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brbarou · 1 year

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oh to go on an adventure with your beautiful bestie (you used to dream of this as kids)

#art #johanna hoffman #felicity montague #montague siblings #the lady's guide to petticoats and piracy #brb sim needs to be drawn asap #i have no idea if this is true to their book descriptions or not this is what they look like in my head im sorry

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constantly-chaotic-and-confused · 10 months

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Ah yes the three scandalous afflictions: gay, woman and anxious.

#yes that’s me #mackenzi lee #the gentleman's guide to vice and virtue #the nobleman's guide to scandal and shipwrecks #the lady’s guide to petticoats and piracy #henry montague #felicity montague #adrian montague #montague siblings

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mlmshipbracket · 2 months

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ROUND 1: POLL #9

Mercival/Montanewt art by dalooch on Tumblr

ROUND 1 POLLS [HERE]

PROPAGANDA BELOW

Vegas Theerapanyakun/Pete Saengtham:

Got loyal bodyguard who will give his life to his mafia boss and the insane villain with daddy issues. NS/FW [SPOILERS] in brackets -> [Pete decides to fuck Vegas because of how sad and pathetic he looked after the sad passing of his pet hedgehog. Vegas eats Pete's ass out in his torture/sex dungeon safehouse that Pete had been a prisoner in up until recently. Vegas is a brutal murderer who kills and tortures like nobody's issue and then cries into his ramen because Pete chose to escape the safehouse instead of staying with him there. Vegas tells Pete he loves him while Pete is in the middle of beating the shit out of him]

Henry "Monty" Montague/Percival “Percy” Newton:

Look these guys manage to be one sided love AND mutual pining AND slow burn despite having their first kiss like 20 pages or so into the first novel. There's a whole novella just about their misadventures trying to have sex for the first time which granted us the insane quote of: "I want to be the only thing touching him. I want to be the only thing that ever touches him again. I will be envious of every shirt he ever wears, the cuffs of his coats, the trousers going soft with wear where they rub his inner thighs."

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a-ramblinrose · 3 months

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JOMP BPC || January 19 || So Friggen' Funny: The Gentleman’s Guide to Vice and Virtue by Mackenzi Lee

#the gentleman's guide to vice and virtue #mackenzi lee #montague siblings #jompbpc #justonemorepage #book photo challenge #books #book photography #Not out of void but out of chaos #quote

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amphibious-thing · 8 months

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Do you have any advice for historical fiction authors who want to try harder to use historical queer language without confusing the average reader? It's something that has been a challenge for me and I've been finding your posts helpful, but I was wondering if you had specific tips on how an author could write better queer histfic for the modern reader.

It can be difficult because it is a balance. You probably don't want to just dump a whole heap of molly slang on your reader all at once. But you also don't want your characters to feel disconnected from the real history of the period.

In regards to molly slang you do have to remember that it was somewhat unique to the subculture. Only people involved in the subculture would be familiar with a lot of the slang. So if you wanted to include a character that uses molly slang you could aways have a character who is not part of the subculture, or new to it, who would serve as and stand in for the audience. This way the explanation of slang words can be weaved into the story in a more organic way.

Of course 18th century queer language is much more than just molly slang. It's good to know what the words mean but also what kind of people would be using them and in what context. For example legal writings will talk about sodomy and sodomites while a casual conversation might be more likely to talk about mollies.

While you don't want to overwhelm the reader you also don't want to underestimate them. If you pepper in historical terminology most readers will be able to pick up on the meaning form context. I think the Montague Sibling series actually does a pretty good job of this and it's a YA historical fantasy adventure novel. If Mackenzi Lee can trust her teenage target demo to pick up what a molly is from context then you can certainly trust an adult audience to.

It's also important to remember that it doesn't have to be perfect. Historical fiction is first and foremost fiction. The most important thing in my opinion is to create the feeling of a full fleshed out world. And for queer historical fiction that should be a world that includes queer people and thus have at least some queer language. You don't have to fill a novel with molly slang to do this, just give a bit here and there where it makes sense in context. The best advice I can give is to do the research and understand the history. If you understand it you will be better equipped to figure out when it makes sense to use historical language and when it makes sense not to. If you understand the rules you will better understand when to break them.

I think this is one of the reasons I like the Montague Sibling series so much. Mackenzi Lee has studied history and while her books are historical fantasy that strong base of historical knowledge really helps bring the world of the books to life. Also I just like that she actually used the word mollies in her YA book!

[Spoilers for the Montague Sibling series ahead]

Though it's not perfectly historically accurate the following scene form The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue feels very grounded in the period. The conversation is between the protagonist Monty and his little sister Felicity. Felicity largely represents the perspective of the popular rhetoric of the day.

"Honestly, Monty, I've never quite understood who's really got a hold on you." "Do you want to know if I'm a bugger?" She winces at the crass word, but then says, "It seems a fair question, considering I've seen your hands all over Richard Peele and Theodosia Fitzroy." "Oh, dear Theodosia, my girl." I collapse backward into the sofa cushions. "I remain inconsolable over losing her." I do not want to talk about this. Especially with my little sister. I came down here for the sole purpose of getting drunk enough to sleep and avoid venturing anywhere near this subject, but Felicity goes on staring at me like she's waiting for an answer. I take an uncivilized swipe at my mouth with my sleeve, which would have earned me a cuff from Father had we been at home. "Why does it matter who I run around with?" "Well, one is illegal. And a sin. And the other is also a sin, if you aren't married to her." "Are you going to give me the fornication without the intention of procreation is of the devil and a crime lecture? I believe could recite it from memory by now." "Monty—" "Perhaps I am trying to procreate with all these lads and I'm just very misinformed about the whole process. If only Eton hadn't thrown me out." "You're avoiding the question." "What was the question?" "Are you—" "Oh yes, am I a sodomite. Well, I've been with lads, so ... yes." She purses her lips, and I wish I hadn't been so forthright. "If you'd stop, Father might not be so rough on you, you know." "Oh my, thank you for that earth-shattering wisdom. Can't believe I didn't think of that myself." "I'm simply suggesting—" "Don't bother." "—he might ease up." "Well, I haven't much choice." "Really?" She crosses her arms. "You haven't a choice in who you bed?" "No, I mean I haven't much choice in who it is I want to bed." "Of course you do. Sodomy's a vice—same as drinking or gambling." "Not really. I mean, yes, I enjoy it. And I have certainly abstained form abstinence. But I'm also rather attracted to all the men I kiss. And the ladies as well." She laughs, like I've made a joke. I don't. "Sodomy has nothing to do with attraction. It's an act. A sin." "Not for me." "But humans are made to be attracted to the opposite sex. Not the same one. That's now nature operates." "Does that make me unnatural?" When she doesn't reply, I say, "Have you ever fancied anyone?" "No. But I believe I understand the basic principles of it." "I don't think you really can until it's happened to you."

The conversation then goes into Monty feelings for Percy which leads to this exchange:

"What are your expectations, exactly? If Percy did feel the same way about you, what would happen? You can't be together. Not like that—you could be killed for it if you were found out. They've been sentencing mollies by the score since the Clap Raid." "Doesn't matter, does it? Percy's good and natural and probably only fancies women and I am ... not."

While its perhaps a bit of an exaggeration to say that they've "been sentencing mollies by the score since the Clap Raid". It works the word mollies, a word most readers probably aren't familiar with, into the story in such a way that the context makes the meaning pretty clear. While Clap Raid might go over some readers heads they will still get the gist of the meaning behind the conversation and perhaps even inspired some readers to look it up and learn some real history.

This scene also takes advantage of words a modern reader would know like sin, vice and natural. They're talking about queerness in a more-or-less historically accurate way without using too many unfamiliar terms.

The Gentleman's Guide to Getting Lucy then gives us this fantastic scene that uses an 18th century euphemism:

He licks his lips, then nods. I reach for the buttons on his trousers, but he cries, "Wait! And I freeze, panicked I've done something else to muck this up, but then he says, "Just ... slowly, yes? Maybe not ... a full game of backgammon just yet." And then every inch of him goes red. "Percy Newton." I sit up over top of him and cross my arms. When he looks back at me with his eyes wide and innocent, I parrot, "A full game of backgammon? What erotic leaflet did you pick up that filthy vocabulary from?" "None!" he protests, but his mouth twitches. "Some." "Some?" Impossibly, he goes redder. "Some erotic leaflets." "May I have their titles? For purely academic purposes, I assure you."

Again the context allows for the readers to gather what is being talked about even if they've never heard the euphemism before.

And in The Lady's Guide to Petticoats and Piracy they even go to a molly house!

It is our only topic of conversation as the three of us walk to the pub in Shadwell called the Minced Nancy, which from the name alone brands itself a place where mollies like my brother and his beau can be together openly.

Tho I have to point out that while minced is 18th century language the earliest use of Nancy in this sense isn't until the 19th century.

#but also i'm not a fiction writer at all so this is coming from the perspective of a reader/viewer #idk I hope this was helpful and not just me rambling #historical fiction #montague siblings

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poetic-gays · 10 months

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The fact that Monty and Adrian had an entire conversation about Richard Peele but Adrian failed to mention that he punched him in the face is criminal

#book #books #bookblr #reader #readers of tumblr #book tumblr #the nobleman's guide to scandal and shipwrecks #the montague siblings #montague siblings #mackenzie lee #tngtsas #monty montague #henry montague #adrian montague

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mirkwoodest · 2 years

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I think that in light of Our Flag Means Death consuming our collective consciousness, more people should be aware of the rollicking queer adventures of the Montague Siblings

Just bought the third today, but if it's even half as good as the first two then it should be an EXCELLENT, heartfelt, somewhat silly read.

#montague siblings #the gentleman's guide to vice and virtue #the lady's guide to petticoats and piracy #the nobleman's guide to scandal and shipwrecks #txt

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smalltownfae · 11 months

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"It's the first thing that comes to mind when I think or Monty" 😂

#the lady's guide to petticoats and piracy #montague siblings

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brbarou · 1 year

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i do not need reasons to exist. i do not need to justify the space i take up in this world.

#art #montague siblings #the gentleman's guide to vice and virtue #the lady's guide to petticoats and piracy #felicity montague #johanna hoffman #sim aldajah #percy newton #henry montague #monty montague #as you may notice. i appear to have this thing for queer teens in 18th century europe #especially when there's. alchemy. and ships and oceans and panaceas and #bests

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constantly-chaotic-and-confused · 10 months

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Didn’t know The Nobleman’s Guide to Scandal and Shipwrecks would be a 14 hour perfect soppy therapy session epilogue to the other 2 books but I’m absolutely here for it

#audiobook #the nobleman's guide to scandal and shipwrecks #the gentleman’s guide to vice and virtue #the lady’s guide to petticoats and piracy #mackenzi lee #adrian montague #monty montague #felicity montague #montague siblings

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boatmediatourney · 1 year

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⚓Boat Media Tournament⚓

Round 2, match 12

#bmt2 polls #bmt2 round 2 #boat media #boat media tourney #the sea hawk #montague siblings #the gentleman's guide to vice and virtue #the lady's guide to petticoats and piracy #the nobleman's guide to scandal and shipwrecks

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wexpyke · 1 year

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“I want to be the only thing touching him. I want to be the only thing that ever touches him again. I will be envious of every shirt he ever wears, the cuffs of his coats, the trousers going soft with wear where they rub his inner thighs. Every snowflake that ever falls upon his lips, every piece of bread upon his tongue. I want to breathe him, feel him fill up my chest until my ribs strain and I break open like ripe fruit beneath a paring knife. I would be raw. I would freckle and blister in the sun. I would teach my body to regrow my heart each time I gave it to him, over and over and over again. Heart after heart after heart—every one of them his.”

— The Gentleman’s Guide to Getting Lucky, Mackenzi Lee.

#i just wanted this on my blog #i just finished rereading the gentleman’s guide to vice and virtue so now i’m rereading this #it’s just so fucking good #also: big theon/robb vibes #the gentleman’s guide to vice and virtue #montague siblings #henry montague #percy newton #henry x percy #monty x percy #mackenzi lee #this probably won’t be the last quote i’ll post from this trilogy #words #.txt #now and always

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happygirl2oo2 · 3 hours

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Always remember the three G's of the Montague siblings: