#anti joshaya

[darthenderson]

So, I went back and rewatched Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World (at the same time). Heres the thoughts:

I watched Girl Meets World before (when it came out in like middle school/high school; I’m in college now so it’s been a while) and since I’m a Boy Meets World fan I thought I would go back and rewatch it.

Boy Meets World is amazing. The storylines, the characters, everything else; I will always love that show and I often rewatch it.

Girl Meets World is 95% hot fucking garbage. Like I get it’s a Disney channel show- it’s not going to be the greatest thing ever- but good god this is a mess. The writers didn’t really get to tell the story they wanted because of Disney, at least I hope that’s what happened instead of actually thinking that this would be on the same level as Boy Meets World.

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The 5% of the show I enjoyed was:

- Eric’s episodes

- Eric and Tommy’s reunion

- Eric and Jack’s reunion

- Seeing more of Cory and Topanga’s relationship

- Some of Shawn’s episodes

- Some of Farkle, Smackle, or Maya’s scenes (definitely not a lot of them though)

- Stuart Minkus’ appearances (and Jennifer too)

- Feeny and the other original characters making cameos too

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The rest of Girl Meets World I kinda hated.

For example:

- they did Angela dirty (like, wtf? They acted like she wasn’t close friends with Cory, Topanga, and the other characters before she left in Boy Meets World; it seemed like they made some of the characters mad at her (Riley) for no reason at all, she did nothing wrong in my opinion. And I would have loved to see more of her, like as an Aunt to Riley and Auggie or something)

- they did Jack dirty too (he would’ve definitely stayed in contact with at least Eric and Shawn, being as close as they were on Boy Meets World. And why wasn’t he at Shawn’s wedding? Also, we should’ve seen more of him after the semi formal episode, and jeric should have happened)

- no Rachel appearances (I would have loved to see her again, and she did stay in contact with Eric, as mentioned in the show, so she could’ve come back)

- the annoying ass Riley, Maya, Lucas love triangle

- the fact that they still didn’t make jeric happen (I need them to happen. They would be so cute! Just look at them:⬇️)

- Mr Turner not having more scenes (I hated that he wasn’t at Shawn’s wedding- like we knew he was in NYC, he could’ve been there- and that he wasn’t in more scenes, especially ones with Shawn)

- the whole “Maya is turning into Riley and they have to stop it” arc. (It was- like the love triangle- annoying, long, and unnecessary. And people do change in high school- and often do a full 180 to their personality; I know I did, and on the Boy Meets World universe Harley Kenner did too. I didn’t even notice the change until it was outright said on the show, and I think the characters discouraging this was just wrong. Yes, Maya did change a lot throughout the show, but that is good. It shows growth, it shows a character arc, that her life is getting brighter and she has more hope, and I still saw Maya as the same character at that point. Anyway, I think that this whole arc was just bad, but I think that Maya still was a good character- she was just poorly written sometimes)

And let’s not forget the two biggest reasons I hate this sequel:

- Joshaya (that relationship was creepy as hell now that I’ve watched the show as an adult, in middle school I didn’t really see why people disliked it, but now I get it. I mean at the end of the series Josh is a FRESHMAN IN COLLEGE (around 18) and Maya is a FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL (around 14 or 15), them doing what they do on the show is illegal. And Josh saying that he’ll “play the long game” too and wait for her? Ew. Just ew. That makes it so much worse; it implies that he’s waiting until she’s 18 or in college and that’s just disturbing and disgusting for a Disney channel show and in general. Overall: Joshaya is gross and illegal and should’ve never been a thing and other characters should not have encouraged it on the show)

- “Girl Meets Farkle” (the infamous autism focused episode. I loved the fact that it had representation for autism, but I hated the way this episode was handled and written. This was by far the worst part of the show for me. I hated the way that some of the characters (Riley, Maya, Lucas) reacted when Farkle said he might be autistic. They acted like it was some horrible thing to be autistic, (which- as a human being and recently diagnosed person with autism- I found offensive) seriously they acted like autism was going to kill him (I’m not joking, that’s how they reacted) and they even went as far as to make Farkle mask who he was in one scene when Farkle said that he identified with some signs of autism. Like, all he wanted was support from his friends when he was getting tested and figuring things out, and all he got was hate from them. And I hate that other characters (and the writers of the show) didn’t see this too and change things or put a stop to it. They also used some outdated language to describe the spectrum on the show, which didn’t help things at all. For a lot of people and viewers, this was the first time they really learned about or saw anything about the spectrum and autism and this is just a horrible way to learn about this. Additionally, I loved Smackle’s whole story and telling how she got diagnosed, but I hated how some characters (Riley and sometimes Maya) treated her throughout the show. As an example: Smackle, as shown in the series, doesn’t often like hugs or physical contact (like me sometimes) and she makes it known, but Riley still fucking tries to hug her constantly and it’s so irritating! I know that if I was having a moment like that, as I often do, and someone tried to hug me like that I would be very uncomfortable and upset, so this whole thing they do with those interactions on the show just pisses me off. Overall: this episode of the show was offensive and horrifying, mostly because of the way the show frames autism and the way that the other characters react to Farkle and his potential diagnosis and Smackle with her actual diagnosis.

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In conclusion to my long ass rant:

Me at Boy Meets World:

Me at Girl Meets World:

#thanks for coming to me Ted talk #I’m upset and hyperfixating and ranting #I hate girl meets world so much in case you couldn’t tell #boy meets world will always be my favorite #boy meets world #jeric #girl meets world #gmw #anti Joshaya #anti girl meets world #Shawn Hunter #cory matthews #eric matthews #maya hart #maya Hunter

[hydesjackiespuddinpop]

Maya ships ranked

1. Lucaya (duh)

2. Rilaya (Sisters? *scoffs* Yeah right.)

3. Zaya (Zay is so shippable man)

4. Smaya (not my first choice but they could be cute! Plus they could end up being my gwikki *perks up*)

5. Mayarkle (Better as friends imo. The writers did the right thing having Farkle get over Rilaya)

6. Joshaya (Why would a sophomore in COLLEGE want to date a freshman in HIGH SCHOOL????)

#gmw #girl meets world #maya hart #maya ships #lucaya #rilaya #zaya #smaya #mayarkle #anti joshaya

[starlightsweetheart]

Someone needs to write a thesis on this, please.

I honestly can’t understand the lack of…(sorry, I couldn’t stop myself) intelligence of Riley and Rucas (and Joshaya) fans and how they can possibly buy into the “Maya turned into Riley” and the “Maya never actually liked Lucas, she only liked him because she turned into Riley” bullshit? I guess it’s because they are stans of the character/couple, and they just don’t care about actual facts:

a) You can’t turn into someone else. It’s not frickin’ possible. People can change, but they can’t turn into someone else.

b) You either like someone or you don’t, it’s as simple as that (and again we’ll emphasize this point: you can’t use an excuse of liking someone because of “turning into someone”, see a)).

c) Trying to manipulate and convince someone to believe that they have changed their personality to become you and insisting that the only reason why they were interested in someone is because they turned into you… that is abuse.

This is exactly what Riley was doing to Maya. Insisting that Maya changed into her, insisting that Maya only liked Lucas because she became her, and that was also the reason why Maya was doing better in school.

Riley was doing that while also showing how low her opinion of Maya actually is: Maya will have 5 husbands, accusing Maya of pulling the fire alarm, accusing Maya of theft (if I was Maya, that would be the final nail in that friendship coffin).

Riley needs Maya to be inferior to her. Riley needs to be superior, it props her up. She can’t have someone from a broken home becoming better than her… and Riley’s absolutely can’t have Lucas pick some lowlife over her.

Also, I wonder if there’s something wrong with the Matthews family, period. Cory likes to take pot shots at Maya and her life… and then we have another gaslighter (and narcissist), Josh Matthews.

Josh loves the idea of Maya pining over him and waiting for him. Having someone fangirl-ing over him gives his ego a huge boost, and he’s not going to let that go. So, instead of using Riley’s gaslighting accusations, he comes up with another bullshit excuse: Maya only like Lucas because she was trying to protect Riley 🙄🤬. This way he kills two birds with one stone. He gets to keep having fawning over any scrap of attention he throws her way, while his niece gets the guy. Win-win for the Matthews.

It honestly makes me wonder the actual reasons of why GMW was cancelled. Was Disney getting complaints from parents over the way Maya was being treated? If I was a parent, I sure wouldn’t want my kid watching a show which was partly based on bullying and manipulating a character, never mind that it was the main character doing the bullying and manipulation.

Thoughts?

#girl meets world #gmw #maya hart #lucas friar #lucaya #anti riley #anti Riley Matthews #anti rucas #anti josh matthews #anti joshaya #anti Cory Matthews #gaslighters #gaslighting #abuse #bullying #manipulation #Riley is a bully #my thoughts #my two cents #maya deserved so much better #with a friend like that who needs enemies? #fake friends #narcissism

[blues-valentine]

I honestly forgot most of the plot for GMW but I’ll always remember how they made it seem like Maya and Josh’s relationship was okay and not like he was a literal college freshman and Maya was a HIGH SCHOOL freshman so she was about 14. They had all the adult characters encouraging that relationship too and I’m not surprised because Disney works with groomers but yikes, some scenes are truly creepy like that one moment with Maya in his college dorm and all the girls telling her their age difference isn’t that much. They also pulled the jail bait wait with him saying he’ll wait until he can date her. The show had some pretty crazy moments. That autism episode with everyone acting like Farkle having autism could be a bad thing, the one with them gaslighting Farkle for not being religious and they ruined Shawn and Angela and that was enough for me to hate it.

#girl meets world #gmw #boy meets world #bmw #shawngela #maya hart #farkle minkus #text post #that scene of him telling her he plays the long game and will wait for her #that’s weird #go date girls your AGE #awful #and the fact he was Riley’s uncle #anti joshaya #and then also ruining shawnagela for maya's white mom

[mytragedyperson]

even if Lucaya wasn't an option I still wouldn't ship Joshaya, never have, never will. If not Lucaya then Maya and Zay, or honestly pretty much anyone but Josh. Like when I ship lucaya its not just oh I prefer them over joshaya, because to me, anything would be better than that. She could date any member of the forest group or an OC, I'd still prefer that to Joshaya. Joshaya is a plot convenience.

She can pretend shes in love with josh, play the long game, even though she still likes lucas. It makes things feel less awkward for the group and she can reject people and use this as a reason.

Also still confused by Riley going from "you're not gonna be my aunt, I don't want you to be my aunt" to just not caring. I too would not want my childhood friend to be my aunt tbf. But yeah not much point to this other than saying Joshaya honestly is my least favourite ship. Its like one of the only notps I have. It's not even really for the age gap reasons or anything. I've shipped far more obviously toxic things. It just never really did anything for me as a ship. I just never cared

#anti joshaya #lucaya #gmw #girl meets world #maya hart #lucas friar #zay babineaux

[lover-of-mine]

The way people romanticize uncle Josh saying he's gonna play the long game with Maya, when Disney changed his age because that man is about to go into college when Maya is 13 and that man is still about to go to college when she's 15, as if is something cute not a college age dude saying he's gonna wait until a teenager is legal.

#thats the only vibe i get #a college dude waiting for a teen to be legal #hes her best friend uncle #there would forever be an a power imbalance there #hes chaperoning her class #how do yall think this is cute or romantic???????????? #gmw #anti joshaya

[whatohitsonfirewelp]

If you ship Josh and Maya I hope you know I will be blocking you

#it’s WEIRD #like!! she’s a BABY #she’s in middle school and he’s close to graduating high school!! #AND THEN SHES A FRESHMAN AND HE HAS GRADUATED #I don’t CARE if the age difference itself isn’t that big #they are on completely different levels of maturity #whatoh back at it again #girl meets world #josh matthews #maya hart #anti joshaya

[wishallthatiwant]

younger me did not understand how creepy j/shaya actually was. like sure there was a three year difference but a) a three year difference is a lot when you’re that young and b) it was more about the maturity level — maya was on the same level as her seventh grade peers, she was a first year middle schooler who had a harmless crush on josh, but josh was a fully grown senior in high school whose entire storyline on the show revolved around his being in college. 

in general, it’s really gross that a sophomore in college was giving a freshman in high school any hope that they would be together in the near future

#its ok cause baby me grew out of it #girl meets world #anti joshaya #maya hart #josh matthews

[alphawolfice1989]

Morgan and Joshua Matthews Love interest in girl meets world  

#morgan matthews #tj murphy #joshua matthews #anti josh x maya #anti joshaya

[magicwithineleteo]

hey guys! i wrote a fic hehe 

it takes place in the broken stars au that @planet-alicorn and i created and it’s ab maya getting a text from an unknown number i hope u like it :D

#my writing #girl meets world #hsmtmts #broken stars au #broken stars #i don't remember which one our tag is lmao #maya hart #ricky bowen #anti joshaya #anti josh matthews

[couldnt-think-of-a-funny-name]

Going back to our roots here what’s your brutally honest opinion about lucaya and joshaya if you’re up for some throwbacks

this message physically aged me 45 years 😭

lucaya- like, it was obviously planned from the beginning, but here's the thing: their dynamic was tired as hell. you see it in every piece of media ever. they were BORING. also I just genuinely almost never liked lucas lmfao. there were a handful of lines throughout 3 seasons that got a laugh out of me- and it was always when he was playing the idiot or confused part, if they had just let him be the wannabe eric of the show it could have been amazing. as for maya, I definitely wasn't as attached to her as I was riley, she just kinda got on my nerves a bit, but Dear God Did She Deserve Better. the triangle was drawn out WAY too long. by the end of it both girls should have left lucas in the dust. we see the 'official' triangle plotline start on new years eve, and end in late september/early october. in no world should it have taken him that long, ESPECIALLY when he knew what a strain it was putting on the girls relationship. if he really cared he would have stepped back, like, literally, it is very very possible to have feelings for someone and not date them, oh my God. farkle had the girls fighting over him ONE time and was like 'hey no I love you guys too much to see you upset'. lucas friar you will always be hated<3

joshaya- I need to get this out of the way because I saw it so much: maya was not trying to date josh when she snuck into the college party. the college girls were not telling josh to date maya. one of josh's friends hits on maya and riley and maya said We Are In Eighth Grade. she's not delusional. the whole episode was how she wanted josh to stop ignoring her. there's subtext ladies!!! cory and topanga were practically raising maya since she was 5. even if it's not addressed too well on screen, you have to be aware that maya and josh have known each other practically their whole lives. considering how close josh is with cory, riley, and auggie, that tells us he saw the family on a regular basis growing up (he literally left his parents and took a train at like 4 in the morning just so cory could open his college letter with him). so josh and maya were likely good friends as children! what we see with his introduction to the show is he starts treating her more as a kid, as his niece's friend, and thinks her feelings are silly and she says No. I need you to take me seriously here. I don't want our friendship to change just because you're in college now. my feelings are not stupid and I want you to respect me. (also. side note. they never said josh's age in the show right?? because for him to start college when he did would make him older than he should have been based on the boy meets world timeline...like, I was kinda working under the assumption he skipped a grade or two in high school but everyone else was like Known Grown Man And Pedophile Josh Matthews Asked A Toddler To Go To The Movies As Friends lmfao). anyway. she asks him to respect her and he does!!! genuine shock and awe! lucas friar found dead in a ditch! lmao. their vague 'let's see how we feel in a few years' talk reminded me a lot of the cory/topanga yearbook quote scene, and they had great chemistry! it didn't feel like something I've seen a thousand times before. it's not like they promised to swear off dating and wait for her 18th birthday, she was basically dating zay by the end of the show. they just said 'we've known each other for a while, there's definitely something between us but this isn't the right time for us to explore it, so let's be friends like we used to' (see: what lucas should have done during the triangle). josh had a tiny bit of an edge to him, but with the dorky matthews heart, which tbh was exactly what maya wanted. I loved how maya acted around josh, it lead to some of her funniest and most open moments in the show. I loved how gentle josh was with her even when she was being annoying. I love a good childhood crush to actual lovers story! sue me! lmao I think if the show had gotten as many seasons as boy meets world they really could have been something special

#girl meets world #gmw #maya hart #joshaya #anti lucaya #asks #molly mumbles #kourtgreene

[hydesjackiespuddinpop]

Maya Hart for the character asks? <3

• My NOTP for them: Josh Fucking Matthews. I'm sorry, no I'm not, but there is no reason why a freshman in college should be wanting to date a middle schooler. Like he did turn her down in s1, but then s3...

• My BROTP for them: Riley, Smackle, Farkle, Lucas, and Zay <3 Also Sage! She should've at least been a recurring character.

• My OTP for them: Lucas!!!

• My second choice pairing for them: Riley and Zay <3333

• My fluffy pairing for them: Riley (all of them tbh)

• My angsty pairing for them: Lucas (also all)

• My favorite poly ship for them: Zay/Maya/Lucas, Riley/Maya/Smackle, Zay/Maya/Riley

• My weirdest pairing for them: Her and Chai (the girl from girl meets she don't like me) would be fun. Or her with Smackle, and there was another girl she interacted with in girl meets she don't like me

#answered #rj 🫎 #maya hart #lucaya #rilaya #zaya #anti joshaya #anti Josh Matthews #edit: i meant college not high school #which makes it even grosser

[starlightsweetheart]

You don’t date anyone you ever called “uncle”, even if it was just a joke… it’s still gross and creepy.

Lookin’ at you, “Uncle Boing”…. 😒🤢

#girl meets world #gmw #maya hart #anti joshaya #anti josh matthews

[fandomcrazy6226]

*cracks knuckles*

Alright, I may get shot down completely for this but I think most of the Girl Meets World fans COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND the love triangle.

Now I know that sounds like an exaggeration but trust me with all the posts I've seen about it, it very much is not.

All of the people saying lucaya should've been endgame are 100% missing how the love triangle happened and even the end results, which were that Maya and Lucas didn't even like each other in that way.

The entire triangle stems from Maya's identity crisis where she loses herself and becomes more like Riley, and when she becomes like Riley she starts to experience Riley's feelings for Lucas to make sure he's good for her. And because she's becoming like Riley and also Riley saying her and Lucas are "siblings" (they are not), Lucas starts liking Maya as well.

The whole resolution to the triangle is Maya refinding herself and realizing that she never liked Lucas romantically, and Lucas realizing that he likes Riley, always has and always will, and he only liked Maya because she was Riley at the time.

And at the end of the day it doesn't even matter, because the real point was to show that no matter what they go through, Riley and Maya are still best friends and will always be best friends and will always be there for each other.

Also I feel like I should mention how Josh fits into this because that is also a thing that people get wrong. Josh isn't the bad guy in this situation, and Maya isn't wrong to like him. Three years isn't a very big age gap, especially when Maya is much more mature than her age would typically be. And Josh isn't a groomer for saying he'll wait, either. I know some people have big issues with that, but to me it's a really sweet and smart way to go about things and not any kind of evil or irredeemable action.

(For the record, I'm not anti- any of the ships here. I'm not anti-lucaya, anti-joshaya, anti-rucas, or even anti-riarkle. I don't care what you ship, I just want people to understand this story and why things ended up how they did in regards to these ships and characters)

(Also for the record, I am open to this starting a respectful discussion in reblogs/comments, but please keep it respectful and don’t turn this into any kind of flame war)

#girl meets world #girl meets world love triangle #love triangle #maya hart #lucas friar #riley matthews #farkle minkus #josh matthews #lucaya #joshaya #rucas #riarkle #ski lodge #analysis

[ee-to-the-mah-to-the]

…

And Josh is way too old for Maya, and likewise— Sofia Wylie is a minor and EJ’s actor…is not 🙃

#j*sh*ya is fucking worse but anyway… #the way ion like nunna deez ships lol #both gina and maya are lesbians anyway sksksk #(regardless of whether or not disney is pussy or not 🥴) #hsmtmts #anti gmw #anti joshaya #gina x ej #gina porter is a lesbian #maya hart is a lesbian #lucaya

[rubylioness]

“We’re in middle school”

Yet at the same time — you’re thinking Josh is being unreasonable for not wanting to get with you.

BUT ALSO—the same Black guy is like, “Dude, what is wrong with you?” later in that scene, I-

#???? #explain! explain disney channel explain? #*! #anti joshaya #anti gmw