP.

Here is what the state of California says about VDOPs:

“When someone signs the declaration of parentage or paternity, that person is giving up important rights in the process of establishing parentage. If you sign a declaration of parentage or paternity, you are giving up the right to:

A trial in court to decide the issue of parentage;

Genetic (DNA) testing;

Notice of any hearing on the issue of parentage;

The opportunity to present your case to the court, including the right to present and cross-examine witnesses; and

A lawyer to represent you.

IMPORTANT! Once parentage is established, it can be difficult or impossible to undo — even if genetic testing later show that the father is not the biological parent of the child.”

Submitting a form within 60 days effectively cancels a VDOP, no questions asked. After that 60 day time window closes, there is a two year period where the VDOP can be challenged in court, but one parent must prove they signed the VDOP because of fraud or duress. This can be very difficult to prove.

However, a VDOP holds all the legal weight of establishing paternity through the courts (i.e. with a paternity test). So, I actually don’t think a DNA test would be required at this point for Louis to demand a better custody arrangement. I think there are other reasons why he’s avoided that.

As another anon suggested, we don’t know how Freddie sees Louis (maybe like an uncle, family friend, etc.) But that seems kind of irrelevant when Louis is his legal father.

And yes, I’m aware of Stanley Tucci following Gemma’s eyewear line and then a Freddie Tomlinson fan account.

#babygate #the one doodle that can’t be undid

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ssimay · 3 years

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bitches really be thinking that shit huh

#babe..........if louis and his lawyer were so bothered by this “conspiracy theory” he'd already have a dna test result under his hand #OR if louis cared for his “kid” he'd have a dna test result under his hand too because you need one to get you know....custody #like normal people do <3 #oh surprise surprise louis i tweet about a leaked song immediately tomlinson ain't got any of that #but every rich parent with a pregnancy scandal do #oh wow...damn so shocking #dont come around talking to me about kaylor and blogs being taken down blah blah and louis' lawyer took down tellmethisisnotlove blah blah #he ain't even got a dna test he's not suing blogs or threatening tumblr lmaoooo #s #anygays #discourse tw

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🏅 Oh Glory by @alivingfire (21k) | Explicit

Harry Styles is Team Great Britain’s newest swimmer, and has spent his whole life training for this moment, a chance at the gold medal in the Rio 2016 Olympics. All his training, hard work, and dedication to no distractions is tested when he’s assigned to the same Rio apartment as Louis Tomlinson, British gymnast and Harry’s childhood crush.

🏅 Small Doses (Loving You It's Explosive) by @becomeawendybird / QuickedWeen (38k) | Explicit Louis Tomlinson finds himself at Vitality Fitness to try and turn his life around after having left his cheating boyfriend of four years. The gym's owner, Liam, quickly becomes a good friend, but his right hand man is rude and dismissive from the get-go. Louis and Harry continue to clash all while Harry is trying to move his way up the ranks in Manchester's amateur boxing circuit, but they can't seem to stay away from each other. Part 1 of Small Doses

🏅 On the Edge by zanni_scaramouche (47k) | Explicit

A baggage mix-up skews both of their perfectly laid plans for gold, forcing the two to work together as the clock clicks towards the minute they’re expected to shine on centre ice.

🏅 One for Luck by @leavingonatrain (96k) | Explicit

The very first time Louis remembers hearing Harry Styles’ deep, deep voice, he’s just won gold at the World Equestrian Games and he’s officially back on Great Britain’s Olympic team. He’s also three sheets to the wind, drunk on victory and champagne, and there��s a gorgeous boy whispering in his ear. Life’s grand.

(AU: Louis and Harry are professional riders on the British Olympic team.)

🏅 run away home by @hattalove (106k) | Explicit

Louis stands, in the middle of a clearing with his hands in his pockets, and stares. This boy—God, this gorgeous, gorgeous boy. He seems so clumsy, confused at the best of times, but there’s a wisdom about him as he speaks, a maturity that belies his age.

Louis is hopelessly, wildly attracted to him.

or, louis is a successful jockey down on his luck, struggling to get his life back on track after an injury. harry has a horse, a house fit for a prince, and a broken heart.

it takes them a while to figure out that they need each other.

🏅 Learning to Breathe by @youcomecrash (110k) | Explicit

He’s playing football at one of the top universities in England and he should love everything about his life right now, but instead he’s moving backwards. How does your past fit into your present? Louis is still figuring it out.

🏅 The Finish Line (Is A Good Place For Us To Start) by @ LoadedGunn (121k) | Explicit

Louis Tomlinson, one-time Formula 1 World Champion, is looking forward to the 2013 season. He’s got Zayn in his garage and Liam in his ear, he’s got Cowell Racing backing him despite former indiscretions, he’s got experience and the best race car out there. Not to mention he’s the only racer they have, after Oliver dropped out late last year.

It hasn’t occurred to him that Oliver would have to be replaced by February. That is, until he finds himself at a party celebrating Harry Styles leaving Ferrari for Cowell. Harry hotshot Styles, who broke a record last year and is probably looking to make a big splash. Harry Styles, who is talented and somewhat intimidating. Harry Styles, who left Ferrari for reasons unknown and seems kind of lonely and harmless in person. Lonely, harmless, hot as fuck. Whatever.

The first thing Louis does is take him under his wing. From there it’s nine months of slow-burning romance, the past catching up to them, turning into the human puppy pile that is OT5 and a lot of feelings until, of course, reaching the finish line.

🏅 pray for some sweet simplicity by @delsicle (237k) | Explicit

Louis is the only omega to ever make it in the cut-throat world of competitive motorcycle racing—that is, he would be if anyone actually knew about his identity. Now, his sights are set towards competing in—and winning—the European Grand Prix, the biggest and most difficult race of the entire year, so he can disappear underground for good. He’s close enough, too, until an alpha sports journalist is assigned to follow Louis’s every move as he prepares for the event of his career.

Or, an AU where motorcycle racing is the biggest sport in a heavily divided world, Louis is trying to take control of his own destiny, and Harry is in for more than he bargained for.

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Babygate Analysis/Conclusions: A Non-Larry Perspective

(Image Credit: Hollywood Life)

I'm prefacing this post with a few disclaimers:

After some consideration, I chose to write this without factoring in Larry whatsoever. No Larry-related points, proof, or speculation in any way. This is solely analyzing babygate from an unbiased perspective.

I don't claim to know the entire truth. It is impossible for any of us to know. What I conclude is based on direct evidence, circumstantial evidence, research, and analysis.

I am willing to discuss opposing views. I’m happy to talk about the topic in a civil, kind, and mature matter. I will dismiss any discourse that is aggressive, immature, and so on.

I did not include every single opinion/conclusion/piece of evidence I found. I condensed my thoughts as much as possible (and this is still a novel-length post). There are so many more points I can think of. However, babygate masterposts cover all of that; I’ll link to some of those at the end.

The conclusion points aren't in a very specific order. I aimed to list related points one after another. Aside from that, it's not in order of "hardest to weakest" evidence.

Please read “Author’s Notes” for additional clarity/input. They interject thoughts/etc. that I feel are necessary to include.

Lastly, I included links to every source I cited in this post. However, I did not tag the Tumblr users. I’m not sure if they are comfortable with having Babygate questions/comments directed to their blogs. If you are a linked source and want to be tagged, please let me know!

My Initial Reaction To Babygate

In February of 2020, I received several messages on LateToLarry requesting that I analyze something called “babygate”. I had no idea what babygate meant at the time.

I learned what it meant, and prior to any research I felt the theory was so absurd. I also felt uncomfortable analyzing it because I believed I’d feel bias as a single mom. The idea of discussing a random child in depth initially bothered me, too. I declined to analyze it last year.

However, I did a LOT of research over time. My opinion has changed significantly. Below, I’ve shared my main conclusions and analysis about babygate. Thank you for reading and I hope you enjoy my post!

1. No Paternity Test Was Performed Prior To The Pregnancy Announcement

Louis was/is a prominent celebrity and has a current net worth of $70 million. From legal, financial, and practical standpoints, it makes no sense for him to choose not to get a test.

It’s unheard of in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. Any sensible team -lawyers, PR reps, managers, advisors, etc. - would not just go along with it. They are employed to protect his career and image.

The Opposing Views

A. “Briana/Louis didn’t want to risk miscarriage with prenatal testing.”

Non-invasive testing is completely safe for fetuses and pregnant women, so there’s no medical reason for the lack of testing.

B. “Louis chose not to get the test done because he wanted to be a father and was invested in the pregnancy/parenting.”

Time has shown that this is not true. Louis does not have custody; there was a brief custody case in 2016 that led nowhere. He does not have a consistent or prominent role in the child’s life.

Conclusion

There is no logical reason for the lack of paternity testing prior to the announcement unless Louis knew he was not the father and all parties knew this to be true.

2. There Was No Confirmation Of A Paternity Test After The Birth

I’ll keep this section fairly short. A quick Google search returns dozens of conflicting reports. Many of them state that Louis demanded a paternity test shortly after birth. Other reports state that he has never pursued a paternity test.

Here are a few examples:

“Louis Tomlinson not interested in paternity test” - Business Standard

“EXCLUSIVE: Louis Tomlinson Demanded a DNA Test “As Soon as the Baby Was Born”” - InTouch Weekly

“Louis Tomlinson: No DNA Test Needed ... Positive Freddie's His Son” -TMZ

“Louis Tomlinson & Briana Jungwirth: WhyHe Had DNA Test Done on His Newborn Son” - Hollywood Life

This Twitter thread discusses TMZ reports that - as of 2020 - no DNA test was done.

Conclusion

There is no reliable confirmation that Louis pursued a paternity test. The media cannot come to a general/factual consensus.

Again, there is no reasonable explanation for the lack of paternity testing unless Louis knows he is not the father of the child.

3. The Conception-To-Birth Timeline Is Inconsistent/Unreliable

Pregnancy and conception as a whole can be rather confusing; timelines from conception to birth are unique to each person. Having said that, Briana’s timeline is full of glaring inconsistencies that don’t add up.

I’ll begin with this timeline based on bulletprooflarry’s post and my own research. Dates I’ve added myself include linked sources:

May 5th, 2015 - Louis and Briana were first seen together in public.

May 6th to May 31st, 2015 - Briana and her mom followed baby-related social medial accounts.

May 12th, 2015 - Louis and Briana were pictured together in public.

July 3rd, 2015 - Louis is seen with Briana’s brother in Hollywood.

July 14th, 2015 - The first pregnancy report is published.

August 4th, 2015 - Louis confirms pregnancy on GMA.

January 21st, 2016 - The child is reportedly born.

Based on the dates above, these are the possible dates/milestones for her pregnancy:

Scenario A - If conception occurred on May 5th, Briana was 37 weeks and 2 days pregnant on January 21st, 2016. This is considered an early-term birth and about 26% of births occur at 37 weeks.

Scenario B - If conception occurred on May 12th, Briana was 36 weeks and 2 days pregnant on January 21st. This is considered a late-term or late premature birth and about 10% of births occur at 36 weeks.

These dates matter because Briana’s alleged hospital stay was not consistent with a premature or early-term birth. She was pictured in public - healthy and holding a baby carrier - within one week of giving birth.

(Image Credit: Daily Mail)

(Image Credit: larrysbbrbb28)

If she gave birth based on the dates above, it’s extremely unlikely that she or the baby would be out in public so soon.

Below are screenshots of an additional timeline from an archived Tumblr post. It provides excellent points about more timeline inconsistencies:

The main inconsistencies and red flags are bolded in the post. It supports the unreliable conception timeline, and it also mentions my next point - the official pregnancy announcement.

The post above mentions that the Jungwirth family followed baby-related accounts before Briana could possibly know she was pregnant. Here’s one screenshot from skepticallarrie proving it:

I’ve also seen several posts that show inconsistencies with the size of Briana’s baby bump. Unfortunately, the most reliable post no longer exists. You can view a web archive of Briana’s pregnancy photos, but most of the image links are broke.

The only post I have saved is a web archive of a long babygate post. The beginning of the post contains photos showing discrepancies in the size of Briana’s baby bump.

The Opposing Views

“Pregnancy looks different on everybody, everyone recovers differently, etc.”

Yes, this is true and a valid point! As a woman who has gone through multiple pregnancies and two live births, I truly understand this argument.

However, the sheer amount of inconsistencies are what make this a red flag. There are too many unreliable and contradicting points to brush this off. It goes beyond the point of “well, each person has a different experience”.

Conclusion

There are a few conclusions/scenarios I believe you can draw from the information above:

Briana was pregnant prior to meeting Louis.

Briana was never pregnant in the first place.

Both are valid to consider, but I personally believe she was never pregnant.

(Author’s note: My calculation for dates are based on the date of alleged conception. Most due date calculators, by default, use the date of a woman’s last mentrual period - LMP - to provide estimations.

I also used Date Duration Calendar for my calculations. Accessible due date calculators only allowed me to input dates from 2019/2020. Depending on the tools and dates you use, your mileage may vary.)

4. The Announcement Itself Was Highly Unusual

This point ties into the first and third points. I don’t consider it a major piece of evidence, but it’s noteworthy due to the other points.

So, there are a few reasons why the Good Morning America announcement stands out.

A. If Briana got pregnant on May 5th, then she was approximately 10 weeks pregnant when the first pregnancy report was published. This also means she was approximately 13 weeks pregnant at the time of the GMA announcement.

If Briana got pregnant on May 12th, she was approximately nine weeks pregnant at the time of the first report and approximately 12 weeks pregnant at the time of the GMA announcement.

B. The public announcement on Good Morning America raises a lot of questions. I’ve had multiple issues embedding the video; the bolded link takes you to the GMA announcement on YouTube.

Anyways, these questions/thoughts - disregarding any Larry theories - come to mind when watching the video:

This is a segment for promoting/discussing their album/music.

The baby announcement is the sole non-album/music related topic that is mentioned during the segment.

The announcement is not organically worked into the segment as a natural talking point.

Louis’ reactions - such as bringing the microphone to his lips and not talking - is very unlike his standard interview demeanor.

The male interviewer and the band members have noticeable facial expressions and body language that suggest discomfort, stress, or awkwardness.

A post by skepticalarrie draws similar conclusions. Her post is much more detailed than mine, and I highly recommend reading/viewing it.

(Author’s Note: I’ve touched upon this on LateToLarry and will make a post here eventually, but body language and facial expressions are valid. They’re valid to the point that they are used in court cases.)

Conclusion

My conclusions here are twofold. One is that:

Announcing a pregnancy - especially a celebrity-related pregnancy - this early is extremely uncommon and unlikely.

The announcement itself seems out of place and very forced.

This particular point, to me, is not extremely strong evidence. I still think it’s worth keeping in mind and is relevant to other points here. So, I’ve included it either way.

5. Briana Posted Stolen Pregnancy/Baby Photos On Social Media

(EDIT: I wrote this piece before the recent release of Briana’s alleged ultrasound and don’t have time to add it. It’s pretty strong proof and can easily be found in recent babygate posts.)

Babygate posts often point out that Briana and the Jungwirth family used stolen/fake pregnancy and baby photos on social media. It’s a well-known topic that’s often discussed.

I’m condensing this section to a few examples. I encourage additional research if you’d like to see more.

A. This Tumblr post shows stolen baby bump photos that Briana’s cousin Ashley posted on Twitter:

B. This Tumblr post and Twitter post show a stolen baby photo that Briana posted on Instagram:

(Author’s Note: Since I was not active in the fandom at the time, I am relying on information from other blogs and social media posts. I vetted my sources pretty well, but any false information is my own mistake.)

Conclusions

The only word that sums this up is “suspicious”. Using stolen photos of a pregnant woman/baby is not necessary if you are legitimately pregnant. That’s really what it boils down to. It lends to the conclusion that Briana was never pregnant.

6. Photos And Videos Of The Child Are Heavily Altered And Manipulated

It is indisputable that many photos and videos of the child are heavily manipulated to alter his appearance. This goes beyond filters, lighting, and angles.

Several detailed posts show the manipulations; here are some examples:

A web archive of all Photoshop evidence from tellmethisisnotlove

An in-depth post from genuineconspiracy that includes detailed photo evidence.

A video post from freefreddiereign that shows Photoshop evidence based on photos the child.

There is no doubt that his facial features are frequently altered. This is easy to conclude using any free software that detects Photoshop. As a photographer myself, I can easily spot the manipulations.

(Author’s Note: I know that directly discussing the child is controversial. When I first heard of babygate, my initial reaction was discomfort about analyzing a child.

I quickly learned/concluded that his family members are responsible for heavily putting him in the public eye. All content I’ve used for research is based on the family’s posts.

Still, I have personally chosen not post pictures of the child, but the links I am sharing contain photos/videos of him.

Additionally, I used FotoForensics on photos of myself prior to writing this. It was important to me to feel absolutely certain about this point. I’m fine with sharing my own FotoForensics images if anyone is curious.)

The Opposing Views

A. “Freddie looks like Louis in pictures that aren’t Photoshopped.”

Parentage cannot be based on whether or not a child looks like his mother/father. I understand the viewpoint, but it’s simply not evidence. Additionally, thinking the child looks like Louis is a matter of opinion.

There’s also the fact that appearance means nothing overall. Science backs up this statement very well. Examples and references:

“How can children from the same parents look so different?” by HowStuffWorks

“My Baby Looks Nothing Like Me: A Genetic Explanation” by FamilyEducation

Additionally, here is a personal anecdote. I have two sons close to Freddie’s age. One of them looks exactly like his father and nothing like me. The other looks exactly like me and nothing like his father. Despite how they look, they are both of them are our biological children.

Conclusion

There is no reasonable explanation for altering the child’s appearance - particularly to make him look more similar to Louis.

I cannot think of a single argument as to why the Jungwirth family would do this unless they need/want the child to look a specific way.

7. Johannah Deakin’s Official Obituary Does Not Mention The Child

When looking into babygate, I read the argument that the child is legitimately Louis’ son because he is listed as her grandchild in Internet-based obituaries and announcements.

I also read the counter-argument that Louis’ mother’s official newspaper/print obituary does not mention the child. I recall seeing proof, but I did not save it at the time. I did some research and this appears to be true.

The Doncaster Free Press is a local weekly newspaper in Doncaster, and it published an article about the funeral. The article is NOT an obituary itself, but it does list her obituary details. The publication does not list the child among the surviving family members.

If a mistake is made regarding these details, it’s typical for newspapers to post a correction addressing a misprint. Upon further research, the Doncaster Free Press did not issue a correction at any time.

(Author’s Note: I lost my own mother and am personally familiar with how local obituaries are written. Immediate family members - i.e. spouses and adult children - provide information regarding surviving family members.)

Conclusion

The conclusion here is straightforward. Louis and his family chose not to include the child in his mother’s official obituary. This strongly suggests that he is not legitimately related to Louis.

My Opinion-Based Conclusions

Update: After some consideration, I am saving my opinion-based conclusions for a separate post. I originally intended to include them here; transparency is important to me.

Unfortunately, the section became rather long and took away from the main post points. So, I’ll be working on a post that’s just my opinion-based conclusions. In the meantime, feel free to message me with any questions.

Final Thoughts

If you’ve made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read my post! I appreciate the interest expressed for it, and I hope it lives up to expectations.

Again, I want to reiterate this is:

Not an all-inclusive post; I narrowed down my findings to seven points.

Not a masterpost on babygate.

Purposely omitting any potential Larry-related points to remove bias.

I’ve reread this quite a few times, and it’s as error-free as possible. If you spot any mistakes/errors, I’m completely open to making corrections. Just kindly let me know.

This list contains references/research about babygate that I consider the most reliable. It includes Larry and non-Larry related Babygate content.

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by Tumblr use genuineconspiracy.

A web archive of babygate posts by Tumblr user tellmethisisnotlove (her account was deactivated by staff).

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by darkrainbowlouis.

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by skepticalarrie.

Lastly, if there’s interest in an opinion-related post or Larry-related post, I’ll consider writing them. Feel free to let me know as you all did with this post.

Thanks!

Amy (obviouslygenuinely/latetolarry)

#babygate #bg #louis tomlinson #briana jungwirth #freddie Tomlinson #baby tomlinson #end it #larry #larry stylinson #analysis

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TMZ Timeline

This masterpost belongs to tellmethisisnotlove (@tellmethisisnottumblisnextfuckup) who authorized me to post it. All credits go to her.

The rest of the Masterposts

Masterposts in Docs

Jan 22: I just had the first 1D baby!

Jan 22: Hands-on daddy jetted to L.A. for birth - Sunglasses Hut papping

Jan 26: I got my baby mama a modest home and child support is on the way

Jan 27: 1D baby’s first outing

Jan 27: Check out my kid - first pic of 1D baby

Jan 28: Picking 1D baby name was… fair & balanced fight

Jan 29: Louis Tomlinson’s son master of his own domain

Feb 1: Perks of daddydoom - my baller crib to raise kid

Feb 3: No DNA test needed - positive Freddie’s his son

3 WEEKS SILENCE

LAST WEEK:

With BOLDED the NEW events, as you can see the non-bolded is during Oscars weekend, but they were not quiet at all, they still wanted people to remember the Tomlinson story.

Feb 25: James Corden: and here’s the one who gets outed on TMZ.

Feb 25: covering the story of sitting next to Perrie – TMZ staff meeting

Feb 26: Louis Tomlinson: custody fight, baby mama won’t let me see my kid

Feb 26: Louis Tomlinson – Custody war settled: I get the baby, for a price.

Feb 26: TMZ meeting: One Direction: Custody War

Feb 26: Dax Holt on baby mama drama

Feb 26: pinning tweet: on the verge of MAJOR war with baby mama. Let @DaxHolt explain

Feb 26: Louis’ “baby mama drama” on TMZ

Feb 26: Jason & Derek on Louis Tomlinson

Feb 27: retweet: Louis Tomlinson’s got some baby problems and Dax here is to tell you about it.

Feb 27: retweet: Check out: Louis Tomlinson – Baby mama won’t let me see my kid

Feb 28: retweet: Louis Tomlinson – Baby mama won’t let me see my kid

Feb 28: retweet: Louis Tomlinson – Custody war settled: I get the baby, for a price.

THIS WEEK

Feb 29: LOUIS TOMLINSON BABY MAMA HE CAN SEE THE BABY But Keep His New Chick Away!!!

Feb 29: tweeted about this same article later the day

Mar 1: tweet: can see the baby but needs to keep his new chick away

Mar 1: tweet: @gosspigirl article.

Mar 1: tweet: Louis Tomlinson sugar daddy TMZ video

Mar 1: mention during a segment about Fetty Wap’s baby situation: Charles: “And like you said just the other day with Louis Tomlinson–” Harvey: “Exactly.”Charles: “You better get the paternity test. It’ll be better for both of them.”Harvey: “Oh yeah, there’ll be a paternity test here.”Charles: “There will be eventually.”Harvey: “Just trust me - there will be a dispute and there will be a paternity test.”

Mar 3: Louis out at Fetty Wap’s concert, the same man who also has a babygate situation going on and TMZ has reported about it, even name-dropped Louis on Mar 1.

TMZ is ready.

THREE WEEKS SILENCE

Mar 25: Dax Holt tweets asking from “Dear Directioners” “What the hell does #EndBabyGate mean”

Mar 25: Dax’s video is tweeted for the first time. And had it pinned for hours

Mar 25: 1D’S LOUIS TOMLINSON STROLLIN’ SOLO With Baby Freddie Mar 25: over the course of the day Dax’s video gets retweeted 4 more times.

Mar 25: they uploaded Dax’s video on Youtube and added a poll about the baby being real and about Larry being real. (poll is still there: March 28). The video is also the first thing that plays when you visit TMZ’s youtube channel.

Mar 25: later the day they made an entire #EndBabygate playlist

Mar 26: posted Dax’s video on TMZ Instagram.

Mar 26: retweeted the strollin’ article twice

Mar 27: On TMZ’s FB page in the About section they have the Endbabygate video from Dax. No text. Just that one video.

Mar 27: posted Dax’s video on TMZ IG again.

Mar 27: retweeted Dax’s video a total of 5 times

Mar 27: retweeted the strollin’ article

Mar 28: Dax Holt tweets a pic with a doll, implying that Louis Tomlinson’s baby is a doll.

Mar 28: the official TMZ twitter retweets it

Mar 28: posted the 58 seconds segment about Louis on their Youtube channel.

Mar 29: Dax Holt replies to an end babygate tweet with a baby emoji, an exclamation mark and a questionmark.

Mar 29: TMZ links an article from gossip girl where “Simon Cowell shades 1D They were a nightmare”

Mar 30: TMZ retweets the strollin’ article two times

Mar 30: Dax talks about Larry in a livestream on TMZ’s youtube channel.

Mar 30: Dax allegedly likes on instagram these 2 pictures: “it’s not real baby pic” plus “his own pic with the doll”.

March 31: Dax posts a twitter picture about him carrying a man who uses a Harry mask. “For those asking if LARRY is real… Here’s the TRUTH. Darry is more real.”

March 31: Dax posts an instagram picture about the same man with a different Harry mask with the capture: “Hanging with Harry”.

March 31: the official TMZ twitter retweets Dax’s Larry is real picture

Apr 1: NOTHING.

Apr 2: Dax is engaging the fandom in babygate topic yet again, and tweets the usual anti questions, while fans reply with proof and link masterposts.

Apr 7: Dax tweeting the Buzzfeed article that is debunking babygate.

Apr 7: Dax doing a chat where he mentions babygate mumbling they did not end it. Again bringing up that there was no paternity test.

Apr 7: TMZ article: ONE DIRECTION Song Triggers Lawsuit C'MON, C'MON AND PAY US!!!

Apr 8: Dax tweets: stay tuned #endbabygate

Apr 8: TMZ twitter retweets Dax’s tweet.

Apr 8: TMZ article: My baby is the real deal

Apr 8: TMZ live also discussed the real baby.

Apr 8: TMZ posts Dax’s video and pins it: It’s time to #EndBabygate for good. @Daxholt gives you the PROOF that the baby is REAL. They retweeted it 3 times.

Apr 8: TMZ twitter: Louis Tomlinson’s baby mama will give you ALL THE FEELS! (via @gossipgirl) http://tmz.me/poGuNzT

Apr 9: TMZ twitter retweets Dax’s debunk (baby is real) video 1x

Apr 10: TMZ twitter retweets Dax’s debunk (baby is real) video - 1x

Apr 11: TMZ twitter retweets: my baby is the real deal

Apr 11: TMZ twitter retweets: LOUIS TOMLINSON’S BABY MAMA WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE FEELS!

Apr 11: TMZ twitter retweets Dax’s debunk (baby is real) video - 1x

Apr 11: TMZ twitter retweets: Louis Tomlinson Shares New Photo of Baby Freddie Playing With His First Soccer Ball

Apr 13: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

Apr 17: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

Apr 18: tweeting: Is #babygate ended? Sorry louis_tomlinson & onedirection fans but you asked us to #Endbabygate. We did!

Apr 20: Dax posting a stroller pic where Louis smiles and he uses the hashtag #smiling

Apr 21: tweeting: #EndBabygate #EndBabygate #EndBabygate… did we call it @onedirection and @louis_tomlinson fans?

Apr 22: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

Apr 24: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

Apr 26: tweeting: The mystery that @onedirection fans have been blogging about & @daxholt will #EndBabyGate for @Louis_Tomlinson.

Apr 27: Daxchat: babygate mention.

Apr 28: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

May 4: tweeting a link to HL not speaking now from gossipgirl

May 5: tweeting: No #babygate here! The only onsie your babies need is at TMZ store

#babygate #tellmethisisnotlove masterposts

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hshouse · 3 years

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US has freedom of information. You can get a copy of the Birth Certificate from State of California. Unless like trumpers you claim they forged the document currently making Louis and Briana legally his parents with Freddie Reign Tomlinson being his legal name or as birthers claimed Obama's Birth Certificate is forged and that the state gives copies of an forged Obama certificate. That would be qanon cultist birthers. Family confirmed Louis took the DNA test so its your fault you believed TMZ

Lucky for you, I wrote an entire 30 page paper on the Freedom of Information Act. The literal first thing on the list of not included is personal records. Do not try to teach American Politics to me. Fucker.

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🚨 Fri Aug 28🚨

!!!!!!!LIAM’S ENGAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reading both the Sun and the Daily Mail’s version of events is a headache and a massive web of contradictions, but it’s all we have to go off of, because no one else decided to chime in today, including Liam himself!

On August 27, 2020, The Sun reported Liam’s engagement to *mumbles number between 19 and 20 here* year old Maya Henry after two years of dating. This number is brought to you by the same source that says Maya was 20 years old. According to People, the first year was secret! The Sun did publish pap pics from 8/26 with what was reported to be a £3 million engagement ring on her finger. The fandom’s reaction has been mixed at best, though largely, an air of confusion prevails, followed quickly by anger and frustration. And just like that, we have returned to a hostile fandom environment with a LOT of differing opinions which have drawn lines in the sand.

And then, of course, Liam went live. This happened at around 8 pm BST, and he spent 20 minutes talking about his upcoming show because,oh, also, the LP Show is in ONE day! What else did he have to say? Well, he talked a bit about his haunted house, doing more food challenges, premiering new songs on Saturday (!!!), Harry’s nipples (???), the way he pronounces ‘adore’, the Umbrella Academy, COVID life and how he keeps his depression at bay (love u, bud), and he sang a bit of Watermelon Sugar, while promising that Saturday’s show is the culmination of a lot of hard work, and he hopes it goes well. I do, too! The comments on the live, however, only seemed to want one pesky question answered: is he actually engaged?? For what it’s worth, Liam ignored everything related to this topic, and did not once mention his girlfriend/fiancee. Thanks for that, Liam!

We at 1 dee discourse inc. gave it a day, but, despite Liam’s conspicuous evasion of the subject in his live, this very much seems to be the route that Liam - or, rather, his team - are taking, as his rep seems to have confirmed the engagement with The Sun so! Don’t shoot the messenger! However, as we are still in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, they seem to be headed for a lengthy engagement - or at least that’s the hope. My piece of advice to them would be: don’t try to break the social distancing guidelines with a wedding, you crazy kids!

( Intern’s note: Honestly, if you have something mean to say about Maya, please don’t put it in my notes - she’s nineteen years old, and I don’t want to hear it.)

Let’s see...what else happened today? OH YEAH, Louis put out a brand new merch line!!! Okay, guys, my bank account is not going to survive this. Lyric Drop 1, as this collection is called, dropped on the 28th of August (today, as it so happens!).There were also rainbow face mural T-shirts and hoodies, as well as - get this, guys!! - a crop top hoodie! Anyways, the Lyric Drop line seems to mean that each collection will be inspired from different lyrics in Walls. This one is the “You’re Written In My DNA” Collection, which showcases a green and red double helix on top of a...fence? It’s DNA inside a cage? Behind a wall? (I actually really like that last one, so that’s what we’re going with!)

Well, at least it isn’t called the “DNA test” line, but it is pretty funny, considering...everything. This begs the question, though, of what lyric they will adapt next! I personally vote for “come so far from Princess Park” or “singing something poppy on the same four chords” or “it’s a solo song, and it’s only for the brave”. Regardless, I am curious as to how they’re going to design some of these lines, AND I think that “the Princess Park line” sounds like a super cute name for merch!

I think I should not have been surprised by this drop, given that he was seen meeting with a designer about merch a month ago (but not, as we thought, his twin brother, the head of UMG), but. I was still surprised. Soooo...does anyone want to help an Intern out and buy me the DNA tank top or an oversized hoodie of his eyes?? ~This is a joke I’m not actually asking you to buy me merch.~

Because Louis and Harry always have to be #twinning, there was an unusual development about Harry’s merch, as well. HSHQ might pick a legal fight with Forever 21 for, uh, *double checks* putting the phrase “Treat People With Kindness” on a hoodie. Harry did actually trademark that phrase in the UK, the US, and the EU in 2019, so he may have a legal case? Let’s get this square - as Louis would say - Forever 21 sucks. They suck, and they’re almost bankrupt, so this did not seem to be a smart move on their end. If it were me, though, I would urge HSHQ to recognize the fact that similar merch is being sold at a much lower cost, which seems to make it more accessible to fans - who are more than willing to buy it!

Zayn is zayning? I think that’s how you use that word. It has been noted that he has been more visible (for him) on social media, lately, so that might hint at a new project he might have coming out, which absolutely could be the case! In the same vein, Icarus Falls was re-released on all major streaming platforms with two more tracks: Dusk ‘Til Dawn and Still Got Time. This brings the tracklist to a total of 29 tracks and the length of the album to almost 1 hour and 40 minutes!! That’s crazy!!! Even crazier, the album has now surpassed 1.1 billion streams on Spotify! Go Zayn!

Meanwhile, a former Syco (or psycho, as I like to call them) artist confirmed the label’s dissolution while shading the fuck out of them. The Wikipedia was quickly changed to more accurately reflect the situation. It now reads: “...the record label [was] founded by British LOUIS TOMLINSON SUPREMACY…”. Also, if you change your Google settings to Spanish and Google ‘Harry Styles’, you’ll be informed that he’s been married to Louis Tomlinson since 2019. Happy anniversary, boys!

#aug 28 2020 #harry #louis #zayn #liam #and E is on her way back #so maybe we can see Clifford again!!#i didn't know i missed the dog content until it was gone #so what kind of day has it been?#song rec of the day #is Moral of the Story #by an artist named Ashe #and she has this version with this one dude name Niall Horan?#idk if uve heard of him before #also also #thank u to my friend #for tuning into liams live for me!

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