#problematic ship tw

[daisy-mooon]

carol/yon-rogg… thoughts? (i’m so sorry in advance)

The way I was literally just vagueposting about them on Discord 😭 the TIMING

I've read nearly every Captain Marvel fic on Ao3, Yonvers included, and I have a lot of thoughts

Gonna start this out by saying I hope this ship never becomes canon endgame

Complicated exes

Carol would not go back to him.

She would definitely have regrets and grief, but she would not go back to him. It would he impossible for her to feel safe around him.

She could maybe be a coworker or ally if she's feeling exceptionally generous and the universe would collapse otherwise, but a proper relationship is out of the window.

Yon-Rogg projected onto her a lot. She was an amnesiac clean slate. In the deleted scene, the person he most admired was himself - what if he started admiring himself after he rescued Carol? Viewing himself as a saviour too her?

Yon-Rogg would never see the Supreme Intelligence as Carol. He's a Kree supremacist, and he knows that Carol is human. He can't ever treat her as a full equal.

The Supreme Intelligence would demote him, but I doubt it would give Yon-Rogg any consequences that actually measured up too his actions.

They definitely hate each other after.

They would both beat the shit out of each other if given the chance.

They've definitely been in a relationship and they've definitely slept together.

Carol wouldn't tell Maria everything about Yon-Rogg at first because of the guilt of having a relationship but eventually would spill the beans during the blip. It would be very hard for her to do.

Yon-Rogg would 100% be jealous over Prince Yan. Meanwhile Prince Yan would obviously care, but he'd he incredibly cold and dismissive towards him. He knows him only as the guy that destroyed Carol's life. He's not deserving of his time.

Valkyrie definitely knows about him. Again, like Yan, she doesn't think he's deserving of her time. But she wouldn't hesitate at stabbing him if he came to it.

The Kree have a kinda poly culture so what I'm saying is that Carol was sleeping with Yon-Rogg and Dar-Benn at the same time and they hated each other a lot

Carol's relationship with Dar-Benn is awful but a lot healthier in the sense that Dar-Benn had zero idea about Carol's origins.

I can definitely see Dar-Benn learning about Carol's origins after she becomes Supremor and being shocked, but deciding not to do anything to punish Yon-Rogg. Again, Kree supremacy. Any good will she has for Carol goes out the window the moment she realises she's human.

The shared blood thing... poor Carol.

I NEED people to talk about the fact that Carol literally DIED and Yon-Rogg resurrected her like??? This is how you know the MCU has gone to shit because any good writer would milk the fuck outta this

Carol's fine with blood UNTIL it is blue. Blue blood makes her incredibly squeamish.

She has a Thing against blood needles and transfusions that she refuses to explain.

Yon-Rogg would never call her Carol. Mostly Vers, maybe Captain or Danvers, but never Carol. It would mean that he accepts her as a separate person.

Very bitter over her leaving - "why isn't she grateful for all I did for her?"

Yeah the Supreme Intelligence treated him wrong... but that does not mean Carol should forgive him in anyway

I know some Yonvers fans will kill me but it's an emotionally/psychologically abusive relationship.

She literally does not have access too basic medical information about her species???

Are we gonna talk about the fact that all of this time hes wittering about fair fights Carol physically can't beat him in a fair fight because Kree are stronger than humans? And that she isn't allowed to know that she's human? So she's being gaslit into thinking her failures are her fault when they're not?

I honestly also think its important that not everything should be romantic. They aren't romantic in canon and he still abused her. It's not always a partner or family member that can abuse you - it can be anyone.

I would write more but it's 1am so im wrapping it up. Anyways, final thoughts: a very interesting and deeply unhealthy dynamic that adds a lot to Carol's character but as an endgame ship would detract from her character arc. Anyways im tired af gn squad

#b4 anyone complains no i dont think this ship is healthy and yes im aware of how messed up it is read the last paragraph again #i know ppl can read but i know tumblr can NOT read so just in case #captain marvel #carol danvers #yon-rogg #yonvers #mcu #marvel #marvel cinematic universe #captain marvel (2019) #shipping #problematic ships #carol danvers x yon-rogg #headcanons #ig? #problematic ship tw #abusive relationship tw #abuse discussion #abuse mention #abuse tw

[vagrantcallisto]

"This fanfic is disgusting!"

Bitch, nobody Clockwork Orange'd you into reading it.

#THE TAGS ARE RIGHT THERE #archive of our own #pro-fiction #problematic fanfiction #pro-kink #purity culture #pro-ship #proship please interact #anti anti #antis dni #a clockwork orange #I love ao3 #anti harassment #tw: torture

[onceupona-crossover]

Mordecai Heller from Lackadaisy x Alastor from Hazbin Hotel mood board with a killer/murderous lovers vibe

Requested by:anon

-Mod rapunzel

#edit #request #moodboard #mod rapunzel #crossover #crossover ship #non/disney #lackadaisy #Hazbin hotel #Alastor #alastor hazbin hotel #mordecai heller #Alastor x mordecai Heller #Blood cw #guns tw #Knife tw #Problematic ship #moodboard request #ask to tag

[blood-orange-juice]

You are all going to block me but I just realised that I do low-key ship Aether/Lumine.

Hear me out.

It's the plot of so many myths. The best known is, of course, Izanami and Izanagi's story (the whole reason why siblingcest is so popular in Japan. same level of cultural importance as the madonna/whore complex for Christians), but there are also Fu Xi and Nuwa, Sun and Moon gods of the Inuit mythology, a bunch of Greek gods, a bunch of Egyptian gods too iirc.

Old cultures that had god-kings (some dynasties in Egypt and, as we discovered recently, Ancient Ireland) considered marriages between siblings a norm for them specifically and something to be frowned upon or at least unusual for everyone else.

You can't convince me the twins were not god-rulers in some faraway world (they also found it so boring that they don't do it anymore. actually, I'll stand by this headcanon even without shipping them).

Celestial beings that already are one and the same in some sense. Twin stars.

The symbolism just does something to me.

I wish I could say this is not about boring human sex (they are interstellar eldritch beings anyway. merge your photons my funky little sibcons, as Ray says) but nope, I think their interactions can easily take the form of boring human sex too.

(it's just not the main thing they have going on)

I'll show myself out.

P.S. there's also a bonus: all Traveler ships are now threesomes

#my chilumi headcanon now officialy has every single trigger warning under the sun #also I have no moral right to criticize people who ship skirk/childe now #I'm worse #tw: twincest #how do I tag it properly so that people can filter? #every day we stray further from celestia #I'll just tag this ship as dioskouroi from now on #dioskouroi #not that I plan to write a lot about it #*aethers your lumine* #I'm in my problematic ships era #it's funny but any kind of incest is usually my hugest squeak #I'll nope out of it with the speed of light #but I guess it's different with twin gods #look. at least there's no age gap #aelumi #travelercest

[sunnysatori]

this too is yuri

#ask to tag #my ramblings #pro ship #pro fiction #problematic #mlp #shipcest #shipcest tw #shipcest cw

[darehearts]

me @ the s.tar t.rek rpc rn

#no one is allowed to have single ships. no one is allowed to have #affiliates. no one is allowed to have exclusives. hell maybe having #mains is also problematic. how dare anyone not treat this hobby #like it was structured communism. you love everyone equally or #you are problematic and must answer for your crimes immediately #AKJSDKJDFKSJFKJSDF i am sorry but i cant stop laughing lolll #yall realize that the more hate anyone i write with gets we will only #just be a more tightly knit group it has the opposite effect lmfao #tbd #vent tw #rant tw #drama tw

[lildoodlenoodle]

Not the spiderverse art book restarting the dying down Hobie age discourse. With the Japanese version implying he’s a ‘young boy’(I think that’s what it was either way either way) and the book saying ‘he’s much older than miles..’(smth like that either way either way) and it’s like seriously? Again? AGAIN?

The directors said it’s up to interpretation. And the only reason(w/ the exclusion of the people thinking he’s like 30 cause that’s weird and gross, re-examine some racial biases)that people are so adamant he is or isn’t a minor is because of shipping! Whether it’s with one of the spider teens or with OCs or justifying self shipping it’s weird! It’s weird that that’s the reason people are going nuts over this shit and dying on their respective hills. And let people have their HCs holyshit.

And to reiterate: it’s not proshipping/pedoshit if someone HCs Hobie as a teen and ships them with one of the spider teens. It’s not necessarily fetishization and is not pedoshit if people HC him as a young adult and do self ships or whatever else goes on there.

It’s fandom let people fuck around. Something doesn’t have to be justified as morally wrong for you not to like it. Stop trying to force your own Head Canons, key word HEAD as in the canon in your head, onto other people.

Sorry for the rant I just cannot believe it’s still going.

#I’ll say it again #head canons #as in the canon IN YOUR HEAD #ik part of the problem is people are new to fandom spaces/culture and don’t entirely understand HCs #sorry I’m getting so heated but this is like the stupidest shit to see people get stuck on as someone who has been here for awhile #like actually dealing with ACTUALLY problematic ships and this is what y’all think is problematic now??? ITS IN YOUR HEAD BESTIE #like the ghostpunk. punkflower. and chaipunk ships aren’t for me but I do love and appreciate the art! #never rlly been into self inserts either. idk just not my thing tbh #didn’t even rlly know what proshipping was till the Hobie brown stuff #y’all are KILLING ME #it’s funny but it’s also annoying to see it all over my feed #so now we all have to suffer #there isn’t even really a tag for me to filter it out #I’m gonna put some triggers just cause I was less eloquent than I could’ve been lol #tw pedophila mention #age discourse ig

[sleepytownez]

Absolutely fucking done with the TMNT ao3 fandom. (Not even counting the fandom as a WHOLE)

It is so overrun with antis my god. Over half the fics have TCEST dni in full caps.

Is that necessary? No. Not to mention most of them have some pretty shit hateful comments attached to them, just skimming along ao3 rules sometimes tbh.

Like, do they think that someone will just barge in and comment something about a ship that isn't in...the story?

Not to mention that forementioned tag just wrangles to "No Tcest" So honestly the exaggerated version is just plain stupid tbh?

What site do you think you're on?

Sorry for the rant I'm just...so done my god. And I don't even read tcest often.

#proship #turtlecest #tcest #tw rant #rant #problematic ships #idk man #dont want this to breach tag confinment #tw inc*st #god tumblr #honestly this type of content is my least fav but i do make the exception for these turtle ships idk im weird #anti tw #tw anti

[pepplemint]

oh ok well at least that means u wont say “i will k*ll anyone who ships *insert problematic ships in trgun*” and mean it lol

A few days ago I opened twitter and the first thing I saw, top of the page, was cctv footage of a lesbian getting stabbed to death in the middle of a mall as her girlfriend tried her best to drag her out of harms way, her head all but decapitated to in the end from the amount and viciousness of stabs she received. Her girlfriend was also murdered after because she tried to help, the post told. The killer didn't know them, he just saw them in the store and the woman was non-gender conforming. This murder happened this year, less than a week ago.

Just wanna put in perspective how freaking insignificant I find the supposed problematicness of fiction that doesn't reach further than fandom. I would never say something like that, even if your ship made me ill to even imagine. I would draw you a hundred problematic ship drawings if it meant the world felt a little safer and more peaceful to queer people for the moment.

#every ship in trigun is problematic bitch lets get you some fruit 🍑 #tw: murder #tw: graphic violence

[kiwisandpearls]

honestly, I don’t even ship “problematic ships”, but I seriously no longer get people who say stuff like, “that ship is illegal!!” like…ok, and? Like if it’s between fictional characters why do you care if the ship is “illegal”?

#proship safe #proship #proship please interact #proshippers please interact #anti anti #pro fiction #profic #profiction #Also like #fictional ships can’t be “illegal” #they’re fictional #what are you gonna do if someone is shipping an “illegal ship”? #call the police on them? #”officer!! That person was shipping a problematic ship!” #“arrest them please” #Don’t know if I should put a TW for police #but I still will #just in case #tw police

[mcdcat]

#suicide bating tw #question time #proships #problematic ships #anti anti #anti suicide bating

[catboy-syrup]

Ik You're a anti but please stay TF out of our tags

I'm not an anti????? I'm literally one of the most proship people you could meet???? It literally says I'm anti-harrassment/pro-fic in my bio...

What the fuck made you think I was an anti? Is there someone lying/making shit up about me? /genq

#I am very confused is someone lying about me? #i mean my icon is luterally an age gap au for one of my ships #I run several edit and writing blogs where I make mostly problematic content #seriously I am so fucking confused #Is this bait??? am I falling for bait??? /genq #🍥🍁🍡syrup talks🍡🍁🍥 #🍥🍁🍡sir this is a denny's🍡🍁🍥 #proship #proshipping #discourse #tw discourse #ask to tag.

[rilli-luci]

What does Pro/Shipper Mean?

I’m only typing this cause I had to explain to a friend why the label of pro/shipper is so controversial and I like to act on the benefit of the doubt that some people may not be informed so under the cut I’m gonna explain this and why there’s so 

I’m not really gonna debate the morality of it but I am going to just explain the general gist of the term and WHY a lot of people don’t like the word and I hope it helps some people when it comes to fandom labels.

Reblog if you want but please do not come to my inbox or IMs to debate this topic. This is an information post ONLY. Not a discussion one.

Warning before you read, this post will cover Problematic Ships with triggering topics. They are mentioned for the sake of information. But I don’t want to unintentionally trigger anyone.

Going to start with the fact that this word has changed meaning over time. When I first got into tumblr rp and heard this term, it meant a completely different thing than it does now. And I think this is important cause when words change meaning and people just may not know, it can lead to a lot of misunderstandings that could be avoided if people just y’know...communicated. But that’s besides the point.

Pro/shipper at some point USED to mean one who supports a specific ship or shipping in general.

I’m currently very much so still in my Owl House hyperfixation so I will be using ships from this fandom to better explain the point. So if you are a big fan of Goldric (Hunter x Edric) then you were considered a pro/shipper for that ship. The opposite of this would be an Anti-Shipper as you did not like this ship. There was nothing generally wrong with being pro or anti as long as the ship was not problematic. Most of the discourse came from Antis sorta flooding the tags of the ships either due to their pettiness or tumblr’s shitty tagging system.

HOWEVER that is not the case now. Roughly around the 2010s (I like to think it happened somewhere around 2012-2015) the word changed its meaning.

That’s because people who supported what are called Problematic Ships.

These are your ships (with examples) that ignore canon sexualities of one or both parties of a ship (such as Hunter x Amity), are in/cest (Such as Lilith x Eda),have inappropriate age differences (such as any ship regarding a minor and an adult), those that display abusive dynamics ( such as Lilith x Belos ), etc. Ships that generally will make the average fan feel uncomfortable.

Some people who highly enjoyed problematic ships started using the term Pro/Shipper as a way to either defend their ships or justify their reasons as to why they were okay.

At this point the meaning has changed.

Pro/shipper NOW means one who supports a ship or shipping deemed problematic and/or believes in the freedom to create and consume fanworks with such elements.

Now content with toxic or abusive dynamics is more of a gray area, they’ve sorta always existed even before fandom culture became what it is today and it of course isn’t just purely tied to ships (For example, Hunter and Belos have this dynamic but are HOPEFULLY not a ship). Its all dependent on if the person making the content genuinely ships it or is making content for some other purpose that’s far less problematic and its complicated and definitely a case by case basis. But for the previous problematic examples, well there’s really no reason to ship in/cest now is there? Its just pretty gross. 

So when a person says “I’m a pro/shipper” today while there is a good chance they’re very much so meaning the first definition, it may be automatically assumed by others that they mean they are the latter. And for those other people, they may not have the energy or time to invest in meeting this person and learning what they think a pro/shipper is and if they still stand by that label if they know the connotations it presents. Its generally safer to them to just call it a lost and not interact.

So if you read this and  you still think this label is for you, then this is the sort of risk you are taking by taking on this label. Does it suck? Maybe, depending on who you are. But like I said, this post is meant to inform people and I’ve done just that.

Words have power now and days, more than people know. Especially when it comes to labels.  And when words change meaning like this one did, then I feel its important that everyone gets on the same page.

#psa #fandom culture #fandom terminology #tw: incest mention #tw: abuse mention #tw: toxic relationships #tw: proship #tw: abusive dynamics mention #tw: homophobia mention #tw: lesbiphobia mention #tw: problematic ships #I think I tagged everything but if I didn't please tell me

[bowiebond]

Jonathan is asexual and Arygle is pansexual and they like to smoke and give each other lazy kisses while cuddling and watching awfully made romcoms because I said so.

#jargyle #the healthiest ship in the entire show #😂 argyle be the least problematic man in all existence and Jonathan just thanked god that he didn’t have to deal with NDE every week #jonathan byers #argyle #stranger things #stranger things 4 #tw marijuana

[selfindulgentfandomstuff]

I really do feel like this community has gotten very.. hostile lately. Like obviously some of the stuff that’s been coming up as ‘discourse’ is actually important but then there’s like personal call out posts for specific users and I never am sure how to respond to those… I usually just don’t reblog them bc I cant know for sure.

#I just think if you have personal beef with someone you should work it out in private tbh #like. you don’t need to make a callout post everytime someone wrongs you personally #people have fights sometimes #people have fall outs with friends sometimes #it’s okay #it’s normal #what’s not normal is calling for people not even involved in your fight to dogpile one person just bc they pissed you off specifically #sorry it just makes me so anxious and I am constantly monitoring how I speak about my ships lest I get cancelled #I don’t think I have anything particularly problematic going on?? everything is consensual and every one is an adult and no one is related #I just sometimes have some enemies to lovers stuff going on that is heavy on the enemies part in the beginning!! #idk I just don’t want ppl to think bad of me #ik I shouldn’t care but it RUINS me when I know someone is mad at me #vent #vent tw #tw vent

[pienhime]

i think the funniest thing ab this blog suddenly gaining a lot of reblogs is when someone goes on a reblog spree, they have a cute icon so i go look, and the first thing i see is "PROSHIPPERS DNI KILL YOURSELF" like... do people look at the blogs they reblog from? or just expect everyone else to do it for them lol? profic is two places in my pinned post, + this is a landmine girl blog. what makes u think im against "problematic" fiction when my life is fucked up? get a grip and a pair of reading glasses 😭 similar shit has happened three separate times what??? and always on NSO art. if ur against the proship/fic ideas of "just bc u enjoy something in fiction doesnt mean u think its okay irl", why r u so into a game where a girl emotionally and mentally abuses the player??? the math... its not mathing

#my post #tw suibaiting #tw sui #proship means anti harassment over fiction including problematic btw #its not short for problemaric ship #people still misuse it so much that i just use other terms tho #i dont wanna be associated w the bait accts lmao