#anti swan queen

[laianely]

Yesterday I had a big fight with S/Qer, who went to my moot’s comments under CS edit and wrote his “opinion”. It so strange to me, how they can see everything in completely wrong way. And it’s funny how they ignore all red flags in Regina even if you give them facts, quotes and moments.

That guy said that they could do True Love test in Underworld because Emma felt guilty. Oh, man, they literally said that it was TRUE LOVE test. Your interpretation is only your problem.

And that guy wrote “Because of an opinion like yours, women are raped and killed”. What? 💀

Just ship what you want and don’t try to bring your unnecessary opinion to those people who will never understand you and your delusional interpretation.

#captain swan #anti swan queen #anti regina mills #once upon a time #ouat

[selkiemaidenfae]

this is something i want to go deeper into in a video essay but it can't be understated how fucking weird it was as a deeply-oblivious-to-my-feelings-for-girls baby bi to be on tumblr during the time when every popular straight ship was healthy and sweet and every popular wlw ship was abusive and toxic.

i envy the gen z kids who grew up with avatrice and calliette and lumity. or even older gen z kids who grew up with korrasami and catadora. they got wlw ships that were not only canon but warm and sweet and based on genuine affection.

when i was a little baby bi on tumblr, the big sapphic ships were swan queen (regina was canonically a rapist and her most consistent character trait was torturing people who tried to help her) and emison (allison spent years bullying emily for her sexuality and only stopped when she decided she wanted to fuck her).

these are the ships that tumblr tried to sell me as high sapphic romance.

hetero couples were given grand love stories and confirmed soulmates. gay couples were rarely canon, but fanon told the story of star-crossed lovers, destined to be apart yet deeply embedded in each other's souls.

and the lesbian romances were... women yelling at each other and gaslighting each other as an audience of mainly grown women insisted one character's abuse would just go away if they were given the green light to fuck the other into submission.

as a teenager, i was just starting to understand that i liked girls. but i didn't want the kind of relationship that was being romanticized. i didn't want a girl to hate me but also want to sleep with me. i didn't want her to hurt me and then maybe feel a little sorry afterwards, but then do it again.

i wanted the grand love story i saw for straight couples. i wanted fairytales and friendship and devotion and affection. i wanted women who healed together, women who protected each other, women who built lives together.

that isn't what i saw in fandom, though. so i thought that maybe wlw relationships were just... like that. maybe they were mainly physical, always tumultuous, never soft. if i didn't want that, i probably didn't want to be with a girl. i buried the feelings deep.

also, the amount of swan queen shippers that called me an evil straight person for not liking the ship probably didn't help that particular journey of self-discovery.

i wish i could go back and tell baby me that the sapphic love stories i wanted exist and they are beautiful and canon and beloved. a couple of them are even written by me.

i guess i'm just feeling reflective. and i've never seen anyone share this kind of experience, so i figured... why not? someone will get it.

#this post will not go over well but i've been wanting to put some thoughts into words #sapphic #wlw #tumblr #tumblr culture #tumblr meta #fandom #warrior nun #first kill #the owl house #the legend of korra #she ra #anti swan queen #anti emison #using anti tags make me feel like i'm back on 2015 tumblr lol #also i'm making myself sound old i'm 23 #i'm not ancient yet #long post

[couragehopelovefaith]

Every time I see Emma telling Regina off in 5x02 it brings me a great amount of joy and satisfaction for the next week or so. It's sad that she doesn't really do so after that (I think?), even if it had been completely justified.

#emma swan #so happy seeing her spilling the facts #anti regina mills #anti swan queen #once upon a time

[greenleaf777]

Just today I have seen several people characterize Elain as STUPID and just a girl that doesn’t know what she wants.

The misogyny is great in the gwynriel/elucien circles.

She is a grown ass woman who can decide for herself who and what she wants. They talk about the inner circle babying and infantilizing her and they do the same damn thing. The whole point of Elain’s character is that she wants the choice, she wants to be taken seriously.

It blows my mind that someone can ship two characters together so fiercely and HATE one of the two, usually the woman. Why don’t you just not ship it?????

I saw that sooo much in the ouat fandom with swan queen where most shippers hated Emma. HATED. Got some good reminders of their delusion today.

If you hate Elain you’re not actually an Elucien shipper just FYI

#elriel #elain archeron #elain x azriel #azriel x elain #anti gwynriel #anti misogyny #anti elucien #anti swan queen

[ouatsnark]

Regina was helping, Killian was abusing 5x08. DEBUNKED

What grinds my gears about Regina Apologist's rewriting this scene is that they completely gloss over Regina's actions. Believe what you want about Emma's hidden desires but it is not okay to pretend Regina was doing right here.

“Would Emma have confessed to Regina if she hadn’t been stopped?”

Emma wasn’t going to CONFESS anything to Regina. Period. However, Regina was FORCING Emma to reveal personal information Emma was not willing to disclose to her.

Using the word “confess” in this scene glosses over Regina’s abusive actions. Regina was quite literally controlling Emma.

“Regina would never cross the line. She'd give Emma make a choice”

Um excuse me? Regina was crossing the line. The only reason she didn’t get her way was because Killian Jones stopped her.

Killian Jones was the one unwilling to cross the line. He was the only one unwilling to FORCE Emma to do something against her will. Regina was all for forcing Emma!

Regina even tells Snow that it’s not her fault it’s painful. Regina admits to using torture tactics on Emma. Regina knew she was hurting Emma but in her quest to be the savior she didn’t care.

Only Killian Jones respected Emma’s agency.

“Killian was pressuring Emma. Emma told Killian not to follow but he did anyway”

I have had Regina apologists come at me and claim that what Regina was doing was helping Emma but Killian following her was actually abusive…

First off, Emma telling Killian “no” literally did not happen. However, Emma telling Regina “no” and Regina not listening totally did happen. I think we call this projection… you can ship your abusive crack ship but at some point you need to stop making up crap when in a discussion. Save your fanon for your own in-fandom properly tagged discussions.

Cause really rewriting canon to fit your fanon is dishonest. Its gaslighting. It gives new viewers or potential viewers false information about the show.

Back to reality: Killian Jones followed Emma, yes. But he talked to her. He didn't use force. And Emma willingly opened up to him. As we see in Season 6, Emma doesn't open up until she is ready. But when she does open up? It's almost always exclusively to Killian Jones. Or a bar tender when Killian has been pushed through a portal.

"Emma was fearful about a future with Kilian because he is abusive! She wanted Regina!"

That is not what Emma said. Emma has lost everyone she's ever cared for. She is scared of the future, period, because she is scared of losing it. She is no stranger to loss.

What other episodes have you seen people try to rewrite to fit their narrative of the show?

Let me know!

#ouat fandom hypocrisy #what the hell did that regina apologist just say #anti swan queen #anti regina mills #cs hate debunked

[hitchell-mope]

Phrases I think [tumblr] needs to learn.

They are. Temporal context. Periphery demographic. Queerbaiting. Collateral damage. Three of which a lot of people use incorrectly to their advantage. And another that I’m 90% sure they’re ignorant about the actual meaning of. So for the purposes of this post I’ll be listing them along with the meanings and some examples. Like so:

Temporal context. Understanding that when a show, film or book is made and/or set more often than not influences its contents. For example. Stranger things. Friends. Harry Potter. Original star trek. Classic doctor who. You cannot and should not approach these with a 2022 mindset because things made and set twenty or a hundred or hell even five years ago are never going to match the current morality system you’ve cultivated through social media. Either continue being mad that a show set in Reagan’s America hasn’t said the words gay or lesbian to describe its two lgbt characters yet or acknowledge they’re doing a helluva lot more than an actual show from the eighties would’ve done, move on and enjoy what they’ve done so far. Trust me. You’ll be so much better off if you do

Periphery demographic. Why we aren’t getting actual canonical lgbt characters in mainstream Disney movies while the current old guard are still around. It’s all very well and good to go on about how “don’t they know what I would’ve done for representation as a kid?” But they don’t. Because they don’t care about the Tumblr demographic. They care about entertaining the five year olds and the parents with the money to spend on the film who might not want to take the kids to see it if there’s anything they might find objectionable in it. And sadly. Quite a few believe that lgbt content kids films is poisonous to their precious offspring. It’s a truly, truly, horribly shitty belief system. But still. It’s the ugly truth.

Queerbaiting. I’ve heard of it. I’ve never seen it. And all the pairings I’ve seen labelled as it. Ain’t it. Destiel. Supercorp. Swan queen. Byler. Johnlock. That’s not queerbaiting. That’s fans latching on to something that isn’t there and going ballistic and quite frankly terrifyingly entitled when it doesn’t happen. Just because you think a character that’s only ever been interested in the opposite gender is secretly gay and in love with your obsession doesn’t make them gay or make you right. No matter how much meta, fanfic or gifsets you make and consume. Clothes, eating habits, hair and way of speaking doesn’t make someone gay. Do you know what does? Actually being homosexual. Which Dean, Kara, Emma, Mike and John are not. Headcanons are fine. But if you have to change every single little thing about a character to enjoy the show. Then you shouldn’t be watching said show.

Collateral damage. Audrey Rose in descendants. Lindsey Lister in Gilmore Girls. Side characters (Lindsey) or antagonists (Audrey) that exist to be a background character in the main characters story. Unfortunately. Many fans latch onto these characters are bleat about how they deserved better. When they didn’t. Especially in Audrey’s case. Lindsey existed purely to show that Dean Forester, that poor poor mistreated boy, wasn’t over Rory. Audrey existed as the stereotypical bitch that the boy leaves for the better option. And when they tried to give her depth. Her still didn’t get wet. I hate Audrey. Always have. Always will. And I don’t care about Lindsey. But they served their purpose. And fans should leave it at that.

So there you go. Four phrases that [tumblr] should learn. If you do. Then you might wind up being ever so slightly calmer than you were before.

#temporal context #periphery demographic #collateral damage #supernatural #anti destiel #arrowverse #supergirl #anti supercorp #once upon a time #anti swan queen #stranger things #anti byler #sherlock bbc #anti johnlock

[taylorkellyreporting]

tired of SQers blaming homophobia for their ship not happening and not the facts that 1. jmo hates lana and 2. regina is emma’s step-grandmother who tried killing her multiple times - including when she was a new born baby. 3. regina’s a rapist and 4. jmo literally left the show where she was a main character just to get away from lana and they seriously think it was gonna go canon? i need them to be reasonable.

#if you wanna talk about homophobia in ouat sleeping warrior is right there #anti swan queen #anti swanqueen #anti regina mills #anti lana parilla

[saveme-storybrooke-potc]

I'm sorry but would it not be queerbaiting if an actor is promising a bunch of fans that they'll convince the writers that their mlm/wlw (headcanon, most the characters are straight) will be canon? or even making merch of it to sell?

#just asking #anti swan queen #anti destiel #anti wenclair #no not all of these actors queerbaited #if you know you know #anti head cannons #anti supercorp #anti lana parilla

[dealingdreams]

Not to rant about ouat in the year 2022 but Like...sometimes Im like I know we watched the same show but did we actually watch the same show...

That's literally how I feel anytime someone makes fluffy posts about Emma and Regina...like did they have their moments occasionally sure but overall Regina treated Emma like shit. Constantly blaming her for shit Regina is actually to blame for...in fact the majority of what Emma has gone thru is because Regina held a grudge against a fucking 10 year old (or however old snow was I can remember)

#anti swan queen

[sebastienlelivre]

Your tag about swanqueen just sent me into orbit. Thank you. XD

Sometimes that pairing crosses my dash (usually in a tag I follow) and I just sit and marvel at it for a moment. There’s just more interesting pairings for both involved parties. Captain Swan has the bad-guy-turned-good-guy pairing covered for Emma, and there’s any number of Regina/People she screwed over for her. Regina/Jefferson is my pick, but there really is a variety.

#pirateherokillian #anti swan queen

[skyefullofdaisies]

Blocked by yet another Swan Queen editor on Tik Tok who was mad that I wouldn’t agree with her that Emma looked “jealous” of Robin when he touched Regina in a scene. She, or he, also insisted that Regina was a confirmed bi-sexual because Twitter said so but wouldn’t give me a source beyond just Twitter. The show has been over for years and they’re still so salty that they didn’t get the endgame they swore would happen any minute for 7 years 🤣 Give it up ya’ll. Emma is married to her canon true love with a whole ass new baby and everything.

#anti swan queen #emma swan

[katian13]

Поговорим о токсичности Эммы к Генри. Самое первое, это то, что она, зная, как ужасно быть сиротой, как ужасно быть в приюте и не знать ничего о своей биологической семье, отказывается от него. Я не говорю, что Эмма должна была растить Генри в жуке, а об аборте – это бы показало, что она действительно переживала за ребёнка. Ведь кто знает, если бы ему не повезло, и его не усыновил бы никто, или неблагополучная семья? Ему досталась Реджина – и вот этот ход по-прежнему отвратителен всем, кроме любви Реджины к Генри. Тем, что Генри – это повод Эммы для встреч с Реджиной, тем, что тут без лжи было никак – ну бля, просто представьте, что Реджина напрямик сказала Генри, что такое Сторибрук и кто его жители – и случайно такой разговор всплыл в школе или ещё где – тут либо посмеются над ребёнком и забудут о сказках, либо беседы с психологом назначил учитель, и от Арчи ему было бы и так и так не отвертеться, только Реджина эти походы сумела отсрочить, а Снежка, наоборот, подарив ему Книгу Сказок, тем сам��м, настроив его против матери. Тем, что Реджине, из-за того, что она – мэр, да ещё и одинока – ну никак не дали бы его усыновить. Генри впервые видит мать, родную мать. Опустим то, что он практически шантажом вынудил её ехать в Сторибрук. А вот то, что Эмма, узнав, что перед ней – её сын, просто была в ахуе. То есть, жалость к нему, ведь он испытал то же, что и она – нет, слёз тоже нет. И Реджина ей всё предъявляет по факту: столько лет она жила без Генри, и не беспокоилась о нём, пока Реджина была ему матерью. И мать, и сын, вообще-то, прекрасно понимают, что Генри для Эммы лишь повод, а не причина остаться в Сторибруке. Также токсичность Эммы проявилась в первом сезоне, опять же, Снежка говорит Эмме правду-матку о Генри – он просто ищет кого-то родного, чтобы понять, почему его бросили, и Эмма, опять же, не чувствует своей вины перед ним. Когда он рядом и всё твердит о спасителе, Эмме опять же, по боку, словно он кто-то посторонний. Однажды Генри сознался, что ему кажется, что Реджина не любит его, и вместо того, чтобы поддержать сына, сказать, что мать его любит, она говорит это «тебе ещё повезло, потому что мои родители даже не удосужились меня хотя бы до больницы донести». Генри хоть и манипулятор, что вертит обеими матерями, как ему вздумается, но всё же, разве эту боль Эмма не должна была чувствовать, как свою, понять эту боль?

Эмма стала чуть менее токсично относится к Генри, когда выяснилось, что Нил не бросал её и уж тем более, не сдавал полицейским. Вот только, всё же это было из-за самого Нила. Я имею в виду, что она смягчилась только из-за того, кого всегда любила, и узнала, что он тоже всегда её любил, а н из-за любви к Генри. Вообще, Эмма относится к Генри с точки зрения отца, а не матери. И да, такое бывает, женщина может не полюбить своего ребёнка, по разным причинам, но она это знала, и всё равно прикрывалась Генри, как поводом остаться в Сторибруке и сближаться с Реджиной. Тогда она начала уделять ему больше времени, подарок от Реджины, где Эмма растила его изначально, также был для Эммы шагом ближе для сына – она начала хоть понемногу интересоваться его жизнью. В шестом сезоне отыскала где-то в Сторибруке сплав на байдарках (серьёзно, где, разве там был такой водоём, который бы был для этого пригоден?), что обычно делает, опять же, отец, а не мать, а после извинилась за скорое появление второго ребёнка, что вроде бы, говорит о том, что хотя бы эту свою боль она совместила с тем, что и Генри может это почувствовать.

Просто, фраза Валета о том, что лучший способ сблизиться с девушкой – это наладить контакт с её ребёнком, работает не только в сторону Крюка и Генри, но и Эммы с Генри – ведь так она сможет заинтересовать Реджину. Что-то вроде «может, у нас и ничего общего, но я тоже люблю нашего сына». Но она очень часто себя выдавала. Например, на кладбище, у могилы её отца, она сказала «Генри сам нашёл меня, шериф – тоже. Оба от вас сбежали, и оба несчастны». Эмма говорила это с таким самодовольством, ни капли жалости ни к охотнику, ни к сыну у неё не было – ей просто льстило, что такой шикарной женщине, как Реджине, эти двое предпочли её, как ту, кто может им помочь.

#once upon a time #ouat #operationOUT #anti-swanqueen #anti swan queen #emma swan #swan queen #anti captain swan #anti-capitainswan

[withgirl-sq]

Currently thinking how badly I want to watch a version of OUAT without Hook in it :'(

#ouat #once upon a time #anti Hook #Anti captain swan #Swanqueen #swan queen #swen

[malefistache]

Patiently waiting for OUAT's remake with the proper ending: Swan-Mills family.

Swan Queen is the truest love.

At least they never made them share True Love's kiss with the beards. And don't forget that heart split fail 😂 Like, their "straight" relationships got canon, yeah, but never got the TL label while all others did. Hehe! 😝 Divorce is a thing in modern days. You make mistakes and you fix'em

#ouat #swan queen #sq humor #anti hook #anti hood

[oautincorrectquotes]

Regina: i’m actually deeply in love with Emma and we’ve been dating for a couple months now, we even have pet names.

Zelena: why are you telling me this?!

Regina: because no one will ever believe you.

#incorrect quotes #regina mills #emma swan #emma x regina #regina x emma #swan queen #anti captain swan #mills x swan #ouat #ouat fandom #once upon a time #ouat incorrect quotes #ouat humor #incorrect ouat quotes #ouat headcanon #the evil queen #the saviour #ouat characters #ouat crack #ouat headers #ouat headcanons #emma swan headcanons #regina mills headcanons #miss swan #swan queen incorrect quotes #zelena mills #zelena ouat #wicked witch #the wicked witch of the west #wicked always wins

[ouatsqincorrect]

sometimes i find out someone who’s super anti swan queen follows me and i’m just like…how did you get here

#listen you don’t have to ship swan queen to follow me #in fact its totally cool if you follow and block their tag so you just see things that aren’t them related #i don’t care #this is tumblr #do what you want #but if you’re actively posting anti swan queen stuff?? #why would you *want* to interact with my blog??? #if you hate swan queen and those of us who ship them soooo much #then??? #not incorrect quotes