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lestatslestits · 8 months

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My Gabriel hot take is that the reason he’s Like That in season one is because God designed him to be someone who is really passionate about, like, operating charcoal grills and experimenting with microbrewing, and he’s not getting appropriate enrichment in Heaven, which is leading to behavioral issues.

My ideal season 3 Gabriel plotline would be that he has chilled out into a friendly, weirdly well-adjusted guy whose deepest desire is to host barbecues. I also think he should have decided, apropos of nothing, that Aziraphale and Crowley are his best friends, with seemingly no understanding that Crowley holds a grudge and would immolate him at the first opportunity. He calls them frat bro names like “Big Z” and “Crow Man,” and wants to invite them over for board game and charcuterie nights and Beelzebub has to be like “babe they absolutely do NOT want to come over for board game and charcuterie nights.”

#good omens #good omens season 2 #ineffable bureaucracy #gabriel good omens #beelzebub good omens #gomens #show omens

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allysdelta · 3 months

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A companion piece to my Crowley comic, in which Book and TV Aziraphale have their own little heart-to-heart over sushi. Angelic bedside manner isn't really all it's cracked up to be.

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#Aly tries to art #Good Omens #Book Omens #Aziraphale #Crowley #Show Omens #witness seven pages of the artist struggling with the enigma that is Michael Sheen's face #As someone once said: Adaptation is not marriage and changes are not adultery #CrossOmens

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tweedfeather · 9 months

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Four for tea, and FOUR MORE DAYS until Good Omens season 2!! 🥂🥂🍾

@goosetooths posted their countdown art yesterday — @lonicera-caprifolium will be sharing theirs tomorrow!!

#good omens #good omens art #good omens 2 #good omens season 2 #ineffable husbands #Aziraphale #Crowley #book omens #show omens #my art

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halemerry · 8 months

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The thing is. When people look at Book Omens and Show Omens there are a few different things that can happen. Sometimes you get people who try and shove them into one universal true canon. Sometimes you get people totally dissociating them from each other into two separate entities. And, to be clear, I don’t think either of these options is inherently bad to do - I myself defaulted to the latter for quite awhile after season 1 aired - and I always think folks should choose to view these characters in the way that makes them happy. For that matter, I think that there's nothing wrong with disliking a version or preferring one over the other or even ignoring one exists. But, I do think a lot of analysis I have seen has a tendency to remove the characters from their context in a way that does them a bit of a disservice. Because their context matters quite a bit.

Book Omens and Show Omens were made in two very different worlds facing two very different problems and two very different futures stretching out in front of them. The Book belongs in the context of a world on its way out of the Cold War while the Show belongs to a world starting to buckle under the weight of capitalism’s pressure. The evils in the story reflect these two world states - which I think is a good thing. As much as I love the book, if the show had just done the Cold War allegory, I don’t think it would’ve hit quite the same way and could've easily felt dated.

The most notable impact narratively from this shift is the fact that Heaven and Hell both have a more constant presence. Show Aziraphale and Crowley feel far more watched and actively monitored than they do in the book, especially in Aziraphale’s case. His relationship with Heaven especially is far more ‘boss checking the quarterly numbers’ or ‘oppressive family head checks in on their younger sibling’ than it is ‘spy reporting his findings’. And this shift is a huge one as far as what it means for our characters and their context.

Take for example, a small exchange of dialogue in the book where Crowley and Aziraphale do something that we know for a fact would never happen in the show - where they discuss the admittedly slim possibility of each other’s side granting of each other asylum. This is dialogue that works quite well if you’re looking at them as two spies with wavering loyalties but does not work for the show version of our protagonists, because the pressures they face from Heaven and Hell are different. The same thing goes in reverse for the Bandstand scene - a scene that is not in the book at all because it works far better in a show interested in a character facing pressure from a toxic family than it would in a book where Heaven’s presence is a very distant one.

And this right here is where we end up with the question of character consistency. There’s traits that each version of Aziraphale and Crowley have that the other does not, which leads to them feeling like two sets of characters in a way that can make them feel like the show is occasionally out of character. But it’s not really that, I don’t think. I think that's just a side effect of viewing them out of context. And I think a lot of those differences and the ways they manifest make a lot more sense if they're viewed like aus - because that's what they are in a lot of ways. The Book is a Cold War au and the Show is a modern au. They’re different, yes, but still undoubtedly them.

#good omens #book omens #crowley #aziraphale #show omens #good omens season 2 #rambles #just been rotating this in my head for a few days #one of these days ill ramble about crowleys optimism but for now have this

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deathdecayglitter · 8 months

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Hello apparently I’m not the only person to imagine things going differently for our darling husbands in the different forms of media so have this meme that I planned to send to like two friends

#good omens #show omens #radio omens #book omens #I gotta re listen to the radio get a better hang of who they are there

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creapysummer · 9 months

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we as a fandom don't talk about the good omens multiverse as much as we should just think about the comedic opportunity of all the ineffable spouses interacting with each other

#i read one fic with this premise and it was so good but its unfinished and now im craving more #good omens #show omens #book omens #radio omens #ineffable husbands #ineffable wives #ineffable spouses #good omens multiverse

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no-brain-only · 10 months

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I think the difference between Aziraphale and Crowleys relationship in the book vs the show is that in the show, it's a very slow-burn, will-they-wont-they romance. But in the book, they've been married since the Arrangement. Nobody can change my mind on this.

Not to say it was like a big thing with vows or anything, they just sauntered vaguely into a married state.

#book omens #vs #show omens #good omens #aziraphale #crowley

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ineffable-rohese · 6 months

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Just thinking about how in Book Omens Aziraphale is a fem coded intellectual gay (male) and Crowley is a masc coded business gay (male).

Whereas in Show Omens, Aziraphale is masc-but-in-a-flaming-foppish-but-also-casual-way gay (as in happy) and Crowley is fem-but-in-a-butch-punk-androgenous-way queer (as in fuck you).

The show team really took a look at some pretty gay source material and went, yeah, but how can we queer this up even more and I love them for it.

#good omens #book omens #show omens #aziraphale #crowley #gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide #crowley is a genderfluid icon #ineffable idiots #neil gaiman #terry pratchett

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ineffablelvrs · 8 months

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you know what i find hilarious. good omens fandom naming different versions of it by literally what they are. they're all good omens but they also have other names. show omens. book omens. radio omens. are we gonna start calling the graphic novel novel/comic omens. do people call the musical musical omens. never change please keep doing that

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #ineffable husbands #good omens 2 #show omens #book omens #radio omens #good omens graphic novel #good omens the musical

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meltingpenguins · 9 months

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Okay... wait... 4 (four!) years and we do NOT have a single Good Omens cosplayer doing a reel of 'book!crowley vs show!crowley' comparing the two?

Like we literally have things like show!crowley being all '*smoohtly hands over basket* here's the antichrist, now go to room 3 and get this party started *dramatic cool hairflip* VS book!crowley's *shoves basket into sister mary's hands* Here! have an antichrist. your problem now *absconds*

Really? Not a single full on skit?

#good omens #show omens #book omens #good omens cosplay

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thatskindarough · 5 months

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Crowley and Optimism (kinda short)

I often see people mention Crowley being characterized as an optimist, and a lot of times they’re referencing Show Crowley. Although I dont think this is entirely inaccurate, I think it would be inaccurate to translate the book’s specific optimist characterization of Crowley onto the show. In fact, the show contradicts this characterization in an incredibly direct way.

This passage here—this is the part I’m interested in. This happens as Crowley is driving to Tadfield just after he’s left the burned down bookshop. There’s a numbered list of all the reasons the situation is hopeless and it ends specifically with the lines:

“7. He might as well find a nice little restaurant and get completely and utterly pissed out of his mind while he waited for the world to end.

8. And yet…

And that was where it all fell apart. Because, underneath it all, Crowley was an optimist.”

And then, fully believing Aziraphale was dead, or at the very least out of commission for the time being, Book Crowley drove to Tadfield to stop the apocolypse anyway.

But what does our Show Crowley do when he thinks his best friend in the whole wide world is dead? Well, he gets pissed at a bar and waits for the world to end.

This tells me two things

1.) Crowley is not as much of an optimist in the show as he is in the book.

2.) Show Crowley is far more dependent on Aziraphale than Book Crowley is.

I believe this decision was made, along with the addition of flashbacks, the bandstand breakup, and breakup pt. 2, to highlight how much closer Crowley and Aziraphale are in the show. That’s not to say Aziraphale and Crowley are not close in the book—they are very close. Just that they’ve developed a dependence in the show I don’t see in the book.

This difference in dependence is also illustrated in how they go about actually stopping the apocalypse. Mainly: Book Crowley does not try to run off to Alpha Centuri with Aziraphale. He only tries to run away when Satan is coming (and it’s not a ‘run off with Aziraphale’ type thing.) Aziraphale in the book convinces Crowley to stay and try to help by saying:

“[…]we shouldn’t let this happen to them […] I mean, when you think about it, we’ve got them into enough trouble as it is. You and me. Over the years. What with one thing and another.”

Book Azirpahale convinces Crowley basically by saying, this is our fault, and we’ve got nothing to loose.

Of course, Show Azirapahle says the iconic:

“Come up with something or — I’ll never talk to you again!”

It could be argued what trigged Show Crowley’s response to stop time and stand up to Satan was in fact Aziraphale’s plea. It was the thought of never talking to Aziraphale again, wherein the book, it was more of a general, yeah, we should probably try to save humanity. We’re gonna die if we don’t, anyway.

Then again, the stakes are much higher in the show. Satan doesn’t actually appear in the book so there ends up being no imminent threat.

I wouldn’t consider Show Crowley to not be an optimist, exactly. In 2x06 he waits by the Bentley and watches Aziraphale until he’s in the elevator and gone. He’s still hoping that maybe, just maybe, Aziraphale would turn back. So he is an optimist in some sense, but it’s not as core to him as in the book.

#good omens #good omens meta #Crowley #Aziraphale #ineffable husbands #meta #I’m sure someone’s already written about this #maybe I missed something in the book that I’m just not remembering #book omens #show omens

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janeaustenbrandysmuggler · 1 month

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I’ve been thinking about this line from Good Omens for a while:

"She used to go on about curing illnesses by using a sort of mold, and the importance of washing your hands so that the tiny little animals who caused diseases would be washed away, when every sensible person knew that a good stink was the only defense against the demons of ill health."

In the book, Agnes Nutter, whose mind was adrift in Time, and who didn’t so much see the future as remember it, told people they should wash their hands.

Sounds familiar, no?

"You might want to think about washing your hands. It's gonna be all the rage in a few years, I'm telling you."

Except these lines in the show are from Crowley - the other character who seems to have an unusual relationship with Time.

I keep coming back to the question of why there’s so much focus on that line - it’s not really furthering the action of the scenes with Mr. Dalrymple, right? So if that’s not it, then is it there for character development? If so, why is it important to know this little detail about Crowley midway through the second season of a three season show? Is it a stand-in for the helicopter scene with Da Vinci that we didn’t get in s1? (And again, why is that still important at this point for Crowley’s character?) Is it meant to draw a parallel between Crowley’s abilities and what the book says about how Agnes “saw the future” and came up with her prophecies?*

It makes me want to connect the dots to two other scenes. One from the end of the same episode:

And one we didn’t see (yet? but I really wonder if it would have been from Crowley’s perspective if we had):

Maybe I’m crossing book and show canon too much, but it jumped out at me when I was reading the book last month. I also love a good time loop story, and all this could play into some of the time-related theories for s2/s3. (And yes, I’ve seen Neil’s responses to questions about the washing hands line - seems like we’ll have to wait and see whether it’s important to s3 or whether it becomes another fun character detail to interpret in fanfic.)

*I love the book’s description of how Agnes came up with her prophecies, especially how she could only understand what she was seeing within the framework of the time she was actually living in. Yet another reason to read the book if you haven’t! And if Crowley does have a similar view of events in Time, does he have the same trouble understanding what he’s seeing?

#crowley #agnes nutter #parallels #book omens #show omens #good omens analysis #good omens speculation #good omens theories #good omens #good omens 2

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allysdelta · 3 months

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