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amarriageoftrueminds · 2 months
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Feelings on Steve getting called a fascist in AoU?
mine are so mixed like, yes AMERICA is, but Steve doesn't deserve it either especially when CERTAIN CHARACTERS never get called out the same way
Yeah it's the usual conflation of Steve with America (as if he's one of the national personifications as seen in old political cartoons, like Britannia, Marianne, or... the Statue of Liberty.) Very unfair. If he'd had time to think of the repercussions, I'm sure Steve would've put his fut down and wouldn't have let them dress him up as a figurehead to begin with.
Britannia, speaking of characters who never get called out! 🤬
It's very on-brand with Sokovia being framed as a former Soviet country tho (w/ a legacy of being officially anti-American.)
What's interesting is that Hydra has a nearby base dropping missiles on Novi Grad... and when Iron Man appears to try and warn the locals they attack him... and when the city falls out of the sky killing Zemo's family (because he's just sitting there on his ass watching other people die) he blames... the Avengers, and not the Hydra base that was the reason it's all happening there?? That's on-brand with the Sokovian establishment thinking America=Bad. And I guess it makes the Maximoffs nonconformist, if they're watching American sitcoms.
But as far as I can remember... they never actually explain who the Sokovians think is dropping missiles on them and why.
Do they think it's America, since it's a Stark missile? Why would Wanda remain fond of sitcoms from the country that bombed her parents? If it's supposed to be the Soviets dropping those missiles, why would the Sokovians dislike America, Russia's enemy? Shouldn't they be welcoming the Avengers, then??
That film is a fuckin mess, honestly.
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gay-jewish-bucky · 1 year
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People who read Steve's worst nightmare as "aw his worst nightmare is he can't go home with Peggy 🥺"/"his worst nightmare is living in the present" make me insane.
Like no, his worst nightmare is literally him giving up the fight (not just the physical fight, but fighting at all, because even if Steve retires, Steve would still fight for people) for good and settling down into the life mid-century society and the public expects of Captain America.
You know, like his ending?
Also btw the scene was originally supposed to be about Bucky and iirc was supposed to deal with his guilt over what hydra did to him, but Joss hates Bucky so he put P-ggy in there instead, so maybe read a little deeper.
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musclesandhammering · 6 months
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On Narrative Bias
I keep saying it annoys me how Wanda has done so many evil ass things and is never held accountable for her actions, and it never fails that someone tries to respond with “but aren’t you a loki stan? He’s done evil shit too! So you have a double standard and are a misogynist!!!!” Yeah, no. The difference is that you can clearly tell who the writers have predetermined as a hero vs a villain. You can tell who they want you to root for. Loki’s actions are given narrative consequences as harsh as possible, while Wanda’s are narratively excused and softened and sympathised. Let me show you what I mean.
* Loki commits treasons, tries to kill his brother & attempts genocide -> Loki’s father rejects him while he attempts suicide
* Loki tries to conquer earth -> Loki is sentenced to life in prison
* Loki incapacitates the king and secretly takes the throne -> Loki is threatened with a hammer to the face, we’re reminded how awful he is by all the other characters for the rest of the movie & he would’ve faced more consequences if the apocalypse hadn’t interrupted
* Loki steals the tesseract from the vault -> Loki watches his brother be tortured & then has his neck snapped
Now compare that to…
* Wanda willingly signs up to work for a nazi organisation, tries to help an evil robot murder the avengers, intentionally sets the hulk loose on a town of innocent people, & helps destroy Sokovia for a lil while -> Wanda gets a fatherly pep talk from Clint & is immediately accepted as an Avenger
* Wanda accidentally murders a bunch of people while on a mission -> Wanda is put on temporary house arrest in a giant mansion with her boyfriend
* Wanda buries her boyfriend/teammate under like 10 floors of concrete, breaks out of house arrest, & goes against a government order -> the leader of the superhero team defends her, a grown ass woman, by saying “She’s just a kid!”, she’s detained in a government prison for like a week maybe (?) during which she’s shown as a sad helpless victim to encourage sympathy from viewers, & then she gets busted out by the ex-team leader & eventually gets to run off to Scotland with her boyfriend
* Wanda holds an entire town hostage & tortures them just to fulfil her own grief-fuelled fantasy -> one of the women Wanda attacked reassures her that she’s the actual victim in all this and that the people she tortured just have no idea what she’s sacrificed for them & she escapes to an isolated location to read a forbidden demon book and make herself more powerful without anyone interfering
* Wanda goes on a serial killing spree across the multiverse, kidnaps a child, holds her hostage, tortures her, & attempts to take her powers all so she can steal another Wanda’s children because she misses her children that were never actually real in the first place -> Wanda gets some badass power sequences and #girlboss one liners, is the one that destroys the demon book, essentially saving the multiverse from future corruption, & is allowed to die a hero’s death (which we all know isn’t permanent)
See the difference?
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seatawinan · 11 months
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AOU THANABOON as MAX Be My Favorite Episode 4
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sukibenders · 2 years
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Why does the MCU always write mcu!Wanda's storyline having her go after poc? Like....Marvel, what the hell?
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miss-nadias · 1 year
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speaking from a place of privilege (favourite character who is dead so the MCU can't fuck them over)
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thenerdnextdoorxo · 1 year
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can i request an AOU avengers cast x teen!reader. so the reader is starring in the movie as wanda’s like badass kid sidekick sister or whatever role you come up with and she’s the complete opposite of your average kid bc she’s so quiet reserved and uptight like even with rdj jokes she’s just straight faced bc her parents are rarely around bc they’re very successful in Hollywood but when they do get the chance to be around her they always criticize everything she does and generally dog her(mainly her mom) so the cast just wants her to have a different experience from that and have fun while shooting a film
This is an old request, sorry for taking so long T-T also this gif is adorable
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You worked with marvel ever since you were ten, they were basically family to you. You were the youngest there, so naturally you were cared for by everyone. When you don't have anywhere to stay, one of them would offer you to stay at their place. If you want to go somewhere but don't want to go alone, just call one of them and they would immediately go with you. The fact that your parents are not always around makes them even more protective of you.
Your parents are famous Hollywood actors, and for that, they never really where around. They were always traveling and leaving you alone most of the time. When you where younger, you were convinced that you didn't need an adult in your life at all, so whenever some adult tries to help you, you would get annoyed. Frustrated even. You feel that way with every adult except the cast of the Avengers. They never made you feel that way.
Today, you were expecting to see your parents. You were not excited at all. With the new avenger movie coming out, you knew they would criticize the shit out of your performance. They did that every time a movie you were in came out. You would think that the amount of time that they criticize you would make you numb to their comments, but you weren't. You felt each and every one of them. But you hopped that they won't do the same thing today because you thought that you did amazing in the movie. Apparently you were wrong, they started criticizing you about literally everything.
You were confused, you did the best you can, is it not enough? these thoughts has been haunting you even the next week when you had an interview about the new movie and while you were preparing for it, the cast noticed how you were more quite than usual and looked like you were deep in thought about something. Some of them, like Robert and Scarlet tried talking to you to cheer you up a bit, but it didn't work. Then they decided to tell Lizzie about it since she is the closest to you. "She isn't alright I can tell, she didn't even laugh at my jokes, everyone likes my jokes," Robert said.
Lizzie started to get concerned about you, that was not your nature, what is going through your mind? She walked up to you while deep in thoughts and sat next to you. "Hey," She said. "How are you doing?"
"I'm doing fine," You said, not even having the energy to look at her. "Is there something wrong? You know you can tell me. It's okay," She said slightly rubbing your shoulder. You couldn't hold your tears back. How could they be so nice to you when you probably ruined their movie because of your bad performance. When you started crying, the cast gathered around you to know what is going on. When they heard your explanation, they all were heartbroken. How can your parents do that to you? You were their child!
They kept on reassuring you that you did amazing and the fans loved you so much, there is no need to listen to your parents because they are dead wrong. The cast refused to let you live with your parents because they didn't appreciate you at all so they made you live with them and brought you with them to go to trips to make out what you were missing from your parents.
Quality time.
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Guess who has a final tomorrow but decided to write a fic instead of study? meeeeee
my requests are open :)
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wndaswife · 2 years
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“ShE LoSt HEr FAke KiDS aND WeNt CrAzY”
wanda grew up in a third world war-torn country. her parents died because of a bombing that happened during sokovian conflict. she lost her brother, her entire country that was used as no more than a battleground while her people died, vision (three times), and created or not, her children and her family. both her and her brother were experimented on inhumanly by a terrorist organization who took advantage of their desire to make the world a better place after the loss of their parents and their experience with growing up in sokovia. i think people constantly try to belittle her trauma by emphasizing, “omg she lost her fake kids and she went crazy.” you do understand how much she’d lost BEFORE wandavision, how she was relieved to have almost died twice (in AoU and in infinity war)?? she was ready to give up on her life, and yet each time she came back hopeful- stronger. her life in westview was the only thing keeping it all together. once she lost her family, then she “became crazy,” but even then, she was possessed by the darkhold to want to do the things she did in MoM. not only did her true self have NO idea what was going on, as seen when professor x to save her from inside her mind, but she had the power to break from the curse and REPENT for what she did by not only destroying the darkhold in every universe, but also by (allegedly) ENDING HER OWN LIFE. i don’t wanna hear anything about how “she’s not taking accountability.”
i think what’s the most unbelievable to me is how clearly it was explained how the darkhold takes over people’s minds, corrupts them, makes them indulge in their deepest desires and influences them to stop at nothing to get it, and yet wanda is being criticized as if she had control over what she did in MoM???? as if she knew what she was doing??? sorry but did you not watch the scene where professor x went into her mind and found real wanda trapped under rubble asking for his help while she completely unaware of what was going on?? or did that scene just not happen?
antis need to stop disregarding facts as the foundation of their arguments just to prove a point lol it’s getting ridiculous and quite frankly irrational…
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Where did all the casual sex hate suddenly come from? Andrew said that stuff in 2020 (pre-covid) and when promoting Fleabag. Has he said something since and I missed it?
His opinions on sex in regard to AOUS seem very different. People's attitudes towards love and romance can ebb and flow over the years and with experiences. If he wanted casual sex after a breakup in 2020 and got back with Stephen in 2022 and wants tender sex today, that's completely okay and normal.
i honestly don't know; i can't recall him having said anything on the subject since early 2020, but i've also missed some interviews. however, you said everything i've been thinking while answering some of these asks. because, god forbid someone's desires & wants change, especially when going through different stages in their life. i've always hated the 'people can't change their mind' mentality that some seem to have. & when someone does change their mind after a period of time other people ("fans") find a way to criticize them & complain how they're fickle or some shit or keep treating them as if they're still the person they were years ago, because obviously you can't grow & change as a person. (casual sex can be tender too, imo)
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bedlamsbard · 1 year
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violence time (been a fan of ur takes for ten years now) - 12 & 25??
12. the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them
I am a known Howard Stark apologist, which is definitely the easy answer here since this is not going to be a surprise to anyone. I'm not sure how unpopular Howard actually is, though I see a lot of criticism of him, some of it based on things that are just not true in MCU canon. (Friends, things that are canon in the comics are not necessarily true in the MCU, it's been fifteen years, why is this hard for people to figure out. also what does comics canon even mean, it changes every five minutes.) I don't really want to argue against Howard's negatives (yes, he was clearly not a great father!), though some of how I've seen it talked about is definitely bad-spirited and some of it is just the worst possible interpretation of what's onscreen. I like Howard because he is a mess; either deliberately or by accident having him as a ten-year connecting thread across the MCU has made him a bundle of contradictions that is really interesting characterization which shouldn't be flattened. What Phase 1 does with him, where we only see him through other people's memories in IM1 and IM2, or his own constructed memory (the videos in IM2), and then actually meet him in CATFA is some FASCINATING storytelling, because CATFA Howard is a very different person than IM1 and IM2 Howard. And some of that's the passage of time; Howard and Peggy are really the only characters that we see across a timespan that long, but we never see the constructed reality of Peggy the way we do the constructed reality of Howard.
also come on the man flew a civilian aircraft (branded with his company's name! very clearly a passenger airplane!) through Nazi-occupied Europe to drop an experimental super soldier on a solo mission against orders and on Peggy's word alone, while actively being shot at; he's not a combat pilot! he's not trained to fly through flak! it's an ungunned plane! (AC also heavily implies that Howard is Jewish, which makes this even more personally dangerous for him than just getting shot at.) how is that not an incredibly cool thing?
25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing
"Steve is out of character in The Avengers (or Endgame or AoU)." I actually think that Steve in Avengers is a masterpiece of characterization, it's just all really, really subtle and carried out almost entirely through microexpressions. There's a general unwillingness in this fandom -- in any fandom, really -- to write off anything other than the most basic reading of a character as just being OOC, when it's usually way more interesting to think about why the character is acting that way and what it says about them, which may be unflattering. Like, come on, people, why do you want to take the most shallow reading possible of a character as complex as Steve Rogers? You say you're a Cap fan but you don't want him to be interesting? Get over yourselves.
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gay-jewish-bucky · 1 year
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seb cancelling everything including a convention appearance and flying cross country to film a tiny cameo in ghosted with chris confirms what i've always suspected: marvel saying they gave his part in aou to peggy because seb was "busy" so couldn't film a short scene was bullshit
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denimbex1986 · 2 months
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'Andrew Scott and Paul Mescal are no strangers to the “internet boyfriend” phenomenon — a term used to describe a collective crush by social media users. And they are perfectly fine with being in a league that includes Timothée Chalamet, Pedro Pascal, and Oscar Isaac.
“It’s a mark of respect,” Mescal says on a warm November afternoon in Los Angeles during their Out photo shoot, shortly after the pair posed together and cracked inside jokes like, well, actual boyfriends might. The 27-year-old says that “to be admired for your work is a great privilege, and to move people, it’s an amazing thing to be able to say.” (Mescal, for his part, says he has “a massive talent crush and admiration for [Triangle of Sadness star] Harris Dickinson.”)
In recent years, the two Irish actors have gained international followings (and crushes) for their roles. Scott, an out actor, was beloved for playing James Moriarty on Sherlock before rising to critical acclaim as the “hot priest” on Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s Emmy-winning Fleabag. Mescal, who is straight, established himself as the indie It Boy in projects like Normal People and Aftersun, the latter of which garnered him an Oscar nomination last year.
It was only a matter of time before these stars collided, and that clash resulted in some of this season’s most alluring and haunting performances in All of Us Strangers. It’s not just the internet that’s smitten; the film has been a darling of awards season, with Oscar buzz surrounding the leads as well as Andrew Haigh for his direction and screenplay.
Based on Japanese author Taichi Yamada’s 1987 novel, Strangers, the newest project from Haigh — beloved for gay productions like Weekend and Looking — is part ghost story, part family drama, and all steamy romance. It follows a lonely London screenwriter named Adam (Scott) who meets and falls in love with his neighbor Harry (Mescal) while reconnecting with his parents (Jamie Bell and Claire Foy) in the suburban home he used to live in 30 years prior. The catch? Adam’s parents have been dead for quite some time.
While the soul of the supernatural AOUS may be Adam’s journey of reconciling with these ghosts after years of solitude, the beating heart of the film is his blossoming relationship with Harry, which will get many fans’ own hearts racing.
Awash in romantic chemistry, Adam and Harry’s dynamic reads like a dream come true to many urban-dwelling queer men who likewise yearn for connection. A sexy, mysterious neighbor comes knocking at the door. You may play coy at first, but you slowly let him into a routine of passionate sex, all-night dancing, quiet afternoons spent reading, and general domestic bliss. Mescal and Scott fall into this rhythm so easily that it’s easy to forget that one of the actors is straight. But Mescal is no stranger to queer culture.
“A lot of the things that Harry’s experiencing, I knew and understood,” Mescal shares. “The party culture side to Harry is like a tool that he uses to escape, but in terms of queer culture and in terms of learning…I have a proximity to that in my own life, so it didn’t feel like that part of it wasn’t necessarily eye-opening or anything to me personally.”
“Our job as actors is to build, to service this extraordinary, amazing relationship that Andrew [Haigh] created, and it was really, really easy for us to do that,” Scott says of their chemistry. “I think both of us are really interested in playing romantic love. I think it’s something that we both really take pleasure in acting, so it was very, very, very easy for both of us.”
The lovers' bond wasn't the only one that captivated AOUS audiences. The film’s fantastical way of bringing Adam’s Mum and Dad back to life, if only for a few brief moments at a time, is cathartic for anyone seeking another chance to reconnect. These parents aren’t perfect, and their reactions to Adam’s sexuality reflect the attitudes people had of queer folks during the time they passed in the ’80s. But Bell and Foy’s performances give life to a realistic and loving family dynamic.
“For the queer experience, a lot of the time it’s not outward rejection nor is it all-embracing acceptance,” Scott says of his moving coming-out scene. “For a lot of people, it’s a sort of thorny time where your parents or members of your family ask you questions that are clumsy and sometimes unwittingly cruel and upsetting. There has to be a period of adjustment, and I think that’s a more common experience for people. And I think it’s really important that that’s represented as well, that some of these questions that our parents ask us, they may be out of fear, but they’re also out of love.”
“Looking at the 1980s, this is why our media is very important,” he continues. “I remember when we were researching Pride and looking at the way gay people were spoken about in the press, and it was absolutely shocking. They could literally call people perverts, and it was just fear-mongering and really, really grotesque. So of course, if somebody’s going to come out in the 1980s to their parents, the parents are going to be, almost wisely, a little bit cautious because that’s what they’ve been fed by the media. But once the media stops feeding them that stuff, then, as I think is beginning to happen now, we go, OK, it’s an option if my son or daughter or child is gay. That’s an option because prejudice doesn’t survive proximity.”
For Haigh, it was important to revive these old ghosts of prejudice for modern-day viewers. “There’s no point pretending that everything is always fantastic and great and we’re all happy all the time, so I think it’s important to look at some of the issues, and this film, for me, was very much about a certain generation of queer person, especially one who grew up in the ’80s, and how they came into their sexuality,” Haigh said at a special L.A. screening in December. “That hasn’t quite been a story that I’ve seen too much about in terms of how that past has affected a lot of us in the present. And that was what was really interesting to me.”
“We could all understand that we might want to go back in time and recalibrate our relationships with our parents,” Haigh continued. “Especially when you’re [a] queer person, they’re not always easy. There’s a lot of things that have been unsaid. For me, [All of Us Strangers] is so much about how easy it is as a queer person to drift away from your family. That’s one of the saddest things — I think sometimes about when you are different in the world, you can feel like you are alone in that difference. This was really a chance of togetherness, again, within the family.”
Of course, it wouldn’t be an Andrew Haigh project with a fairy-tale ending. Though Adam was able to reach a loving resolution in his metaphysical reunions with Mum and Dad, the new family he finds in his boyfriend Harry — one that audiences are led to believe can last the test of time (even Mum is on board) — isn’t quite what it seems. Harry is also going through his own struggles with loneliness, particularly estrangement from his biological family, leading him to knock on Adam’s door in the first place.
“I think there’s great tragedy in not seeing somebody sad but seeing somebody fight against being sad or being perceived to be upset or lonely. And I think Harry, for the most part, encounters people who facilitate that,” Mescal says. “He meets Adam, who doesn’t facilitate that, who doesn’t allow him to simply go, ‘I’m all good, let’s go take ketamine at the club. I’m all here. I’m happy.’ I mean, they do that as well. And that’s why I think the film is so brilliant. It balances it out in that regard.”
“I wouldn’t have played this part if I was just a representation of a sad gay man or the happy party,” Mescal continues. “It’s the fact that both of those things exist beside each other.”
Yet Adam and Harry’s story can impart many lessons to audiences, the most important being that everyone deserves love during their lifetime — and beyond.
“I think Harry is both serving as a warning and a celebration of what it is to be loved,” Mescal says. “He serves as a warning to parents of the damage you can do with the casual cruelty that you present to a child if you’re not careful with the information that you give them. But also, even when you do that, if you receive true love from somebody, it can save you.”
“The whole point of art is to increase our empathy, that we’re the same as people who don’t look or act or fuck like we do,” adds Scott, who was overjoyed to learn from some AOUS audience members that they hugged their kids, LGBTQ+ and otherwise, after screening the film. “That’s the thing that I really would want to hold on to.”'
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marvelmaster69 · 3 months
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A little something for the trans!Wanda headcanon with a little side of Pietro just being an overall good big brother! Set years before AoU, before they even found Hydra.
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Pietro Maximoff didn't always have a sister. For years, he had a brother. A twin brother, actually. When this brother turned sixteen, he decided that he could no longer lie to himself or his brother. One day, Pietro Maximoff was sat down on a rickety park bench in the outskirts of Sokovia by his brother.
"Piet, I have something important to tell you." His brother said slowly, shifting in his seat and fidgeting with the loose threads on his clothes. Pietro laughed, slapping his brother good-naturedly on the shoulder but quickly turning serious when his brother just shook his hand off and murmured a quiet "No, Piet".
"What… what's wrong? nobody tried messing with you, did they?" Pietro said worriedly, his protective older brother instincts flaring up. His brother shook his head, quietly clearing his throat and glancing up at Pietro. "No, that's not the problem. Pietro, I'm... Fuck," Pietro's brother sighed frustratedly before deciding to just spit out, to get it over with as soon as possible.
"I'm not who you think I am." He squeezed his eyes shut before continuing, scared of his brother's reaction. "I'm not a boy at all, I'm a girl. There's... There's this thing call transgender. It's like… I was born a boy but up here," Pietro's brother tapped on his temple, symbolic of the magical powers he would go on to have.
"I'm a girl. Can you… Can you please call me Wanda, instead?" He said softly, his voice tight and shaking as a few stray tears slipped down the apple of his cheeks. Pietro froze, unsure of what he was hearing. "What..." Pietro breathed out, shaking his head as if to understand the words better. "I'm a girl, Pietro." his brother… no, sister said again. Wanda said again. Suddenly, Pietro understood.
"So," he swallowed harshly, looking back at Wanda. "So, you're not… You're a boy? Like... Like me? Like me and papa? Not, not like mama?" He said, just to clarify. Wanda nodded, reluctantly opening her eyes to look at Pietro. Pietro slowly smiled, a grin forming on his lips. He wrapped an arm around Wanda's shoulders, pulling her into his side. "Shit," Pietro breathes out playfully, squeezing her shoulders. "Gonna need to get you more clothes," Pietro noted, shrugging. "These are too boyish for a girl like you." Wanda blushed, clearly pleased with the words. Wanda was slowly relaxing, her stiff frame reluctantly melting into Pietro's side.
"So, you're okay with it? with me?" Pietro's eyes widened as his jaw slackened. "Wait, people aren't okay with this? Why the fuck not?! You're still you, you're just… Different. A good different. I always wanted a sister, anyway." Wanda only smiled, leaning her head on Pietro's shoulder as they watched the young children playing on the playground in the small park. When a little girl with long light brown hair pushed a little boy with platinum blond hair on the swings, they both seemed to relax a little, realizing that they're still siblings, still always there for each other, no matter what.
So, that's it!
Feel free to give me any constructive criticism, just don't be a dick about it.
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They really made Wanda's only personality trait being a mother. Like, even her alternate, 838 Earth variant, as soon as she is released from being possessed by MCU Wanda, is immediately just like, "My boys!" which, yeah, she should be worried about them, but she should also be like wtf happened how did I get possessed did I just kill a bunch of people? And prime MCU Wanda has literally nothing else about her, no goals, no personality outside of being a mom. She doesn't even feel like the Wanda from WandaVision, who still managed to keep her personality while being a mother. Multiverse of Madness Wanda is nothing except a mother.
And to make it worse, when she can't become a mother, MCU Wanda's immediate choice of action is to kill herself. It basically continues the message that they started with Natasha in AoU and Endgame that if you aren't or can't become a mother you're literally better off dead. It's so fucking awful and damaging to be putting these ideas out into the world especially with what's going on in countries like America regarding women's reproductive rights currently.
Oof that last line. Yeah...Disney/MCU has been pushing the nuclear family trope a lot recently. I remember one of the key criticisms of EG was that Nat was sacrificed because she didn't/couldn't have a nuclear family, while Clint needed to preserve his. Tony had his nuclear family added with a forced 5 year gap in order to maximise sympathy.
I had a circuitous conversation with my friend who watched the movie (she liked parts of it). I pointed out Wanda literally spent the last 3 movies/shows agonising over Vision, why was that not a thing? What about her twin she had been codependent on for most of her formative years? Why was he not mentioned? Why was her made up kids the trigger? And she was like yeah but they were real to her! And I was like...they were real for TWO WEEKS. Vision and Pietro were real for YEARS.
And then she was like but the DARK HOLD. And I was like even if the dark hold corrupted people by showing them what they desire, why was her biggest desire her kids who barely existed? Why was her greatest desire not the family she lost? Or Vision? For whom she had so much grief she willed an entire reality into shape? And why didn't she just create her kids again?
And my friend said again, BUT THE DARK HOLD.
Anyway we ended up agreeing the dark hold is just some convenient plot mumbo-jumbo to make Wanda a villain. (Also that seems to summarise most of the arguments I've seen on tumblr over her portrayal in DSMOM)
I didn't watch a lot of interviews with Lizzie Olsen but I got the sense she was fairly involved (as much as an actor can be) on drafting Wanda's emotional arc in WV, whereas I remember that interview with Benedict and Lizzie (the one where they said Sebastian hasn't been hit with the ugly stick) where they both awkward laughed and said yeah we didn't really know what we were doing until on the day (or something along those lines).
One of the main criticisms I've seen is the trope that powerful women are emotionally unstable, which perpetuates the myth that perhaps women should not have access to great power because they can't control it (like emotionally stable men can). This is the trope that Captain Marvel subverted. Sadly...Wanda just fell back into it.
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The main MCU sub was chock full of condescending takes like this for a few months after Waldron murdered Wanda. It was utterly maddening.
Is it shallow/selfish of me to say that even if these people were right, I would still hate it because this is not something I ever wanted to see happen to Wanda?
I don't think it would be selfish at all, no. By these users' logic, media can't be criticized because whatever canon does to a character is their official arc and "it was always meant to end that way". That's such a weird way of looking at fiction, imo. Fiction and narrative are not "meant" to end in any specific way, it depends on the writer, the director, the studio...
It's bollocks to assume that the Wanda in AoU was always meant to end as a villain who enjoys the murder of innocents - I can just as fine claim her arc was always meant to be her living a happy life with Vision so she could have what she never did growing up.
The truth is "meant to be" has no place in fiction. What happened to Wanda's arc is that Raimi and Waldron refused to watch WandaVision, I'm pretty sure they didn't watch the previous movies either, and one just wanted a villain who would be fun to write and the other wanted an evil witch as an excuse to show some flashy spells that would look good on-screen. Neither of them cared about her arc (she has none in the movie), they didn't care about what she was going through (they forgot the Darkhold after the first 15 minutes) and didn't give a damn what would happen to her after the film.
An arc can totally be a character going dark and getting worse and ending in death, of course it can. But that's no excuse to pick up a wonderfully complex character and write their descent into darkness as utterly simplistic, completely devoid of complexity and nuance and resolved as "I have no idea what to do with her so I'm gonna kill her". That's what most people don't like. I never wanted Wanda to go that route and I'd rather see her ending as a happy woman, but if her story doesn't end well you have to do a good job of writing it properly.
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What are we, as a society, supposed to do when vice versa ends next week? What will even happen in the next episode? What do you think? Will it emotionally wreck us and give us permanent damage in some kind of way? Will the anon have to check up on you again if you're doing okay?
Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO CHECK ON ME REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON SATURDAY I SWEAR IM SO IN DENIAL OVER VICE VERSA E-WORDING IM GONNA GIVE SO MUCH 'IF THIS WERE THE 19TH CENTURY DOCTORS WOULD HAVE ME ON SOME HEROIN TONIC' ENERGY AND THAT'S BOTH A THREAT AND A PROMISE
okay but speaking of what i actually think it's gonna happen in the episode [puts her clown wig on] i honestly believe the preview was purposely made to mislead us and make us wonder if puen and talay are gonna travel between universe again, when in fact there isn't gonna be any more switching (at least for them). im fully convinced the "are we back to this universe again, tess?" line is just puen flexing his acting skills and pranking talay because he is a little shit (derogatory AND affectionate) and talay is actually gonna kick his ass this time and they're gonna wrestle around in bed and they're gonna kiss and AND..... sorry, what was i saying? oh, right
the reason why i believe this is mostly because of neo and aou: in the quick glimpse we got of them, neo is wearing glasses and aou doesn't have his usual hairstyle, and their countenance is also completely different, which is why i don't think those are up and aou, but they are their 'version' in puen and talay's universe (just like in the alternate universe, for example, gun wasn't an actor but a movie critic and mek looked like someone talay used to have a crush on). another reason is that gyo is the one comforting talay when he is crying and saying "i miss our time together. can we just go back?", and i find it hard to believe that talay sat there and explained everything about universe travelling to her. what i think it's more reasonable is that we're gonna have some drama caused by puen's job keeping him away from talay and not allowing them to have some privacy, so what talay actually means in that scene is 'can we just go back to where it was just the two of us and other people didn't poke their nose in our business?'
the only thing that gives me some doubt is the "i want to stop time. i want to stop our universe travelling" line but that could also easily fit in some flashback. so yeah, my prediction is that we're gonna have 10 minutes of drama caused by puen being a famous actor and 30 minutes of puen and talay being disgustingly in love and rebuilding friends credit in their own universe (and hopefully dol and pang switching back too) IM MANIFESTING THIS 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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