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#this is messy but i missed drawing tma so take it!
twolovelyberries · 2 years
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mag 26 - a distortion
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thedreadvampy · 3 years
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I'm a big fan of your georgie meta about how setting boundaries is incredibly hard but also completely necessary. if i can add, the fact that this is such a messy situation with no answer that's not gonna end up with someone hurt (who's doing the hurting is irrelevant here), is why it's such good horror. I love how the horror of the more interpersonal kind works alongside the clearly supernatural. It's so tragic that Georgie even had to make that choice, it's horrifying to see Jon 1/2
2/2 struggle with this addiction to hurting other people (maybe against his will? that's really the question isn't it). like i also believe georgie made the right choice but even if circumstances were different and she really cast jon off like that, she wouldn't be Problematique because this shit isn't supposed to be neat or happy
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Right? I really do struggle with the idea that we’re meant to view anyone as a Pure Victim or Pure Abuser in this show but particularly with this situation...like I’m not gonna speak for Jonny but just based on how many people my age or older have experienced something similar, and particularly given that he’s mentioned his own past experiences with addiction and self-destructive behaviour, like the. uh. the real visceral emotive horror of this horror podcast is the degree to which you can do everything you can and still not have a good answer. like. Georgie is trying to do right by everyone and Jon is trying to stop something awful happening and Martin is trying to save the world and none of them are acting maliciously or blindly, they can all see the harm that their actions are causing and isn’t that the absolute root of horror? to see it coming and not to be able to stop yourself becoming part of it?
like I don’t actually take issue with the idea that having pushed everyone away, being alone is the reason Jon can’t get out. this is very effective horror and it’s something I have watched happen time and again. I don’t take issue with the idea that Georgie made a choice which hurt Jon, knowing it would hurt him. again, that’s a horror that rings really, really true with my own experiences. it’s the same fundamental horror as when someone stays hiding in silence while a monster kills their friend - screaming or trying to fight it won’t help and will just get you both killed, but there’s a horrible emotional complicity in knowing someone will suffer and choosing not to try to save them, even when trying will only hurt everyone. that’s some Good Fuckin Storytelling
but what I do take issue with is the idea that this means that you are doing something wrong. and sorry this isn’t really a reply to you any more I’ve just been stewing on it. I really, really am very angry that people are framing “saying that Jon is acting self-destructively” as victim-blaming when the whole framework of “Georgie didn’t save him which means she’s a Bad Person” is so...implying that the reason this really painful and traumatic thing happened is because You Weren’t Strong Enough To Prevent It so it’s Your Fault (or in the case of that meta I was sent, Your Failure To Handle This Perfectly Means You Must Be Maliciously Causing Your Own Pain In Order To Hurt Others). which. assfnjghduifghduighuighdfi siri what is victim blaming
(to clarify - on distancing and reflection while I still do disagree with the original post I was responding to, I don’t actually think the intent of that post was to put fault on Georgie. the subsequent messages I got and other posts in this discourse I read, though, very much did take the position They’re All Flawed Characters Who Do Shitty Things, Here’s Why What Georgie Did Was Flawed And Shitty which. like. ok. the horror comes from the inability to respond perfectly. but the horror in that situation really is that there’s no good response, and that the way Georgie acted, bar a couple of relatively minor missteps, is literally the textbook example of How You Should Respond in this situation. the horror and the impact of that in the story is that it demonstrates that you can do everything right and still not escape causing harm to yourself and others. There simply Is No Painless Way Out. and to interpret that as saying ‘this was Malicious and Unkind and I am justifying that by pointing out that Nobody Is Perfect This Is A Horror Podcast’ misses the point in a colossal way. YES people fuck up and act thoughtlessly or maliciously in TMA but the most effective horror is when they act with compassion and thought and the best possible intentions and still cause harm because the situation is too tangled and too impossible)
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also on a different note I am really interested by your aside about “against his will” because I think with addiction (using addiction in the broad sense that includes eg self harm, anger, self-destructive or risk-taking behaviour, and paranoia/conspiratorial thinking as well as like, substance abuse) that concept is so muddy as to be meaningless and again I think that’s where the horror lies and one of the things I increasingly really like about TMA is that, as someone who’s been surrounded by a lot of those things all my life, I reckon it does a really good job of drawing out those question marks. the question of where good intentions meet bad actions, and which intentions and wants define you, and whether these addictions are imposing something on you or exposing something in you, and to what degree you control your wants and to what degree they control you. and what it means to want something you don’t want. and to choose something you’d never choose. and to be stuck in your body while you’re simultaneously sure you want something and it’s a good idea and screaming at yourself to stop. and I love the way that’s manifested in Jon’s fear of the Web and the ambiguity about to what degree the Web is the fear that everything is a manipulation and to what degree the Web is the fear that you don’t know which bits are just you. and also like. the degree that the fear of being controlled by something outside you can very readily lead you to lose all control of yourself whether or not it’s real. this is another big tangent but ARGH the WEB it’s such a GOOD DEPICTION OF COMPULSIVE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!
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tma as “the haunting of bly manor”: self-indulgent au ramblings
this started as me really loving thobm’s ending (both in general and as a representation of what i want out of tragic gay love stories in horror) and thinking “wow it’d be cool if tma ended like that,” and ended up here because i started analyzing the parallels and where other characters fit in and couldn’t stop thinking about it. indulge me on this one please
(putting this under a cut in case anyone is watching the haunting of bly manor and doesn’t want to be spoiled. i don’t think you necessarily need to have seen thobm to understand this but it probably helps.)
· okay as pieces of horror that deal a lot in tragedy and death and love and themes of being trapped and fighting against things and reliving moments in time and losing yourself to outside forces, i think thobm works really well as a template for a tma au
· to start off: martin is the storyteller. of course martin is the storyteller
·“statement of martin k. blackwood regarding… a ghost story” more on this later
· the magnus institute stands in for bly, and it’s pretty much the same except it’s in the middle of fuck-all nowhere, and is much less staffed, and half the staff just like. lives there out of necessity
· it isn’t just a temple to the eye though; it’s mostly that, but it’s also kind of like a sinkhole for all the powers. the land it’s on is a mess and divided up between the powers like a mini fearpocalypse
· consider: tim and sasha as owen and hannah come and suffer with me
· ok aside from the inherent tragedy of their stories being in parallel, consider: tim would make those awful puns and sasha would absolutely pretend to hate it
· ok but also consider: sasha dies and no one notices, not even her. she’s taken by not-sasha the lady in the lake and she dies and no one notices it, but everyone wonders where sasha’s always going, why she always seems to be so out of it.
· imagine sasha fading into the background not realizing that shes dead... tim not understanding why she's pulling away or constantly disappearing, why she acts so strangely when he suggests they run away... sasha reliving moments with tim, unable to understand why she keeps coming back to the moment where she pushed him out of the way when something was in the institute, not realizing it’s the last time she saw him alive
· “tell him i love him…” oh my god
· not sasha is the lady in the lake. just because.
· jonah elias magnus is a little bit the lady in the lake a little bit peter quint he’s got the backstory of this being his house and being there for fuck-all-ever, and he’s using all these people as cogs in the machine, trying to get them to lose themselves to the eye or anything else there, using their lives and wellbeing to benefit himself (especially jon more on that later)
· (it should be noted there’s a very good fic with a huge manor and ghosts and romantic stuff and jonah possessing people called antigonish that makes way more sense than this but anyways)
· basira and daisy are a little bit quint and rebecca jessel. not entirely; their backstory is different and so is their dynamic, and daisy doesn’t possess basira to kill her and trap her there forever or anything like that. but she does go over to the hunt and ask basira to come with her. the difference is, basira wants to
· georgie is henry wingrave. minus the spousal infidelity and secret daughter, but in that she refuses to come to the institute. she’s brushed enough with it (with the end) that she doesn’t want to come anywhere near it, or anyone involved. she’s henry wingrave who separates herself from everyone for her own preservation but also loses jon and melanie in the process… who calls all the time because she misses them and wants to either apologize or beg them to leave but can never get up the courage to say anything… who comes back to get them out and dies briefly and has her encounter with the end… who talks to sasha when she reveals she’s dead and says, “tell him i love him…” who helps melanie leave in the end…. jesus christ
· melanie and jon are both dani yes i will elaborate
· melanie is dani in that she’s the last to come, and she thinks it’s going to be a new start even though it’s anything but. (she’s running, although not from a ghostly fiancé, but from the slaughter and the war ghosts and the humiliation she faced on the internet.) she comes to give a statement and ends up never leaving, and the slaughter only tightens its hold on her. georgie disapproves. melanie wants to leave when she figures out she’s trapped but she doesn’t know how
· jon is dani in that he is the second to last to come, and also the linchpin to ending all of it. but he’s also a little bit the kids, in that he’s being manipulated and taken over by the eye and in a lot of danger but he has no idea. he’s still the archivist he still takes statements and elias (who’s a lot less present here but still has some sway over everything) is manipulating the hell out of him ala quint to miles and flora
· the covering mirrors motif pops up here somehow mirrors looking glass eye all of that
· jon still takes statements, and statements are a version of dream-hopping. where they can relive their statements and their fondest memories and all of that, but jon is unwilling voyeur to all of it
· tim and martin are the ones who don’t stay at the institute overnight. jon and melanie and sasha and basira do. gradually tim and martin start to leave less and less
· it ends in a big confrontation i’m not sure how. lake + eye imagery, the power well trying to pull everyone in. sasha accepts she’s dead. georgie comes for her loved ones. jon gives himself over to the eye to save everyone, so they can all leave
· here is where storyteller martin comes in because imagine that ending of dani and jamie in a jm context. holy fucking shit
· jon and martin who leave the institute and go to scotland on borrowed time, knowing jon will inevitably lose the rest of him to the eye someday, but wanting to spend whatever time they have left together. the safehouse period but it lasts for years pls imagine. all of that. oh my god
· jon eventually going back to the institute to protect martin and martin following him and getting there too late… that entire scene by the lake… holy shit holy shit
· storyteller martin who won’t talk about it for years before finally giving the statement (possibly at georgie and melanie’s wedding just because, possibly not like that at all). who gives the statement futilely hoping it’s the key to seeing jon again because that’s always worked before. storyteller martin who is still looking for jon years later, who fills the sinks and tubs and sleeps with the door cracked open. storyteller martin who sleeps unknowingly with jon’s hand on his shoulder
· this is messy and unformed but i’ve been screaming about it for weeks oh my god someone draw this for me
· i don’t expect actual tma to end anything like this but i’d die if it did
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skarabeus · 4 years
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Yay! I`m at the 3rd season finale, still haven`t finished the first drawing of Jon in the archives which I started when I began listening to TMA aaand I managed not to look at any fanart so I can draw the characters without being affected, only through the images that keep flashing in my head when I hear the voices :3
I need to finish my imagination's sketches soon, I wanna take a look, I’m terribly curious...
From what we`ve discussed so far, I see Jon with pale skin and not-interesting-indescribably-pepper-ish hair (that gradually get more dishevelled and messy but that`s when Jon won`t even care anymore) and for Martin there just pops in “Steven Universe but adult”, so basically shaped like a friend, light brown hair... Daisy I imagined a little bit like Farah from Dirk Gently but bored, more square jaws, skinny, long goose neck... lol XDDD Aaand I figured everyone else agreed on blond, blue-eyed Elias as well :| Which somehow just fits the bastard... sorry, blond people out there, my both best friends at schools I`d been were blond, blue-eyed and amazing, I know it`s not an automatic evil alignment!XD I`ll do the colour palettes later! :D
Goodness, I miss this even in the books, just very little description or none even and let your imagination work! Love iiit! I just want to forget what I had imagined when Michael first spoke, aaargh!:| I imagined him like this much later (or earlier, take your pick XD)
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oddmerit · 4 years
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brain will not stop thinking of a town of nowhere/magnus archives au so here is my very quick first thoughts abt entities and tton characters (pls no spoilers for season 5 of tma i'm not caught up yet)
more thoughts under the cut bc my handwriting is very messy here lol:
no where: the eye. constantly being watched by chat and trying to uncover the secrets of the town and solve the mysteries! they're kinda into the whole "gaining omnipotence and being able to get info whenever they need it" thing bc it's useful. isn't really great at dealing with the whole "ok now you have to stop the other entities so we can gain power" thing, tries to go for more of a "why don't all the entities just work together" angle which ends up causing way more harm than they anticipate. deliberately trains their seeing powers by "streaming" their statement-readings online instinctively (the same way tape recorders just seem to turn on around jon)
crystal: the stranger. jerald implies in the first ep of tton that she can assume other peoples' forms, and the whole "forcfully taking identities" thing also fits. she's pretty chill with it and just sees it as an extension (and unfortunate but inevitable side effect) of her fae powers. jury's still out on whether she actually knows she's been touched by The Stranger or if she just thinks it's normal fae stuff
noah: the flesh. was kinda flip-flopping between this and the corruption for him tbh but i've always associated the visceral and "fleshy" with him so i decided on that, but if i had to give the corruption to someone it'd be justin. very much NOT happy with being an avatar and tries to starve it (and himself) out, but just can't quite seem to shake its hold on him. willing to work with other entities' avatars just to get away from the whole flesh business
hdg + employees: the spiral, with the employees being avatars/followers and the HDG itself being a literal manifestation/attempt at a ritual
darrell: the lonely, but less a full avatar and more just someone whose life has been deeply changed by it (The Bastard is a manifestation of several avatars combined, largely the Lonely). no lives with him and he seems to be full of statements to give, but never remembers giving any
raymond: the end. a very willing avatar at that, being one of the aspects of the end that seeks out the dying in their final moments. somehow tied to noah dying and coming back as an avatar of the flesh but neither of them are willing to talk about it, or even really know how it happened, but a large part of why they broke up in this au is because raymond became so focused on feeding noah that he started neglecting his duty to feed The End
mary: the desolation (very close calls with the lonely though). was marked after everybody in her life got 'got by The Bastard, still internally grappling with whether or not she should give in, but can't deny that the warmth it gives her is like a good cup of tea. one of her weirder powers is being able to turn into boiling wax. would've been an avatar of the lonely if being alone didn't create such a strong, deeply repressed rage in her for being left behind and ignored by anybody who could help
post-time travel no/ab jurer becomes an amalgamation of several entities MINUS the spiral (since the HDG basically abandons them at this point), and starts losing their connection to the eye, which greatly distresses them as they scramble to hold onto the powers it granted them, thinking that's the only way they'll be able to learn what happened to the missing people in town
i didn’t draw kevin but he’s also part of the desolation, and jerald interfered in a ritual he was trying to do which is why they had their falling out
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blacknovelist · 4 years
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hey. hey @they-hear-the-music. how's it feel to hold enough power to make me write ur tma au over the thousands of words worth of planning-ish stuff I have for mine. I hope you're getting a kick out of it bc I sure as hell am
(not sure if I'll post this on Ao3 but for now have it I guess??? I'm on mobile, so apologies for any formatting issues.)
When Martin finally stumbles from dizzying bowling-alley-carpet walls and nonsensical floors to hard asphalt and blinding sun, he feels about ready to cry.
Not that he does. Oh, he wants to — can feel the tears bundled behind his eyes, the pressure in his chest tight enough to crack ribs, the grip on his throat that makes every steadying breath a long-term project, but he just. Can't. Doesn't. Not yet, at least.
Because Martin has spent days locked in his house, terrorized by flesh-eating worms, oozing and pressing up against his door and window of his flat, certain in the knowledge that no one would come for him. Martin has been little more than a sad little shadow clutching at an old corkscrew, perched on his couch across from the entryway instead of the kitchen because he kept mistaking the tile pattern for the very pests that haunted him. He ran through a door that shouldn't have been and spent hours lost in the prismatic, yellow-doored fractal hallways of a wonderlandic hell because he'd thought it better than the remains of his cupboard and the wet squirm of worms.
Which, frankly, is an opinion he stands by. A nervous glance to the earth confirms a very distinct lack of worms nearby, and the secondary wave of relief nearly staggers him.
He can and will lose it — deserves to break down at least a little bit, really, given all that he's been through. But first, Martin drags his panic and terror back by the teeth, squares his shoulders and starts walking. There's someone he needs to explain his absence to, a statement waiting to begin.
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It takes him over an hour to get there, in the end. He had, thankfully, not lost the emergency money stashed in his socks for sudden-wallet-absences, and though it hadn't been enough to take him to the Institute's doors, it was enough to cut the walk he needed to make down by a lot.
The cab driver had given Martin a look when he stumbled in, all wrinkled clothes and messy hair and the glint of a corkscrew tucked in his belt-loop, but there hadn't been any questions or conversation attempts, so he takes the little win for what it is.
Rosie doesn't so much as glance in his direction when Martin steps through the doors, and he thinks a greeting and apology to her as he bustles past towards the Archives. Much as he'd love to catch up with whatever gossip he's missed, he needs to find Jon. To explain where he'd been, what had happened, maybe warn him and Tim and Sasha about the thing that might've been Jane Prentiss, once upon a time.
And maybe he'll even be believed. Wouldn't that be something?
With every step deeper, he can feel some of the frantic, manic drive slip out of his body. The steadfast familiarity of the blank walls and plain floorboards and old doors soothes something in Martin, even as the back of his neck prickles with the sensation of watched that replaces it.
("I think I know what it is," Tim had said a few weeks ago, nearly lying on his desk as he leans towards Martin and Sasha. "That weird feeling. Honestly, it's pretty obvious when you think about it."
"Oh?" Sasha perked up, propping her chin on her hand. "Do share with the class."
Tim puffs out his chest, affecting a solemn, grandiose tone, and says, "why, Sasha, Martin, we should have seen it sooner! Of course, who else would be keeping such steadfast watch over the institute other than..." He sits back and spreads his arms wide. "...the big man, Jo-Jo Mango himself."
Silence. And then a snicker, followed by a laughing fit so hard and loud Jon himself had stepped out of his office and spent the next five minutes trying to stop his assistants from cackling themselves to death.)
He softens at the memory, at the thick wooden door that stands between him and his prickly-but-well-meaning boss and his coworker-friends. There's tea, old papers, and a tape recorder with his name on it waiting on the other side, and there's no point in delaying.
So Martin turns the handle, takes a deep breath, and feels the record scratch stop of his heart and words when he looks up and sees the three strangers crowded around the scattered desks. They meet his eyes with the same blank confusion he's sure is written all over his face, and they are not Sasha, Tim, or Jon.
"...Hello," says one of them, slowly. Martin tries to figure out who's talking, what they all look like, but it's all he can do just to hear the words spoken over the fizzing static in the back of his mind. Scars and headscarves and sharp, painted nails overlap. "Can we help you?"
Martin opens his mouth, unsure of what to say but wanting, needing to say something, anything. A second door interrupts him then, silent but enough to draw the room's attention away from Martin to the man standing there.
Jon is not okay. Whatever happened in the maybe-week of Martin's worm-based apartment captivity has wreaked hell on the man, from the gnarled wreck of his hand to the slit on his throat and the mess of holes scattered across his arms and face. The bruises under his eyes suggest a lack of sleep that improbably spans decades, not days. None of the weariness can hide the surprise, the disbelief, the relief scrawled across his face, though.
For a moment Martin burns: he burns with decades of a quiet house, he and his mum and her whipcrack-words, the eternal rise from red knees and bowed heads to smile. Through the echoes of jabs and insults and irritation, he wants to turn away from his own strife to ask, to fix, to know. "What happened to you?"
But the Archivist speaks first. "Martin," he breathes, like a fragment of Martin’s own dreams, escaped into musty basement air. "Oh, Martin. Where have you been?"
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Classic Who: Starter Pack/List of Recommended Stories
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So, you love Doctor Who and want to see what the Classic series is all about. But, you know, it ran for 26 years and it’s fucking huge and just way too daunting, and something about missing episodes?? Help?? Never fear. 
The great thing about Doctor Who, especially Classic Who, is that watching it in order really isn’t that important. 
So, as far as I’m concerned, the best way to get into Classic Who is to sample a bit of each Doctor, and see what takes. And so here is my list of recommendations for each Doctor for those of you wanting to give this beautiful low budget sci-fi meme-factory masterpiece a try. 
Note 1: Classic Who is formatted differently to New Who. It’s made up of ‘serials’, which are storylines of anything from 2-10 episodes, 25 minutes each. Most are 4, but 2 and 6 parters are also common in some eras. So I’m recommending the serials, as opposed to episodes, obviously. 
Note 2: I want to express that this is my personal rec list, and what I think people will enjoy/enjoyed myself. I’m not claiming that these are definitely the best storylines or the ones people will enjoy most because Doctor Who is an incredibly subjective show, and deciding on ‘best’ storylines is so difficult. So, this list is fallible, probably, but I hope you like it anyway. 
These are listed, in chronological order, with serial title, then companions, and then any additional notes I have about the story. 
(Italicised serial title is my top rec for that era if you’re just looking for one of each, with the exception of The Unearthly Child because it’s the first one so just watch it, okay?)
First Doctor
An Unearthly Child (not the unaired pilot version, the proper first episode!! If Susan is drawing weird shit on paper you’re watching the wrong one) - Ian, Barbara and Susan - just episode 1 and first half of ep 2, once they leave the TARDIS you’re good to stop unless you want to keep going which is totally fair but it’s just a lot of cavemen grunting about fire really, though there is an interesting moment where the Doctor wants to kill a dude with a rock
The Aztecs - Ian, Barbara, and Susan - okay basically if you want the serious historical storyline go with this one, otherwise see The Romans
The Dalek Invasion of Earth - Ian, Barbara and Susan 
The Romans - Ian, Barbara, and Vicki (newly joined) - if you want the funny, very silly historical storyline, go with this one, otherwise, go Aztecs
Second Doctor
The Mind Robber - Zoe and Jamie
The War Games  - Zoe and Jamie (as a warning, it’s fucking 10 episodes long but really good if a little stretched out) - first naming of and appearance of Time Lords as a people, Two’s regeneration episode 
Third Doctor
Three’s era has way too many great serials so I’m just gonna let you pick from what you think sounds good. All of these feature the Brigadier to some capacity, too. 
Spearhead in Space - Liz (first appearance) - important for getting an idea of what the UNIT situation is, first Auton appearance, first episode following the regeneration
Inferno - Liz - it’s basically an “all the Doctors friends are evil!AU verse” story
Terror of the Autons - Jo (first appearance), first appearance of the Master
The Sea Devils - iconic Best Enemies serial (the sword fight!), has the Silurian’s “cousins” the Sea Devils, plus the actual Navy and lots of boats
The Three Doctors - Jo - MULTI DOCTOR, First and Second Doctor, first appearance of Omega
The Time Warrior - Sarah Jane (first appearance) - first Sontaran appearance, first naming of Gallifrey! 
Fourth Doctor
Genesis of the Daleks - Sarah Jane and Harry - first Davros appearance/Dalek origin stuff! TMA/TWF in Series 9 of New Who is basically a sequel to this story
Invasion of Time - Leela - set on Gallifrey with Time Lords and Sontarans
City of Death - Romana II (Time Lady companion!!) - centred around the Mona Lisa kinda 
Fifth Doctor
The Five Doctors - Tegan and Turlough - plus old companions, MULTI DOCTOR, first five doctors except Four
Caves of Androzani - Peri (newly joined) - very acclaimed story, Five’s regeneration episode, think Phantom of the Opera meets alien mining shit  
Sixth Doctor
I’ve not seen enough of his first season so this is my main rec, along with the whole Trial of a Time Lord season if you’re looking for more Six. 
Mark of the Rani - Peri - first appearance of the Rani (another renegade Time Lord, amoral scientist who was at school with the Doc and the Master, hates them both lmao), plus the Master, it’s a big messy school reunion set during the Industrial Revolution
Seventh Doctor
Remembrance of the Daleks - Ace - set at Coal Hill, Ace beats a Dalek up with a baseball bat, literally creating the “defining moment of awesome” trope because she’s that iconic
The Happiness Patrol - Ace - dystopia where unhappiness is illegal, the TARDIS gets painted pink
Eighth Doctor 
The 1996 movie - Grace - take the ‘half human’ thing with a grain of salt because Eight is a little shit and the Master was dealing with shifty information
And there we are!
If anyone gets through this list and wants to ask for additional recs, feel free to come into my inbox, I’m always up for helping others get into the joy that is Classic Who. 
Otherwise, sit back, strap in, and prepare to laugh at some questionable guest acting, stuffy Time Lords in stupid clothes, and of course the old/cheap special effects. And of course, enjoy, because the storylines are still solid as HELL and so are the main characters. 
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