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ineffablecolors · 3 months
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hey just wondering why you think Roy reuniting w Keeley post s3 would’ve been bad for him? I sort of agree but also don’t want to bash keeley in anyway so I haven’t talked about it
Heya! Thanks for the ask and sorry you feel like you can't discuss something though I do understand why. I'll preface this by repeating something I've said before - canon did such a horrible job of holding Keeley accountable for anything and wrote her as if she could do no wrong and fandom seems to have picked that up and totally ran with it.
I do love that when reading RoyJamie fanfic, I never see Keeley bashing, as you call it, because vilifying female chatacters is such common practice in fandoms. But Ted Lasso fandom seems to swing to the other extreme where I've never even read a fic where Keeley apologises for something? And you can't even quite blame the fans, they just picked what canon put down - Keeley can do no wrong.
So, first of all, I think simply judging Keeley's actions is not bashing at all, it's just treating her the way every character BUT her is treated in both fandom and show. I think Keeley, like almost every other character, has made plenty of bad decisions and mistakes and, personally, how I react to them is a mix of how well I can relate to her and something else. Jack, for example, was a very professionally questionable decision but I completely sympathise with Keeley for it because 1) she faced consequences for her mistake even if it's never acknowledged that she made one and 2) I can relate to it! Hiring Shandy on the other hand was such a monumentally stupid decision that I could never relate to, so it just makes me annoyed with Keeley and the fact that the show treated it as her just being too sweet and wanting to give another horribly unqualified woman a chance rather than as a point towards her lack of professional skills.
Anyway!! The something else is important for my answer. As much as I love discussing my favourite shows and try to be objective, I very rarely am. Once I pick a favourite character, my opinion of almost every other character is informed by how they treat my favouriteTM. Is that fair? No. Do I do it without fail? Yes. Do I feel bad for it? Umm, no, that's my baby, nobody is allowed to be mean to them xD
And this is how we get to the Roy Kent of it all (finally! christ, this is gonna be long, sorry but also thanks!). Roy's my favourite, my baby, my grumpy, old, emotionally constipated and physically aching romantic. Roy can and has done wrong, I'd never claim otherwise. But I'd still claim he's the best chatacter and one of the best people on the show. And he's always gonna put himself last on his list of priorities.
Which is why I fully admit that I judge Keeley extra harshly when it comes to her and Roy. For brief context - I totally shipped Roy and Keeley and think they were good for each other, for the most part, in s1, I was ecstatic they were together in s2 and still shipped them like hell on my first watch (which was binged with s1!) and less and less on every consequent rewatch, part of me still wanted them to be together and then to get back together in s3 until I actually watched it all and completely changed my mind.
Shall I finally answer your question? I don't think Roy should reunite with Keeley because he gives too much of himself and she gives too little. I don't believe they are well balanced and I dont believe he'd feel loved with her again.
That WAS brief! But if you'd like more detail...
I think as sweet and good-hearted as she's portraited, Keeley is inherently a selfish person. Now, we circle back to bashing and judging. I'm doing neither. I'm myself a selfish person in many ways, that's not the worst thing to be in some regards. But I think Keeley is especially selfish in her romantic relationships and that simply does not suit someone like Roy. When paired with a selfish partner, Roy would just give and give and blame himself for not getting as much back.
I'm not saying there haven't been some great moments between Roy and Keeley, full of affection and care from Keeley, such as the scene at the end of s1. That's probably my favourite moment of theirs. But there have been some pretty shit ones too that for me outweigh the good and, more importantly, came once they settle into the relationship.
As early as their first kiss, Keeley got so annoyed and impatient, she immediately slept with Jamie. I know the show took it as an opportunity to have a kinda feminist moment but can you picture that turned around? Roy and Keeley kiss after tons of flirting and build up, and the day after Roy sleeps with a girl Keeley has a proper (however childish) feud with just cuz she told him she was busy that night. That would've never been fine. Again, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's the response of a person who only cares about what they want and doesn't plan for the future.
Then, we have the infamous "Roy is a fridge magnet" episode which I still can't wrap my mind around so gimme a sec here. Your boyfriend is too into you, is perfect (by Keeley's own words) but not giving you the space you haven't asked for. So, instead of talking to him - don't even get me started on people writing Keeley as a character who's good as communicating - girl, where?? - you talk about it to his boss, a bunch of his coworkers and your ex who has an antagonistic relationship with him, and eventually as you're spending time together and he's trying to share one of his interests with you, you start screaming bloody murder at him about how clingy he is. Do I have that all correct? All of this would have been forgivable ofc, miscommunication happens, people aren't perfect, etc, etc, expect... forgiveness was asked by the wrong person. What on earth did Roy have to apologise for? This is the #1 example for me of that show trying so hard to make Keeley a perfect sunshine girl boss that they made 0 narrative or even logical sense. Honestly I hate that whole episode with a fiery passion.
Then we have the funeral shenanigans, which I won't even get into because I think Roy was 100% hilarious in that and Keeley was 100% overreacting (and yes, that's a heavy term to use towards a woman but here's the thing... she was). I guess this would be a good place to talk about their ILYs as well. Roy's ILYs always come with an acknowledgement of Keeley's feelings and his own fault for hurting them in anyway. Keeley's first ILY though has absolutely nothing to do with Roy. She's happy about her own success and he's celebrating her. That's it. That's the first time we see her say I love you. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Roy's aren't better but I think that just proves why he couldn't be happy with Keeley. Every time he's said ILY, it's been tinged with sadness and guilt and self-incrimination. Why would I want him to be with someone who constantly inspires those feelings in him?
This is now definitely too long so I'll try to wrap up with s3 very quickly and mainly the fact that the episode Keeley is drinking alone in the pub is one of the only ones where Keeley faces consequence for her actions (in this case, sleeping with her boss - again, not something I blame or begrudge her for but also something she should've probably considered can get her funding pulled when it ends, see: never thinking about the future (and why I don't see Keeley being successful without people like Barbara or Rebecca but thats a different topic)). Keeley responds to being made to face the music by using Roy to make herself feel better. I'm sorry but there's no other interpretation of their hook up for me. He's just read her a very heartfelt apology, ending with another guilt ridden ILY and then he was leaving. Except she chased him down, not to say it back ofc, but to use him for sex.
Thanks, I hate it.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to the fact that I think Roy was right to break up with Keeley. Not because she's not a great catch and not because there was anything wrong with her being successful or needing time for herself but because they're not right for each other. Roy is too selfless and ready to blame himself for everything and Keeley is too focused on herself and ready to take advantage of that.
Roy is the kind of romantic that would tell his cabbie to date his wife and compose a playlist for the girlfriend who treated him horribly yesterday. He's the kind of guy that's had to bottle up all his emotions forever and never talks about himself with people and has had his fucking watch stolen by his fucking hook ups. He deserves someone *cough*Jamie*cough* who is absolutely obsessed with him! Who will appreciate the things he does for them and the time he spends with them rather than take them for granted at best and be annoyed at worst. Who will make him feel like he's been struck by lightning! He deserve someone who cares about his feeling and frankly, in season 3 at least, I don't think that's Keeley or should be again.
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mitskijamie · 4 days
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Was anyone else a diehard Roykeeley during the airing of the show only to become a Roykeeley hater post-finale because the fans are so annoying and bitter. You hate Jamie because he's prettier than you
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lunar-years · 4 months
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Also. Especially after the first like. 2 episodes of s3 aired. It is kind of shocking to me that anyone still thought RoyKeeley were going to be engaged by the finale. I’ve seen people saying they expected proposals onscreen weddings baby announcements by season’s end and that’s AFTER they watched the season open with their offscreen breakup. ?!?! Like. You guys do know there are only 12 episodes in the season right. If they start out not talking to one another how are they going to—
Well.
Frankly, even during s2 I would love to know which episode led them to think “proposal incoming!!!” because if we’re being honest with ourselves. at what point during the series did those two seem ready for marriage?
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joebennet · 11 months
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This is a finale positive blog btw if you’re mad abt the ted lasso finale unfollow me lmao
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the more I think about it the more it just annoys me what they did with roykeeley in s3…throughout the whole show it really seemed like they were building up to them being together and staying together, yeah they had their issues and setbacks but they were working through them together and could’ve continued to do so. but then in s3 the writers went “whoops lol actually they broke up!! will they get back together???? maaaaaybe…or maaaaaybe not…who knows?!?!?? 🤷‍♀️🤪”
obviously relationships can have their ups and downs and maybe I wouldn’t have minded them breaking up if the subsequent will-they-won’t-they teasing ending in an ambiguous “maybe” hadn’t just frustrated me…especially since in brendan’s AMA he says they were “exploring the love triangle trope”?? in the finale???? when roy keeley and jamie have never been presented as a love triangle before…keeley dumped jamie halfway through season 1 and chose roy and stayed with him until season 2 without ever seeming to doubt her decision or have lingering romantic feelings for jamie (apart from sleeping with him once to make roy jealous). jamie moved on and didn’t seem jealous over roykeeley to me, he went to check if roy was ok when he heard they broke up and he said in s2 that he respected their relationship and also if he really felt that keeley belonged with him wouldn’t he have tried to make a move on her when roykeeley broke up?? but he never did?? apart from that “I still love you” comment at the funeral in s2 but he apologised for it and said that was just his emotions being all confused and messed up from being around dead people or something didn’t he? and as for roy, his s1 rivalry with jamie was never about a girl and his jealousy was more about his self-hatred and not feeling like he was good enough rather than believing he deserved keeley more than jamie or whatever.
overall I just never got the impression that roy keeley and jamie were ever a love triangle, it really seemed to me that keeley and jamie’s relationship was over and roy and keeley were going to stay together - it felt even more official with the addition of having scenes with keeley and phoebe, making it feel like keeley was becoming part of roy’s family. i just felt it was dumb that they would bring up a rivalry again and make keeley have to choose one of them or neither when it seemed like she already chose and also jamie and roy had such a nice friendship going, why would you ruin it by having them fight like teenagers over a girl?? and in brendan’s AMA he said they wanted keeley to have this independent girlboss ending where she don’t need no man because she’s keeley fucking jones and like…yeah but?? she can have both?? she can be an independent businesswoman AND have a relationship?? being in love isn’t bad or anti-feminist, sure she doesn’t NEED roy or jamie to feel fulfilled or complete or anything but it isn’t bad for her to WANT one (or both!) of them…she was still keeley fucking jones when she was with roy, he said so himself!
in conclusion yeah it just felt pointless and annoying to me as well as unsatisfying to build up my expectations for them to be together and then end it ambiguously…especially after teasing that they slept together after roy’s love letter apology only to then be like “actually they’re just friends now” and then have roy say he wants to be more than that…but then an episode later they’re still not back together. feels a little bit like I rooted for them and believed in their love for 3 seasons but was rewarded with nothing. well not nothing I guess but like, they were the one endgame I was sure of and now you’re telling me they might not even be back together???? there was no ending where they kissed and made up and worked things out together????? and maybe they needed to break up so roy could work on himself and keeley could focus on her business but they both did that and they STILL didn’t get back together???? ugh
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nessa007 · 11 months
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I really wanted to see Keeley's KJPR storyline mirror Ted's coming into Richmond with her being a bit of a fish out of water in the corporate world, but pushing forward with her own brand of optimism and maybe seeking advice from Ted (which was such a fun dynamic that just got dropped). I even thought the Shandy storyline was really promising at first because it gave her a chance to also take a page out of Rebecca's book and give someone a chance who may have been overlooked and put in a box like Keeley had been before Rebecca saw her talents (which we also didn't get to see much of in s3).
And having Keeley fail and get bailed out by Rebecca kind of undermines Keeley's relatability? Like we all struggle and stumble and try to get back up, which there was plenty of room for her to do, but fuck everyone else if they don't have super rich friends?
So much of this season felt mean. It felt mean that Keeley got basically isolated and punished the whole season. It felt mean the way they taunted Tedbecca shippers (and I say that as an anti-Tedbecca, but it made me feel sad to see the disdain for it). It felt mean that Ted, a man who supposedly has spent his time learning to express difficult emotions, bottled all those emotions up in the end. Everything felt mean.
Sorry, I just saw the other anon post about how Roy and Keeley's story should have gone, and I was gonna say something quick about it and then this ask happened.
Love your gifs and insights!
completely agree, anon! keeley deserved so much better than her storyline this season and while it is very nice what rebecca did, it does take away some of keeley’s relatability. i also missed the ted/keeley dynamic! they didn’t have a single scene this season.
the writers taunted roykeeley and tedbecca fans all season and it wasn’t entertaining or intriguing. it was just, as you said, mean.
thank you 💕
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Jamie was right to confess his feelings, and why that scene was important in the context of the show.
Look, I'm with y'all 100%. I don't want a love triangle. I don't want petty drama to be dragged out for the rest of the season or the rest of the shower.
BUT. Jamie telling Keeley he loves her was a necessary inclusion. It's honest. It shows his growth.
Jamie says it himself- he's become the person Keeley wanted him to be. He's not such a prick, he's a team player, he's forged good relationships with everyone at Richmond- even Roy. He also has the maturity now to see what Keeley wanted for him and why. He understands what she said about accountability, and his confession exemplifies it. He acknowledges she's with Roy, and he apologizes for the consequences of his words. But he's honest.
To me, it makes sense now that he's fallen for her all over again. Keeley and Jamie are a better fit now than they ever have been.
HOWEVER, I could preach all day about Roy and Keeley being endgame, etc. I HOPE she tells him what Jamie said and they act like adults. Keeley hugging Roy afterwards is a good sign. Idk. Thoughts?
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something that strikes me about nate is how... nearly childish he's being. i don't want to minimize his pain or his actions. but lashing out in anger and shame because he's not getting the attention of the parental figure he needs is something a kid would do.
i've worked in childcare and i also have siblings. i know that jealously quite well, the loneliness and anger and loss of self-worth that stem from feeling cast aside, whether you really are or not.
from an adult's perspective, it's irrational to lash out. as you get older, you gain an understanding of why an adult's attention can't be on you the whole time. it's valid for them to feel hurt, but it's very very hard to balance the emotional needs of a child, especially when they can't communicate to you what they're lacking or feeling, and also when external circumstances prevent you from dedicating all your time and attention to them.
which is what's happening between nate and ted. not only does ted have an entire team to manage, he's also still reeling from his divorce, coping with his anxiety, and processing decades-old trauma for the first time. all his attention can't be on nate.
nate's an adult. why doesn't he understand this?
first of all- his toxic relationship with his father (and mother). nate has received very little healthy attention from his parents throughout his whole life. that's devastating. and it means that nate has no idea how to deal when ted gives him positive attention, and then becomes preoccupied with other, valid problems.
i take issue with calling nate and ted's conversation "anti-climatic." they didn't scream at each other until their true feelings bubbled to the surface. they didn't resolve anything. nate was hurtful and petulant and entitled. and ted just listened.
that's where nate is right now. he has no true self-worth, and he's processing (badly) a father-son relationship with ted. he's not acting like an adult. but he is, and he's enticing big consequences because of it.
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me: trent crimm the independent is going to write a piece revealing that ted had a panic attack because there's literally no other reason he would have checked in with ted asked him to officially confirm what happened at the match
me when trent crimm the independent writes a piece revealing that ted had a panic attack:
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mitskijamie · 4 days
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the continual tweets during last season about how the writers “let Brett and Juno’s magical once in a lifetime chemistry & the healthiest onscreen relationship go to waste” soured me on the ship so badly. I really try not to hate things that get overhyped but sometimes it’s impossible not to
Part of my irritation with hardcore Roy/Keeleys is that I personally felt like the relationship was messy and entertaining, and I LIKED that about them (because I watch TV to be entertained, not to see relationships that perfectly reflect what I think a real relationship should be like!), but a large portion of the fanbase seems to think that getting in fights without breaking up means that you are the healthiest couple in the entire world and the only way your relationship could progress is marriage and babies
I don't think that Roy and Keeley being a perfect couple or even being endgame was ever really the intention of the writers (given that their parking lot meet-cute in s1 was set to a voiceover of Ted actively divorcing his wife and talking about how he met her in a parking lot, and that their first kiss song was "strangers to friends, friends into lovers, then strangers again"), and I feel like people would be a lot less confused and angry about their ending if they looked at the relationship for what it was and stopped insisting that it was perfect and rk not being endgame was a moral failing
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lunar-years · 4 days
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The batshit thing about the R/K shippers hating on Jamie is that Keeley and Roy both love Jamie. The haters have completely ignored every character beat and growth and instead focused on "het couple is always end game" and got pissed when that didn't happen because it turns out their characters are more nuanced than that.
they mischaracterize all three of them to an insane degree because they for some reason feel the constant need to prove that R/K are the healthiest most well adjusted couple in the history of television and Jamie possesses absolutely zero threat to their relationship whatsoever because they both are merely 'putting up with him' at best or secretly hate him at worst (all of which are laughable claims to anyone who has watched the show with their eyes open, and possesses even the most meager analysis skills in their brains).
I also think the way they talk about R/K is often so reductive if not genuinely gross (in addition to just being like, generally of a heteronormative flavor)...and that's the ship they're meant to LIKE. like there were people yesterday screaming about how "Roy would NEVER share Keeley!!!1!!!" and it's like...well Keeley isn't a toy they're passing around or hogging, so jot that down. She's a person with her own agency, who isn't with... get this... EITHER ONE OF THEM at the end of the series!!! Yeah, that includes ROY!!! So Roy at the moment really has zero say in whether she wants to fuck Jamie again or not, lmao. she's every bit as capable of getting back together with him as she is Roy post canon. and if they were together, opening their relationship to someone else would be...a mutual decision...because Keeley is a whole character of her own and not just a prop for your male fav...
And then there's the whole "well we ship something that's actually CANON and therefore BETTER, whereas R/J & RJK shippers are just weaving mystical delusions because they're ~desperate for representation~ or whatever. Which is apparently why the Apple TV account and even the actors should never, ever so much as allude to RJK again, because it diminishes their "real and correct" couple. Again, NEITHER PAIRING IS EVEN ENDGAME CANON.
And finally, all the little ways they constantly try to mask the fact that they just hate Jamie because he's in the way of their ship with "real analysis" that boils down to such riveting takes as: "Jamie = Irredeemable and Bad because he hurt Keeley three seasons ago" "Roy = baby boy who has never hurt Keeley ever in his life and is perfect for her in every which way. oh? here's a canonical scene where Roy is canonically hurting Keeley? WELL, that's just bad writing. OOC, that is. the writers just suck. my favorites cannot be flawed"
anyway...I love roykeeley in the very specific way they exist in my head but i really need the r/k diehards to like... step back and accept the fact that they canonically BROKE UP and are not inherently perfect and better than any other ship between flawed characters. go read fanfiction and imagine the ending of your choosing to your heart's content, like the rest of us, and stop targeting social media managers jumping on the latest silly internet meme. sorry for the rant it's just....so fucking irritating
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ineffablecolors · 5 months
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Visited the roykeeley tag and oh boy. People sure are angry at Roy...
Call me crazy but I think people still have the right to break up with their partners? No matter the reason?? Like... breaking up with someone doesn't make you a villain or an asshole? Since when are people obliged to stay in a relationship that isn't fulfilling them??
And you know what does make you an asshole? Complaining about your partner behind their back to all your mutual friends and coworkers, to their boss and someone they most definitely don't like... about something you never even complained to them about... and then screaming at them about it... I still can't believe they tried to sell that as no big deal and SUCCEEDED
Roy had one blunder of the same magnitude and that was how he reacted to the leak and he wrote a fucking apology letter about it (and about a bunch of other stuff he had no reason to apologise for)!
I love a lot of what Ted Lasso did with its female characters and I love how strong and independent they are but man, do I hate that, unlike Rebecca, Keeley suffered from an inability to see when she was wrong unless someone else spelled it out for her (like Roy had to at the gala) and never apologised for her blunders in their relationship after that, while they made Roy bent over backwards constantly to apologise for... *checks notes* not being able to read his girlfriend's mind and not staying with her when the relationship didn't feel right anymore...
This is why I went from shipping them so much to believing Keeley is completely wrong for Roy. He was simply always too low on her priority list and it makes me so mad when people say HE didn't deserve her? In what world?
The fandom seems to do what the show did - treat Keeley as if she could do no wrong and she's too good and pure for everyone, and I'm sorry but that's just not true. She's just as messy and cruel without meaning to sometimes and in massive need of therapy as everyone else.
I was rooting for her, I was rooting for them but the same way most shows fall into the horrible habit of demonising female characters, this show and fandom have fallen into the only somewhat less infuriating habit of acting as if Keeley could do no wrong and I've ignored it and a lot of fanfic she's in because a character who's always a saint ain't exactly fun but I draw the line at everyone and their grandma throwing Roy under the bus just because he had the misfortune of actually admitting his flaws and apologising for them and trying to work on being better (instead of using the much easier method of having the writers sweep every wrongdoing under the carpet).
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i LOVED roykeeley. and tbh i wouldn’t have been upset if they were endgame BUT!!!! they are a messy couple with flaws and shit and that’s why they were so compelling as a couple. it 100% made sense that they broke up.
also that tweet is just so obviously a joke and roykeeleys (as usual) ruin things for everyone
Oh definitely, I wouldn't have been upset if they were endgame, either!!! Honestly 98% of my beef with it is the way people talk about the pairing post-finale rather than anything that actually happened onscreen. I'm much more anti-RK Twitter than I am anti-RK
I completely agree on all fronts
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