#pro chibnall

[paulrobinsonshotel]

Steven Moffat

Gives Ten an equally important role to Eleven in his anniversary special, Makes RTD's Time War central to the episode's storyline, and resolves it in a way that doesn't undermine Nine and Ten's character arcs, gives Billie Piper a major role without infringing on Rose's storyline, gives Paul McGann the regeneration story he deserves, gets Tom Baker back on the show one last time, and gives us one very brief, tantalising tease of the next Doctor. And all this was while having no actors under contract, and BBC executives constantly interfering.

Chris Chibnall

Used his final story to bring back two beloved companions from the classic era, and gives them closure with their respective Doctors. Brings back several Classic Doctors and the Fugitive Doctor to aid Thirteen in her final battle, and revealed that companions from throughout the Doctor's life have been getting together and supporting each other, as they will now do for Yaz. And this was in the aftermath of the pandemic, and at a point when a new showrunner couldn't be found, with no idea what future the show had.

Russell T Davies

After getting near complete creative control of the show in time for the 60th anniversary, burns the Thirteenth Doctor's outfit away, immediately pivots back to his Doctor and his companion, with just some old villains to represent the other 55 years of the show. Doesn't bring back any other elements from the show's history until the third episode, and even then, has Mel and Kate play second fiddle to his characters. Doubles down on the self-indulgence of The End of Time by refusing to have Tennant regenerate at all, uses the Fifteenth Doctor's introduction to give Ten a happy ending rather than letting Ncuti Gatwa define his character on his own terms as every one of his predecessors has done. And writes the Nobles (his characters once again) as the one true found family the Doctor needs, as though the Ponds and River and Clara and the Fam were just passing acquaintances.

Two of these are constantly accused of trying to undermine the show and making it all about themselves. I'll let you decide which one it isn't.

#doctor who #anti rtd #60th anniversary #60th rant #i will forever be salty about this #pro moffat #pro chibnall #Can the 70th and/or 75th anniversaries please be devoid of RTD/Tennant era content?

[unnamedmedicalprofessional]

If you are doctor who showrunner and there is not at least one episode per season that seems like it was written by a five year old who had way too much sugar than you are bad at your job and should be fired

#doctor who #doctorwho #pro moffat #steven moffat #eleventhdoctor #eleventh doctor #tenth doctor #ninth doctor #twelfth doctor #twelfthdoctor #pro rtd #pro chibnall #moffatera #rtd era #chibnall era #classic doctor who #first doctor #second doctor #third doctor #fourth doctor #fifth doctor #sixth doctor #seventh doctor #russell t davies #chris chibnall

[evviejo]

it cracks me up how in The Post About No Women Writers in Doctor Who Between 2008-2015 people try to defend rtd and moffat and bash on chibnall by saying "at least rtd and moffat had queer writers, so there was diversity" and by "queer writers" they mean rtd himself (how generous of him to give himself the opportunity!) and mark gatiss (a.k.a. close collaborator of notoriously misogynistic moffat).

and then they completely leave out the fact that the first time there was a person of colour with a writing credit was in chibnall era (malorie blackman co-writing rosa) and that there indeed was a queer writer involved (ella road co-writing legend of the sea devils). and sure, they both collaborated on those with chibnall, but he still had a black woman involved to write about racism and a queer woman to write a sapphic relationship focused episode.

and chibnall managed to do much better in 31 episodes than either rtd or moffat did in 60 and 84 episodes respectively. was this perfect and no further work is required? sure not. but he at least tried instead of throwing a hissy fit over how "young writers are so angry and their scripts are sooo bad". he actually got them on board, collaborated with them, and gave them a platform. this is the way forward.

#dw stuff #anti rtd #anti moffat #pro chibnall #negativity

[13thdoctorposts]

Reading that people were complaining about 13 era Who in the Women in Doctor Who panel at Dragon Con is very telling. 

If you cant have a Woman in Doctor Who panel without people complaining about 13 era Who I almost don’t even know what to say. 

The era that had the first female Doctor, the first South Asian companion who was also female, it highlighted numerous female historical figures including Rosa Parks, Ada Lovelace, Noor Inayat Khan, Mary Shelly, Mary Seacole and Madam Ching. Plus it had more female writers in 3 series, then the rest of Who… there is so much positive you could talk about with 13 era Who on the topic of Women in Doctor Who even if the writing wasn’t for you.. It was a good time to be a Woman in Doctor Who. 

So if a panel on that topic cant see that, if a large part of an audience at a panel can’t and would prefer to complain about 13 era Who and make the environment feel hostile to 13 era fans please don’t tell me its just ‘bad writing’ and not misogyny. If you personally feel like you aren’t a misogynist and it is just ‘bad writing’ good for you but you are still in bed with the misogyny that runs rife in this fandom.

Also when it comes to 13 era Who the way the women are written is actually far more respectful and not sexualised unlike the previous eras so unless you think all female character should be sexualised in Who you cant really complain about 13 era Who on that writing front.

Also I feel sorry for the fact that you had to spend each episode working out what people were going to hate about it instead of just enjoying it before going online because you knew if you ever had a positive opinion the fandom would eat you alive for that opinion. Who knows maybe it wasn’t Chibnall or the other 9 writers who were supposedly so terrible at their jobs that made you hate the show sooo much maybe it was the fact you knew you couldn’t go online and ever say you loved something without getting piled on so instead you had to find everything wrong with it so you could be in with the in crowd. Maybe the fandom conditioned you to hate the show more so than the writing. 

If you put the same over analytical glasses on and watched the RTD and Moffatt eras you could find just as many things to hate about the writing, but they didn’t have a female Doctor did they? So all their short comings are irrelevant. Theres so much to love in all the eras I’m sorry you were conditioned not to see the good in this era and could only see the bad.

#13th doctor #thirteen #thirteenth doctor #13 #Chibnall #Chris Chibnall #chibnall era #chibnall love #pro chibnall #pro 13 era who #pro women representation

[master-missysversion]

My most controversial opinion is probably the one that also seems to go against a lot of 13 fans and its that I like Chris Chibnall. I like his writing and he seems like a nice guy

#doctor who #pro chibnall #chris chibnall

[phyrexian-lesbian]

Random question, but if Moffat had been asked back instead of RTD, do you think he would've done the same things (burned Thirteen's outfit away, dragged Murray Gold back, made the 60th all about his Doctor and his Companion, ignored Chibnall era companions entirely, used the 60th as a fix-it fic for his favourites)? I don't agree with everything Moffat has said and done, but I genuinely can't imagine him using an anniversary special to celebrate himself.

i do not think he would have done that. first of all, the way he writes stories are all about loss and change and new beginnings. so the reusing of an old face and bigeneration would have been gone. on that point though he did bring back baker for the 50th so he may have done an old face, but i doubt he would have burned away the old clothes. the new doctor may have changed quickly (like we saw with twelve) but he would not mess with that. if he did, however, he would make it a central plot point rather than just forgetting about it. also he would have included a LOT more references to classic and previous modern who into the 60th- like the Black Archive and the Time War did in the 50th. he’d definitely touch on some chibnall era stuff, maybe even make them a central plot (like how he made the stolen earth a plot point in s5). oh and i believe it would have come out on the 23rd exactly as well. i’m not sure about the score, but i think there’s an equal chance that he would’ve kept anikola or brought back gold.

all in all, i doubt he’d have made a face return, but if he did he would make it a central part of the plot and have it eventually explained in detail. and it would have felt more like an anniversary and we would have a good regeneration story. i too dont agree with moffat on everything but i do believe that he’s grown a lot as a writer since his first appearance on doctor who. i am convinced that he would not have made it a self servicing arc.

#doctor who #anti rtd #pro chibnall #pro moffat #chris chibnall #steven moffat

[ahintofpanic13]

My brain just won’t shut up, but can you imagine if Chibs had made that? People would have ripped it to pieces! I’m sorry but some of that CGI? Oof . They would STILL be complaining all these years later.

#can’t help it sorry #worried I’m going to be bitter forever and it’s a shame #pro chibnall #wild blue yonder #doctor who #rtd2 #doctor who spoilers #doctor who specials

[wheelybard]

Seriously, Chibnall wrote some of my favourite Doctor Who episodes.

Spyfall Part 1

Revolution of the Daleks

War of the Sontarans

As well as co-writing

Fugitive of the Judoon

Village of the Angels

#doctor who #pro chibnall

[gayleviticus]

as much as i do dislike the chibnall era on a fundamental level, i think that my problem w it is just that like... it's not well made? but i don't think it fails to be doctor who in any sense, which i feel like is the tack a lot of pro-rtd anti-moff (and to an extent anti-chib, but i think moff gets it worse bc ppl just did not watch the chib era) criticism takes. it feels like people just constantly criticise the moff era for not being rtd who (it's too focused on the doctor, we don't see companion families, the companions aren't as down to earth, modern earth is no longer a consistent setting w continuity etc). and sure, some of these criticisms are legit in themselves, and a degree of comparison is fair, i do it w the chib era, but i dunno, when it feels like there's a whole laundry list of moffat era 'problems' that boil down to 'its not the rtd era' it feels like a lot of feverent rtd good moffat bad criticism is implicitly pushing for a very narrow and limited view of what doctor who should be.

#doctor who #doctor who discourse #chibnall critical #pro moffat

[abossycontrolfreak]

Now that I’m back on my Doctor Who bullshit, looking for some new (or old) blogs to follow who are posting interesting analysis, whether it be in meta, tag or gifset form!

#pro Clara is a must obvs #and tbh I don’t really care for Chibnall era analysis #but anyone who’s been interesting so far about the specials please send me recs!

[hagstones-and-howling-hills]

Nothing better than gushing over Doctor Who in the gc

#debating the pros and cons of chibnalls era #and foaming at the mouth over davies's writing of 9 and 10 #wills whisps

[paulrobinsonshotel]

Another Master hot-take:

Putting Dhawan's Master between Simm and Gomez does a huge disservice to all three incarnations.

Missy's entire personality is carved out of Simm!Master's character arc. And Dhawan's personality is carved out of Missy's character arc.

His incarnation was all about exploring why the Master turned to evil in the first place, while also being too spiteful to consider reconciling with the Doctor. Hence why he's enraged at the very thought of the Doctor's forgiveness, and chooses to die just to hurt the Doctor that little bit more. He finally discovers the truth of what he is, and while he rightfully directs his anger at Rassilon rather than the Doctor, he's still too spiteful to consider standing with the Doctor, and murders his future self to prevent it.

So, he wakes up as Missy, with no recollection of the events on the colony ship, but plenty of memories of The End of Time and an understanding of why she is the way she is. But now the spite and pettiness has gone. Now she understands why their friendship went sour in the first place, she has no reason to fight and oppose the Doctor, so she seeks instead to reconcile with him, albeit in The Master's typically twisted way, and with her typical narcissism. And in the end, she becomes someone that is not kind, at least not in the way the Doctor wants her to be, but values their friendship enough to try.

Sticking Dhawan in-between them throws that character arc away completely. If Simm regenerated into Dhawan and discovered the Timeless Child, he would still be insecure and bitter that he couldn't be the Doctor's equal, but the spite and arrogance from Simm would've boiled over to the point he would've killed the Doctor straight away. (This would've happened with Missy too if she'd discovered the Timeless Child early in her incarnation). It's only because Missy so badly wanted to stand with the Doctor as equals ("A friendship older than your civilisation and infinitely more complex") that he's so hurt that they aren't equals at all. That's why the only way out for him is designed for them to die together. Because he doesn't want to live if he can't stand with the Doctor as her equal.

It's ultimately a beautiful and intricate character arc, told by three fantastic writers, brought to life by three wonderful actors, with incredible heart and emotion poured into it by Murray Gold and Segun Akinola's compositions.

#doctor who #simm!master #missy #dhawan!master #the drumming #timeless child #pro rtd #pro moffat #pro chibnall #murray gold #segun akinola #masterposting

[unnamedmedicalprofessional]

The upside of Chibnall leaving and RTD coming back is that I didn't like the Chibnall era and I will probably really like the second RTD era. The downside of this is because of the general negativity of the fandom. I usually didn't mind hearing people rag on Chibnall as long as it wasn't misogynistic or racist (and I'm pretty good at avoiding that side of the fandom). On the other hand, once the RTD era starts there's a high probability I'll be hearing a bunch of really bad takes about why RTD is a hack and that'll be really annoying.

#doctor who #pro rtd #anti chibnall #rtd era #russell t davies

[evviejo]

the closer we get to rtd2 and the more i think about it, the better i understand why i find it so hard to get excited about the new era and why i loved 13's so much

while pretty much everything about the new era, especially the 60th, feels repetitive, boring and overhyped to me, 13's (no matter its flaws) was new, it was something different, while still maintaining the feel and the spirit of the show. it was new enough to feel like it wasn't something they simply popped into the microwave, but old enough to still be doctor who. the show had taken what it had already been, learnt its lessons, and tried to do better. think what you want about the results, they tried.

whether rtd's learnt any lessons remains to be seen.

#dw stuff #anti rtd #pro chibnall

[13thdoctorposts]

These guys have done their podcast with Chibs and lucky for us they went so long it's going to be 2 parts! It's so wonderful getting such positive 13 content especially when its be very lacking from the BBC, fans loving 13 and making this stuff happen is just so wonderful.

Also I think we might be getting some Thasmin chat from Chibs because I also saw the podcast commented on this ridiculous take that 13 didn't have feelings for Yaz...

I'm so excited to be getting some exciting new positive 13 content!! Even if your not big on podcasts I think this one will be well worth the listen!

You'll be able to find the podcast here once its up, they are hoping for Sunday, 10 Sep 23.

It's like being excited for episodes again! 😃 It's a good feeling.

#13th doctor #thirteenth doctor #thirteen #13 #yasmin khan #thasmin #yaz #yaz khan #13 era #dw #chris chibnall #Chibnall love #Chibnall era #pro chibnall #graham o'brien #ryan sinclair #dan lewis #13 era DW #13 era Who #dw series 11 #dw series 12 #dw series 13 #spymaster #fugitive doctor #dhawan!master

[master-missysversion]

I talk about 13s run a lit when I talk about Chris Chibnall but yk I have to say i also really love his episodes from other runs. Like 42, the s5 silurian episodes, dinosaurs on a spaceship, the power of three. I love all of them.

Also the pond life miniseries and the short film "PS" 🥺

#i like 42 but chibnalls stuff with the ponds is uniquely special to me #he gave us the return of the silurians - one of the most gut wrenching amy scenes - Petronella Osgood - Brian Williams - #modern era Kate Stewart - anthony williams - the doctor being domestic - queen Nefertiti - and just generally characterisation that i love #doctor who #pro chibnall #chris chibnall