#tom lahue

[wackus-bonkus-maximus]

Same anon who just asked about why you placed Adrien as a 7 instead of a 2, only to look deeper in the reblogs of your ML enneagram post and see you already answered it haha!

In friendly defense of 2!Adrien, I’d argue that his reactions to being stressed coming off as more of a 7 rather than a 2 is actually a perfect reflection of the effects of his abuse; it’s fear that drives his non-confrontation tendencies rather his own nature. I think Risk highlighted that a bit in revealing how Adrien does desire confrontation, even if he doesn’t act on it.

(I have always found it interesting to consider the role that trauma/neurodivergency plays in shaping a character’s personality, since it’s one of the flaws I feel most personality assessments can’t really account for.)

I also think Chat’s arguments with LB were more like to be confrontational than avoidant (thinking of the times he’s called her out and his romantic pursuit being the primary indicators), up until she became the Guardian. So then with S4, I’d consider it to be a gradual relationship shift that leads to Chat no longer feeling safe and secure enough in his position to confront her the way he once did, which is why he only tries a bit in Kuro Neko before running, and then doesn’t try at all in Strikeback.

I hope this doesn’t come off as too preachy or anything, just wanted to share my 2¢! Cause either way you slice it, your Adrien has always been brilliantly written and incredibly in-character to me, so you’ve clearly got a rock solid understanding of his character. ❤️

hello november anon and sorry for the delay! thank you so much for the ask and also for going back and looking through my prev posts. you know my teacher heart loves it when you do the readings! 😌 also you're definitely not the only one who believes adrien is a 2 rather than a 7! and while i know there are good arguments for both sides, i'll explain in depth my position on adrien's personality.

part 1 of the ask:

so here are the reasons i think adrien IS an enneagram type 7

adrien's motivation seems like that of a 7 to me: he wants to experience everything and be satisfied in every way he can. if he had a disney princess "i want" song, it would be "i want to go to school, i want to make friends, i want adventure in the great wide somewhere., i want to have fun."

the literal first shot of him in the show (if we use origins as a starting point) is adrien running away. nathalie asks him to please reconsider, he knows what his father wants, and adrien says, "but this is what i want to do." according to the enneagram institute, "sevens do not see themselves as the center of a community or family, but as members of a free-floating band of fellow adventurers whose own enjoyment is enhanced by being with others." going to school and having a new experience with new people is what's going to enhance adrien's enjoyment of life - not being the center of his family unit or the apple of his father's eye.

a 2's motivation would be to be as loved as possible and to make themselves neeed by those they most care about. while adrien definitely shows a desire to be loved and needed, especially by ladybug, i think his primary desire is for experience, and it's this from which all his actions- not just characteristics - are based. take for example his reaction to getting his miraculous vs marinette's (also in origins):

adrien is excited and intrigued and ready to go, as a 7 would be when offered a new experience - and a new way to satisfy their desire to try everything. marinette, as a 1, is quite the opposite: she is being put in a situation where she must do something right or fail, and therefore is stressed tf out. while marinette's motivation to be good/perfect fuels her anxious reaction, adrien's motivation to experience everything and be satisfied fuels his thrilled and slightly reckless reaction. that's why he charges out into battle without listening to all the instructions; his motivation was to escape the restraints of his life and try something new.

in growth, enneagram 7's take on the positive traits of 5's. in stress, they take on the negative traits of 1's. i have seen adrien exhibit these behaviors throughout the show on many occasions!

according to the enneagram institute, "Sevens have fear about their inner world. There are feelings of pain, loss, deprivation, and general anxiety that Sevens would like to stay clear of as much as possible. To cope with these feelings, Sevens keep their minds occupied with exciting possibilities and options— as long as they have something stimulating to anticipate, Sevens feel that they can distract themselves from their fears." therefore, while one can argue that adrien's wealth of knowledge and fun facts is a result of everything gabriel has forced him to learn (mandarin, piano, fencing, medieval horse colors), we can assume he at least was interested in it - and that seeking new knowledge like a 5 kept him from lingering in his sadness.

"i'll help you learn mandarin marinette" "i'll show you how to fence marinette" "most people think henry iv's white horse was white my lady" "do you need subtitles my lady i speak several languages"

now as to how adrien moves to the low parts of type 1 during the show: i think the main examples of this are the instances he adopts rigid, critical, and judgemental characteristics, which is potentially unpleasant for anyone who has to be around him.

first up, adrien's akumatized forms: chat blanc, ephemeral, celesticat

i bring up the akumas because, though adrien isn't in his right mind (by hawkmoth's akumas), they are examples of adrien being in extreme stress.

as chat blanc, adrien wants to either right the world or destroy it for being wrong - the critical supreme judgement an unhealthy 1 is capable of. he lashes out when contradicted, and is quite ruthless even to marinette, who he loves, in the name of executing judgement.

as ephemeral, adrien seeks to control time. (however, this is probably the weakest example because adrien was being amok-controlled in this instance and was acting on shadow moth's will, not his own.)

i include celesticat because while this is an example of a "good" akumatization, adrien was still under so much stress that an akumatization was able to take place. yet even while being in "good" stress, adrien still shows characteristics of 1: perfectionism, righteousness, taking control of the situation. he literally turns into a pure white angelic being, an embodiment of perfection. it's what he believes he has to do in order to salvage the situation. it's one of the more healthier moves from 7 to 1 i have seen depicted in media and is entirely plausible concept under the enneagram's theory! this just goes to show the depth and richness of his character.

next, we will discuss adrien's various alter egos:

cat walker

i've said it before and i'll say it again; cat walker is another move from 7 -> 1.

as chat noir, adrien is at the height of his 7-ness. he enjoys the freedom that his miraculous powers and secret identity gives him, and uses it as a means of escape from the regular constraints of his life and obligations. then in kuro neko when ladybug slights him, she denies him the fulfilment and satisfaction in reaching his full potential as chat noir (e.g., being of equal importance on the team as her) that he should be allowed. of course he becomes hurt and angry! she's stepping on his core desire in life.

according to enneagram coach dr. tom lahue (my favorite enneagram guy ((also a 7)), "type 7's typically deal with anger by trying to avoid it or deflect it. that really is the anger type of a 7 - deflective. deflecting things away." that's what i believe cat walker is: a stress reaction, a deflection of his anger with ladybug. he deflects his painful emotions into something he thinks is positive; a new start.

adrien is usually so joyful and optimistic, but this was a huge blow for him. dr. tom says the best way for a 7 to handle this anger is to be "real and genuine" when coming to terms with it, what does adrien do instead? he turns to a new alter ego. he chases the experience of fulfillment, only he does so by adopting a persona who is serious and perfectionist. obviously this was neither what adrien or ladybug needed, and that is because cat walker is a stress reaction who adrien cannot sustain without continued levels of unhealthy self-denial. this is the hardest he has gone to 1 in the show and what it took to snap him out of it was a level of reflection, analysis, and objectivity (that this was an unhealthy behavior) indicative of a type 5 - and which shows his progression to growth.

2. aspik

one can argue that aspik is more proof of adrien being a 2 than a 7 actually, as his motivations for becoming aspik were to woo ladybug. however, the stress response of a type 2 is to move to the negative qualities of type 8, which is to lash out at those who they believe have taken them for granted.

according to the enneagram institute,

"Average to unhealthy Twos seek validation of their worth by obeying their superego’s demands to sacrifice themselves for others. They believe they must always put others first and be loving and unselfish if they want to get love. The problem is that “putting others first” makes Twos secretly angry and resentful, feelings they work hard to repress or deny. Nevertheless, they eventually erupt in various ways, disrupting Twos’ relationships and revealing the inauthenticity of many of the average to unhealthy Two’s claims about themselves and the depth of their “love.”

as aspik, adrien was never resentful of ladybug for taking him for granted or making him feel rejected. as aspik, his goal was never to make himself needed by her. as aspik, he maintained some extreme levels of optimism that ignored the rational conclusion that he should give up for several thousand time loops. as aspik, he was able to let go and displace his hopes in himself to someone else - and run off to his responsibility as chat noir with high spirits (though i'm sure the ladrien kiss helped)

3. griffe noire

this has got to be the most stressful stress reaction i've seen on adrien. and you might say "but wackus he looks nothing like a type 1" and i say "JUST HOLD ON

going back to dr. tom's analysis on type 7's in anger, he says, "7's typically express their anger indirectly, e.g., through sarcasm, like 5's - like 6's sometimes... but they quickly try to move on and reframe into a more positive way." griffe noire, rather than telling jokes and puns to lighten the mood, mocks and ridicules poor toxinelle who has not convinced me she doesn't have a crush on him. 1's actually do the same thing when they are unhealthy; they criticize and blame and nag others for not being up to par, and by directing his anger at his situation onto toxinelle, griffe noire is doing the same.

dr tom goes on to say, "in some cases [7's] might take impulsive actions to try to free themselves from this feeling of being trapped... engaging in frenetic escapism in behaviors or addictions or substances to try to distance themselves from those who are frustrated with them... or their own anger/pain in life." we have seen griffe noire engage in multiple frenetic behaviors while running amok (haha), all of which are clearly attempts to redirect his pain and anger/ keep it from consuming him. for example, griffe noire takes chat noir's cataclysm to the chest as though it's a game. for another, he openly threatens to destroy the entire world with his super cataclysm. and of course, he is constantly abusing his miraculous by over-exerting his powers in a way only adults should. yet all of these destructive behaviors are still adrien's way of escaping his normal life, and his everyday pain. it's almost like his self-destruction is his addiction.

and yet by the end, it took the introspection of type 5 for griffe noire to realize that his behavior was unhealthy. he observed, he listened, he showed an inquisitiveness that brought him back from the brink. and he also upgraded his outfit so if that isn't a type 7 path to growth i don't know what is!

now i know i won't have convinced everybody, so i just want to drop this section from the enneagram institute's text on misidentifying 2's and 7's:

Although both types are gregarious and enjoy being with people, their interpersonal styles are noticeably different. The Two... would like to be the heart and soul of a family or community, the best friend or confidant everyone comes to for attention, advice, and approval. Twos want to be significant to others and on intimate terms with them, although sometimes they go too far, meddling too much and being too solicitous to make sure they are needed.

adrien is not focused on being needed by anybody, not even ladybug (although due to his romantic interest in her, i can understand why people think so). being the heart and soul of the team is not what motivates him; primarily, i think he just likes having all the experiences he wouldn't otherwise get to have without being chat noir.

By contrast... Sevens do not see themselves as the center of a community or family, but as members of a free-floating band of fellow adventurers whose own enjoyment is enhanced by being with others.... Sevens may thus exhibit a certain generosity, although their motives may well have less to do with helping needier friends than with making sure that they themselves have a good time by having others around.

this isn't to say that adrien is just focused on having a "good time." i see that his enjoyment is amplified when he is surrounded by people he loves and cares for. he is motivated to have good experiences, and be fulfilled by trying everything, and becoming close to people and forming loving relationships is just a happy byproduct of that.

now there ARE several caveats to my analysis which provide potential arguments against typing adrien as a 7 - and which i can touch on briefly before i close:

adrien's abuse: i understand that trauma and anxiety can affect personality deeply. i'm not qualified to speak on this, or on how it should or shouldn't affect any personality type. i can only say that i think adrien has acted pretty consistently under stress as far as the show depicts

inconsistent characterization: i think we can all agree that ml won't be winning any awards for its consistency in characterization. which i know sounds contradictory to what i just said about how it depicts adrien under stress, but i think there IS a lot of discrepancy in this show and over the course of 9 years with different teams of writers all trying to execute one person's vision, inconsistencies are bound to happen.

thank you again for the ask, anon, and thank YOU if you have read all the way through! tell me your thoughts, if you make it down here - whether you agree/disagree or are just nodding along and letting me indulge in my enneagram brainrot! this is an entirely in-good-faith interpretation of mine, and i'd love to see other opinions if you have them!

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[melestiasworld]

enneagram > MBTI ?? (am I really saying that !?)

I was researching my enneagram type lately and I have a lot to unwrap

Amidst my attempt to organize the endless tabs on my phone, I stumbled upon an old Enneagram test result. It was surprisingly spot-on, articulating behaviors I've long recognized but struggled to articulate.

I'm a 9w1, and I've been watching Dr. Tom LaHue's videos about my type.

He was saying that 9s can, if not careful, mistake the taste, goal of other's for their own- something I know I tended to do a lot when I was younger Back then, I craved uniqueness so intensely I wanted to dress up differently, listen to different music -being like everyone else was disgusting to me. Looking back, I might have resembled a type 4 during that phase

but I'm glad I had this phase, it helped me cultivate my confidence and identity

I've also noticed a pattern where I struggle to voice my opinions naturally. It's something I've had to learn the hard way.

it takes effort for me to really put myself in thinking mode to connect with my true self and figure out what I truly desire Yet, when a topic strikes a chord, I don't hesitate to speak up. Tom was also saying how my default response to a question or a request is always “yes” when it should actually be “no”, so that I accept only what I truly desire

“you can find your real “yes” only by saying “no””

I mean, I already knew that of me, and what really helps me is seeing other people being assertive in their opinions

I love people-watching and seeing people stand their ground inspires me

I've recognized that I sometimes fear expressing my voice because I don't want to burden others. I'm capable of understanding multiple perspectives, making every option seem acceptable—but what do I truly want?

Combining assertiveness with kindness has been a struggle. I've been aware of this aspect of myself for some time, and I'm committed to improving.

We all have patterns that emerge when we're not in a healthy place. and the enneagram helps you see more clearly on this. In the vid, mr tom was going through the levels of health of 9s going from the worst to the best, I've stopped to the first because it resonated too much with me : My brain will do anything to keep me away from feeling any type of negative emotion, this actually has been really detrimental at one point in my life

I will get lost in my priorities and the things I need to get done so I’m doing fucking useless tasks like cleaning my shoes, cutting my bangs, or sorting the tabs on my phone when I have more pressing matters

I became aware of this problem a while ago when speaking to a therapist, did I buy a book to help me regulate my emotions? yes

did I read it? no

when will i read it ? who knows

dr. really putted the finger where it hurts, i think i really got to work on that

that was also said in some of the videos, 9w1’s are scared to be a burden or to be a burden because our biggest inner fear is being rejected by the ones we love

deep down I know that it is very true -nothing can keep people from leaving me

but what’s interesting would be to discover why do I harbor this fear of abandonment? Why do I crave safety so desperately? nobody really abandoned me, nor left me, I never had problems making friends, so where does it come from? I’m going to look into that during the several hours of reflections I have during my nightly reflections

I thought I had myself all figured out, that I’ve spent too much time pondering my identity, my values, and desires Yet life just keeps impressing me and putting me in situations where I have to work on myself again and evolve

its like rediscovering myself, or building a new version of me

I do not want to die knowing I haven’t achieved the final version of me; I want to reach my full potential

but I'm so thrown between the melissa who strives for greatness and has all of those crazy goals and the melissa who wants to rot in bed and do absolutely nothing - a topic for another rant

#thoughts

[sonictalismans]

Tom LaHue is nuts. He knows what causes Enneagram fixations and yet he openly admits to having a kid who's a soc 4 and another who's a soc 8 as if that wouldn't immediately tip anyone who knew their stuff off to the fact that his parenting skills are probably abysmal?

#enneagram

[personalitiesinwriting]

EASIEST OC PERSONALITY TRACKING TRICK I'VE EVER FOUND!

What are some questions we often ask about our OCs? I mean the real hard ones, like their motivations, fears, and desires. These are all things that we want our character to stick to for the sake of realistic and relatable character development.

So what is an easy and consistent way to make our characters as realistic as possible? Personality types!! I'm not talking the MBTI though, I'm talking the enneagram.

Why the enneagram? Well lets start with what it is. The enneagram is a personality type system that explains things like: Core motivations and desires; life struggles; biggest fears; and helps us writers create consistent, relatable, and fun characters. All of this without the struggles of worrying about making sure our OC's actions and thoughts are in line with their personality and the path we've chosen for them.

This also makes keeping shared NPCs in character as there is less change in their behaviors, motivations, and patterns.

My top resources for the enneagram are down below feel free to check them out!

Note: This list is a work in progress I will update with more at a later date.

Dr. Tom LaHue on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCF9l1wgRpnUOB_6tMvKrww

Descriptions of the types from The Enneagram Institute and almost everything you need to know, more than you will probably need to tbh:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions

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[still-single]

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Imagination - Just an Illusion (Dub)

Tom Churchill - Loss Leader

Quintron - Firestorm

Gabor Szabo - Love is Blue

Sparrow - Roller Coaster

Adnan Othman & the Wanderers - Revolusi

Daniel Schmidt - Abies Magnifica

Xetas - The Hierophant

Rank/Xerox - Cradle of Life

Alien Nosejob - Bond Clean

Quayde Lahüe - Widowmaker

Chain Cult - Shallow Grave

Eddy Current Suppression Ring - Our Quiet Whisper

Steve Hauschildt - A Planet Left Behind

Davie Allan & the Arrows - Cycle-Delic

Clark-Hutchinson - Free to Be Stoned

Italia 90 - Against the Wall

Big Youth - Skyjuice

Blueboy - Amoroso

DJ Python - Sbloq

Zonal - Black Hole Orbit

The Robbs - Jolly Miller

The Flying Machine - Smile a Little Smile for Me

The Gun Club - Nobody's City

Gene Clark - Some Misunderstanding

Mickey Newbury - How Many Times (Must the Piper Be Paid for His Song)

Bill MacKay & Katinka Kleijn - The Hermetic Circle

Internet Meteor - Test Drive

Aquarelle - This Is No Monument

Ragnar Grippe - Symphonic Songs I

Saariselka - Neochrome

Two Daughters - Gloria I

Owen Maercks - Burnin'

Calliope - Jimmy Bell

Kizza Ping - Den Nya

[personalitiesinwriting]

What I wish I knew/did before going into personality typing:

Wrote about who I think I am. Like full on list of what I care about, what drives me etc because let's face it getting biased is really f*cking easy.

This I actually did but ended up being super helpful: KEEP A MF SCREENSHOT AND OR WRITE DOWN YOUR FIRST 16PERSONALITIES TEST RESULT!!! Does it give you the right type? Absolutely f*cking not but it sure as hell does give you an awesome snapshot of who you think you are. It also is helpful if you ever want to look into Brown's typing theories to crosscheck that you're right about which type you are/get insight in any other way on it. I got INTP on mine and ended up being a ESFJ (which has the same functions as INTP but flipped) with overdeveloped ne lol.

I wish I'd gotten a few more outside opinions cause it does help to get some other opinions.

Don't necessarily trust outside opinions completely. While they do help they might not always be completely accurate; remember people have their own views and you might act different around different people therefore giving you some REALLY mixed messages.

Assume you are a sensor (MBTI) unless you have a looot to say that you aren't. Like seriously it's ok, you are just as awesome unique and valid even if you are the most common type it has nothing to do with who you are, your worth, or what you bring to this planet. A great blog that helped me feel better about being a sensor and even to the point I feel pride in it is @everythingsensor

BE PICKY WITH YOUR SOURCES!!! Especially at first before you poison your mind with those stereotypes. Frank James is awesome and fun but let's face it if you want to know your type you'll want someone more serious. Great ones are:

C.S. Joseph (MBTI): He explains things very clearly but I'd focus on his function videos not type videos because he's a bit on the biased side especially with some sensor types. He also reeks of mental illness (trust me I'd know what that looks like) despite that he's still brilliant in his own right and definitely check out his typing grid and typing grid videos.

Objective Personality (MBTI): Not gonna lie this is probably my favorite for the MBTI, having two people running it also nice because you get more perspectives. They also are awesome with examples and really showing how it all works a bit more in depth. Their car system to show how the MBTI function stacks work is also EXTREMELY helpful.

Dr. Tom LaHue (Enneagram): Seriously this guy could single handedly teach you everything you'd ever need to know about the enneagram. All you need to know about the enneagram you can learn from him and the enneagram diagrams I have pinned at the top of this blog.

After these guys there are some awesome ones here on Tumblr you should really check out:

@funkymbtifiction these guys have the BEST examples ever and it's so fun to read!

@mbti-notes Honestly it's just the best. Read the type description of whatever type you think you are and you'll get a much better idea on if you are it or not.

Thank you so much for reading, I wish you all the best with your awesome self discovery journey!!!

#mbti #16 personalities #enneagram #personality typing #enneagram in writing #enneagram typing #mbti thoughts #mbti fun #mbti types #mbti typing #what i wish i knew before i learned personality types #objective Personality #mbti personality types #infp #infj #intj #intp #personalities in writing #personalities #personality #personality types #Personalitiesinwriting

[personalitiesinwriting]

Mistyping as a 9: thoughts and examples.

As someone who once mistyped as a 9 I've noticed a few things that might indicate you aren't one and some other misunderstandings I see/saw myself and others make.

I would like to mention that being are a 9 is actually a fairly high probability (I've heard up to 40% of the population) it is one of the most common types so statistically you are probably not wrong.

"I don't want to help I want to sleep": When Dr. Tom LaHue's daughter, who is an enneagram 9, said this in one of his enneagram videos I felt so understood it was like the gates to freaking heaven opened in front of me. This is in line with what 9s feel but it doesn't necessarily rule out other types, for example I can see counter 2s (SelfPres) like myself doing this a lot too.

Laziness ≠ enneagram 9. All types can be lazy, admittedly some are more predesposed to it, but overall being unmotivated/lazy doesn't mean you are a 9. As far as laziness with the enneagram a big part of it is why are you being lazy.

Feeling like you are "all the types". This is 100% true for 9s but it can be easy to feel like you are everything when you don't have a lot of self awareness so be careful with this one.

"Merging". 9s merge a TON. Especially the sx ones. However, other types can have their own twists on this though nowhere near to the same extent. A good question to ask yourself is, "am I merging with people completely to the point of having almost nothing that makes me, me?". Other types that feel this sort of thing don't lose nearly all of themselves to the same degree: 2s will still help and care for people obsessively, 6s will still be cautious/worried, 1s will still be perfectionistic, etc. Also if you do this but more on purposefull/survival basis good ones to look into would be 3 and 6.

9s are stubborn. Like to a degree that no type can rival, if a 9 really doesn't want to do something they won't.

#enneagram #personality typing #enneagram 9 #enneagram typing #enneagram mistypes #personalities in writing #personalities #personality #personality types #Personalitiesinwriting