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thebigqueer · 3 years

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rick wrote drew's character horribly. it was so sexist and stereotypical. like 90% of the asian characters he does are assholes. he did her and the Aphrodite cabin sooo dirty. silena was the "good" one, but she's dead so- Anyways, can you do some "if drew wasnt bad rep" hcs

hey babe you’re fuckin right you’re so smart. i hated the way he portrayed not only drew but like the entirety of the aphrodite cabin in such stereotypical & harmful ways. like no? not every child of aphrodite is going to be “AWWW ROMANTIC LOVE IS THE END GOAL!!!” or all about fashion or whatever. and drew did not deserve that - what was the point??? i mean i guess it shows like this power imbalance but still. he just doesn’t really know how to write women imo

anyway yeah

she actually adores dogs idk i feel like she would

all that anger & meanness that she projected onto her siblings wasn’t really cool and shouldn’t really be excused (and i wish rick hadn’t even made her that way) but i think one of the reasons for her anger was b/c she and silena may have been close and she just feels betrayed so its like her response to trauma ig??

she actually listens to like lana del rey or something (yes ik ldr is kinda problematic but like i think drew would be into the vibes, not the actual artist)

her fav color is purple

i don’t know if this is actually canon or if my brain has just short-circuited but anyway she does hip-hop dance classes and she’s pretty good

i ship drillie so... she’s queer (haven’t decided on sexuality) and dates billie <3 (thanks to @liperbicons for getting me into them aslkfjd)

she actually really likes pegasai

she loves to travel

she’s amazing at photography

i hope you liked those!

#chaotic tag #asks #rr crit #rick riordan #rick riordan crit #drew tanaka headcanon #drew tanaka #riordanverse #riordanverse headcanon

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degenderates · 3 years

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frostmaster

SHIP: Loki/The Grandmaster

TW // discussions of slavery & r*pe

a) do I ship it

It's complicated. Yes. No. It depends on how you define shipping? It's more like: I like fics where there's an unhealthy power imbalance between the two and seeing how it fucks up loki's psyche and calls back past trauma in a non offensive way. The idea of them (loki) having a sugar daddy isnt bad either, but as I'll elaborate on...Loki is the Grandmaster's prisoner. So...its complicated.

b) why i do/why i don’t

There's this moment in TR (which its established that I hate) where the Grandmaster implies he fucks & takes advantage of his "youthful appearance"(?) on Sakaar--later ofc it's confirmed that yes, he does fuck, he has a ship for orgies in fact--then promptly wiggles his eyebrows at loki. And loki looks extremely uncomfortable. Is that because the grandmaster is putting this display in front of thor? Or something more? Watching the film I interpreted it as the fact that loki's distinctly uncomfortable with the relationship, that there's been some consent issues (noncon or at the very least dubcon).

So what am I getting at? Basically, Sakaar is yet another chunk of angst for loki (later that narrative is shit upon via laughs but whatever). I like reading about it but only because I like to feel emotional pain in my fics and I'm a masochist and frostmaster in this au does all of that: assault, trauma, catharsis, hurt/comfort w thor (and sometimes hurt/no comfort). I'd be down to read a non-rapey fic for them too, but it would need to still portray the relationship as unhealthy.

c) what makes it toxic

The grandmaster is a literal slaver. And loki is his slave, whether they call it that or not. So if frostmaster is a thing, loki is a sex slave. I hate r*gnarok, loki doesnt deserve that shit. And that is fine to include in the narrative!!! Completely fine--if it has been done well. Which it wasn't in the canon material. Instead there are "anus" jokes and other dumb shit. The grandmaster is seen too as this funny gay character too...um....he's a slaver...he owns slaves and kills them and apparently fucks them too...

I have no issue with frostmaster shipping in fanon (again, go batshit crazy with your fanfic and aus), but in canon it's so problematic and made me very uncomfortable while watching the movie because there was so much subtext and then it was just...never talked about.

I'm just so annoyed because tumblr (and Jeff goldblum!!) is all like "uwu ragnarok is so gay #frostmaster" (I mean theres valkyrie being bi too but I need to stay on topic), but it's...not that? Even in the fluffiest au, the canon basis is still slave/slaver. In a context where loki has already been abused & manipulated their whole life and enslaved by thanos, too. So like as I always say, ship whatever the hell you want, but don't pretend that this is good almost-canon subtextual gay rep. Its fucking not.

d) what makes it ship-worthy

Ok back to being positive! Frostmaster does have a lot of great moments! For one, there is the whole sugar daddy possibility, and the power dynamics can be sexy in a fanfic (again, not canon...whyyy). Loki is considered a sexual being by most of the fandom and the grandmaster is obviously so as well, so they'd work well as a couple in that regard, especially in a trauma free/modern-no-powers/etc au. In TR there is a hell of a lot of subtext too, which is pretty intriguing, too. And one of the actors actually ships it so there's that 😂

If you got to the end...thank you! I appreciate you coming to my tedtalk. Thank you lovely anon for the ask and I hope I didnt insult/offend or trigger you in any way 😣

Send me a problematic ship and I'll give you my thoughts!!

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bananonbinary · 5 years

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I can very much understand why some davejade shippers might be entitled because dave was initially played as the typical cool guy so due to heteronormativity you expect him to 1) have at least one girl into him, and 2) get the girl he wants in the end, and their interactions had chemistry enough to fuel the flames. Davekat fans being entitled weirds me out more because both characters were initially very no homo and explicitly into girls (1/?)

so most people who shipped davekat did it as blackrom, often even leering into icky yaoi stereotypes and such. Dave and Karkat being soft and caring characters and having a healthy relationship was the big unexpected development of these characters so I have no idea how people got so entitled about it so fast. It’s probably a consequence of everyone trying to play hs as this apex of queer rep, which it honestly is not (2/?)

and there’s also some defensiveness because a canon loving m/m pair like davekat is hard to find and people feel shoving jade there without showing the development was a cheap way of saying “haha yeah they love each other but of course there’s still a girl in the middle”. It’s the kind of problem you ran into when you have only one polyam relationship and only one m/m relationship, it’s gonna have a few flaws rep wise no matter what (3/?)

And to be clear I’m not trying to defend any ship or shipper with this, ship discourse is mostly annoying as hell, I’m just mumbling on what I think is going on, even because I suspect this whole thing was improvised because of the difference between when act 7 storyboards were made and when the last upd8s were made. Act 7 shows no indication of davekat at all and the picnic scene even implies the two being still hatefriends/rivals for Jade’s attention (5/?)

so I think the original plan for the ending was Dave x Jade x Karkat as an het love triangle (gosh it sounds so bad) but Hussie shifted into Davekat/gay singularity mode as he finished writing the act, but by then the animation for act 7 was already under way, because animation takes way more time than panels and writing. So Hussie said screw it and got the three together. I just wish they said the word polyam at least, being vague about feels like baiting a bit. (6/6 i think i lost count sorry)

here’s the thing: this is a fine argument for being uncomfortable with it. “i dont feel there was buildup and it felt gimmiky and like they didn’t really want to make it polyam”

sure.

but i was huge into davekat circles back in the day, and that’s NOT what most of the arguing is. It’s a huge clusterfuck of biphobic rhetoric, “smol soft boys would never like a GIRL EWWWW” fetishization, and dangerous misconceptions about poly relationships. people aren’t mad that this relationship felt rushed or badly written, they’re mad that

a) a boy/girl/boy triad made up of explicitly bi characters (and all three characters have literally never been even implied to be gay, hell the guys got together in GO fighting over a girl) isn’t “gay enough” which is biphobic as all hell

b) that a triad is somehow more normative than a couple because the fictional world ONE of the participants is from had severely regulated relationships that aren’t really poly in spirit anyway because each person still has a strictly defined number of partners, which is just about as dumb as when people said alternia is bi-normative and therefor any bi trolls were regressive as if we dont live in a real world where these things have consequences,

c) they’re literally just Big Mad because of some dumb ship war between jadedave and davekat and didnt want to have to shake hands, and

c) the big one, that poly relationships as a concept are damaging if you have self-esteem issues like dave and karkat has, which is………Do Not Do That Pls. you could tell me jade would upset dave somehow. you could tell me karkat’s anger issues are bad for the other two. you could even tell me that karkat and jade’s personalities combined would somehow trigger daves ptsd or w/e. but don’t tell me that a poly relationship would with ANY other character would be :/ problematic actually ://///// just because you think poly people and relationships have to fit a specific stereotype. (fun fact: if u have insecurities about your partners loving you, then as a group you can like...work through that you don’t need to say poly relationships as a concept are Unhealthy for Most People)

once again, if the arguments were actually about like, the people involved or the writing or w/e, i wouldn’t care, but i remember when the credits went up and i made a silly post about how i thought davekat was included in davejadekat and like,,,,,the OUTRAGE. the fucking SHEER HATRED i suddenly received from all those people. i still find people today who obviously blocked me from that one post.

and i remember when act 7 dropped, there was fucking pandemonium. it wasn’t just people feeling like they weren’t represented, i remember Someone Who Shall Not Be Named (one of the people who blocked me lmao) getting absolutely hammered and crytyping all day just because there wasnt an explicit kiss and they werent even the worst of it. that was when i really started re-evaluating how fucking damaging it is to put literally all your stock in a ship playing out in an extremely specific way.

fast forward to like 20 minutes ago, when i saw several posts in a row resurfacing all this shitty rhetoric back in my face like its 2010 and we still are afraid of people dating more than one person. like, explicitly saying they thought a poly relationship was bad for the characters and was actually less woke than two gay boys and all that bullshit.

i don’t fuckin care about the ships. im actually pretty lukewarm about this one. but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BEING BIPHOBIC AND POLYPHOBIC WHEN DISCUSSING THEM. A CANON TRIAD WILL NEVER EVER FUCKING BE NORMATIVE OR REGRESSIVE OR INHERENTLY ABUSIVE OR WHATEVER OTHER BULLSHIT YOU’RE THINKING. (and characters who are canonically attracted to multiple genders ending up in relationships with characters of different genders will ALSO never be fucknig normative you absolute biphobic shitheads)

#fan wank #long post whoops #again this isnt about ship wars its about a problem within fandom thinking polyam bi relationships arent as woke as mono gay ones

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ignitesthestxrs · 7 years

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I really want to write villain girlfriends but i feel ppl only think its ok if it's existing characters (like fic with the darkling as a lady) I know that everyone can write whatever they please but I feel like it makes me a bad lesbian to write evil girlfriends, and like people will frown upon it bc there's lots of terrible rep already I have no intention of killing either of them or having them split at the end bc those things bother me too! 1/2

2/2 i just feel like in general people aren't okay with lesbian rep unless they're wholesome characters? idk if this makes any sense? I'm so worried though about writing more terrible lesbians, bc I know how much it sucks to read those types of things (also i'm sorry if you're totally not wanting to answer writing asks anymore/have a super full inbox!!!)

i have said this before, but the onlly thing that make you a bad lesbian is if you are attracted to men as well, which just makes you a good bisexual.

i am firmly of the opinion that lesbians can write whatever the fuck they want about lesbians. we all have our own interests and things we want to see in fiction - we’re not a monolith and while i’m sure there are people out there who would say that Villain Girlfriends are Problematic, i’m equally sure that there is a butt-tonne of people who would LOVE to see that written. i am one of them! and when i post about the possibility of writing my own, i always get a bunch of excited responses.

but at the end of the day, you are right with that thought about not writing for other people. it never ever works. you have to write what you want to see, and if that is villain girlfriends, fuckin go for it.

also, the issue with evil ladygays i think is baked more into the fact that they are often portrayed as ‘evil BECAUSE they’re gay’ or some associated trauma that turned them such, or other bullshit like that. the key to avoiding typical bad lesbian tropes i to make your characters three dimensional people, as opposed to stock stereotypes. it’s the same with killing lesbians off - if there is other wlw rep in the story (i tend to go for ‘leave double the amount of ladygays you kill alive’), it doesn’t hurt as much or in the same way as killing a) your only wlw rep or b) tearing apart half of your ladygay couple for the shock value.

BASICALLY it is not really about what you do so much as how you do it. it might require a little more thought and care, but i think that is a part of the beauty of writing tbh. we should have thought and care in everything we write, it’s not a bad thing.

ANYWAY i would love to see your lady villains, please go right ahead and Do The Thing. also, i am always happy to receive writing asks and have utterly given up on ever clearing my inbox, so don’t worry about that! it was a nice thing to wake up to c:

#hannah does advice #writing #Anonymous

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