#back to star trek for a moment

[o0anapher0o]

One pet peeve I have with Discovery going forward from season 3 (haven’t seen S4 yet) that has very little to do with the plot, the characters or the overall quality of the show, is how they have put next to no effort into the world building of their future. They have sent their crew 900 years into the future and almost nothing changes? Sure the political landscape shifted a little (but not to a point of being unrecognisable), the technology is a bit more advanced (barely) and everything is a little more lawless and more threatening than before, but all in all there are more differences between TOS and TNG than between Disco season two and three. They might just as well have gone fifty years into the future.

It just feels like the writers have absolutely no concept of how long 900 years are in cultural and social terms. It is very, very long. Like, nine hundred years ago we had a completely different perception of what a person was, and I’m not even talking medically. A child would have been considered a small adult and a person’s character was seen as an unchangeable fixture you were born with (character development was literally invented by the Enlightenmet) . The way society worked was fundamentally different, humanity’s place in the universe was fundamentally different, hell, even what people ate was fundamentally different.

The fact that apparently 900 years in the future Starfleet still exists is hardly less than a miracle, but it also seems to have changed so little that the crew of the Discovery can seamlessly be integrated after a mere months of welcome-to-the-future workshops and a minor technical overhaul of the ship. Fucking Marvel did a better job showing Steve Rogers’ having to integrate into the future and he was only seventy years out of his own time and none of the films really cared about that. The Disco crew even keep their old uniforms and no one ever even remarks on it. Imagine a medieval knight coming to the present and joining the police, but they keep wearing their chain mail and armour, and no one thinks it’s weird. (Yes I know they get the new ones by the end of S3, but there is no in universe reason given as to why exactly then and not earlier.)

And Starfleet is a secular institution that has apparently survived without any major changes at all for nearly a millennium. Even the world’s major religions, the most change-resistant institutions humanity has ever created, have undergone massive changes over the centuries in regards to doctrines, organisation structure, their socio-political role, how they operate, etc. None-religious organisations don’t even usually last that long. The only ones that do tend to be monarchies, which are more often then not closely interwoven with religion; and they too have changed drastically in what they mean, how they work and what they can/should do. Try and put William the Bastard on the English throne today and see what happens.

And that’s not even touching on cultural and social stuff. Like the fact that Kelpiens apparently still sing the same lullabies and eat the same food Saru remembers. Name one song that people still sing that is provably older than even just 500 years. Just one. I’ll wait. Music doesn’t last that long. The idea of what music is, how it’s made, how it’s preserved doesn’t last that long. (They get a pass for the dish because Su’Kal has never had it before so he wouldn’t know if it was weird.) It’s especially annoying that they do this with Kelpien culture with probably underwent a massive revolution after everything they knew about themselves was changed in season 2. We’re talking fall of the Roman empire levels of cultural and social change here. Kaminar should be entirely unrecognisable to Saru.

They do their best job with Ni’Var, and even there it feels superficial. They’re not one culture, they’re two that barely hold together, even after what has to be eight hundred years, if we assume the reunification happened reasonably shortly after the destruction of Romulus. (That’s not even getting into me thinking Ni’Var as a concept is a stupid idea and they should have realised that at some point on those eight hundred years. Sometimes breaking up is simply the better option if your core ideals are fundamentally different.)

Nine hundred years is an insanely long time and all they do is basically pretend this is the same world we already know, just slightly different and with everyone we know conveniently removed.

I know all of this is pretty irrelevant to pretty much everything in the show (which is probably why they didn’t bother), but it bugs me so much every time I watch it it’s not even funny anymore.

#it's not the future it's an AU #And I am so pissed of about the kelpiens #long post #rant #star trek discovery #back to star trek for a moment #time travel

[eruptedinlight]

this is how it went, right?

#star trek discovery #st disco #saru #t'rina #saru x t'rina #disco 05x03 #star trek edit #discovery spoilers #dsc shitpost #my stuff #that moment you wish you could shove all the stupid words right back in your mouth #10/10 can relate to this poor dumb boy #this was such a real relationship moment #t'rina ready to read him to filth in her effortlessly cool vulcan way

[palpunte]

1329.1 "Mudd's Women"

#star trek #the original series #spock #leonard mccoy #gif #my gifs #i'm amusing myself immensely by going back over tos in stardate order to look for spock/mccoy moments #never before or since have i seen spock be this blatantly annoyed

[quarks-pussy]

So I know we here at Startrekfandom love that "came back wrong but from the pov of the wrong" thing and apply it to many different characters and canon situations and I am far from trying to complain about it (I'm "came out wrong" trope myself so I was always gonna obsess over it) but having recently watched a very important episode (you'll know which one) for the first time I think there's a character who hits both tropes mentioned but llike, intertwined, opposite and subverted, and whom I wanna talk about.

Julian Bashir.

From his parents' pov he's "came out wrong but we got him help and he came back better" while from his own pov it's "came out 'insufficient', was destroyed for it, came back wrong and only later slowly came to terms with his new self tho never the process (justifiably so)" and it's heartbreaking because in a way, he's right! Jules Bashir died! His parents had an intellectually disabled child and decided to eugenics him! Julian is not the person he used to be and while I do love the person he is now, that doesn't bring back who he was! Part of me wishes we could've gotten to see Jules at least once and part of me hopes we never do because my heart would shatter.

This isn't a good comparison but nonetheless one I can't help drawing: it's giving similar vibes to anti-vaxxers. "I'd rather risk having a child who is dead than one who's autistic". Obviously this doesn't map over since Julian is still autistic and the procedure his parents subjected him to specifically targeted his intellectual disability and if any folks with id wanna comment on this I definitely recommend you listen to them over me, but it's a similarity I, as an autistic who has encountered anti-vaxxers again and again, can't help but point out. "Give me a normal child or give them death."

This may have been written about already but there needs to be stories about teenage Julian (after finding out and rediscovering who he was) practicing some good ol' recognition of the self through media. I need to hear about how he would encounter a story about someone who came back wrong (I'm gonna assume there's plenty of "wrong" pov stories floating around by the 24th century) and absolutely weep. I need to see Julian mourning Jules, taking years and years to process his feelings, experiencing guilt about how he, the imposter, didn't deserve to live Jules' life.

Came back wrong from the returned's pov but it wasn't an accident. It was done to you deliberately by the people who claim to love you. And now you are here, piloting the corpse of your predecessor.

Jules Bashir is dead. Long live Julian Bashir.

#i've called julian jules before simply as a normal nickname but i don't think i ever will again. not after this #and knowing that if it had been possible i would have probably gone the way jules did. knowing that at his age i would have gone willingly. #fuck dude i am literally actually crying literal tears irl right now this is not a joke #fuck!!!!! #julian bashir #jules bashir #doctor bashir i presume #came back wrong #star trek deep space nine #HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD!! HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD AND THEY KILLED HIM!!!! #i cannot stop crying i am literally crying and like not even just a little #i cannot... poor julian how the FUCK do you ever come to terms with something like that #and like... julian remembers. he has most if not all of jules' memories and also knows he was murdered simply for not being julian #like how did he cope #(im about to go off on a tangent that will contain censored names for the sake of not clogging those tags if you dont know who i mean hmu) #like this is literally the thing that fucked up j*ran so bad he went on a murder spree isn't it #he remembers the one who came before who was killed. very different circumstances of course esp since tr*ll are expected to replace one ano #another but he remembers this person he remembers BEING this person who was young and simply enjoying life and who died a sudden death and #he remembers the experience of that death as well and how it lead to his own creation. it's not remotely similar ofc but considering that #the only time we see t*rias in alpha canon is in julian's body... i need to lie down for a moment. #and jor*n couldn't cope! he couldn't! it was far too much and the weird thing is right now in this moment i GET it y'know?? like that's #so horrific. and i haven't watched any jo*an episode besides facets yet but do you think. do you think j*dzia told julian about all this an #he nodded along and kept composure and then when he was alone he broke down crying? like julian you're doing SO well ily you're coping and #you shouldn't have to obviously but you do nonetheless!! do you think julian still has something from jules? like i've heard there's a tedd #but i mean jules prolly didn't keep a diary he was a six year old with an intellectual disability it's pretty unlikely he could write but #does julian have drawings made by jules? i'd like to think so but honestly his parents probably threw them out. like they also moved so #sorry i'm just. many thoughts head full. ive stopped crying now but who knows for how long. also i'll have to tag this with my original tag #maybe i should've picked something less silly for when i make serious posts but like what am i gonna change my url as well? don't think so #original posts fresh from quark's pussy #and thats the tag limit folks it's been fun. i had to delete two other tags but my god. anyway. thinking about jules bashir forever & cryin

[bumblingbabooshka]

Voyager plotline in which The Doctor, Seven, Tuvok, and Neelix have to become a barbershop quartet in order to save the crew. With the little outfits and everything. (Harry's providing the music)

#It's life or death bc neither Seven nor Tuvok would want to do it otherwise #Look at the EMH and tell me he wouldn't love to twirl a little cane around and sing a jaunty little tune #I chose Neelix as the fourth bc I remember Seven was trying to teach him how to sing? #and I like a whole 'we'll NEVER get to nationals like THIS!' moment bc he's got enthusiasm but is horribly off key #I think the resolution is that they try to just have Neelix lip sync but something goes wrong and one by one the other members #fall in the middle of the performance for a variety of reasons and then it's only Neelix and whoever was providing his voice falters #and so Neelix just has to sing himself and it turns out the aliens fucking LOOVE his terrible off key vocals #everyone else is groaning (from the variety of ailments and injuries that hit them) and Neelix is grinning with a trophy the aliens gave th #(they also gave their crew back) #fake star trek voyager episodes my beloved #st voyager

[youngpettyqueen]

I wish Julian and Martok would interact more cause I think they could have the funniest possible dynamic. they spent 5 weeks together in a Jem'Hadar prison I just know they have a friendship that looks fucking INSANE from the outside looking in

#star trek: ds9 #julian bashir #martok #Martok: we are like blood brothers. we suffered the horrors of the Jem'Hadar together. our bond is unshakeable #Julian: in other words we're besties <3 #Julian is the only doctor Martok will listen to and even then he only listens to him like 50% of the time #he'll ignore whatever Julian says right up until Julian gets right into his face and starts ordering him cause he's HAD IT #and then Martok laughs heartily and goes 'MAY YOUR SPIRIT NEVER BE TARNISHED DOCTOR' #and he slaps Julian on the back so hard he knocks him over #they get drunk on blood wine and belt out Klingon operas until Quark gets Odo to throw them both out of the bar #they'll occasionally talk about their prison time and everybody around them who can hear them is. so very concerned #Julian: what was my record for shortest time between solitary confinements. less than a minute? #Martok: yes they took you out and you spat at them and they threw you back in. that was the moment I knew you had the soul of a Klingon #Julian: aw <3 #Jake sitting three seats away: YALL GOOD? #Julian joins a Klingon mission with Martok and when they come back he's dishevelled and high on painkillers and Martok is carrying him #Julian: hi :) I got blown up #Martok: he was wounded in GLORIOUS BATTLE he did his ancestors proud #like hear me out. theyre besties #and its fucking hysterical

[maliciousalice]

#threshold au #star trek prodigy #art #my art #We love Mindwalk. Silly Janeway has no problem in Dal and I wonder why hahah. #Maybe a moment in a fic where Janeway and Tom are turned back and cant understand the chirps from their reverted kids anymore #I love drawing lizzy janeway being a little animal freak she would play with things #shed also brood and sit on a giant alien egg on an away mission!!!! IDIOT!!! THEYVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU YOU HAVENT BEEN ANSWERING YOUR COM

[tinytinteeny]

captain and first officer ( ･ω･⁠)(–` ´– )

#star trek #spirk #spirk art #star trek fan art #smol space husbands #tos kirk #tos spock #a simple and cute drawing for coming back :> #i missed drawing them!!!! #u know that look jim throws at spock #and spock just UNDERSTANDS him #theyre connected #i mean dUH SJSHSJH #i love those moments <3

[thresholdbb]

Doesn't matter how many times I've seen it, some Star Trek moments will always crack me up

#tell me your funny moments #macrocosm is hilarious #that intro? hysterical #it gets more attention for action janeway which fair #it's the highs and the lows just a whole journey #genuinely just makes me happy #even Kate has a moment where she almost cracks during the intro #ok the side of her mouth quirks for a split second she keeps it together she's a pro #lung is comedy gold you can't tell me otherwise #then kj just steamrolls right over him #Star Trek #star trek voyager #voyager's back baby #Sisyphean voyage

[penicillium-pusher]

GOD I can’t even imagine being alive to see Amok Time when it first aired like. Vulcan biology the biology of Vulcans. She’s lovely Spock who is she? My wife. Wrestling in the dirt. The smile. I would’ve screamed at the television. I would’ve lost my absolute shit. Imagine how horny that episode made people. Fucking christ.

#Star Trek #amok time #if I could go back in time to any moment it would be that moment

[lonely-night]

bonus:

#voyagereditmine #voyageredit #janeway x seven #j7 #star trek voyager #cant even think of a caption #janeway will return to seven over and over again no matter what #hell she even went back in time and changed the timeline for seven #when admiral said 'people who love you' #seven turned to the admiral and looking so surprised when she heard that #i think that is the moment seven suspected something - admiral's love for her #brb losing my mind #i have lost count on how many times she went after seven #I didn't include the scenes pre-lantent image ep #10 gifs certainly won't fit it all if i included previous scene before lantent image ep

[revolutionsoftheheart]

it’s nice to see kate mulgrew has just as much chemistry with herself in animation as she did in live action

#kate mulgrew #kathryn janeway #hologram janeway #star trek prodigy #prodigy spoilers #i was really looking forward to their meeting and the show did not disappoint #really happy they switched back to admiral janeway for that moment #so so good #now who is gonna make a gifset of all the times we had janeway vs janeway bc i need it

[emotional-fandom-soup]

Still thinking about Tuvok and Vorik.

Like, I now really wish that the series had an episode where Tuvok seeks him out and tries to give him tips for how to keep your vulcan logic and emotional control in tact while being on a mostly human ship. And Vorik follows them to a T...only to completely mess up.

Like he just instantly gets into a fight with Belaana, accidentally insults Tom Paris, etc.

Eventually he concludes that nope, this is not helping, and he starts acting more himself again. (I headcanon that he's from a less traditional vulcan family and that's why both him and Taurik joined starfleet)

And he realizes how the humans actually respond better to him if he lets his emotional shields down. Which I can imagine might be exciting for younger vulcans who maybe don't really understand the importance of them yet? (Like how we see with child Tuvok in one episode, even though yk...vorik's clearly older than that.)

So throughout the series we get to watch Vorik slowly turn from your average cold vulcan into someone who's almost openly showing his feelings (as much as he's able to anyways)

I can imagine this would make things between Tuvok and him a lot more akward too since I believe Vorik would subconsciously still look up to him in a way, even if he doesn't feel the need to practice emotional suppression as much anymore.

So it'd probably come to scenes where Vorik's just chatting with a crew member and having a very slight smile on his face, only to turn 😐 again once he spots Tuvok walking past them.

#💚original post💚 #I have so many headcanons about vorik and I will spam his tag with them cuz...there need to be more posts about my boy #man I just wish they'd involved him in the general plot more in the series #like he didnt even have to do smth big. just let him get his lil moments from the beginning and a few episodes #throughout #startreck #startrek #vulcans #star trek #vulcan #vorik #voyager #solok #oh also most of these thoughts are inspired by that short moment where they both get uh rematerialized #after those alien dudes search the ship for telepathic species #and vorik rematerializes next to tuvok and tuvoks not bothered but vorik nods. steps back. and fixes his uniform #(man i hate that tumblr wont let you use commas in the tags) #anyways yup I'm making up entire Backstories on those lil interactions don't judge me

[catgirljaneway]

everytime i see something about tuvix i am filled with inhumane rage ngl

#trek thoughts #shut the fuck UP about tuvix #i'm unconvinced anyone genuinely cared about him or wanted him to live #my conspiracy theory is that the “janeway bad because she killed tuvix” thing was started by weak little men who didn't like there being #a female captain #i can't prove this but i believe it firmly and i if someone brings up tuvix to me i will kill them with the same amount of hesitation with #which janeway killed tuvix #Read: none #so what if she killed him? if my best friend was fused into a different entity and I had to choose between her or stupid smug little tuvix #creature i'd take the creature out back and shoot it with not a moment to spare #also tuvix is fucking annoying i'm not sorry #he's a smug little bastard and I hate him and want to bite him so bad #i hate him so much and i am a lover at heart it is rare for me to hate but i hate that bastard #star trek captains have done FAR worse than this but will people shut the fuck up about him? NO #he's been dead for years get over it losers #remember when janeway made a deal with the borg? now THAT was fucked up (love her for it tho) if you're going to critizise my wife at least #do it for the actual crimes she comitted #she was right to kill tuvix #but seriously i had heard tons about tuvix before watching the episode and when i finally did i was like ??? this is what people were cryin #about??? thought it would be a bigger deal lmao

[bumblingbabooshka]

I don’t typically like when star trek characters reference legacy characters just to talk about how great and perfect they are but I do like this route where even though Tuvok calls him a great visionary in the end he brings Spock up to say he argued with him. I think this is the way of the future. Lean in. Star Trek characters should say things like ‘An old man cut me off in space traffic the other day. I think it was McCoy?’ and another should nod and shake their head like he’s always doing that shit

#'I met Jonathan Archer and he smelled like wet dog?? Seemed nice though.' <- more stories like this #Also since Janeway idolizes ppl like Sulu I want her to occasionally bug Tuvok for more stories about working with him after she finds out #that they were alive at the same time on the same ship and have Tuvok begrudgingly tell her I don't know...we didn't talk much and I was #busy at the time...one time Kirk sneezed on the bridge. It was quite loud. #<- what he doesn't say is that Tuvok had a handkerchief but did NOT give it to Kirk bc he was concerned about being called a suckup again #Tuvok what do you MEAN you 'spoke out against [it]'??? You aren't a politician??? HEHEHE did you write an open letter??? #Tuvok old man moments...Tuvok's children cringing: dad please DON'T bring up your initial opposition to the Klingon-Federation alliance #Tuvok's low estimation of Klingons...B'Elanna..you sit back. I'LL get him!!!!! #I mean everyone in star trek ever like every non klingon character has a low estimation of Klingons for Some Reason* #*You Know. #but I'm a Tuvok girlie so it's my job to rake him across the coals for it from time to time v_v #-sniffs and salutes- gotta kill that old man for my babygirl -fires a cartoon canon at him and he flies into the sky and becomes a star- #love you Tuvok <3 #Tom I smashed with a mallet #cartoonishly large for whimsy but just overall more gruesome

[youngpettyqueen]

“I was in a dangerous mood. Ever since that ridiculous holosuite program, I thought. The spy game. Well of course it’s a game. It’s all a game. But it’s not a holosuite program. And yet, the moment Julian wounded me with his ridiculous weapon, everything changed. I thought it was a magnificent moment. He showed me that he had the spine to play the game as it ought to be played. But why then did he back off? Why couldn’t he go beyond that moment? Why did our relationship end?”

im gonna scream my fucking lungs out Andrew Robinson when I get you

#star trek: ds9 #a stitch in time #elim garak #julian bashir #otp: I need to know that someone forgives me #WHY THEN DID HE BACK OFF #WHY COULDNT HE GO BEYOND THAT MOMENT #WHY DID OUR RELATIONSHIP END #I need to lie down. #this tied into what Garak said earlier in the novel- that the relationship ends when you no longer have anything to learn from each other #he KNOWS there's still more him and Julian can learn from each other #he knows there's more Julian can learn from HIM #but Julian doesnt go beyond that moment #and then well. we see Julian isnt spending much time with Garak at this point #so is that how Garak is seeing this? Julian ending their relationship? #leaving it incomplete? #god no wonder he's so mad #this is making me insane im chewing on this insight into Garak's mind #again. Andrew Robinson when I get you