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suykotzuly · 9 months

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The Hazbin Hotel fandom trying to hold together despite shipp differences:

Respect the shipp of others, but do not tolerate the intolerable:)

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duaghterofstories · 1 month

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I will not be elaborating or defending myself. 😘

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yasssgiveusnothing · 3 months

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Radiohusk Analysis: Alastor Cares or Nothing Makes Sense (Part 1)

In the pilot, Alastor needs to bribe Husk to work as the bartender for his new fun project, Hazbin Hotel (HH)! However, as we're told in season 1 episode 5, Alastor has Husk's soul, and therefore, can make Husk do whatever. So why the fuck does Alastor need to bribe him? What reason would he feel compelled to do that if he already has the power to make Husk to anything he wants? Let's discuss some possible options.

A) Alastor feels as if he needs the extra incentive to get Husk to do his job.

This argument has no substance to me because we see in season 1 episode 5 that Alastor has no quelms with putting Husk (or anyone) in their place. If Alastor needed Husk to be obedient and to attend the bar for the hotel, Alastor could have just threatened Husk and reminded him that he has no choice, considering he has his soul.

B) Vivziepop forgot that in the canon pilot that she wrote Husk as needing to be bribed in order to work the bar.

This is very possible, considering Vivziepop did not write or create the dynamic and most of the interactions that makes Husk and Alastor's relationship. That being said, it is possible that she wouldn't remember the details of their dynamic/interaction from the pilot, but also not understand the characters and their relationship.

C) Alastor cares.

Alastor wants Husk to be satisfied under his care. It is the only narrative that makes sense, whether it was Viv's intention or not. Alastor gives Husk a choice to work at the hotel. It is why Alastor decides to bribe him instead of using his power and authority to do make Husk work the bar.

Alastor also listens to Husk's concerns about Mimzy and considers him. Alastor also trusts Husk enough to let him know his secret involving being on Lilith's leash.

THERE IS RESPECT AND TRUST THERE! He even lets Husk put a finger on him (making their argument physical!)

I mean, Alastor could have easily ripped Husk a new asshole for putting hands on him and verbally attacking Alastor by weaponizing the fact that he also has a leash around his neck, but he didn't.

Let's not forget that Alastor has 'killed' for less! He attacks Sir Pentious for tearing a piece of his coat!

You might be thinking something along the lines of If Alastor cares, why did he threaten Husk?

Nothing is black and white, the least of all relationships, especially relationships in Hell. Alastor isn't exactly a good guy. You can still care about someone and hurt/lash out at them. Also, Husk said something that was aimed to hurt Alastor. It's like if someone you trusted one day said, "That's why your dad left" in the middle of an argument. I'd be pissed too! I wouldn't fucking put a finger on them or threaten them (because I'm not made up of the same stuff a sinner in disney hell is), but it's understandable Alastor would BECAUSE IT'S HELL. Also, the fact that Alastor didn't even hurt Husk during this scene is proof enough that Alastor cares deeply and evidence that the pushing of Angel-Val parallels on this duo is absolute bullshit and makes no sense.

Whether Vivzie forgot or not, what is important is that her perspective of the story is not the only one that matters. A writer can have a specific vision in mind for their story and the characters in it; however, the viewer has the liberty to interpret the text however they want based on their imagination, experience, and relationships. Viewer interpretation helps to broaden perspectives and open up potential interpretations that differ from the writer's original perspective.

#radiohusk #hazbin hotel #alastor the radio demon #hazbin spoilers #radiohusk analysis #alastor x husk #hazbin hotel valentino #Valdust #hazbin hotel husk #angel dust #hazbin hotel theory #hazbin hotel analysis #hazbin hotel alastor #vivziepop #vivzieverse #sir pentious #hazbin hotel spoilers

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jubileemon · 2 months

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Hazbin Hotel: Poison Song

The song became controversial due to the visuals that accompany it were seem as portraying the topic of sexual abuse in an insensitive and some sort of sick fetish, but not from Angel Dust's perspective. Let me explain:

Valentino's Obsession and Control

Valentino's behavior towards Angel extends beyond professional boundaries, crossing into personal and sexual territory. His obsession with Angel Dust is evident in his relentless pursuit and control over him, which includes forcing himself upon Angel Dust and engaging in non-consensual acts. The series does not shy away from depicting the grim reality of such abusive relationships, challenging the audience to confront the severity of these issues.

Angel's inability to break free from Valentino's grip is symbolized by a contract that legally binds him to his abuser. The series hints at the possibility of escape, suggesting that the contract's dissolution could be the key to the sinner's liberation. However, the power to terminate this contract lies with Valentino, leaving Angel in a state of limbo and dependence.

Coping Mechanism and Self-Destruction

Angel was bound by a contract to Valentino, faces a harrowing existence under his dominion. Valentino, who is both Angel Dust's employer in the adult film industry and his abuser, employs gaslighting tactics to keep Angel Dust in line. The series showcases the psychological impact of such abuse, with Angel Dust being subjected to poor mistreatment and threats that leave him feeling trapped and hopeless.

Angel Dust's coping strategy involves substance abuse and self-sabotage, hoping to become so broken that Valentino will lose interest in him. This tragic approach to dealing with trauma is a reflection of the harsh reality faced by many abuse victims, who sometimes resort to self-harm in an effort to become unappealing to their abusers.

It is worth noting that Valentino is the one who should be freaking out in this scene, not Angel Dust, because actually managing to piss off Lucifer's daughter is like a mouse finally poking a lazy cat into action. But Charlie's demeanor is so unthreatening that even when she is clearly going to break Valentino like a twig for his behavior, Valentino isn't threatened and Angel actually stops Charlie from attacking him, seeing her as the one in danger. This is noted to be a favorite tactic of real-life abusers, in which they psychologically bind their victims so badly that they themselves will refuse help from people who would've saved them with little effort.

Angel's meltdown when Husk rejects him one too many times is both this and even more sadder, reminding us that Valentino's abuse has all but fully convinced Angel that his only worth is sex. As well as after Husk called him fake right before the meltdown, his eyes glow magenta and he gets up in Husk’s face.

The Music

The 'Poison' music video serves as a metaphorical exploration of Angel Dust's entrapment and addiction to the toxic relationship with Valentino. Visual elements such as pink smoke-like chains represent Valentino's control, while the ambiguous nature of their sexual encounters raises questions about consent. The video culminates in a scene that encapsulates the fear and distress Angel Dust experiences, highlighting the cyclical nature of abuse.

At one point in the song Angel straight up says that he can only blame himself instead of pinning any of it on "the poisoner" for all the abuse he's being put through. A harrowing reminder of how too many a victim feels like they've brought their suffering upon themselves or, worse, believe they deserve it.

Throughout the sequence, Angel is trying to maintain his "mask" of super-confidence and semi-aggressive sexuality on camera... but the mask keeps slipping. His face flashes from resigned, to frightened, to just plain tired, before he has to fake enthusiasm again. Worse, Valentino appears to be deliberately throwing Angel off his stride whenever he successfully gets into character: for example, when during the dance sequence between Angel and Valentino, Angel's doing a good job of appearing graceful and seductive...until Valentino literally yanks Angel's soul-contract chain to bring him crashing to the ground, a move that clearly startles Angel.

During the final dance sequence, the Angel we see "happily" dancing on stage is contrasted with his "real" self shown on screens surrounding him, going through the agonizing abuse that Valentino subjects him to. When Valentino arrives and drags Angel off to be raped again, it's flipped on its head — now the Angel on stage is fearful and upset while his screen counterpart "happily" continues the dance. "I disassociate, disappear" indeed...

#hazbin hotel #hazbin analysis #vivziepop #angel dust #character analysis #song #song analysis #hazbin hotel poison #valentino #hazbin hotel valentino #valdust #hazbin angel dust #angel dust hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel angel dust #abuse #toxic relationship #huskerdust #poison hazbin hotel

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crispyliza · 2 months

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I hadn't been part of a big fandom in a minute so I had forgotten how annoying it is. In tiktok videos featuring Valentino there are comments that are complimenting his design, his voice, his style etc and all the replies are shit like "i can't believe you like a rapist", "couldn't be me", "you must be a horrible person" etc.

Like, he has a voice actor??? Saying you like his voice is perfectly normal???

And he has a cool ass design, what with the cape that's actually his wings and shit. He is, before everything else, a fucking drawing.

Even his personality and his actions! He is a CHARACTER. Someone created it him to be like that!!! He is a good complex character!!!!!

Saying you like any of the above doesn't mean you condone sexual abuse for fucks sake!

Also on the topic of shipping him with Angel Dust, many are saying it's wrong and unforgivable bc it's a victim and his abuser. And that's like, the whole point????

It's like how some people like horror movies. The fucked up aspect of their relationship is what's appealing.

Explore the dynamics of a toxic abusive relationship is interesting and these are imaginary characters that don't exist!!!!! Not that different from watching the Saw movies!!!

I wish everyone on tiktok and twitter would chill

#hazbin hotel #text #ranting #valentino hazbin hotel #angel dust #anthony #crispy talks #i should stick to tumblr #we somehow became the normalest website #vivziepop #hellaverse #valangel #hh #valdust

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angelduffhazbin · 2 months

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♥ Ship Popularity ♥ #2

#hazbin hotel #hazbinhotel #hazbin angel dust #Angel Dust #Radioidust #Huskerdust #Sirdust #valdust #spidermoth #staticdust #cherridust #charliedust

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porgatino · 18 days

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New valangel fic is up!! Please mind the tags 🩷 It’s bad feels and spicy spicy 🌶️

Read 🦋🕷️

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel fics #valangel #hazbin hotel valentino #hazbin hotel angel dust #hazbin valentino #hazbin angel dust #valdust #porga writes

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blueberrycalvaria · 14 days

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The thing about running a successful business is sometimes you have to look at your assets and make cuts. Like pruning the dead heads off of flowers or pulling out the weeds.

Vox understood this.

However when 'making cuts' involves cancelling your... boyfriend's?... lover's?... situationship's? favourite show, things get a little more messy.

Valentino finds out that Hell-a-Novella is going to be cancelled and decides to bring his favourite pet to change Vox's mind.

After all Val always gets what he wants... in the end.

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What's that? A new smutty Hazbin hotel fic 👀

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel fanfiction #hazbin hotel vox #hazbin hotel valentino #hazbin hotel angel dust #vox #valentino #angel dust #hazbin vox #hazbin valentino #hazbin angel dust #staticmoth #valdust #fanfic

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cheeseyproship · 3 months

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Friendly reminder to antis that angel dust is a fictional character and so is Valentino. They are not real. Shipping them is fine and doesn't mean you support abuse irl at all.

#hazbin hotel #valdust #proshipping

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fanby-fckry · 22 days

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If you follow me on twitter, you know I barely use the fucking bird app, but I found this wonderful analysis by user ouromatic on a BPD Valentino headcanon, and wound up writing a whole reply thread about toxic FP ValAngel based on my BPD Angel Dust headcanon.

Because tumblr is where I have the biggest following, I’m gonna screenshot and post here. (Hopefully Ouro doesn’t mind; I’m adding both threads for Context™️.)

Putting it below the cut because between the two threads, this gets LONG.

Content Warning: References to canon-typical abusive ValAngel dynamic.

Disclaimer: I am not condoning abuse, saying that people with BPD/Cluster B Personality Disorders are inherently abusive, or saying that BPD/any mental illness excuses abuse.

Also, I don’t say this in my thread, but I’m diagnosed with BPD, so I’ve got my card to talk about this. Gatekeepers and saneists stay out of my notes or get blocked. <3

One of these days, I’m going to write my BPD Angel Dust essay, but that day is not today.

Anyway, I’m integrating BPD ValAngel into my belief system, and there’s nothing you can do to stop me.

#fanby’s fuckery #fanby’s headcanons #hazbin hotel #angel dust #angel dust hazbin hotel #valentino hazbin hotel #valangel #valdust #abuse cw #id in alt text

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angeldustanalog · 11 days

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most of the staticmoth incorrect quotes would have a fundamentally identical effect if you replaced 'val' with 'angel' and 'vox' with 'val' just in case anyone was wondering

#staticmoth #valdust #hazkin #4-aOC-dmt #this is instigation #and flirting #its a lot of things

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duaghterofstories · 1 month

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Was enjoying a video of someone calling out the purity culture in the Hazbin Fandom until she said that it was bad of Vivzie to sell ValDust merch. Like, Vivzie sucks, don’t get me wrong, but that in particular isn’t why.

#pro ship #proship #profiction #profic #anti anti #proshipper #proship safe #hazbin hotel #hazbin #hazbin hotel fandom #anti purity culture #valdust

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yasssgiveusnothing · 3 months

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Radiohusk Analysis: Husk Cares or Nothing Makes Sense (Part 2)

Husk cares about Alastor. It makes no narrative sense otherwise.

Let's talk about it!

Husk goes out of his way to help Alastor when it would be in his best interest to not care AT ALL about that man:

Husk goes to Al to warn him of Mimzy and ARGUE with him for Al's benefit.

Husk gets frustrated when Al doesn't heed his warning and thinks Al will get hurt.

These screenshots are from season 1 episode 5.

Here's the scene:

Let's delve deeper into it!

Narratively, that whole scene serves three purposes:

1. To tell the viewer Al is also on someone's leash.

2. To tell the viewer Husk worries and cares about Alastor.

We are shown Husk going out of his way to help Al, only for Al to tell Husk that he does not need to worry because Al has everything under control. We then see Al was correct as he jovialy kills and consumes his enemies without effort. In other words, what the viewer learns from this scene is that Husk needlessly worries about Alastor's well-being.

3) To draw parallels between Angel & Valentino and Husk & Al.

You might be thinking, Exactly! If Husk and Al are just lke Angel and Val, why would Husk care for Al or vice versa?!

Vivzie has been pushing this narrative that Al and Husk are parallels for Angel and Val this entire season. I don't think there are enough words to describe how this parallel doesn't work, but I'll try anyway.

A) Angel does not care for Val's well being.

Angel would not go out of his way to help Val like Husk helps Alastor.

B) Val does not care for Angel's well-being.

Val doesn't need to bribe his soul contracts to work with him.

Val straight up gives Angel no free will. (Unlike Al who does not force Husk to attend the bar, instead chosing to bribe him).

If Angel gives the slightest of attitude, Val does not hesitate to get physical immediately. (Unlike Alastor, who not only lets Husk shove a finger into his chest, but let's him speak his mind and does not immediately maim him for disrespecting him.)

C) Husk is not afraid of Al.

A man scared of Al would not argue with him or his benefit, nor go up to him and jab a finger in his chest. And yes, Husk was scared of Al when Al threatened him, but Husk fucking started it! He literally made a jab at the guy where it would hurt! If you made a jab at your pal and they start foaming at the mouth, you'd be scared too, but also know you lowkey deserved it and shouldn't be surprised it happened. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Al and Husk sit together without Husk shitting himself. Could you possibly imagine Angel sitting next to Val without wanting to disappear through the floor? Nope!

D) Al trusts Husk. Refer to my previous theory for more information.

E) Al does not regularly assault or overwork Husk.

Husk chills at the bar all day with access to infinite alcohol. This is the closest Husk will ever get to Heaven.

Alastor has not assaulted Husk ever. Unless we're calling the time Alastor pulls on Husk's chain and makes him fall to the floor an assault. Which, sure, fine. But that ONE push that left NO INJURIES was the only time Al has ever gotten aggressively handsy with Husk. And funnily enough, Husk was the first one to put hands on the other.

This 'assault' in comparison to the treatment Angel gets from Val pales CONSIDERABLY. In fact, the two duos are NOTHING ALIKE beyond there being a Overlord owns your soul dynamic, but with Radiohusk, that dynamic barely takes place as Alastor treats him more like a trusted pal than an object to be abused.

I also want to quickly go over how I feel Husk is out of character for the second half of this scene.

Husk is perceptive. He understands other people extremely well, which has been shown numerous times throughout the show as he reads the entire main cast and Mimzy. He is also a gambler, which means he knows when to bet and when to fold.

So you expect me to believe that Husk would say THAT to Alastor and expect him to take it well, especially when Husk knows it is a sensitive subject to him?

And Alastor's reaction is kinda valid. I mean, someone who you trusted with this information weaponizes it against you by spitting it back in your face! If Angel can have a meltdown over being someone's bitch, why can't Alastor? I mean, Angel throws a broken glass bottle at Husk's head, but Alastor pushes Husk and suddenly Al is as bad as Valentino?

With this, I conclude thtat:

Husk cares about Alastor

Alastor cares about Husk

Angel & Valentino's relationship does not parallel Alastor & Husk's.

Husk was out of character during the second half of that scene and was possibly a result of Vivzie desperately trying to parallel Valdust with Radiohusk.

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jubileemon · 1 month

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What if Valentino's contract is keeping Angel in Hell?

Despite the vague criteria for getting into Heaven, Angel has proven to be a good person deserving of salvation. However, the magically binding contract (which he signed his real name under Anthony) has his soul in Valentino's pocket, marking him as "property" of Hell. Were the contract to be rendered void, Angel would be given the option to ascend.

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craycraybluejay · 3 months

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Sneak Peek of My Draft (For Anyone Interested)

I can’t feel my fuckin’ arms. In the magenta-tinted haze of the dark room, Angel closes his eyes. Before, the ceiling was spinning– but now it’s the bed underneath him. Flailing around with one arm, then another, and another, trying to find his phone. God, what a mess. Cracking an eye open, Angel Dust half-falls, half-crawls with his top set of arms down the side of the bed, feeling his insides lurch disapprovingly. If he’s unlucky he’ll feel this nauseous the rest of the night. If he’s even more unlucky, he’ll ruin his client’s bed or floor and have to text Valentino for damage control. The pornstar has a reputation to uphold after all. He hates the way Val looks at him when he shows any sign of weakness. Like he’s the moth and not the spider. Like he’s about to be eaten alive. He loves it. He fucking hates it.

#valdust #angel dust #drug abuse #complex trauma #character study #fic writing #sneak peek #the evil moth pimp and his spider whore. tbh #writing #my writing #bad victim [TM]

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porgatino · 18 days

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Tiny preview of my valangel fic 🩷 I was going to post tonight but I’m not home to format so I’m sharing this in its place. Please accept this spicy offering 🤲🏽

Edit: Fic is posted 🩷

#hazbin hotel #Hazbin hotel fic #valangel #hazbin hotel angel dust #hazbin hotel valentino #valdust #fanfic #porga writes

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