#tua discussion

[air--so--sweet]

'He was pretty ruthless in our performance reviews.'

'He always gave me five stars.'

What are people's interpretations of this scene because I can't work it out. From what we see Five had a good hold of his powers as a kid so it's feasible that he deserved five stars but I highly doubt the scores Reggie gave the kids were based on what they deserved. Alternate Reggie himself says,'I made you children feel small, confused about your own powers so that I could control you.' So why give Five a good review, especially when he was such an imperious, cocky little shit?

Is it that he was so arrogant he wouldn't have believed a lower score from Reggie and just ignored it and so he gave him five stars to motivate him as he would want to always maintain that level? Was recognising Five's talent a better and more reliable way of ensuring his compliance over trying to break him down? After all, when we see teenage Five get told he can't do something, his response is to, in fact, go and do that very thing.

Or was it more nefarious? Reggie realised Five's arrogance and self assuredness meant he could never control him in the same way he could the others and therefore believed him a liability. He couldn't do to him as he had to Viktor because Five and his siblings were all old enough to remember his powers and also having debuted those in the outside world knew about Five too. So instead, he decided to play into Five's arrogance, told him he was brilliant until he wanted to try time travel, and then firmly told him no, that he wasn't good enough. Because he wasn't wrong that time travel was dangerous but it would be a useful power for one of the Umbrellas to have, he could have started Five small, as he tells Five in the '60s, a lot can change in a matter of seconds. So could it be that he knew a denial would lead to Five choosing to attempt to prove him wrong and, as a result get lost in the future? Maybe he didn't know about him getting lost in the apocalypse but he knew Five's powers were volatile enough that he might not be able to get back, meaning trying to control him is no longer a concern for Reggie. Or maybe he thought Five would come back but with difficulty, leading to a loss in confidence, allowing him to make him feel small like the others.

Or maybe it was something else completely? I really can't tell, so would love others thoughts on this.

#the umbrella academy #five hargreeves #reginald hargreeves #tua #tua theory #tua discussion #I have been thinking about this line for over a year trying to understand Reginald's motivations

[couldnt-think-of-a-funny-name]

anyway I'm tired of the "viktor is dangerous and has no self control" narrative. once he figured out he had powers he got them under control fairly quickly 😭. the first apocalypse was bc he was forced cold-turkey off a life long tranquilizer and was going through severe withdrawal while also being re-traumatized. the second apocalypse was bc he was strapped down, drugged up to his teeth with hallucinogenics, and electrocuted for what seemed to be an extended period of time. season 3 is literally the FIRST time we see him fully sober and aware of his powers and what happens? he's heartbroken and stressed, and then his sister murders his son and tells him he deserved being locked up in his childhood torture chamber. and does he explode and cause another apocalypse over that? no, he leaves the room and takes a minute to cool off. doesn't even burst a light bulb or anything! that's INCREDIBLE self control if you ask me. Mr. Five "I'll kill you myself" Hargreeves this post is directed @ you

#viktor hargreeves #tua #umbrella academy #five hargreeves #molly mumbles #insane to me that the show was like '5 & 7 were childhood best friends but we're #never gonna discuss that and make 90% of their interactions hostile for No Reason'

[big-ball-o-twine]

(original) Ben’s reaction to time travel is so endearing to me. The fact that he was like, wow. That was exhilarating. It’s the closest anyone gets to understanding what Five felt at thirteen, I think.

#tua musings #the umbrella academy #tua #ben hargreeves #number five #tua five #five hargreeves #the siblings tend to view time travel as #a very negative thing tbh #they are rarely in a position to recognize #the ways it has saved them #but they do fully understand the ways it #has screwed them over #so it is more often discussed as #this thing that causes problems #this thing that ruins things #it’s blamed as the reason they are in this #mess to begin with! #and Five gets a lot of flack #both from his siblings and internally #because time travel is what trapped him #he’s lost a lot of that excitement #I think that’s why I find #Ben’s reaction so charming #here’s someone who recognizes what an #amazing and absurd feat this is #it’d be nice if Five could talk to someone #like that that views Five’s abilities as a #incredible thing #(someone other than Reginald 🥲)

[taiturner]

Sorry I'm not a stoned undergrad sitting in freshman philosophy!

#luther hargreeves #klaus hargreeves #tuaedit #the umbrella academy #tua #theumbrellacademyedit #brellygifs #dailynetflix #tua spoilers #tua s3 spoilers #tuas3 #* #tua310 #normal brother things to discuss while dead

[yuenity]

I put Abed Nadir, Klaus Hargreeves, and Marvin from falsettos in a room on character ai, and they discussed the ethics of honesty vs. kindness and the societal pressures to be perfect, all within the context of the term “streets ahead/behind”… idk what I was expecting but it definitely wasn’t that

#a pleasant surprise #this shit is so fun #I was expecting a bit of chaos #but these bitches are discussing ethics and the human experience #should’ve put chidi anagonye #… maybe I’ll do that #nbc community #the umbrella academy #tua #falsettos #the marvin trilogy #abed nadir #klaus hargreeves #marvin falsettos #character ai

[a-heart-of-kyber]

Interesting that Klaus is once again in yellow on the poster.

Yes it's "gold", but gold is yellow. Outside of his last time in the Void, wherein he'd accepted death when he was with Luther, he was wearing yellow both of the other times we saw him there.

Yellow also symbolizes Hope.

#hmmmm #klaus hargreeves #I've discussed klaus and yellow a bit before #tua #the umbrella academy

[milfygerard]

there was a weird phase for awhile on this site where everyone pretended that gerard was like a shitty mid tier comic writer and like. You guys dont read enough comics. you dont know what bad comics look like.

#barry.txt #of course im wildly generalizing people are allowed to not like gerards comics #but some of it felt like grandstanding and it completely drowned out and kind of killed any interest ppl had in actually discussing them #either as art connected to mcr or totally seperately #and then that fucking show happened. #like the opposite of the doom patrol adaptation. Dragged down every character and fandomized them #so the fandom didnt have to try and do it themselves #stripped it of its satire and creativity. I liked s2 well enough but it bungled the dallas arc and it sounds like #s3 was even worse. which is INSANE bc hotel oblivion is some of gerards best work in comics #bc like. tua is a comic fans comic. in tone and structure and art. Like i enjoy it way more now that ive put a lot of #time into learning and reading more classic AND contemporary comics. Now i see what gerard is pulling from #what hes mocking or homaging. The kirby-esque coloring in hotobv when spaceboy and diego are in the Not Starship Enterprise #augh #anyway i have more to say but i need to check out a book and go groccery shoppjng ive been loitering in the library for like an hour #which is so funny bc i didnt even get to my actual point which is some of you havent read a lot of bad or mediocre comics #you didnt read the kupperburg doom patrol run before grant took over. ive seen things

[wifeguy-luther]

i think that’s the thing that gets me is like. season two and season three were not bad tv. like yeah personally i had some gripes with the dialogue and the effects or whatever, but they were absolutely fun tv

but like. i didn’t just want tv out of seasons two and three, i wanted a faithful continuation of the story and characters and themes of season one. and i do think that on that level, season two but especially season three are a fundamental failure in that respect

#the umbrella academy #tua #tua criticism #i totally understand that people love the later seasons and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that #for me there’s just this weird kind of disappointment to be so let down after s1 #to experience so much of what i loved about the show just disappear #UGH ok there i said it #i haven’t been super active here lately because i haven’t wanted to be too negative about something we’re here to enjoy #anyway i’m curious to hear what other people think if you’d like to discuss #even if you disagree!

[bluecookiedisaster]

WARNING: Spoilers for season 3

No one:

Sir Reginald Fucking Hargreeves: *leaves Klaus to die in the mausoleum for an experiment*

The fandom: *grabs battle gear*

#what the fuck reginald #you dumb motherfucker #burn in hell #so what i'm getting is that #looped up reggie = good dad #regular reggie = bad dad #but godDAMN this is a good season #also what the fuck stan #good thinking on the acid though #klaus would be proud #tua season 3 #tua #reginald hargreeves #klaus hargreeves #number four #tua s3 #the umbrella academy #also what the hell happened to Five's arm #we need to discuss this #beanbag chair thoughts

[hey-there-benerino]

So. Thonks have been thonked.

At the end of the last episode of S3 we clearly see that Sir Reginald has gone big in the new timeline, and owns at least a building with his name on it. Hargreeves Financial, it reads.

Now. What if Sparrow Ben, who's always looked for his father's acceptance and has struggled with the idea of bot being good enough for his whole life has eventually ended up becoming an employer for the Hargreeves enterprise?

Assuming that we decide to roll with the idea the last scene of Ben riding a subway to Yeouido, Seoul's main finance and investment banking district, makes much more sense if we consider that the Hargreeves Financial could very much have a office in Seoul.

Has Benerino officially turned into a pawn to Reginald's game? Maybe.

Am I crying about it? Definitely.

#the umbrella academy #ben hargreeves #justin h min #tua season three spoilers #tua spoilers #this is making me so mad #but also so excited #im really interested in what ben's journey will be #benerino #i love you so much but like #ughhhh #this is just a theory tho #let me know what you think #I'd be happy to discuss it #!!

[pftones3482]

In the same way you wouldn't deadname Elliot Page, you also shouldn't be deadnaming Viktor Hargreeves. When you refer to him in seasons one and two, use the proper name and pronouns. There's nothing that can be done to fix the female name/pronouns in the actual show, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't use the proper ones in our current conversations.

#seen a lot of people using viktors deadname now to refer to seasons one and two and only switching when they talk about season three #and thats not okay #i know its just a character but what kind of message does that send to the trans people watching this show? #tua #the umbrella academy #by deadnaming viktor when discussing past seasons you are basically telling ppl you will always think of their deadname- #when you think of them pretransition

[merrilark]

I saw someone tease that Jennifer from the Jennifer Incident could be the Handler because Kate once joked in a season 2 interview that the Handler’s real name was Jenny. And I laughed with them, but then I started thinking about it, and actually...? I think that theory could potentially hold water, cracky as it sounds on the surface.

My train of thought here is that founder!Five and the Commission wanted the apocalypse to happen, right? So what if they sent a younger Handler to somehow split up the Umbrella Academy, which would keep the Umbrellas from Reginald, and stop him from recreating the universe?

Maybe the plan was to simply ensure that one of the Umbrellas leaves the Academy so that Reg can’t have all seven of them to power the machine, but there was an accident, or maybe the plan was to dispose of the family’s linchpin and, unfortunately, to kill Ben all along. It doesn’t really matter because the result was meant to be the same: The Jennifer Incident happens, The Academy splits, the world ends, and Reginald is never able to recreate the universe.

I think my biggest issue with this theory is that I don’t know what to think of Five in any timeline being okay with the Commission killing one of his siblings, but, again, perhaps that was an accident, or perhaps Five decided that it wouldn’t matter because they’d be caught in a time loop anyway (???) and it’s the lesser of the two evils when considering what Reginald will do if he succeeds. But something about the idea of the Handler connecting back to Ben, the Umbrellas, and the whole Jennifer Incident really puts a wrinkle in my brain. And I kind of love it? I think?

(Or maybe I just really want to see Kate Walsh again. Who’s to say.)

#someone please discuss this with me. i can't sleep and now this is rattling in my brain. #the umbrella academy #tua #the handler #the jennifer incident #ben hargreeves

[feralnumberfive]

So you condone Alison's SA of Luther? Because your poor bby girl was grieving? FUCK OFF YOU RAPE APOLOGIST BITCH. A traumatised rapist is still a rapist. Or do you want those to go free too? REPORTED.

Of course I fucking don't you nut head 😭 I literally gave a warning to the fandom about this? I clarified how uncomfortable it made me. What Allison did to him was not okay at all, it was absolutely disgusting. She violated him because she was upset, which is awful. And this is all besides Luther being her brother, even if it was with another person it doesn't make it okay at all. Being SA anywhere whether it's fictional or in reality is absolutely awful and never ever okay or justifiable. Being raped anywhere whether it's fictional or in reality is absolutely awful and never ever okay or justifiable.

Also who did you report me to, I wanna know if it was the FBI or just Tumblr? 👀

#And anon you don't know everyone's lives we're just people on the internet here. I had a close friend get raped two years ago #and it was by someone I knew well #I try to stay nice but fuck you for assuming #and again you don't even know because I discussed this in private with someone on here through dms too #and when people in the fandom stand by Allison and her justifiable anger we are excluding her SA/r*pe attempt IT'S NOT FUCKING OKAY #I guess I haven't clarified enough how uncomfortable that scene made me and how Allison was 100% in the wrong there #and anon I know you're seething with anger because of the name calling & capital letters & and saying you reported me (which I doubt) #I get your anger towards people like this but I'm not one of them you asshole. I haven't even really touched on Allison but I did make it- #clear that that made me really uncomfortable so maybe you should do some critical thinking and read more before you try- #to come after me lol #tua ask #anon #tw r*pe mention #tw sa mention

[thedarklinkfell]

I really wish they talked about Klaus and Five’s PTSD flashbacks more in season 2/3. Like in season one we saw them having trouble with it roughly every episode and it’s not really been mentioned much since

Like s1&2 were really really focused on trauma and the recovery from it so I hope they kind of go back to talk about it more soon

#the umbrella academy spoilers #tua spoilers #this isn’t a criticism of s3 but I would just like to see the discussion #I want them to talk like they do in s1

[thehargreevesfam]

Hi, first of thank you for talking time to answer my questions, I really appreciate it!! You answered them really well!

These are mainly just ideas I thought about after the show, I agree with your points too! I think next season will be very exciting to explore if properly executed. TUA has possibilities of having really good discussion points and I feel like you’re one of the people I can go to for this.

As for the memory thing, it’s a bit of a theme/minor occurrence in sci-fi shows that if the main character time travels to the past and majorly change something then return to the present being vastly different, they will slowly gain another set of memories from the new timeline. We didn’t see it in s3 because they never had an alternate life, so I thought it might be possible for it to happen for s4, but I’m not confident in it.

Once again thank you for indulging me in this discussion! Apologies if this is super long.

Heyyy!! No problem, thanks for sending it!! You raised a lot of interesting points!!

Ooo that’s interesting, that makes sense…I think I’ve heard of it before. Maybe resetting the universe means it’s a completely different, new one, so the hargreeves wouldn’t have any new memories because they haven’t lived in this world yet…?

#also wow I’m glad you feel like you can discuss something with me 🥺 #feel free to shoot me a dm if you want!! I love talking about the show as well and you’ve brought up a lot of interesting points #asks #twitwi289 #tua s3 spoilers #the umbrella academy

[lockedinthelabyrinth]

Because I haven’t seen anyone talk about this: Given that the two people who influenced the new reality are Reginald (who couldn’t give a shit) and Allison, it’s incredibly likely that some of the positive changes we’ve seen like Luther being alive and having a human body as well as their Ben potentially being back again, also alive, are her input on the new world. I’ve also seen people speculate on whether or not Allison is in the same reality as everyone else or if she’s still in the hotel/another reality and given that Reggie arrive in the same place as everyone else and his dead lover was with him, my bet would be that Allison is in the same reality as the rest of them and changed the universe when she rewrote it so that Ray and Claire were alive and with her.

#tua #The Umbrella Academy #tua season 3 spoilers #Allison Hargreeves #I do 100% understand that people are upset about her this season but I'd really love for the discussion to have a bit more nuance