#oc: ari adaar

[dungeons-and-dragon-age]

deadliest couple in Thedas u.u

(patterns are form here!)

#i got lazy with the shading lol but i had fun playing around with patterns! #also this really made me realise again how badly i need to practice fabrics & metallics lolol #but anyway! have a they <3 #theyre such a pretty couple fr #ari should be taller/josie shorter lol but that made the framing weird #my art #my ocs #oc: ari adaar #josephine

[cakiebakie]

i may or may not have posted these already but heres a bunch of dragon age ocs

#my art #dragon age #my oc #snow lavellan #capeka lavellan #harper cadash #aries adaar #viola trevelyan #theo #theo and moon are my possible da4 protags #moonwort

[greypetrel]

No harsh feelings for the Arishok, uh?🤟🦝💥

Day 3 with your local trash raccoon gaining another husband in @dungeons-and-dragon-age's Ari. She's a lesbian and he's taken, she's taken too now that you mention, you say? Varric is officially her husband number 1? What pointless details, more is more in love as well, no?

(Raina's getting sent on a forced vacation by the sea to get some vitamin D and some sun after this week.)

#ockiss24 #dragon age #raina hawke #ari adaar #dungeons and dragon age #greypetrel #digital art #illustration #oc #da2 #dai #inquisitor adaar #female hawke #look at them having the time of their lives! #Let them dance at the winter palace they'll steal the show #... I hope I got the broken horn right and didn't draw the whole thing flipped #if you reblog this and see there are two versions going around AH-EHM I realised and corrected the picture later

[cao-the-dreamer]

Comfort time feat @dungeons-and-dragon-age Ari Adaar

Tzipporah lost her eye at age 24 when Templars attacked her camp. Ever since then, she hid the scarred part of her face under her hair. The fact she's letting Ari see it is a leap of faith she usually never takes with strangers.

But Ari is no stranger.

Individual drawings under the cut:

#my art #dragon age #scribbles #Tzipporah lavellan #ari adaar #not my oc #it was supposed to be a sketch #sliiiightly got out of hand #no regret

[oopsallmabari]

thinking about if my ocs would ever have/want kids and it is making me emotions

veria: would want kids in theory but given that she and alistair are both wardens she doesn't want them if she doesn't have a cure for the taint. not worth the risk

daithi: does not really want kids of his own but would love being an uncle/hanging out with younger ones and telling stories. he is kieran's father and does not live long enough to meet him. not sure if morrigan would ever reach out to zevran and introduce him to kieran, not sure which option would hurt zev more.

noah: likes kids and has always enjoyed being around multiple generations of family. i think they do end up having at least 1 child with alistair

levi: has not put much thought into wanting kids, has put thought into the possibility that he would screw up any kids he had based on how he is as an older brother. if he ever made it out of the fade, i think him and anders adopt a baby some time after.

rhea: does not really know how to handle kids that well since she didn't grow up with many other kids around, as such does not really know what she would do with a baby. i don't think she ever wants kids explicitly but i do think that she and josie encounter an older child at some point with no surviving family and take care of them. they are busy but very loving moms.

arya: has always loved kids and very much forced herself to not want to have any until the events of inquisition (meeting Kieran and morrigan brings up a lot of Thoughts and Feelings and Hopes). she+cullen would definitely have a couple kids at some point but a lot of healing would have to happen before then

#ari speaks #not all ocs included here. i have The Vague Notion of a lavellan who is a Single Parent. and i havent teased out enough of jelani/fenris #to make a decision either way #same with ikenna/dorian esp given how technically the inquisitor doesnt go back to tevinter w him #veria surana #daithi mahariel #noah cousland #levi hawke #rhea adaar #arya trevelyan #YES i created daithi to torture myself. like none of these motherfuckers are particularly happy but my brain really went off on that one #i have the power to stop daithi from an early calling. i do. and yet here we are

[heyitsaloy]

The Herald of Andraste, Inquisitior Astera Adaar.

#dragon age inquisition #dragon age Inquisition oc: astera adaar #warden blackwall #corypheus #cullen rutherford #josephine montilyet #spymaster leliana #leliana dragon age #my screenshots #ari's screenshots #xbox one s #xbox one s screenshots

[sole-inquisitor]

❤️‍🔥 oc tag masterlist ❤️‍🔥

🌿 Dragon Age: Origins

Feyrith Tabris | Ophelia Aeducan

🌿 Dragon Age 2

Kara Hawke | Kieran Hawke | Caelan Hawke

🌿 Dragon Age: Inquisition

Kivessin Lavellan | Asher Adaar | Phineas Cadash | Bahar Adaar | Saphielle Lavellan | Giselle Trevelyan

🌿 Baldur's Gate 3

Oleander | Aries | Ki'ara | River (durge) | Valerie | Angel | Edwin | Fion | Crim | Nikolas | general tav posting

[whenyoulosesmallmind]

@impossible-rat-babies tagged me to make some of my ocs in this piccrew! and since i am still dragon age trash, i made my boys in modern setting

morred mahariel (da:o) | hamlet hawke (da2) | arvaari adaar (da:i)

tagging: @mocha-writes @helvetin-venus @darkspawntaxcollectors @whattimewriter @echigo825 and whoever else wants to have a go at it ;)

#ari really be like the only normal guy in a group of completely unhinged individuals #don't let morred's twink ass fool you #he's actually channeling the energy of all the girls that bullied people in middle school to obliterate everyone on sight #hamlet's generic white boy energy was too powerful #i had to nerf it by giving him shrek earrings #now he looks like chip skylark #oc: morred mahariel #oc: hamlet hawke #oc: arvaari adaar #da #dragon age

[lyrium-lavellan]

The aesthetics of all my OCs are wildly different and I just love them so much!!! I had a bunch of thoughts and needed to write ‘em down so here’s some pairing aesthetics!

Vel and Varric are busy taverns with clever names serving cheap, shitty ale; ink-stained hands dripping color onto each other’s skin. The sound of coins clinking on well-worn tables, backs pressed up against doors. They are confidence and ease. They are knowing.

Ari and Bull are bloody hands and war paint, the rhythm of the drums like the thumping of still-beating hearts torn from the chests of gods. They are instinct and desire, ripped sheets and heated kisses. They are primal.

Nehri and Solas are an endless, flat sea - magnificent and green, the calm after a storm. And yet, they are the storm. They are the wind in the trees, the howling of the wolves on a frigid winter’s night. They are omnipotent- they are divine.

Ash and Dorian are the softness of marble in the hands of a master sculptor, humid summer evenings soaked in wine and sweat. They are the soft touch of silk, a high-cut collar angled dangerously upward towards the heavens. They dare to defy. They are rebellion.

Teya and Sera are terrible jokes and toothy grins, the cool touch of a sharp blade against the skin. They are the lights in the city on a foggy night, and the danger lurking behind every shadow. They are blasphemous - They are irreverence.

Cassia and Blackwall are honeysuckle blossoms and lamb’s wool, the crocuses peeking through the snow in the first warm days of spring. They are the calloused hands of laborers, the courage of soldiers, memories of hardship never to be forgotten. They are virtue - They are righteous.

#dragon age #da ocs #da pairings #velarric #ari x bull #nehri x solas #ash x dorian #teya x sera #cassia x blackwall #velahris lavellan #mithari lavellan #nehriel lavellan #ashann lavellan #teya adaar #cassia cadash #my pairings #my ocs #aesthetic #red speaks #red writes

[empresstress13]

3 Words

I was tagged by the amazing @saphyremelodies , the lovely @dreadhobo and wonderful @nordxz a really long time ago. ^^;

rules: say the first three things that you think of when you think of your OC(s)! (without an explanation of course) 

I’m doing them all (more or less). I apologize now. I may have started to cheat a bit and used phrases instead of words. ^^; oops

Beatrix Tabris: family, knives , pressed flowers 

Nehnara Surana: knowledge-seeker, game-changer, star-crowned

Syndis Brosca : bruised knuckles, loyal, throwing-ax

Kyria Cousland: lady knight, noblesse oblige , fairy-tales  

Ronny of Denerim : charm, secrets, quick smiles 

Elraen Mahariel : climbing trees, caring too much (just enough), home fires 

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Esther Trevelyan : garden, soaring voice, light through clouds 

Eve Trevelyan : chess, quick wit, strength 

Lilith Trevelyan : cataloged books, flame, yarn 

Revasulahn Lavellan : woven strands, stories-crafted, community

Adhlea Lavellan : strong roots, found family, 

Innanis Adaar : shooting stars, experiments , freedom

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Kyra Ilphelnodel : baking with love, big hugs, shining bright 

Nerida “Nery” Wick : water in the desert, snakes, “if I’m quite enough . . .”

Astaraelle “Raelle” Norden : aerial, wanderlust, free spirit 

Gwen Galakiir : yaks, muscles, pretty in pink

Corinna Brisori Liv-Ilamir : books, crystals, brittle

Lillian Kirkston : veiled emotion, guarded, strong spirit 

Urraca Kirkston : carpe diem, lucky coin, running  

Aoife Verd: family, growth, hope (gained and lost)  

Thalassa “Thallie” Yoztli : sun across water, pastel, bone-deep Ariliel “Ari”:  Books & Blades, Wind, Determined  Runa Saltseeker: Instrument Strings, Binding Thread, Shatter Eirlys Grynn: Fresh Bread, Calloused Hands, Shield 

tagging: @wardsarefunctioning @zanidragon @katalyna-rose , @theladypirate  @littleblue-eyedbird @saphyremelodies @dirthara-mama @justanartsymainblog @savvylittleminx @hansaera @lycheejellytea @nordxz @solverne-02 @witchofthewakingsea @shiftyarchfey

As always:  Feel free to ignore! Only do this if you have the time and/or inclination.♥ Love y’all!

#my ocs #urraca #aoife #ariliel #ari #lillian #corinna #raelle #gwen #nery #kyra #runa #eirlys

[the-eldritch-it-gay]

1-3 for as many/few ocs as you’d like

ayyyy, I’ll just do them for all of the ones I listed, yeah. While some are d&d charas or w/e, I also have them in my da-worldstates. 

EDIT: tumblr really fucked up the format wow, so lets see if this time the format/edits stay. fixed some typos too, my brain thinks faster than I can type.

Amal -

Age: 37 (during the events of Inquisition, 27 in DAO)

Birthday: March 13th (or w/e the Thedas equivalent is), 9:04 Dragon

Star Sign: Pisces

Gender Identity: Nonbinary masculine (he/they)

Orientation: Bisexual, Polyamorous. In my default worldstate, he’s in a relationship with Zevran and Morrigan.

Azrael (Trevelyan) - 

Age: ?? (In D&D, she was centuries old, otherwise barring vampirism I would put her in her 30s or so).

Birthday: September 3rd

Star Sign: Virgo

Gender Identity: Woman (she/her)

Orientation: Lesbian. In D&D she’s married to an elf woman named  Esperanza. 

Badr al-Din Lavellan- 

Age: 33 

Birthday: July 25th, 9:08 Dragon

Star Sign: Leo

Gender Identity: Agender/NB (they/he)

Orientation: Bisexual. I usually have them romance Cass or Dorian.

Elane’lunalen Mahariel-

Age: 36 (during the events of Inquisition, 26 in DAO)

Birthday: October 30th, 9:05 Dragon

Star Sign: Scorpio

Gender Identity: Man (he/him)

Orientation: Gay. Was in a relationship with Tamlen, but in DA:O he starts to fall for Zevran in a slow-burn friends-to-lovers way. In my default worldstate, Ane’lun and Zevran are together, with Zevran also being in the relationship with Amal. 

Eulàlia Cousland

Age: 31 (during Inquisition, 21 during DAO)

Birthday: April 22nd, 9:10 Dragon

Star Sign: Taurus

Gender Identity: Vaguely feminine (she/her)

Orientation: Lesbian. With her as a Warden I have her romance Leliana, but in my default worldstate she ends up in Kirkwall and romances Isabela.

Joaquín Hawke

Age: 34 (During Inquisition, 24 at the start of DA2)

Birthday: May 25th, 9:07 Dragon

Star Sign: Gemini

Gender Identity: Man (he/him)

Orientation: Gay. He romances Fenris and as far as I care they’re happily married and safe. Miss me with that Hawke dies in the Fade or disappears after going to Weisshaupt. Let my characters have fucking happy gentle endings.

N��Abjidynen Za’arslu

Age: ???? (Their age is complicated in D&D, otherwise I imagine they’re in their late twenties maybe. Who knows? Certainly not Abjid).

Birthday: February 1st

Star Sign: Aquarius 

Gender Identity: “what are u a cop??? fuck off” (Genderfluid, they/he)

Orientation: Bisexual. In my D&D campaign they’re canonically with Mollymauk because that’s just Iconic, Chaotic genderfluid bisexauls in love hell yeah.

Saaraas Adaar

Age: 35

Birthday: January 17th, 9:06 Dragon

Star Sign: Capricorn

Gender Identity: Woman

Orientation: Pansexual. Honestly I think she would be good with Cassandra, but since BioWare made her straight I’ve had her flirting with Blackwall and Josie.

Serafine Tabris

Age: 35 (during Inquisiton, 25 in DAO)

Birthday: April 9th, 9:06 Dragon

Star Sign: Aries

Gender Identity: No (they/them)

Orientation: Bisexual. When they’re a Warden, They romance Zevran or Morrigan. In my default Worldstate they end up in Kirkwall and romance Merrill. 

Vyrian Xhojsia

Age: ? (in d&d they’re like, 113 or so. Otherwise I would imagine them maybe in their 30s at the least, since they have at least one Ph.D.)

Birthday: June 14th

Star Sign: Scorpio

Gender Identity: Nb feminine (they/she)

Orientation: Bisexual. I’ve never had them in a relationship (outside of 1001days), but they do flirt all the time (esp w women) despite their low charisma. In d&d though they had canonically been in a relationship with a female pirate captain that they traveled with during their research. (They ended up writing a book/paper about the culture/livestyle of pirates, conviently changing all identifying information to keep the pirates out of trouble).

#Eldritch IT Speaks #Eldritch IT Asks #OC: Amal #OC: Badr #OC: Elane'lunalen #OC: Eulàlia #OC: Joaquín #OC: Abjid #OC: Saaraas #OC: Serafine #OC: Vyrian #zeesqueere

[dungeons-and-dragon-age]

Here's the second batch! Only took me *checks notes* half a year xdd

#i did miss october rip but its still autumn! #couldnt settle on a species for lilian and ari for a long time but ended up going with wolf and goat #wolf bc liam was already a dog and idk i thought it would be fun to have them be a similar species #and ari i settled on goat simply for the excuse to give him horns and a goatee lolol #(the other options i had in mind for lilian were alligator and some brand of bird; for ari the other main contender was mouse) #my art #my ocs #oc: kalagna brosca #oc: lilian hawke #oc: ari adaar #probably shouldve adjusted the limbs n stuff more but mehh #also ik this style is done in vectors technically but its more fun to do it manually :p #i like when it looks a bit wonky and imperfect

[impossibletruths]

old character designs/concepts I have rediscovered while flipping through my sketchbook and the notes included with them:

arys lavellan (”smol angry elf woman”)

erik trevelyan (”mage, v dramatic, could give dorian a run for his $”)

markus adaar (”p chill”)

an unnamed elf with dreads woven with gold and some very ugly leggings

kyveli of the amazons (”enjoys: long walks on the beach; shooting things”)

twin elves named valeria and valrion

also: 

the absolute ugliest damn drawing of matt mercer (sorry matt)

a surprisingly adventurous vax&rq piece

actually a lot of surprisingly adventurous critical role fanart huh

a number of old d&d maps including wallowdale and a fully colored map of tersa broken down by region

two full pages of notes and logistics for the thesis film I never made lol

numerous old vesper/ikea/bran/ahki/sol/iphindriel/tenni/etc designs

the note “in the hinterlands vesper goes off on her own for the first time in years just to affirm that she can and laughs until she cries” which, ouch

bran’s original character sheet in hardcopy, which I’ve never actually used

THE STORYBOARD FOR CHAPTER ONE OF IT STARTS WITH AN EARTHQUAKE?

the very first eniko sketch I ever drew (he had more hair then)

fern nenny omfg

the note “roll better” in all caps next to a shopping list (also the note “drunk middy is so cute”)

“1-800-makeramidying” I din’t know what meme that was from but lol

many of my friends’ ocs

god I really couldn’t draw sabine huh

pocketwatch!! and elise my love

the whole varania party oh man

rockband faith

a surprisingly good vola (girl hot)

nessie rundstrom

"I guess we make some sacrifices”/”I guess we do” I think? this is an eniko conversation I wrote down?? actually maybe it is ikea hmmm

yeah

#I was gonna do a 'vesper then and now' comparison and I got sidetracked lol #there's a buncha stuff in here huh #herdy blerg

[vulpixelates]

My OCs: The Master List

Guild Wars 2

Kaia Darkbrand - norn thief/daredevil, disaster bisexual

Ingunn Wildslayer - norn ranger/druid, valkyrie goddess

Isoldra of Dawn - sylvari guardian, sunshine plant mom

Sajaa Eren - human revenant, magical girl chic

Rune Valiante - human elemental, big bitch/bush energy

Mass Effect

Ro Shepard - Vanguard, Spacer, Sole Survivor, Renegon - ♡ pansexual, Garrus & Aria - canon

Letha Shepard - Adept, Earthborn, Sole Survivor, Paragon - ♡ queer, Liara

Ben Shepard - Sentinel, Earthborn, War Hero, Paragon - ♡ straight, Tali

Sara Ryder - Casual, Emotional, Vanguard - ♡ pansexual, Liam & Peebee - canon

Quinn Ryder - Professional, Emotional, Infiltrator - ♡ pansexual, TBD

Dragon Age

Luce Cousland - Noble rogue - ♡ bisexual, Alistair

Aden Brosca - Dwarf rogue - ♡ bisexual, TBD

Amatia Amell - Human mage - ♡ pansexual, Morrigan - canon

Nora Hawke - Mage - ♡ demisexual lesbian, Isabela - canon

Leven Hawke - Rogue - ♡ bisexual, Merrill

Ioren Lavellan - Dalish elf mage - ♡ bisexual, Blackwall & Alistair - canon

Julien Trevelyan - Human rogue - ♡ bisexual, Dorian

Elera Lavellan - Dalish elf - ♡ heteroromantic & asexual, Solas

Hessa Adaar - Qunari rogue - ♡ lesbian, Sera

D&D

Elen Arel - chaotic good, half-elf, arcane trickster, smuggler - ♡ bisexual, Kilgore - retired

Arrora - rebel good, half-elf, circle of the moon druid, outlander - ♡ demisexual lesbian - retired

Caerellia Asperanas - chaotic good, aboleth tiefling, wild magic sorcerer - ♡ queer, Volusena & Mahraz & Lilith - active

Kara Avasdottir - lawful good, valkyrie paladin -  ♡ lesbian, Leira - played

Leda Damaris - chaotic good, Tiamat tiefling, fist of the forest druid -  ♡ queer, Faeruit - retired

Gadget Qirie - chaotic good, orc/gnome/elf arcane engineer -  ♡ queer - active

Medal “Whit” Whitforge - rebel good, mountain dwarf artificer, revolutionist -  ♡ bisexual- played

Thea - neutral good, forest nymph godkin, druid/monk, folk hero - ♡ pansexual  - to be played

Rhialla Stormhaven - chaotic good, aasimar champion, haunted one -  ♡ queer - retired

Ryla Anzar - neutral good, tiefling of the Morrigan, witch, spirit medium - ♡ pansexual - active

Wynrie Iathromi - neutral good, orc/elf, fist of the forest druid - ♡ queer, Reima Agaestil - played

Lodden Rhithron - chaotic good, sea nymph, swashbuckler pirate - ♡ bisexual, Aelius Evenwind & Eila Vorasil - played

Elixaris Iloeni - chaotic neutral, changeling, rogue mastermind - ♡ bisexual - played

Ru Evenwind - neutral good, half-elf/half-gnome, hermetic mage - ♡ lesbian, Kaza - played

Rowan Orda - chaotic good, half-elf/forest gnome fate cleric, acolyte -  ♡ clueless bisexual, Qadri - on hold

Aja Sky-Bearer - neutral good, elf/aasimar, order of the immortal mystic, hermit and herbalist -  ♡ panromantic demisexual - on hold

Ubati Rahazur - neutral good, orc/goliath ranger, monster hunter - ♡ lesbian, Cleo Eronette  - on hold

Cosima Colwycke - chaotic good, aasimar arcane trickster, noble -  ♡ lesbian, Alys Keenseeker - on hold

Canary “Ary” Longshot - chaotic good, gloom stalker ranger, war deserter - ♡ queer, Cybil Winddriver - for one shots

Brigh Orlaith - neutral good, wild fey sidhe bard, sapphic poet -  ♡ lesbian, Hera - on hold

Verna - chaotic neutral, half-elf, illusion wizard, archaeologist - ♡ queer, Sigrun - retired

Ellywick “Wick” Coppercrank III - neutral good, rock gnome gunsmith/hexgun warlock, astronomer -  ♡ bisexual - on hold

Ashes Orra - chaotic good, infernal tiefling ill-rigger turned retribution cleric -  ♡ lesbian, Theodora Conyver - to be played

Erasmia Diagoras - chaotic neutral, reincarnated eladrin sorcerer, revolutionist - ♡ queer, Nisea Minos - to be played

Aaliyah Rahal - neutral, aasimar tattoed temple monk/rogue, tomb raider - ♡ pansexual, Andrea Colwycke - played

Vanja Velikova - chaotic good, fetchling shadow sorcerer/grave cleric, charlatan -  ♡ bisexual - for one shots

Stranger Still (RPG)

Poppy Harris - strange forest ranger - ♡ pansexual, Callie Hayworth  - active

Renna “neuralc0re” Hezal - amnesiac space hacker, punk ass rebel - ♡ lesbian, ET - active

Lo Mistrel - chosen one ghost whisperer -  ♡ bisexual, Tula Chochokpi - active

Kit Wright - private detective, conspiracy nerd - ♡ bisexual, Neya - on hold

Vela Warders - jack of all trades scientist, mutant - ♡ pansexual, Cy & Vier - on hold

Margeaux Darkeaux - possessed tattoo artist, wannabe chosen -  ♡ lesbian, Jude Jinx - on hold

Audre Amador-Ripley - nosy journalist and witch - ♡ bisexual, Violet & Vivienne - active

Sable Calabar - cursed witch, seer -  ♡ lesbian, Harriet Still - active

Ramona Beaumont - engineer and future chosen  -  ♡ lesbian, Alex - for one shots

Leilani Palmer - mystic witch, sculptor - ♡ pansexual, Demetria Garza - played

Priya Goodspeed - artificer witch, video game dev -  ♡ lesbian, Nyla Fuentes - played

Valerie Flores - witch, paralegal, secret superhero -  ♡ queer, Noor Rahmanzai -  played

Fallon Escamilla-Tao - alteration witch, social worker, enchanting bard - ♡ lesbian, Hadley Escamilla-Tao - played

Juniper Rosegrove - transmutation witch, writer, nature lover - ♡ bisexual, Rafi - played

Liere Pilar - witch, tattoo artist, liberator and rebel - ♡ lesbian - to be played

Imani Jelan - abjuration witch, occupational therapist, wellness enthusiast- ♡ pansexual, Olivia Flores - to be played

#saviorhide #mobileocs #i have... way too many ocs

[oopsallmabari]

oops! new about

hey y’all, i’m updating my intro since i’ve been here for 2+ years lmao. i’m ari (they/she/he), still stuck in dragon age, still having a great/terrible time.

currently a student, always bi, black, and tired, almost always ready to talk DA-feel free to dump thoughts into my askbox anytime. i have a pretty consistent tagging system and will tag for critical posts, but really i am just here to play with my ocs like barbie dolls. i also have an art tag!

my (main) ocs:

wardens: veria surana, daithi mahariel, noah cousland

hawkes: levi and jelani

inquisitors: rhea adaar, arya trevelyan, ikenna cadash

this isn’t an nsfw blog but be aware that i am an adult and operate this blog accordingly. likes/replies/follows come from my personal, @waterbearable!

racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, sexism, and fatphobia will earn you a swift block-as always, be respectful!

#about me

[verbjectives]

sometimes u just gotta assign dnd classes to ur dragon age ocs

wardens

sofia cousland: fighter, battle master

hesperia tabris: paladin, oath of vengence 

ari surana: wizard, school of conjuration/ fighter, edlritch knight multiclass

hawkes

tsisana hawke: monk, way of shadow

antonio hawke: barbarian, path of the berserker

weisheng hawke: cleric, life domain

inquisitors

voski lavellan: ranger, hunter

valeria trevelyan: fighter, champion

vanna adaar: druid, circle of land (swamp)

#this has been in my drafts for months #but i had been having trouble figuring out what my tabris would be #n then it came to me in the shower today #so anyway i'll just dump this here #verbs whines for ts