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emily-smx · 3 years

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Lies of Omission

I know that this scene has been discussed hundreds of times already, and there are probably posts out there that are very similar to this one. However, I saw this being brought up again on Instagram, and I feel the need to say my bit about it.

The question brought up over and over again is “Why did Scott believe Theo over Stiles?”.

He didn’t.

In the entire scene, there’s never once the question of whose story he should believe – as far as the boys are concerned, there is only one story. That’s what causes the miscommunication.

I also noticed something else while watching the scene: nothing that Stiles said actually contradicted Theo’s story.

To go into more depth, I’m going to go through each bit of the dialogue and explain what’s basically being said from each character’s point of view.

[Scott holds out the bloody wrench]

Stiles: Where did you get that?

Scott: This is yours? Why didn't you tell me?

Stiles: I was going to...

Scott: No, but why didn't you tell me when it happened?

Stiles: I couldn't.

So far, it’s pretty straightforward.

Scott shows Stiles the wrench, who immediately reacts in a guilty manner. It’s important to note that Scott’s “This is yours?” holds quite a bit of surprise in it, so he clearly hadn’t already made up his mind about what happened.

Stiles takes the wrench and looks at it, while Scott asks him “Why didn’t you tell me?”

I know that, to some people, his question implies that he’s already leapt to a conclusion about what happened, but this isn’t necessarily the case. He hasn’t specified what it is he believes Stiles has done; all this shows is that he knows something big has happened.

Stiles’ response sounds incredibly guilty, and he struggles to look Scott in the eye. It’s clear at this point that he’s done something bad.

Scott: You killed him? You killed Donovan?

Stiles: Well, he was going to kill my dad. Huh? Was I supposed to just let him?

Scott: You weren't supposed to do this. None of us are.

This is where it starts to get more confusing.

Scott asks whether Stiles killed Donovan, and again the surprise and disbelief in his voice shows that he hadn’t already made up his mind prior to this conversation.

Stiles responds by telling him “he was going to kill my dad [...] was I supposed to just let him?” (i.e. “I killed Donovan because he was going to kill my dad”).

The worst thing about this is that it essentially confirms what Theo was saying. Theo said “maybe it was because he threatened to kill his dad”.

It also implies to Scott that this was not self-defense, because Stiles’ dad wasn’t there. Instead, it tells Scott that Stiles chose to kill Donovan because he couldn’t risk Donovan hurting his father.

Also, Stiles is asking Scott “Was I supposed to just let him [kill my father]?” (i.e. “was I supposed to let him go free and risk him killing my father?”)

If Stiles had explained how much he regretted it, Scott (despite still not knowing the whole story) would likely have reacted differently. Instead, it sounds to Scott as though Stiles has done something terrible and is now defending it.

Hence, he replies by essentially saying that no, his response was not justified. “You weren't supposed to do this.”

Stiles: You think I had a choice?

Scott: There's always a choice.

This is where it’s important to look at the different viewpoints. Scott is still under the impression that Stiles killed Donovan to protect his father. So, from his point of view, Stiles did have a choice.

Stiles: Yeah, well, I can't do what you can, Scott. I know you wouldn't have done it. You probably would have just figured something out, right?

Scott: I'd try.

Stiles: Yeah, because you're Scott McCall! You're the True Alpha! Guess what? All of us can't be True Alphas! Some of us have to make mistakes. Some of us have to get our hands a little bloody sometimes. Some of us are human!

Once again, it’s clear that they’re talking about completely different things.

Stiles is talking about what he can do physically. He’s saying that he couldn’t easily fight off Donovan the way that Scott could have. He’s saying that Scott could have found a solution that didn’t end in one of them dying.

But Scott still doesn’t know that. He still thinks that Stiles killed Donovan by using disproportionate force, because he was scared that if Donovan survived then he’d harm his father. From his point of view, Stiles is saying that murder was the only option, and he couldn’t figure something else out.

So he responds by essentially saying that yes, he would try and figure out another solution to protect his father and also not kill Donovan.

It’s an entirely reasonable response, but obviously from Stiles’ point of view, Scott is being very unfair here. This, along with the fact that he’s being crushed under guilt and stress and anger, causes him to lash out.

Scott: So you had to kill him?

Stiles: Scott, he was going to kill my dad!

Scott: But the way that it happened... There's a point when it's... It's not self-defense anymore!

Stiles: What are you even talking about? I didn't have a choice, Scott!

Scott, to his credit, doesn’t get angry, and instead gets back to the main point. He’s clearly very desperate at this point, desperate for there to be something he’s missed.

So he asks whether Stiles had to kill him – note that this isn’t simply if Stiles killed Donovan, it’s more about whether it was the only choice. Keep in mind, that Scott cares a lot about Stiles. He doesn’t want to fall out with him.

Unfortunately, Stiles’ response only emphasised what he’d previously claimed, making it sound like that was his only reason.

This is where both characters should have paid more attention to each other’s words. Scott’s comment about “the way that it happened” should have driven Stiles to questioning what he thought had happened; and Stiles’ confusion should have again made Scott question whether he had the story right.

However, they’re both upset and stressed, and so it’s understandable that at this point they aren’t thinking clearly and rationally.

Stiles: You don't even believe me, do you?

Scott: I want to.

Stiles: Okay. All right, so... So, believe me, then. Scott, say you believe me. Say it. Say you believe me.

[Stiles steps forward brandishing the wrench and Scott flinches]

Scott: Stiles, we can't kill people that we're trying to save.

Stiles: Say you believe me!

Scott: We can't kill people. Do you believe that?

This is where everybody hates Scott, but again it’s taking everything out of context.

When Stiles says “believe me”, he means “believe me that there was no choice, I was about die and it was an accident”, but Scott hears “believe me that my only choice was to kill Donovan to protect my dad”.

Scott wants to believe that Stiles’ actions were necessary, but he knows that killing somebody to prevent the possibility of something else from happening in the future is not justified (especially when there are other ways they could have protected his dad).

Also, Theo was cunning and he told Scott “maybe Stiles thought he had to keep going to defend himself” – which feeds into Scott’s belief that Stiles might have thought it was his only choice, despite this not being the case.

I also want to point out that Scott flinching is likely due to the trauma of Void Stiles. In Letharia Vulpina (3x19), by the animal clinic in the pouring rain, Void Stiles tortured Scott. The similarities of the situation likely caused him to flinch (and then there’s obviously the fact that flinching when somebody steps forward with a weapon is a completely natural response, even without all the trauma).

Stiles: Well, what do I do about this? What do you want me to do? Okay, just be... Scott, just tell me how to fix this, all right? Please, just tell me-- what do you want me to do?

Scott: Don't worry about Malia or Lydia. We'll find them. Maybe... Maybe you should talk to your dad.

This is when Stiles essentially gives up. From his point of view, he’s tried defending himself, but Scott is still condemning him; he’s being blamed for something that was in no way his fault.

Instead of lashing out again, he accepts that he was at fault (although he wasn’t – it was his guilt that was persuading him that he was in the wrong), and begs Scott to tell him how he can fix his mistake.

Scott, who is also very overwhelmed, suggests he talk to his dad, who will be able to fix it and sort everything out.

I know some people equate this to Scott kicking Stiles out of the pack, but I really don’t think it is.

Scott saying “Don't worry about Malia or Lydia” is not him forbidding Stiles from speaking to them. It’s simply a callback to the beginning of the conversation, when Stiles informed Scott that he’d been unable to get in touch with Malia or Lydia.

And yes, he dismisses Stiles, but that’s because so many other things are going on. Hayden is directly behind them, dying in the animal clinic. Scott needs to go and help her, and Stiles being there will probably just increase the tension and make things more difficult.

In Conclusion:

It was a miscommunication. Scott and Stiles both thought they were talking about the same thing, which led to them not understanding what the other was trying to say.

Scott did not come into the argument already believing Stiles was guilty. His reaction to Theo’s story was, literally, “that’s not possible”. It was Stiles’ accidental confirmation of Theo’s story that led Scott to believe it was true.

“believe me” does not mean “believe my story”, because to their knowledge there was only one story.

Scott did not kick Stiles out of the pack.

I firmly believe that the only mistake either character made (beyond hiding the whole secret in the first place) is not pushing further to make sure they were both talking about the same thing. Scott should have asked for Stiles’ full story of the events, and Stiles should have explained what happened when he had the chance. It can, however, be put down to their mindsets at the time: Theo chose a good time to tell Scott, when both of them were already overwhelmed with all the events going on.

#teen wolf #scott mccall #stiles stilinski #sciles #scott mccall defense squad #tw 5x09 #teen wolf meta #long post

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vivitalks · 2 years

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i actually think the "taking people's pain" thing in teen wolf is a really interesting trope with really interesting potential ramifications. the show doesn't really touch on it but pain isn't just this unfortunate side effect of injury - it serves a purpose. the whole point of experiencing pain is that our body is sending a message to our brain going "hey, SOMETHING'S WRONG!!!" and as long as we're in pain, we know something is wrong, and our body fights to fix it, cope with it, heal from it. in teen wolf, we see the werewolves taking pain from their wounded friends/allies, and it's obviously a gesture of empathy, to reduce suffering, which i get. but it also feels like doing that would actually be counterintuitive, because if your body isn't feeling pain, then it doesn't know something is wrong, and if it doesn't know something's wrong then it doesn't know it needs to heal. taking pain in the teen wolf universe kind of seems like more of an opioid than an NSAID, to speak in terms of painkillers - it doesn't actually solve any problems in the long-term, it just decreases the amount of pain a person is experiencing as a consequence of the problems (i.e. injuries). and that seems like something that could actually do more harm than good.

think about the dying deputy in letharia vulpina in season 3b, or gabe in the show's finale in 6b. in both cases someone (scott or theo) takes the person's pain, and we see them go from obviously suffering to being at peace, no longer hurting. and then they die. AND THEN THEY DIE! now i understand that, because it's a tv show, they were gonna die anyway, and i know tv shows don't have to follow real-world logic, i get that. but stay with me for a minute here and just think about this, right, because those characters only survived their injuries for as long as they were in pain. as soon as it stopped hurting, they stopped living. the pain was, obviously, Fucking Painful, but it also kept them alive. and i have to wonder, watching that, if anyone else is thinking about the consequences of eliminating people's pain. how will they know to heal if nothing hurts?

when you get your wisdom teeth out, they numb your mouth, and it's still numb when you come out of it. if you bite your lip, you don't feel it. it doesn't hurt. but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. you could still suffer in the long run as a result of that injury. infections, for example, are a very real danger. (not in teen wolf the tv show obviously because again: tv logic, but if you're, say, writing fic, you might want to think about these things.) and if you keep numbing the injury, your body never knows to heal it. i think about cora in 3a, when she's dying from whatever jennifer did to her. again, i realize she was Dying, As A Plot Point, not just like, experiencing a normal injury, but derek takes her pain over and over and over again. he doesn't give her the chance to stop and feel it. what if it had been a normal injury after all, and preventing her from feeling the pain had actually been delaying her ability to heal from it? the injuries people sustain on this show are like a thousand times worse than biting your lip!! scott and the rest of the werewolves etc are wonderful empathetic people who don't want people to be in pain, and i admire that. but i also wish the show as a whole recognized that there is more to pain than just Making You Human. it also keeps you alive. keeps you fighting.

it actually reminds me of that whole thing stiles talks about at the beginning of 2x11, about how when you're drowning you hold your breath until the last possible minute (voluntary apnea) to give yourself longer to live, even though it's agonizing. and when you do finally breathe in, he calls it peaceful. but that's also the moment you die. as soon as you choose to release the pressure - as soon as you can't take the pain anymore - you go from "painfully surviving" to "peacefully drowning." and morrell asks him if maybe it's worth it to hold your breath a little longer - feel a little more pain - to give yourself more time to be rescued, to survive.

the sooner you breathe in, the sooner you're beyond saving. and the same rules apply with the supernatural pain relief. the less time you have to actually feel the pain, the less time you have to heal from what's causing it. that doesn't seem like such a good thing in the long run, to me. morrell says it best: if it's about survival, isn't a little agony worth it?

#stuff #teen wolf #tw #anyway those are my teen wolf thoughts for the night #ive been thinking this for a while actually #every time i see a character on this show taking pain i think about it #how is NO ONE thinking about the RAMIFICATIONS!!!!!#it's not like they're healing anyone!! and yes theyre easing suffering in the short term but #are they really helping in the long term?? Or Are They Making It Worse!!#sorry to be philosophical on main but it is 2am so forgive me #okay seriously posting and dashing #ive tw posted enough for today

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princeescaluswords · 6 years

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Imagine Scott learning to be a druid despite his handicap as a werewolf!

Actually, if Deaton’s and Morrell’s behaviors are typical for a Druid, I don’t think Werewolf Scott as a Druid would be a good fit.

The one thing that marked both Deaton and Morrell was their restraint. They acted only in specific situations marked out by their personal philosophies. Deaton learned that Scott was a werewolf but only interfered in specific instances. In the first season, he rescued Scott after he got shot by the hunters. He protected Scott from Peter. But even though he saw potential for a true alpha, he didn’t intervene beyond that. He didn’t advise Scott on how to handle Derek or Peter or the Argents. He let Scott decide for himself.

Morrell was similar. If she is to be believed, she kept Deucalion in check by choosing when to act and when not to act. She told people exactly what they needed to know and only when they needed to know it. She sealed Derek and Scott into the vault but also hired Braeden to rescue Isaac. She could have done more, but it was wiser for her not to.

During the nogitsune event, Deaton may have flown to Japan to find the letharia vulpina, but he didn’t take the lead in the decision making process. He let Scott make the decisions. Morrell assisted Stiles in Echo House, but she determined she would act only if the situation became too dangerous.

They never took the lead which their age and knowledge might have entitled them to do. They never shaped events to their liking. Instead, they kept things from spinning out of control. They brought balance, acting only when things tilted too far one way or the other.

Jennifer, on the other hand, was the opposite. She used her knowledge to gain the power to shape events to her liking. That’s part of what made her a Darach.

Werewolf Scott would never be able, I believe, to embrace the balance like that. As Melissa put it “now only do you have the power to do something, you care enough to do something about it.” To embrace the philosophy of druidism, Scott would have to accept people dying, the way Deaton did. He’d have to be willing to act against people the way Morrell did, and we know he never could

If Scott had not been transformed against his will, he might have been able to become a druid, but not afterward. The Bite made Scott a bit of an extremist in his desires. That wouldn’t have worked with druidism as it was presented on the show.

#teen wolf #teen wolf meta #scott mccall defense squad

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teenwolfpotential · 7 years

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Season 3B Sterek: Scenes & Dialogue

Purpose: To identify and catalog all the direct and indirect Sterek interactions in season 3B of Teen Wolf.

Notes:

“Stiles Talking” or “Derek Talking” indicate only one person is present in the scene while the other is talked about or referenced with an image

if not labeled that, a scene incudes Stiles and Derek directly interacting

names for each scene are how the scenes are tagged on my blog, if a scene has a “/” it’s because there are tags relating to different parts of the scene

“…” indicates a scene jump or unrelated dialogue that’s been cut out

() have been added to clarify unheard actions in a scene that affect the dialogue or to clarify the presence/awareness of Derek or Stiles throughout the scene

dialogue source is http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewforum.php?f=137, episodes were watched to clarify in some cases

Ep 14: More Bad Than Good

Stiles Talking (Scott talking to Stiles): Tracking Coyote

Stiles: Can you track her now? You think you got her scent?

Scott: Maybe. But I'm better at this when I'm a full wolf. And I'm still worried that if I do it, I won't be able to turn back.

Stiles: The door's still open.

Scott: If I can't get to Derek, we're gonna have to find someone else to help. This is basically a crime scene, right? I think it might be a little out of my boss's league.

Stiles: And more in my dad's.

Stiles Talking: Real Alpha

Isaac: Look, maybe I'm asking a question no one here wants to ask. How do we turn a coyote back into a girl, when she hasn't been a girl for eight years?

Scott: I can do it.

Stiles: You can?

Scott: You remember the night that Peter trapped us in the school? In the gym, he was able to make me turn using just his voice. Deucalion did the same thing in the distillery.

Deaton: This is a werecoyote, Scott. Who knows if it'll even work if you can find someone who can teach you.

Stiles: That's why you called Derek, first.

Scott: Yeah, I could try it on my own.But right now, I'm too scared to even change into just a werewolf.

Stiles: We need a real Alpha. You know what I mean. An Alpha who can do Alpha things. You know, an Alpha who can get it going. You know, get it...

Isaac: Up?

Scott: Great. I'm an Alpha with performance issues.

Deaton: Is there anyone else besides Derek who could help?

Ep 15: Galvanize

Stiles Talking (Isaac talking, Stiles participating): Turning Down Twins

Aiden: You need a pack. We need an Alpha.

Stiles: Yeah. Absolutely not. That's hilarious though.

Aiden: You came to us for help. We helped.

Stiles: You beat his face into a bloody pulp. That's not helping. In my opinion, that's actually counter-productive.

Scott: Why would I say yes?

Aiden: We'd add strength. We'd make you more powerful. There's no reason to say no.

Isaac: I can think of one. Like the two of you holding Derek's claws while Kali impaled Boyd. In fact, I don't know why we're not impaling them right now.

Aiden: You want to try?

Scott: Sorry, but they don't trust you. And neither do I.

Stiles Talking (maybe, next ep is party w/ Derek in blue): Blue Is Just Pretty

Lydia: What do the different colored strings mean?

Stiles: Oh, just different stages of the investigation. So green is solved, yellow is to be determined, blue's just pretty.

Ep 18: Riddled

Derek Talking: Hospital Chemo Signals

Derek: He's not here. Not anymore.

Scott: You mean the whole building?

Derek: Gone.

Isaac: I'll go tell Stilinski.

Scott: And see if you can find Allison. She's not answering her phone.

Derek: Notice how strong the scent is up here? Ever hear of chemo signals? Chemical signals that communicate emotion. Just our sweat can give off anger, fear or disgust. Take a deep breath and tell me what you feel.

Scott: Stress.

Derek: Anxiety.

Scott: What was he doing up here?

Derek: I don't know. There was definitely some kind of struggle.

Scott: With who?

Derek: Himself.

Derek Talking: Skinny Defenseless Stiles

Aiden: So, you think he was just sleepwalking? Or is there something more to it?

Derek: In this town there's always something more.

Aiden: What if I told you I know something more? I kind of overheard...well, I listened in on Stiles talking to Scott. How he thinks he was the one who wrote that message in the Chemistry room. The message telling Barrow to kill Kira.

Derek: You think Stiles, skinny, defenseless, Stiles is the Nogitsune? A powerful, dark spirit?

Aiden: I'm not the only one thinking it. I'm just the only one saying it.

Derek: This thing wants to possess someone and chooses Stiles? Why wouldn't it take someone bigger, stronger? Someone with a little more ... power.

Derek Talking: Magnetized Bat

Kira: Scott.

Scott: Hey

Derek: He's a little preoccupied. But I can help you.

Kira: Why would you want to help me?

Derek: Because I want you to tell me everything that happened at the power station with William Barrow. Actually, I want you to show me.

...

Kira: It was around here, I think. But everything kind of looks the same now. What is that? Is that a baseball bat?

Derek: It's Stiles's bat. It's magnetized. Kira, I'm going to need you to tell me everything you know about foxfire.

...

Kira: I don't know if I should go in. You're going to tell Scott that Barrow might have used foxfire created by me to jump start the Nogitsune's power inside Stiles.

Derek: Yeah.

Kira: Basically that I helped a dark spirit take control of his best friend.

Derek: You should probably wait here.

Derek Talking: Stiles Was Protecting Us

Derek: What?

Scott: He was trying to protect us. Stiles was protecting us.

Derek: From himself.

...

Derek: What are we looking for?

Scott: I'm not sure. But I think Stiles wasn't just up here struggling with himself. I think he was struggling not to do something.

Ep 19: Letharia Vulpina

Derek Talking: Tell the Sheriff

Derek: You have to tell Stilinski. You have to tell him what's really wrong with Stiles.

Derek Talking: What Will You Do

Chris: I spent the entirety of the last two days trying to find Stiles.

Derek: Any luck?

Chris: No.

Derek: Me either. Okay, we're both trying to find Stiles. Mind if I ask what you planned on doing if you find him?

Chris: Well, that depends on which Stiles I find.

Derek Talking: Frame for Murder Smarts

Chris: So, I don't suppose you have any idea why Stiles would frame us for murder?

Derek: I didn't think Stiles was smart enough to frame us for murder.

Chris: To be honest, I'm not entirely convinced that's why we're here.

...

Derek: I could easily get out of these, you know.

Chris: So could I. But I'm not interested in being a fugitive from the law.

Derek: Well, I'm not interested in being a victim to a 17-year-old possessed by a psychotic fox.

Chris: Just give me a few more minutes. Derek!

Derek: Okay, fine. If something happens, don't expect me to risk my life trying to save yours.

Ep 20: Echo House

Derek Talking: Would You Feel Any Remorse

Derek: You know, if all of this is true, people are dead because of Stiles.

Chris: But is it really Stiles?

Derek: Remember, we've had this problem before.

Chris: But we got lucky with Jackson.

Derek: What happens when you don't get lucky?

Chris: I guess it depends on how much or how little of Stiles is left. You ever heard of the Berserkers?

Derek: Germanic warriors. They wore the skins of bears to channel their ferocity.

Chris: They didn't just wear them. They became them. You know, a couple of years ago, a family came to us for help with their son. This group of teenagers, they were doing all sorts of rituals with animal skins. Somehow they tapped into it. But with Berserkers, the human side doesn't last long. They're not tempered by the moon.

Derek: He killed people?

Chris: He tore them apart. Eventually, I had to tell the family their son was gone. It took three of us to take him down. Almost every bullet we had. And when it was over, I felt no remorse. None. I knew that kid was long gone.

Derek: Would you feel any remorse putting Stiles down?

Chris: Stiles? Yes. But not a Nogitsune.

Ep 21: The Fox and The Wolf

Derek Talking: Brain Scan Trick

Sheriff: The specialist I saw in LA told me the thing that every doctor says when he's trying to avoid a lawsuit. "We can't say for sure." And then I spoke with Melissa. These are brain scans. My wife's and Stiles'. I knew they were similar. But those are the same. Exactly the same.

Derek: I'm guessing this isn't possible?

Sheriff: Not even remotely.

Chris: So the trickster is still playing tricks.

Derek: Why this trick?

Sheriff: When I was in the Army, an officer told me, "If you want to defeat your enemy, you don't take away their courage. You take away their hope."

Chris: You don't look like a man who gives up hope easily.

Sheriff: But Stiles might. If this thing inside him, if it's using his mother's disease as some sort of psychological trick, then this isn't just a fight for his body. It's also a fight for his mind. Right?

Chris: You know, he's left people severely injured.

Derek: And others severely dead.

Sheriff: That's why I need the two of you. I need people who are experienced in this kind of thing. I need you to help me stop him.

Chris: And by stop him, you mean trap him.

Derek Talking: Wolf Run from Fox

Allison: This is everything non-lethal I could find.

Chris: Take all of it.

Sheriff: What's the plan here?

Chris: Our best shot right now is for Derek to try to pick up Stiles' scent at Eichen House. Especially if he went through something stressful there.

Sheriff: Should all four of us be going to the same place?

Chris: Where else has Stiles been showing up?

Allison: School, hospital.

Derek: Okay, hold on. We did this already. He disappeared. We started looking for him. Then walked right into a trap at the hospital.

Chris: He's getting us to repeat the same moves.

Allison: So, what do we do? Wait for him to come to us?

Derek: We can't. Not if the oni find him when the sun goes down.

Sheriff: Scott's working on them right now, with Kira.

Chris: That's the problem. We're all trying to outfox the fox.

Sheriff: Listen. I'll understand if anyone wants to back out.

Derek: I’m not going to be the first wolf to run from a fox.

Chris: Apparently I'm carrying a lightsaber.

Allison: Dad, you and Derek hit Eichen House. Sheriff, it's you and me in the hospital. We all meet at the school.

Derek: Making sure you have a few lethal options just in case?

Chris: I like to prepare for the worst.

Derek Talking: Chess Message

Chris: What is all this? What are these sticky notes for?

Sheriff: This is what Stiles used to try and explain to me about all of you.

Allison: Well maybe it's a message from Stiles. The real Stiles.

Derek: You think there's any reason my name's on the king?

Stilinski: Well, you're heavily guarded. Though I guess the alarming detail is that you're one move from being in checkmate.

Chris: It's not a message from Stiles. It's a threat from the Nogitsune.

Allison: He's at the loft. That's what he's trying to tell us.

Chris: And he wants us to come there.

Derek: Night's falling.

Chris: This couldn't sound any more like a trap.

Sheriff: I don't think it is.

Chris: I think your opinion might be slightly biased, Sheriff.

Sheriff: Hear me out. What we're dealing with here is basically someone who lacks motive. No rhyme, no reason, right?

Chris: Meaning what?

Sheriff: Our enemy is not a killer. It's a trickster. The killing is just a byproduct.

Derek: If you're trying to say it won't kill us, I'm not feeling too confident about that.

Sheriff: It won't. It wants irony. It wants to play a trick. It wants a joke. All we need to do is come up with a new punch line.

Chris: The sun is setting, Sheriff. What do you have in mind?

Ep 22: De-Void

Fighting Nogitsune / Protecting Nogitsune

Derek Talking: Chess King

Peter: What are you doing? And more importantly, why aren't you healing?

Derek: It's from one of their swords. It'll heal.

Peter: By playing chess?

Derek: Back in his room, Stiles had a board with my name on one of the pieces. If this is a game to him, then I need to figure out the plays.

Peter: Not so easy to do when it's a game without rules.

Derek: What does that mean?

Peter: You're dealing with the kind of spirit that's lived too long to play by human rules. It's a fox spirit that chose to become human. And supposedly, that's something they can do only after about 100 years. If a kitsune is an annoying pain in the ass, then a nogitsune, which is a dark kitsune, is a freaking disaster. Besides, chess is Stiles's game. It's not the game of a Japanese fox. Do yourself a favor and put something on that. Before it gets infected.

Ep 23: Insatiable

Derek Talking: Out There Looking

Derek: You had a gun pointed at my head. You could've pulled the trigger. Why didn't you?

Chris: Because you're not my enemy anymore, Derek. And I'm not yours.

Derek: The truth is that we should be out there looking for him. Right now. Especially if he can do something like this.

Chris: I'm not sure that's actually going to be necessary.

Derek: Why not?

Chris: Because if he can do something like this...

Derek: He's stronger than ever. Which means he'll be coming for us.

Ep 24: The Divine Move

Derek Talking: Lydia Wouldn’t Run

Derek: Are you gonna try to convince her to go with you?

Aiden: I'm gonna try and convince her to run and hide. Like any sane person would do.

Derek: And Danny?

Ethan: Allison's dead. Stiles is dying. What do you think?

Derek: I think Danny won't believe you. And Lydia would never run and hide.

Aiden: Because of Stiles?

Derek: Because of Scott. You've been trying to find a way into his pack. Trying to earn his trust, trying to fight for him. You've had it wrong the whole time. You don't fight for a leader. You fight for a leader's cause.

Aiden: What cause?

Derek: Scott's always been about one thing. Saving his friends. He will do anything and everything to save the people he cares about. When there's no chance of winning, he keeps fighting. When all hope is lost, he finds another way. And when he's beaten down, he stands up again. You want to earn a place in his pack? You want redemption? Find another way to stand and fight.

Anchor

Derek: It was a dream. It was actually... It was more like a nightmare.

Stiles: Okay. What happened?

Derek: It started with these hunters that caught Peter and me after we left Cora. It was a family of them led by a guy named Severo. They broke into my loft.

...

Stiles: Who was it?

Derek: There's a lot of myths about how people can be turned into a werewolf. Usually a bite. There's one about rain water.

Stiles: Drinking rain water out of the puddle of a werewolf's print.

Derek: There's another one.

... Stiles: Derek, if this is all just a dream, why do you look so worried?

Derek: Because I don't remember waking up. So tell me. How do you know? How do you know if you're still dreaming?

Stiles: Your fingers, in dreams you have extra fingers.

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thedegenerateasexual · 7 years

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just for funsies i checked the air dates of the seminal episodes 3.19 Letharia Vulpina and 3.22 De-Void and they are february 17 2014 and march 10 2014

with that knowledge in hand here are some fun facts, come down nostalgia lane w/ me:

i started shipping this stupid thing on march 10th 2014 and i can feel nice and superior about being here ALMOST from the get-go

prior to 3.19 only SIXTEEN ENTIRE FICS for that pairing had been published

when i got on AO3 immediately after the ep aired to look for derek/chris there were 23 fics published

there are now 158, but most of them have kn*tting or other ships/tropes i don't like, so i'm STILL #suffering

i've now read the first Ever derek/chris fic and it's not actually too bad! tho i prefer them set after allison dies just to spare her the trauma

less than one short month later i got distracted by some whackjob named barnes and his pretty blonde wife which is probably why it took me this long to get around to writing this shit

speaking of that shit i wrote, i sighed longingly about wanting to catch up on some Bad TV back on may 1st, and had the entirety of the show on my HD by may 3rd

on may 10th i confessed to reading some Bad TV Fic (i'll be honest, i tried some st*rek furst because they write a good derek, but...i can’t deal he’s a MINOR so eventually i went back to looking for fic of my Real Preference. sadly there was very little)

i half-heartedly began an outline file of the fic i sorta-kinda thought about writing on may 30th, but it was just a list of bullet points about my particular interpretations of their characters, no real plot other than "catch kate together"

on june 12th, while making a sandwich, i was ruminating on chris argent and trying to decide if i could make him more interesting to me since currently his main role was just being kind of horrified at his sister and a good character that does not make, when Suddenly i had an idea about a story he tells in season 1

i immediately flew to my computer, messaged @marcusanthotius, and said something like "emily can i tell you about this idea i just had it might be a little bit of a text wall sorry" and she was like "sure" and then i told her and over the course of the conversation she went from "damn that sounds neat" to "I'M SO MAD I DON'T EVEN GO HERE BUT I REALLY WANT TO READ THIS NOW"

i know it was on june 12th while making a sandwich because i saved the conversation for future reference so i wouldn't lose the idea and i said "suddenly while making a sandwich my brain threw me this idea" and she said "it's always mid sandwich or laundry isn't it" which is a very correct observation

(completely forgot until i reread it that one of my points of beef with chris's first version of the story came from someone nitpicking wildlife facts on tvtropes, which i had been reading the previous night - not only do bats that bite not live anywhere near but that's not actually how rabid dogs act; the story was probably done that way to make an obvious comparison to werewolves, factual shit be damned. considering how the show always points out otherwise when the wildlife is acting weird, like when wolves or bioluminescent fireflies show up where they aren't supposed to)

(spoilers: it worked & he’s pretty interesting to me now)

anyway she was like "not to be a bad influence but you should write this" so i made my story doc on june 12th also, but it stayed empty for five days because i was busy perfecting my outline and pacing and shit

on june 18th, 3 years, 3 months, and 9 days after 3.22 De-Void aired, i started writing thing. talk about playing the long game

i poked and prodded at it off and on until june 21, which was my birthday, and got distracted by other things (presents!) and kind of half-gave-up on it because Sex Scenes Are Hard To Write, Okay

on july 9th the 6B trailer dropped. the very last thing i said before i watched it was "yeah i heard a rumor derek's coming back but i'm not holding my breath lol" which frankly is fucking iconic

im gonna take a small moment to send silent appreciation for those 5 seconds of derek hale footage in which i was truly, unironically, living my BEST possible life

NEEDLESS TO SAY i was pretty fucking excited bc my wordcount for that day was 1800

(started this blog on july 14th which just goes to show you im incapable of writing something without also blogging about it, posted this gem one week later on the 21st which goes to show i’m bad at having a secret ship, though i guess keeping it a secret for 3+ years isn’t too bad)

& the rest is history i wrote over 1k for nearly every single day between then & aug8, which is when i finished my rough draft, posted that shit 24h later

which means from conception to posting it took 71 days but from the time i wrote the first word to the time i wrote the last one, 51 days, just under 2 months, and if we don't count the piddling done prior to the 6B trailer it's more like 31 days

anyway those were the best 31 days i've had all year, wouldn't trade 'em for anything

#///#////#/////#anchor #anyway i love emily shes a supportive friend i would have chickened out without her encouragement #dargent #personal #teen wolf #this whole series of events truly set into motion because on april 21st i decided derek hale was asexual #writing talk

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