#wwdits negative

[jack-fruit]

Alright look. As mad as I am about the constant shipbaiting and the way Nandermo as a whole is treated by the cast and writers/directors, I am willing to look past it. I will be okay with Nandermo as a super special bromance with no sex or kissing or whatever. IF

AND ONLY IF.

They actually have the goddamn BALLS to commit to it. Because Nandor's entire arc revolves around being unhappy and lonely as a vampire. He wants companionship, he wants to be loved, he wants someone he can spend his eternal life with. We can already tell Guillermo fills that role, but I want NANDOR to realize that. I want him to fucking. Tell Guillermo. That he is his person. And it can be as platonic and chaste as the showrunners goddamn please as long as it happens. Because anything less would mean none of the character development Nandor underwent in the past 5 seasons would matter.

I'm already not happy with the direction they're going with making Guillermo human, but I can understand it. Guillermo thought being a vampire would solve all his life problems and make him happy, just like Nandor thought traveling would, thought getting married would, thought ANYTHING he's done would make him truly happy. They are two sides of the same fucked up coin, and their arcs are so inherently tied together that they HAVE to stick together. Because anything less would fall flat.

#wwdits #wwdits tv #what we do in the shadows #nandermo #nandor the relentless #guillermo de la cruz #wwdits negative #just in case #im just steaming ab this as a writer #bc to me character arcs and themes are SOSO important #and the writers of this show are obviously more focused on comedy which makes sense #but the reason wwdits resonates as well as it does is bc it can be heartfelt as well as funny #so if they end up giving nandor a new beau or having guillermo leave or whatever #im going to be mad! because we care about these characters #we want them to be happy depsite how fucked up they are #and they clearly need each other to be happy

[anxietycheesecake]

Like, damn, it's not like I put a gun against Paul Simms and Stephanie Robinson's heads and forced them to let season 3 be... like that. They did it all by themselves. I wasn't even thinking about nandermo in terms of an actual thing that was happening, just some fun little ship to read fanfic about, then suddenly it was like HERE COMES CLOAK OF DUPLICATION WITH THE STEEL CHAIR

why would they do this

#wwdits #nandermo #nandor the relentless #guillermo de la cruz #negativity

[bottombaron]

idk what's worse coming into a fandom that's already 4 seasons long: the fact that everyone is already bitter and jaded and that pessimism and negativity has seeped into the environment

or that your top/bottom headcanons have become passé

#wwdits #nandermo #(hint: it's the second one) #like fuck yalls negativity just leave me and my service top!nandor headcanons alone 😔 #loOK #is nandor a bottom? yES but Guillermo likes dick more than him ok #and honestly he deserves it let the boy get smashed under a dick big enough to crush a mouse #SEE I SOLVED IT #I have decided that Guillermo and I are the same and my god do we need big man hairy chest long haired vampire DICK it makes us look stupid #hi hello im new here just recently finished binging the show for the first time and I have THOUGHTS and OPINIONS

[faelapis]

not to take the shit & farts show too seriously, but guillermo being turned is a matter of bodily autonomy. and the idea that nandor refused to do it for 13 years because he knew whats "really" best for guillermo is vomit-inducing. as a trans person i've dealt with far too many people like that. its a bad idea and a bad headcanon.

#i do not just hate it because i'm trans i hate it because its a bad idea overall. its just a vivid example. #you can apply it to any matter of bodily autonomy issues #and it is absolutely not a form of love. its a form of control. #also its just NOT true at all lol like hello that retcons every joke the show has ever made about everyone ignoring guillermo #not su / #wwdits #wwdits spoilers #wwdits discourse / i guess idk what tag people use for negativity here sorry #let me know if theres a specific tag i should be using for people to avoid #i'm not trying to stink up the party here i just wanna share my own negative thoughts in a hopefully reasonable way

[soppingwetguywife]

you know what boggles my mind about these takes on guillermo and his great big betrayal this season? it's the fact that some people have managed to so thoroughly divorce this arc from what happened last season as if the two don't correlate. as if the fact that nandor betrayed guillermo first and in one of the worst ways he could think of has nothing to do with where they are now

okay so there are Four of these and they're all SO correct so im gonna put all of them and my thoughts under the cut (yeah i know nobody comes to my blog for Hot WWDITS Takes (or.... for anything) but this whole situation has me pressed okay) thank you so much anon i NEED to talk about this

"and i don't mean that in the way that some have meant it in a guillermo is doing this for revenge type of way but just that freddie was his last straw but instead of leaving like he would have before he decided to stay on his own terms. he decided that for once fuck what nandor wants, he'll do what he wants instead. guillermo literally started of season 4 saying he was looking out for number one and then he didn't for MONTHS but sure he's a monster for following up on his promise to himself" "and freddie isn't just some isolated incident that doesn't have any context. take this from guillermo's pov, he spent weeks (maybe months? unclear on timeline here) preparing a wedding, being asked to do impossible shit but somehow coming through and his reward was that one moment of nandor admitting he cares for him by calling him his best man (we know he meant best friend so did memo i'm sure) and then nandor had to take that away." "'cause just so we're clear best friends don't fuck your boyfriend. there might have been some extra steps there but ultimately that is what nandor did and he didn't think to stop for a second why he was doing it, if it would hurt guillermo, just nothing. so guillermo i think was back to square one, nothing has changed nandor can be kind for one second and do something so blindingly selfish and cruel the next and this fandom really expected him to lie down and take it"

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!! YOU GET IT ANON!

so, i must start with this. every season, almost always, continues in a sort of vacuum. not so much that there's no continuity, because there usually is! so let's just follow guillermo, because there's a point i want to make here.

S1- guillermo learns he is a slayer. S2- guillermo reveals he has spent the past summer killing vampires to keep the house safe, which leads into the finale; guillermo goes and rescues the vampires from the theatre in a Beautiful display of murder. S3- guillermo is trapped in a cage, because of that Beautiful display of murder, which leads into the finale; guillermo agrees to go away with nandor on a world trip and eventual turning (this goes wrong, which leads to) S4- guillermo finally returns from being stuck in england, a year AFTER the end of s3, which leads into the finale; guillermo goes to derek to be turned.

NOW. let's assess where the VAMPIRES start and finish throughout the seasons.

and the answer to that is; exactly where they fucking started. because s4 was right. nothing changes. colin robinson dies and is reborn and grows and in the end, he's exactly where he started. nadja grows and learns and tries to forge an identity for herself, and then she fails, and she's exactly where she started. laszlo... okay, laszlo's just along for the ride. and he LIKES where he started. nandor started as a neurotic, cool-hearted washed-up-warlord who tries to be strong, passionate, the leader that everyone looks up to. he doesn't seem to notice nobody looks up to him except guillermo, because duh, why would he notice guillermo? and every season, we're right back to where we started. we see them grow closer, and then we see them ripped apart! and every new season, we're back to joking at his expense. the only notable difference this season is that nandor sort of HAS grown more tolerant of him, a building through-line that we have only seen through guillermo, the only character that changes enough for a bond to be formed rather than assumed (ie; the foot locker, the self-help book, the being insanely jealous that laszlo is spending his time with him) (as opposed to his friendship with the vampires, one that has always been sort of assumed except for with colin robinson, something that s5e6 pretty thoroughly shattered)

this season, we are seeing the inevitability of five seasons and nearly fourteen years of guillermo assuring himself that he would get what he wanted, that he hadn't given up his family and his job and his emotions and the parts of his brain that are... well, human, for nothing. he has been promised and promised and promised that this is the time, this is when the time is right, just TRUST in the inevitability of change in a house full of people that never change and never want to. he has been growing and changing every season, growing stronger, more confident, more capable, unlike the vampires.

but because guillermo is the butt of the joke, because he HAS to be, right? because he has to always be the one that suffers (learning his bloodline kills the very thing he loves, being LOCKED UP for PROTECTING the very thing he loves, being locked in a COFFIN just when he was going to get it, and FINALLY being turned only to be turned wrong and in the most horrible, ugly way???? (well, for him, for me it was a visual treat, love me a man covered in blood)) it turns out that there's this cute little rule! one that we've never seen before (though there is some hinting toward this, i suppose, in the case of celeste, right? she never poached, only took unattached familiars. did she know? we'll never find out, i don't think!) and now the thing he loves (person he loves the most) will be his end, because of course it is, right? and of course he definitely deserves it, right? because he's the butt of the joke, the silly little human who dared to make his OWN life better rather than waiting for a day that was so clearly never gonna come unless he held them at stakepoint or he did.... exactly what he did.

nandor is the deciding factor. and from what we've seen of him for the past five seasons, he's gonna bluster and threaten and probably challenge him to a fight to the death or something stupid like that, but it's not like he has any real bite anymore anyway? but he's NEVER gonna let this go, i don't think, which is INSANE considering how much guillermo has been letting slide for YEARS in terms of his behavior.

if nandor wanted to do it himself, he should have considered 'why the hell would guillermo EVER be late to the one thing he's been telling me for years that he always wanted?'

instead we see in s4e1 that he BLAMES guillermo for leaving him, and refuses to hear anything to the contrary. and again in s5e5, he blames guillermo for not being there for them, and refuses to hear anything to the contrary. to him, the human will always be at fault, and he will always be their better, and it is going to take guillermo not BEING a human anymore to shake that out of him.

from there, it's all up to him, really! (we have to also account for the classic wwdits 'yeah they're all just idiots, they'll be totally fine with it and they'll be back to being besties by s6e2' because i have little faith in any sort of emotional continuity after every season's constant stunting of everyone's Almost-Emotional-Growth)

i genuinely do not know if this made any sense. but i wanted to talk about how the way we've watched guillermo grow and take responsibility for himself makes it so clear that he SHOULDN'T just sit down and take it, even though he seems very much like he's more than willing to. i'm not gonna touch the whole virginity and slut-shaming metaphors, because i do NOT feel qualified to discuss them, and better people have done it (though i do think a lot of them are biased toward nandor rather than guillermo) but i just think that in the lines of continuity, this was EXPECTED, and it being treated like a season-long punchline isn't particularly fair to guillermo! which is the point of the show, and the counter-point of this rant!

guillermo deserves better, he got it, and now they just have to let him HAVE it.

#wwdits meta #wwdits s5 spoilers #guillermo de la cruz #long post #wwdits rant #idk its sort of a rant #it's not NEGATIVE though i guess i can see the ways in which it might be taken that way #its more critical i guess #i'm not gonna tag it as a ship thing because it's really more a meditation on guillermo's place in the plot #thank you for the ask anon your words inspired utter insanity in my brain #anyway it's almost midnight! time to go to bed for me #if people wanna be mad abt this post pls keep it to urself or i guess send me an ask ill check it in the morning

[spooksier]

in light of recent events

#edit zone #wwdits #good omens #omfd #tma #i dont like being negative on here so i havent said anything abt the latest el but girl. what was that. #i have faith for them to get it together for the finale but come the fuck on #so anyways i excommunicated them #i never really liked nandermo tbh but i was fine if it happened but now im a hater #peace and love

[boylikeanangel]

I'm gonna say it now and I promise I am saying this from a place of love for both the show and the fans of it, some of y'alls attitude of "wwdits can't be queerbaiting us with nandermo because they're both canonically queer!" is literally not constructive at all and is only gonna end up getting you hurt later on down the line if it doesn't go canon. there is a big difference between saying these characters are queer and actually putting them in a queer relationship. you can admit they're baiting nandermo, it's okay. it's important actually. hold the writers and showrunner accountable for this kind of behaviour. saying "all the vampires are pan" is not the same as actually committing to making the characters explicitly queer on screen and making the popular gay ship canon. do not let them get away with thinking it's the same. please I'm begging you, wwdits is not the exception. it can still and IS still baiting us. acting like they're incapable of doing us harm with shit like that because nandor said he likes men once only gives them a pass for doing the absolute bare minimum or even straight up doing homophobic writing (like constantly playing guillermo's feelings for nandor for laughs and never resolving that in a way that does him justice - yknow, like dragging it on for two seasons and then having nandor marry a previously unestablished woman instead....) and you know it

#i thought we agreed to not let creators get away with this shit anymore #again still love the show and i mean this in the nicest way possible im not mad at anyone #i dont blame anyone for having faith. but i need to you to view this show as critically as you do every other show #wwdits isnt any different to your average show at the end of the day. it can still pull the exact same shit as any other #as far as baiting the popular ship is concerned #sorry if that hurts to acknowledge cuz no one wants to believe a show that marketed itself as being this queer #would do that. i know. but its still doing it #wwdits #negative //

[pundromeda]

I just don't see how people think 4x09 was not good for Nandermo.

Nandor literally admitted that he fucked up, and then gave up his own happiness with Freddie 2 because Guillermo was sad about it.

Yes, Guillermo got hurt, and that is tough to watch. But Nandor has hurt him before in a multitude of ways over the past seasons. And Guillermo always comes back. Why should this be the thing that breaks their relationship irreparably?

Nandor is closer than ever to realizing that he's in love with Guillermo. I doubt it will happen this season, but I sure as hell expect it to in season 5.

#wwdits #nandermo #just a bit of nandermo optimism for you all #since im seeing a lot of negativity #have faith friends #they wouldnt be putting out an official nandermo promo video if it wasnt going somewhere #wwdits spoilers #wwdits 4x09

[russian-spider]

even the pride parade was organized by a straight man who did it to gain votes for the election :/

#wwdits #am i being too negative? #is it truly gay rep or just an excuse to make gay jokes?

[neonvqmpire]

fandom twitter is incurable

this was a fun 3 month long experiment but i just had to block the last people i followed from wwdits/ofmd stuff

i say it again: no one hates a piece of media more than it's twitter fandom

#at some point it shifted from 'omg this show is perfect. i love everything about it' #to #'this actor is so problematic and actually most of the cast is/ the writing is bad too and i hate this show and im gonna keep focusing on #all the negative stuff' #im not saying you cant point out problems and criticism but jesus christ get a life #if your engagement in a fandom has become 90% just pointing out problematic stuff maybe it's time to leave and realise the world out there #isn't any better #or ugh whatever #this will be the last thing i say about this probably #and watch cancelling by contrapoints #ofmd #wwdits

[sour-grape-s]

Maybe it’s just me but I simply do not understand the desire to watch a crappy leaked Russian language version of the last two episodes of your favourite show?!?!?!

Especially when the season wraps up in less than two weeks! It’s like skipping to the last page in the book when you’ve only got ten pages left… and that last page is in Russian

(I’m selfish and I just want the tag to be fun and silly again)

#what we do in the shadows #wwdits #I don’t wanna know anything but I’ve seen people are upset and I just feel like so much will be missed/out of context #perhaps it’s just me bc I don’t think this show could possibly disappoint me unless it stopped being funny 🤷🏼‍♀️ #I’m just grumpy bc the tag has turned v negative and I miss the fun and the memes

[blue-b-bro]

Nandor is such a pathetic wet cat of a man, so desperate for any guy's approval, he would sell his own mother to appear cool to The boys, I wonder if he ever had real friends except his horse

#The amount of self worth in this one is negative #It's one of the major reasons for his dickish behavior imo #Like yeah he's repressing a lot of his emotions but again one of the reasons for doing that is because he's afraid to be laughed off #nandor the relentless #wwdits #what we do in the shadows

[anxietycheesecake]

Don't worry, they have to deny it because they can't spoil it. Paul Simms is actually a genius, he's just acting like he doesn't understand the show he's running, so it'll be an even bigger surprise when it all makes sense. There's a secret episode where nandermo goes canon, they're just waiting for us to solve the mystery to drop it...

#wwdits #nandermo #negativity

[leebgutz]

nandor turning beautiful stunning marwa into a british white dude has been the biggest “ what the fuck “ moment of my life since stranger things s4 pt2 released

#this is /neg btw #wwdits #what we do in the shadows #wwdits season 4 #what we do in the shadows fx #what we do in the shadows season 4 #marwa #marwa wwdits #wwdits marwa #marwa what we do in the shadows

[guillermosguywife]

its fucking official. wwdits s4 is the gas leak season!!!

#semaphores #wwdits #wwdits neg #DO YOU GET IT. LIKE COMMUNITY. #i still like it but like in a disliking way you know

[parkinglotbirds]

i feel like i cant enjoy the (fewer than usual) good/funny parts of the episode (bean freak babe, colin voice cracking, clown that can suck himself off) because i am so upset at the cop out bullshit way the writers treated marwa 😭 im also sad about guillermo’s heartbreak, and have complaints with how little buildup we got to him and freddie’s relationship, but i could be okay with that if not for the existential horror that was marwa’s second life. i see what they were doing and nandor might have even got some development from that but again, i just cant find that satisfying because marwa’s fate is so disturbing to me (and unnecessary for the point they were making, and not even a good joke? i would rather had nandor just cheat on her? like make a new freddie from scratch?? doing it the way they did just reduced her to like…a body, a vessel. ugh)

#and dont get me wrong i dont need my stories to be perfectly happy or pure or whatever! i can do a gray area!! #just not like this 😭 it’s disturbing and unsatisfying #was it the writer duo for this ep? the director? the editors? what happened #wwdits #wwdits spoilers #wwdits season 4 spoilers #i went in with zero expectations too!! #vent #i also have problem’s with nadja’s characterization this ep #i hate to bring negativity and there were a few good bits so i hope people were able to enjoy those