#but like if you call me a louie larrie or a harrie larrie or anything adjacent to that: simply do not

[zot3-flopped]

It’s insane how the love for Louis is solely dependent on him being closeted, whether you’re a Larrie or Louie.

As soon as I stopped being a Larrie…I lost interest in Louis. His music was never good, however the lyrics were always good “Larry material”. He’s definitely not attractive. He’s also an alcoholic, can’t remember his lyrics, has underage fans grope him, no manners in interviews, has toxic masculinity, etc.

Harry on the other hand, there’s a lot to love about him. He’s a charismatic and entertaining performer and he makes great music. So even tho I’m no longer a Larrie I’m still a Harry fan, and that applies to a lot of people. However if Louis said “I’m straight and have a child, please stop being my fan if you believe otherwise”…he’ll have maybe 3 people show up to his tour.

I’m just confused on how I thought they were together for so long. I remember you posted about Louis liking to watch a show called Bargain Hunt; never heard of that so i looked it up on youtube and I couldn’t believe it. It was the most vapid show made for people 50+ to pass the time, definitely not for a young man.

Compared to Harry who watches artistic films & reads literature, I couldn’t imagine them having anything in common. On top of that, one eats healthy and works out, the other doesn’t. One is a perfectionist who respects his audience’s time, the other puts in no effort into performing. One helps fans comes out and dances with pride flags, the other ignored a fan with a sign that says “help me come out” and stomps on pride flags. Come on now.

They couldn't be more different. The only thing they have in common is their five years in 1d.

#👏👏👏👏 #louis tomlinson #harry styles #larries

[chai-hat-tea]

The lovely fellow desi @getawayheaven tagged me! Thank you ❤️✨

When did you become a Louie?

Don’t really remember, but I know I started with Niall and moved to Harry. I remember seeing a bad pic of Louis and I thought that he doesn’t look good and then when I read that one article that called him ugliest and least successful among his fellow band mates I instantly developed a soft spot for him. Then got into the Larry rabbit hole and LOVED Larry, but still leaned towards Harry. And then one day suddenly, I have the maddest crush on Louis. I don’t know how that happened, but yeah I’m not going back :P

2. Your earliest fandom memory?

One Direction fandom is definitely WMYB on the radio. Had no idea who the boys were, but enjoyed their songs a lot. Then 10 years of 1D and that’s how I got into the fandom! 

Larry fandom is because of that controversial book that got published and then at first I was a neutral before I watched the X factor diaries. I think by then I was a Larrie. 

Louis, I remember the wild thing he did during the 1st anniversary of walls.

3. Your favourite song (one off walls, one off fitf)?

Maaaan this is HARD. 

Walls - especially this. I have perfect now, only the brave and fearless tattooed on me sooo I think it’s a given? But also any song from this album just gives me so much joy. 

FITF - I frankly didn’t like the album in first listen, but then it’s something that totally grew on me. Greatest, Written all over your Face and Lucky Again are amazing songs!!

4. Favourite music video?

I enjoy his videos from pre Walls and walks because they had a story to them, and even if it felt straightforward, I could see there was more to it? 

5. Favourite gig?

Haven’t attended any because I’m in India, so nothing has been as exciting as attending it in person would’ve been. So I do like most of them, but I definitely dislike the ones that had anything to do with stunts. 

6. Favourite Louis hair?

Hmmmm I’m not able to recollect now but he’s had excellent hair styles except for one. I don’t want to mention that for obvious reasons 😂😂

7. Favourite Louis interview?

The one where he put the Australian reporter in his place was sexy as fuck 😂😂 but I also like the one where they asked him about the colour of his eyes and he looked like the smuggest bitch ever 😂

8. Suit louis or tank top louis?

Yes. 

9. Favourite Louis tattoo?

It is what it is, because I have it tattooed on me too. 

10. Favourite Louis body part? (c'mon we all have one!)

Just plain love and admiring - his eyes. Man I could get lost in them. 

Sweet lovey dovey - his tummy

Full blown slutty - collarbones and fingers. 🫠 (yeah I have a mad crush on him if it wasn’t obvious. BUT he belongs to Harry so please don’t come at me ✌️)

I definitely want to tag @beardyboyzx and @thinlinez for this!!!! 

#tag games

[seasurfacefullofclouds1]

The worst part about that man having a meeting and buying fish just after Fizzy's death is that larries were like poor Harry he had to do the pap walks so that Louis can grieve in peace. I was very new to the fandom and to my own disgust,i believed it for a while even though it didn't sit right with me i was like these people are his fans i'm sure they know better and i didn't see one person disagreeing so i was like maybe i'm the crazy one? I didn't know any solo louie back then unfortunately

They always whitewash that man and turn him into a victim instead of the asshole he is and unfortunately it works every time. I came to my senses after a while and since then, that man has only proved me right. The thing is i didn't even like him or his music back then. I joined the fandom after seeing Louis on the X factor and he grabbed my attention so i joined his fandom but larries were inescapable so i forced my self to check it out and fell down the Larry rabbit hole. i listened to Harry's album once and called it a day. I didn't like his music and he screamed fake to me but i admit i shipped them bc of the earlier videos. But i'm still disgusted with myself for not calling these people out and letting them make someone's grief about someone else and using it as a tool for their fantasies. My only excuse is that i was a naive 18-year-old at the time who got manipulated easily but still. I still feel guilty about it How can they sleep at night (especially the creepy old ones) when they're adults who not only believe but promote these ideas that harm Louis in the worst possible ways to their (young) followers is beyond me. I'll never forgive them for making me even entertain the idea of something like that (even for a moment). I know i was at fault but i know myself that shit would've never came to my mind if they didn't put it to the world as a non negotiable. I hate them sm i hope they rot in hell along with their precious Hazza princess

Thank God solo Louie fandom has flourished since then!

Also : for all those baby Larries running back and forth between my blog and Larries: you won’t find anything to like here. Save your tears.

#sad truth is #they won #along with Harry and Harries #the road to morality does not bend to justice actually #Harry and all his enablers won #but nonetheless #anons like this give me hope in the world #it isn’t all dark

[alltheselights]

I’m a solo Louie, a “rad” according to a lot of larries and harries (who call me that), and I don’t hate Harry. I don’t particularly love a lot of his solo music and haven’t been a huge fan of his solo career rollout in terms of how it treated the other boys from One Direction and some other things, but I don’t talk about him negatively or interact with negative posts about him. I know solo Louies like me, who don’t talk about Harry, negatively or otherwise, and yet we’re all called “rads” as a pejorative term. It is this kind of treatment which fuels the solo Louie fear and belief that we’re not wanted by larries in the fandom. Solo Louies are outnumbered by larries and so can get bullied out of the fandom, as has happened to people I know in the Louie fandom, and not just by solo harries but also by people who claim to be larries. I know that larries get bullied by solo harries as well, since solo harries outnumber larries in that fandom. I also know there are solo Louies who really don’t like Harry and post about it but even they tend to stay on their own blogs or twitter accounts rather than insert themselves to be negative on posts praising or loving Harry (and I’m not saying all because like in any fandom, there are people who take things too far and who should just keep it to themselves but don’t and that’s included solo Louies), but I often get solo harries in my inbox or reblogging my posts just to say cruel and hurtful things about Louis and about me as a person for liking Louis. I also have gotten people who I think are larries doing the same (for being a solo Louie who doesn’t follow Harry as well in that case). For some people, it seems to be radical or weird to like and support Louis and not anyone else from One Direction or see him as a solo artist.

I’m not saying you or all larries are like that but it doesn’t help the divide among Louis’ fans. It doesn’t help that solo Louies see larries who spread headcanons that Louis doesn’t actually want a solo career, he should just continue supporting Harry for the rest of his life, who want to punish him when he doesn’t do things they want (things that will definitely affect Louis when his career has been sabotaged the way it has), who tweet that maybe Louis deserved that fractured elbow after boyfriends was sung, who so obviously prefer Harry they don’t even support Louis’s music or as a person outside of Larry.

I’m not trying to start anything but seeing these things doesn’t help the solo Louie view of most larries. I know harries think larries prefer Louis but that doesn’t fit with what I have seen. Louie-larries seem to honestly like and support Harry, harrie-larries really don’t show much support for Louis outside of the ship. You may not post this and that is your choice as it is your blog. I think I just wanted to explain some of the solo Louie side of things. There’s bad behaviour on all sides - and the people who base their support of Louis around Elounor or him being straight can be as bad as the worst of the larries - but it does hurt to see larries, who are meant to be fans of Louis, dismiss him, dismiss the work he has put into a career marred by so many setbacks it is amazing he kept trying. And some of those larries really just seem to wish he didn’t, that he stayed a possible shadow in a box rather than releasing his own music and going on his own tour. Even now, there are Larries spreading harmful headcanons about this leak and these are big larries in the fandom. It just seems that a lot of the big larries are very much biased toward Harry and in a way which puts down Louis as an individual, and it does spoil the Louie view of larries. I know solo Louies who struggle with larries because of those type of larries often being the loudest voice, where it does feel like even valid criticism of Harry is turned back onto Louis. Louis is definitely not perfect but neither is Harry and it’s like certain larries can’t allow criticism of Harry or his actions and so bring up things as a way to hurt Louis, bring up how Louis disappoints them too.

(Part 1)

(Part 2 of the previous ask)

I don’t think all larries are like that but it can be hard to point that out when some larries just seem to almost want to hurt and blame Louis, or see him only as the supportive partner to Harry. Or maybe it’s just the louder voices in the larrie fandom which say those things. Again, I know this might not be posted, it’s very long and I’m sorry for that, and I also hope I didn’t offend you. Enjoy Louis’ coming festival performances!

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said. That’s why I don’t engage in those behaviors, why I don’t follow some of those people in the fandom, and why I speak out against a lot of things that my corner of the fandom does despite the fact that it’s made me a bit of a pariah among Larries. Unfortunately, I’ve found that the most insane voices in the fandom tend to be the loudest these days. There are several with really large followings both here and on Twitter that I actually think have irrevocably damaged our corner of the fandom, as dramatic as that may sound. Like I don’t think there’s ever going back.

It’s honestly making me want to take a step back because it’s exhausting to feel angry about what people are saying about Louis especially. It is a lot of reducing Louis to his relationship, inventing headcanons about his and Harry’s relationship that are constantly unequal and often rooted in fanfiction preferences rather than reality, blaming him for his closet, and claiming that every single thing that he does or says is a lie or a conspiracy or something that relates back to Harry or his relationship. A great example is the absolute batshit bigger bloggers who today and yesterday are claiming that these leaks are intentional for Louis despite all the evidence to the contrary. And you know, you do see some of these people engaging in these behaviors with Harry as well and it’s equally frustrating, but I definitely don’t think he is treated as horribly as Louis or reduced to his relationship as often as Louis is. 

I’ve been here since 2012 and I’ve gotta tell you, much of the Larrie fandom of today is not one that I recognize and that’s very upsetting to me because Louis and Harry deserve better. It’s not everybody - and thank god for that - but it’s way too many people and like I said, it is the loudest and most popular voices, which is a huge problem. It makes me and others I know feel very out of place and uncomfortable because we don’t want to be grouped in with some of the people who so often represent “Larries” in the eyes of other fan groups.

Also, I do wish that different groups of fans would just co-exist in the fandom and especially that Larries and solo Louies would stop exchanging insults every day. I can see both sides because some Larries DO reduce Louis and his career to his relationship often (and again, they are the loudest which makes the rest of us look bad), but some solo Louies DO say really vicious, unnecessary things about Harry or the other boys when they could just shut up. It’s very frustrating that anybody who just stans Louie is reduced to being a “rad” even if they’re not at all hateful toward Harry because that is dismissive of people who are simply just fans of Louis’ only, as if that’s some impossible reality. I even got called a rad the other night just because I said one particular Larrie theory doesn’t make sense to me, which is um. Insane. A lot of solo Louies were never even fans of One Direction or the other boys, and they don’t talk about any of them, but they’re just lumped in with the rest. I’ve never understood that and it’s why I don’t use that silly terminology. I follow some solo Louies that don’t talk about Harry at all. They’re just here for Louis and that’s cool.

So anyway, yes, I can understand your side and I don’t disagree with a lot of your points. The fandom drama between different sides is exhausting and annoying and honestly, most fandom stuff these days is just ugly. And that makes me sad because this used to be a really fun place to be.

#asks

[ishipmutualrespect]

Have you seen Louie solo’s recently shipping him and Fin. They are even dm’ing Fin directly to ask if he’s Louie’s boyfriend but yet then they call Larries delusional 🤣

Yeah I saw that 🙄 it’s like Harry and his personal trainer all over again 💀💀💀

Honestly when people are bored they come up with the weirdest things

I only hope that I won’t start receiving plenty of anons telling me that “they are for sure together you’ll see, you’re delusional,…” 🙄

Anyways if I will receive them my answer is gonna be the same I gave for Brad: I don’t care 😂😂😂 but they won’t be happy because you won’t believe it but they replied to me telling me that I don’t care about anything I only care about being delusional

#😅

[berlinini]

In adavance I’m so sorry for this long ass bs I just have had so much on my mind lately and need to vent .

As someone who was recently larrie but has stepped away from that one thing I am gonna say is that not everything Louie’s say about larries is always right, one thing I will say is that there is a large portion of the larrie fandom that favours Louis, (I was one of them) hence why now I’m a solo louie it was never an aesthetic or some cute thing for me I’ve always been in Louis’ lane from 2010 when they were made a band, (I didn’t become a larrie until 2018 when I re-entered the fandom) one of the biggest flaws with the 1D fandoms, ot5/4’s is that if you are a fan of multiple of the boys you cannot have a favourite you have to support them all equally and the reality of it is for many that this is just not possible it’s one of the reasons I never called myself an ot5/4 (I also don’t trust them what with the downfall of Liam this year and people acting all cool and claiming they never streamed his music I just know some of them are fake ass liars and don’t stream Louis) purely because I knew I would never support the others like I support Louis, so I listen to some of them and their music, sure but that’s pretty much as far as that will go with relation to other boys. So that’s a huge flaw because people within ot5/4’s fandom and then even the subfandoms expect equal support which is just never gonna be given unfortunately, now I’m not making excuses I’m just trying to show that nuance and balance is never a possible thing among a fandom like this that has far too many opinions and fandoms.

So much about the larrie fandom has bothered me for years, the caring more about proving Louis and Harry are together rather than just listening to what they have to say/sing the digging around in the backgrounds of interviews to prove they were in the same location, the accusing them of lying constantly (yes they do it to both of the boys, a lot more to Louis because unfortunately he’s had the burden of denying things and having to lie over the last 12 years all while Harry has sat back and never confirm nor denied anything) oddly enough his lack of denial or confirmation somehow makes larries trust Harry and what he says more than Louis, but I took a step away from larrie Twitter and made a solo louie account recently just before FITF dropped actually I kept my larrie account cause a part of me still rooted for L&H but honestly since the whole promo for FITF (not to mention FITF has very little of any songs that link to Harry) started my viewpoint on Larry crumbled, there was so much but the biggest thing was everytime Louis dropped something or something positive happened for him boom there HSHQ were dropping another kind of bomb whether it be a new single release, a new music video or the bloody holivia breakup dropping the same day just an hour or so after Louis got his first ever solo no.1 in the UK and guess what it completely drew away the entirety of the attention of this amazing milestone for Louis and shifted the focus to Harry yet again (as I said balance is not realistic when it’s a fandom trying to balance liking and supporting 2 artists equally & his team time things just right after something with Louis happens never before not to mention Louis had like no coverage of the no.1 but guess what holivia breakup articles were everywhere funny that) and it was after that I completely lost my patience with the fandom and with Harry and his team. While I don’t think Harry directly makes these decisions to do these things he definitely doesn’t stop his team from doing them and that is enough for me to be fed up. At first I thought it was odd and would get sus when something would happen with Louis and right behind something would happen with Harry but I thought that it may have been a coincidence but something that many larries will often say is ‘there are no coincidences in this fandom’ who knew that would come back to haunt larries, so yeh after that I was like yeh there are no coincidences that being that there is a blatant effort from Harry’s team to overshadow everything Louis does. Some people may shake it off but I just can’t anymore whether it’s from Harry or not he’s ignorant (or atleast acting ignorant) towards it and I don’t like it I just lost so much respect for him lately and don’t understand how people can’t see the obvious coincidences between them. They’re promo nearly always has overlapped, Harry’s album released back in May with one single it’s not a coincidence they waited until the last quarter of the year to release a 3rd single. The difference in morals is another thing I’ve noticed, while you have Louis on one end saying things like ‘ticket prices are too high and I don’t want to bring in a certain crowd’ to Harry who blatantly again is ‘ignorant’ to the cost of his concerts you’ve also got Louis being thoughtful of fans trying to include them in everything always thanking us (he’s literally written songs for the fandom or been inspired by the fandom for songs!) and then you’ve got Harry who well, walked into oncoming traffic to escape fans 💀 (and yes I understand neither of them owes us anything I actually agree wholeheartedly sometimes I think we don’t deserve the love we get from Louis) but in the end we do get it and I feel if they truly were ‘so perfect for eachother’ their actions would reflect that and well one of them isn’t reflecting that at all.

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#answered ask #anon #i didn't want to post this sorry sdladjsalkjda #but then i thought you typed all this and it wouldn't be fair #so here it is #weeks later #as i clean up my ask box #this blog is a safe space to bash larries and harry #larries

[mindthebulletso]

do you think louis is a dad? if i do i think i should read bbg masterpost, ik you’re not a larry but harry hasn’t rlly got anything to do with it. so are u a no stunt louie

I'm not sure I understand but still no I'm not a no Stunt Louie. Believe Me 😂😂

Please don’t call me Louie Never Again 😇

I hate all these new label. I think it is a useless waste of time to define myself, in general, and in this specific topic because a definition for me probably does not exist

( I have many many many unpopular opinions)

I was a Larrie but then I stopped being one mainly because I lost interest in Harry Styles and I could no longer support his career choices..

as for Dad!Louis it doesn't really matter what I think happened, it's happening, it's going to happen. But I can tell you that from any point of view you look at this .. I don't like it.

🚒 halfway between ridicule and mockery 🚑

If you want to explain to me what you mean by “Harry hasn’t got anything to do with It” I will gladly read what you think.. 👋

#louis tomlinson #louis tomlinson world tour #lt2 era #lt world tour #larries #louies #harry styles #louis and harry

[causticsunshine]

okay i'm gonna say something and i just know someone's gonna get mad at me or send me shit and say i'm not actually a fan, whatever, but i've been feeling some sort of way about this for awhile and it lowkey really pisses me off that not enough people i see are talking about it, so i'm going to bite the bullet and say it—

louis not wearing his mask when talking to and meeting fans, even when he's just walking around outside venues or when has popping out of his recording space to wave hello, is not okay and has not been okay and he's not been getting the call-outs he deserves.

i know he's got to be vaccinated and likely boostered already but seeing as how this whole tour was already put on hold for like, two years because of the pandemic that's still going around and still has people—including his fans, his band, tour crew, venue workers, everyone??—required to wear masks out in public and around other people, vaccinated or otherwise, and he just isn't wearing his mask around them when we see him (especially when security and his tour mates and crew are next to him wearing their masks??)....it's both super unsafe to him and other people, as well as super fucking disappointing to see.

like, it's been two years of this shit. we've been doing it. it's not new and it's not regional. i don't care when or if or even how vaccinated a person is—if you're out and about, keep your fucking mask on and keep your distance.

a huge reason as to why we have to keep on wearing our masks and dragging this shit out is because there are far too many people out there being selfish and not being safe, not getting vaccinated, or got vaccinated and decided 'well i can't get sick so no mask for me hehe' when you can still get covid after you've been vaccinated, and even if you're asymptomatic or don't get sick, you can still get other people sick!

not only that, but doing shots with fans—even if they literally just went to buy the shots at the in-venue bar and handed one to him seconds after getting them—isn't a good idea right now? yeah it's very fun to watch and under normal circumstances i'd love to do a shot with louis! but it's still a risk and he shouldn't be doing that right now?

(and please correct me if i'm wrong because i very well could be, but don't some of the venues for this tour still have slightly looser restrictions? i could totally have the wrong information but i was talking with some friends about it recently when one of them pointed it out, so as far as i know this is still a thing.)

we all talk about how vocal and comfortable he is in expressing his gratitude and love for both fans and the people he works with, as well as making sure everyone feels safe and is safe in his company, such as properly halting things tonight in atlanta when so many people were overheating in the pit, so: why is there so much radio silence when he's willingly being less than safe?

yes, you could argue he does wear his mask and we just don't see it in the photos we've taken of or with him, but that's still leaving room for risk. that's still not enough.

and to people who think i'm being unnecessarily hypercritical of him and this issue, the reason why i'm saying something, why i'm so vocally disappointed and frustrated about this, is because i really fucking care.

after having to wait so long for his first proper solo tour, i really don't want him to cancel dates or cut things short in any way because he's gotten sick, someone key to his performing has gotten sick, etc. like, i can't even imagine how heartbreaking it must've been to keep having to push off this huge career leap because of a pandemic...

so why is he risking a repeat of that at all?

my relationship to louis up to this point—since like, 2011—has been entirely parasocial, but i've always had a strong connection to him. i've cared about him for so long and when i care about someone—and i'm really not someone who really cares about or takes real interest in celebrities of any kind or caliber—even in that distanced parasocial way, i care.

so when one of the few people i actually like does or says something that i don't agree with or poses some sort of issue with my morals, interests, etc., i'm not going to pretend it wasn't said or didn't happen. i'm willingly giving that person my support and my time—why would i be quiet?? i want them to be better!

criticizing the actions or words of someone you care about when there's inherently an issue with their behavior does not mean you like them any less and i don't think enough people take that into account, and why so much behavior from a lot of people goes unchecked when it shouldn't.

and it's not just louis; just in regards to 1d, i've openly criticized every member of the group at some point in time! call-outs to be better are a love language of mine and i take them very seriously!

(like i've already come and keep coming for liam's neck about the NFT shit, and louis isn't catching a break from me either in that regard.)

really what i'm trying to say here is:

considering this whole tour was pushed back because of covid, it genuinely frustrates and disappoints me to have seen louis already being so carelessly maskless when meeting people and going out before tour, but so especially on tour when he's not just consistently traveling to different cities but different countries and is going to be doing so for a majority of the year.

to see someone i've genuinely liked and cared about for oven ten years, who has a deserved rep for being profoundly vocal in his love and gratitude, do something so careless yet so fucking easily fixable as wearing a mask, breaks my heart, because wearing a mask isn't something out of his power or his control. if his crew, band, openers, etc., can wear their masks when around him and when out around fans and other people, so can he. there is no excuses to be made here.

no amount of money and status can make you immune to a worldwide super-spreader virus that's not just made millions of people sick and even given many lasting health issues, but actually taken millions of lives.

he needs to be better in this regard, and we need to actively hold him, and anyone else acting similarly, accountable. it doesn't mean we're being hypercritical or that we secretly don't care, are being mean, etcetera—rather, we all need to be held to the same standard, to be safe.

#ltwt22 #louis tomlinson #louis tomlinson world tour #covid 19 #1d #alex talks #like i already have a lot of issues with....far more of the fanbase (including louies harries even larries these days like i just don't #trust anyone anymore and the amount of fan behavior i see on all sides that makes me psychically recoil grows day by day) than i used to #like i only keep 'larrie' in my bio so people know who they're dealing with and i do love H and L singularly and together for various #often differing reasons bc my relationships and connections to the both of them are very unique #but like if you call me a louie larrie or a harrie larrie or anything adjacent to that: simply do not #the mental connotation i have for louies has become tainted just like it long since has for harries #yeah i cringe for different reasons and the two fanbases whether if you're a solo or otherwise have their own vibes completely but like #there's so much behavior i dislike and one of the 'louie' ones is constantly painting louis as this suffering underdog #who will literally die if he doesn't get shown praise and love and he's *actually* our friend instead of. the parasocial fan-artist #relationship we have with him like. idk mostly just letting him get away with things like this that anyone else would have their ass on #blast for idk

[bluewinnerangel]

Not trying to give you more stress or anything, I just want to call out the universe. This fan has a laurel polo.... was that necessary universe, was it?

Hahaha no these shits don't give me stress, not with this anyway. Aldjflahdlsfja I said it before and I'll say it again, Harry be like "you there yeah you with the laurel which means Larry by the way did you know it means Larry guys it means Larry shirt yeah you please take a picture with me"

Also that Louie shirt is back in rotation

Also

Louis: puts beige cap on cliff. Changes his mind and puts it on backwards bc it looks cooler.

Harry: proceeds to show up since wearing a beige cap backwards...

#I had fun putting this together #Pls don't take me too seriously it's just clothes don't come at me I have stress I don't need it #Byeere #gayvinci code #Or what was your tag lol #I forgot #Conspiracy fashion #??? Help

[hlbringmehome]

thanks marce @marrltt for tagging me xx

✩︎ what do you prefer to be called name-wise?

kody

✩︎ when is your birthday?

29 november

✩︎ where do you live?

aotearoa (new zealand)

✩︎ three things you're doing right now?

having an energy drink, downloading podcasts for my walk, filling this out (?) lmao

✩︎ four fandoms that have piqued your interest right now?

recently returned here (1d/harrie/louie), horror films (watched hereditary ln!), babysitters club (season 2 netflix is coming!), honestly thats me rn, cant think of a fourth!

✩︎ how is the pandemic treating you?

we are in our second lockdown here, we’ve been so blessed living in aotearoa that we have a strong government and national response to outbreak, i dont know anyone who’s had covid and only had a couple of scares! it’s been hard, emotionally, but im doing ok

✩︎ songs you can't stop listening to right now?

defenceless, sweet creature, kiwi (hl), loverboy (the front bottoms)

✩︎ recommend a movie

i watched hereditary last night! very good but quite scary so pls read content warnings if you decide to give it a go

✩︎ how old are you?

twenty three

✩︎ school, university, occupation, other?

i have one more paper left for my degree! graduating in december :) i currently work as a performing arts (dance/drama/singing) teacher, i have a bunch of gorgeous kids i teach from 3 year olds to 14 year olds! i love them sm!

✩︎ do you prefer hot or cold?

hot weather! i hate being cold 

✩︎ name one fact others may not know about you

i love doing laundry, boring, i know 

✩︎ are you shy?

yes, naturally very shy, but i’ve done a lot of work to be able to come out of my shell more

✩︎ do you have any preferred pronouns?

they/them 

✩︎ any pet peeves?

(when i was a kid i used to think this meant animals you didnt like lmao??) but people who are hypercritical of what others do

✩︎ rare your life 1-10. 1 being really crappy and 10 being the best you could ever be

big question - i’m gonna say 6, i’m a lot happier than i used to be, but there’s a lot i want to achieve, emotionally, financially, in my career

✩︎ what's your main blog?

@stfukody (u tagged me there too but i’ll just fill it in here!)

✩︎ list your side blogs and eat they're used for

i used to have a couple but not anymore

✩︎ is there anything you think people need to know about you before becoming friends with you?

i’m very sensitive and shy at first but i’m very loyal and i love my friends so much

tagging some mutuals (be my friend? no pressure to do this!)

@larrys-love-child  @sweetsmokelarrie @thosefookinavacados @holyshit @inbluehalove @hlhome28

#tag game! #thanks again marce for tagging me!! #youre so sweet #me

[essercipertuttienonperse]

Yeah, a lot of people who don’t think Harry’s straight think Harry was unrequitedly in love with Louis💀 I think that’s also why a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea of larry. They think Louis is straight and that it makes him uncomfortable. If Louis did anything(publicly) that would suggest he might not be straight, I think the dynamic will change very quickly. But also like you said, if they were so done with these rumors, they’d do anything to avoid it. Louis wouldn’t have put princess park in a song bc he knows what it will be connected to. He wouldn’t have done a cover of a song that literally starts with the word “Larry”. It doesn’t prove anything, of course, but if I was a straight guy who’s while life and relationships have been ruined by gay rumors with his ex band mate(like we’re told) I wouldn’t encourage those rumors lol, I’d literally do everything to avoid it. I would avoid buying 100 pieces of clothing that’s called Louie/Louis. Not bc or proves I’m in relationship with Louis Tomlinson lol, but bc I know fans will think so. HL’s and Lauren’s attitudes towards the rumors have always been very different

exactly!! or tell the chiken story AGAIN! and he's shown many times that he knows very well how we work and what we think, he definitely knows what he's doing sjfh i always think of that comment about how easier it would be to be a niall fan or when he said the fans 'put the pieces together' and are 'little detectives' and 'divided in cliques' lmao he knows even too much tbh sjdkgj so yeah as you said i think if he had been so bothered then he wouldn't have done a lot of things! the 7 cover really knocks me out every time ahshfjh and also i think louis *has* done things publicly that suggest he isn't straight (the polari shoot for example!) i think people think there's only one way of 'showing' that so they kinda turn a blind eye to everything else

#ask #anon #not talking about you #i mean in general #discourse tag

[seasurfacefullofclouds1]

hi sea, i might be having a fan identity crisis. because labels matter here for finding like-minded mutuals, how would you label me as a fan? and do you have any advice for me as i rethink some things?

i’m what you might call a larrie but it’s complicated. i think larry happened and stunts happened but don’t know and can only guess about what their relationship is like now. i just know i don’t know anything and that larry is not the core of my fan identity. anyway, i care more about louis’s music and career over anything else in this fandom. i’m at a point with harry where i don’t feel any emotional loyalty to him. and i think he’s knowingly chosen the greedy fuckers and has more power and choice than my larrie mutuals think… i’m not even going to get into the weird things about making everything about larry, harry vs louis treatment, and lack of participation by some larries when it comes to supporting louis’ music. i just want less of all that and more louis first fan things in my life. any advice or thoughts from you would be appreciated. thank you!

I don’t think you need any labels, nor do you need to tell anyone who asks. If they’re very curious, you can say, “I am a Louie but I also listen to Harry’s music,” and leave it at that.

Labels in this fandom can get ridiculously detailed, but that doesn’t really allow for change or fun.

[larriefails]

First off, I’m not a rad nor a larrie, I’m a louie who hates both. I was just commenting on that because I’ve been in the fandom since 2013 and the de facto leader comment not only came from the boys but also during a billboard interview. In the billboard interview, they highlighted how Louis was the one taking the business calls and talking to their team about certain things. Also it’s not completely impossible to believe that once the 1d train ran out the big producers/names didn’t care to +

Work with him, because he was no “harry styles” liam is the same he even said that Simon didn’t want him on his label as a solo artist despite him having a great rapport with him. But there were other times louis’ business contacts were brought to light such as when he went to the Brits in 2016 and a reporter commented on how he was constantly on his feet to greet big name record executives and businessmen. He has the connects in the business that’s all I was trying to state.

Look, 99% of the time when I reply to an anon “you sound like a conspiracy theorist” it’s not because I think they believe in Larrie or because they’re rads, it’s because they fucking reason like conspiracy theorists

And your reasoning here is just… conspiracy theory mess. I don’t care which parts of it you believe or not, I don’t care what your personal feelings on these specific sets of conspiracy theories are. It doesn’t matter, the point is that you’re reasoning like a conspiracy theorist

I was gonna put this in a separate post, but I think it fits here very well (I might still make a separate post about it who knows)

A few days ago, I saw this video on twitter of a woman talking about her own death like it was nothing in a very matter of factly way, wearing a wig and using a very funny tone. Someone in the replies linked to her IG page so I went to look at it, and when I saw comments telling her “thank you for accepting my follow request” I realized she was usually on private and I’d just been very lucky to find her profile to be open, so I followed her just in case with the intention of watching her funny videos later

Since she was a new follow she continuously appeared on my recent IG feed and I soon realized how relevant what she was saying was to my interests

This is the woman

One day she posted this, and my alarms went off

Let me clarify that I don’t care if she’s a professor or a therapist or not, I followed her because I thought she was funny and that she’d go on private soon, this was all a complete surprise to me. The DM rang close to home to me, seeing as I’ve read Larries for a while now, it was all too familiar, her reply was too

Then she posted this

Once again, I said it before and you can read it here X it doesn’t matter if she’s a professor or not, if their suspicions are real or not, if she’s lying or not, because going through UCLA’s professor roll call is a step too far, and confronting her about it, even more so. And the way she presents it.. she’s right. She just linked the website, she never claimed to work there. If you go to her page, she’s very careful with the information she provides, so the people that want to prove she’s lying have very limited resources. They go with the preconception that she’s lying so they try to find ways to prove their preconception

You have the preconception that Louis was the de facto leader of 1D, so you’re working your way backwards to prove it. You’re looking at bits and pieces of interviews that will prove your theory right, but that’s just not what reality is

“The de facto leader comment not only came from the boys” .. no it didn’t, though? They didn’t say this. Do you know where the “the boys say Louis is the leader” comments come from? Stuff like this

Context for that interview? The Hot Desk, August 2011 X

One Direction had exactly ZERO songs out, this interview was recorded before they even released WMYB. All 5 of them had written on 3 songs of their first album that would come out in November. Savan Kotecha was still running the show. Louis was still 19 and he hadn’t been in show business for a year. How much of a leader that conducted business meetings do you think he was? I’m not gonna watch the entire interview to see the context, but this is not Zayn saying Louis was the de facto leader, this is Zayn kidding

What to even say about this, which is from the video diaries in X Factor?

Or this?

What? No, no they’re not, like, they’re just not, they’re standing in a circle and looking forward

This is just ridiculous

Does the person that created this gif set not realize that this is the performance where Louis doesn’t sing at all? It’s Torn at judges’ houses. It’s infamous for the fact that only Liam Harry and Zayn sang. This is all for dramatic effect because X Factor was a reality show

Louis liking motivation chants means he’s the leader? That he goes to business meetings? I’m so confused

That’s not because “he’s the leader” that’s because he’s the class clown

If accepting an award means he’s the leader then I guess this meme fits 1D very well

They all accepted awards, Christ

Anyway….

And that’s an entire gif set that was solely engineered to show that Louis was the leader and that “the boys said so”…. but they actually didn’t? The only two times it comes up they answer jokingly and it’s before Louis could do anything remotely leader like. But that gif set is so popular, created by a Larrie but that spilled out to the general fandom enough that I saw it on my dash reblogged by non CT blogs X

And it created this notion among some people, especially those who have Louis as their fave, that the other members of 1D had in fact said that Louis was the de facto leader, when they didn’t. It’s conspiracy talk, scouring through hundreds of MILLIONS of milliseconds of footage to pick 9 of them and put them in a gif set to prove a point they’d already decided on

There are also three news articles linked (copying and pasting directly from the source, sorry for the weird formatting idk how to take it off)

1: That’s the number of hotel rooms in Mexico City used for dance rehearsals. The guys locked down a room for three hours. Louis took control of the rehearsals and even helped conceptualize some of the routine.

That’sabout 1D learning the choreography for Best Song Ever

How exactly does it prove that Louis is the de facto leader for him to take over 1 dance rehearsal when everyone in 1D had confessed they couldn’t dance a million times at that point? Louis had some musical theater experience, so that’s that..

Harry: Louis is still loud and mischievous - he likes to test the boundaries. He’s quite outspoken. You need someone like that, because he’s great at standing up for us as a band.

That’s perhaps the most “leader like” comment any of them have ever made about Louis, and it’s not really about him being a leader once you put it by itself instead of surrounding it by “look at all the times they said he was the leader,” right? It’s just more of a testament about the fact that Louis was louder than the rest, which we already knew. If someone had asked me six months into my journey in the fandom who I thought was the loudest in band meetings I would’ve said Louis. That doesn’t mean he’s the leader. A leader has SO many more characteristics than being loud and outspoken. In fact, a lot of leaders aren’t loud or outspoken at all

The last link they put is once again, what How I Met Your Mother explained as the cheerleader effect X which taken away from the time period sounds quite misogynistic but let’s not dwell on that. Basically, it’s when a group of women appear hot when they’re all together but not individually. When you have the gif set all together, it looks like “wow, these are hot arguments as to why EVERYONE thought Louis was the leader,” but look at them individually, see their context and they’re not as hot now, are they? Especially when you realize, once again, that these are very very small morsels of time taken from very very large portions. That’s how Larries operate

Several people in your management and inner circle have described you to me as the unofficial businessman or leader of the group. Is that a fair assessment? I’ve sometimes felt like that, but to be honest most of the time I’m the immature one who needs to be told to get focused. I’m a bit of a perfectionist so I have to be kind of be on board with every minor detail and [I’m] quite opinionated.

And that last link is also the Billboard interview you mention in your ask. Do you know when it’s from? December 2012. One Direction had just released Take Me Home, their second album, which according to the interview that Larries love the most to base their sabotage conspiracies, didn’t very much involve 1D’s input at all

Savan Kotecha: I think by album 3 (Midnight Memories), yeah, not all of them, there was definitely one or two-one especially-that was like, kind of bitter about the fact, that, you know

Ross Golan: They were a boyband?

Savan Kotcha: And he was not the talented one. He wasn’t the singer, and he wasn’t the star. And you know which one I’m talking about…

Ross Golan: Of course.

Savan Kotecha: And he then started having something against me and against that process, I think. And, you know, maybe we could have been more inviting in the creative process during album 2 (Take Me Home) and not been so…authoritative.

At that point, Louis STILL wasn’t in a position where he could really be the leader. None of them were because the creative process wasn’t inviting still. It wouldn’t be until the third album

The conclusion here isn’t that Louis isn’t outspoken, or that he didn’t care about business or that he didn’t defend the band, or that he didn’t want to write more, or that he didn’t want to make connections. No one here is arguing that he didn’t care at all or not giving him credit for anything. The point I‘ve been making for days now and that people don’t seem to get (one way or another, because I’ve gotten very unpleasant messages about how he’s not equipped to be a businessman and shit like that that I’ve just decided not to publish at all), is that things don’t have to be black and white

I don’t think ANYONE was the leader of 1D. I think that Louis’ personality made him stand out more in certain aspects (such as meetings with their team), and because people need to label everything all the time, instead of describing it as it was, it took the position of “de facto leader”

The problem here isn’t even that people believe he’s the de facto leader, that wouldn’t concern me at all in and of itself because who cares? It’s not hurting anyone… The problem is that it puts an excessive amount of weight on Louis’ shoulders, I also explained this. It’s this dichotomy of a person who basically carried the whole band during its five years but that also is completely defenseless and at the mercy of binding contracts to even choose the socks he wears

These sort of preconceptions aren’t harmful by themselves, they wouldn’t be harmful in a normal band. I wouldn’t have a problem with this preconception if Louis was Calum Hood and this was 5SOS, my problem is that this is One Direction and preconceptions and conspiracies have tormented these guys for YEARS. No conspiracy and no preconception is innocent, they all have to be dismantled, we have to examine EVERYTHING that leads to absolutes if we want a chance at healing the fandom, and I don’t mean the 1D fandom because that’s gone now, it’s never gonna heal, I mean Louis’ specifically

If we want a chance at him being left alone from Larries these things have to go. Stop seeing him as this commodity that you can just paint over and start seeing him as a person, not a caricature

That interview also doesn’t say anything about him taking any calls business or otherwise. I don’t think anyone has ever said it and I have no idea where it came from because I’ve found zero sources. The interview doesn’t mention him “talking about certain things“ either, it’s just what I pasted here. That’s all of it. Everything else comes from years and years of stretching this one question out of this one interview done when Louis was still 20 and 1D had less than 2 years in the music industry. It’s no exactly the smoking gun y’all think it is, guys. Same with the Savan Kotecha podcast

Then the rest of what you say is just noise, man. IDK what to tell you. It’s just noise. If Louis had ran the show BTS for five years, then he’d have access to the best producers and writers on speed dial, why would he not being Harry Styles hinder how he’s perceived by the people that work backstage? They’d recognize the person that was “the backbone of 1D” for who he is because those things spread in the business. If LOUIS said that wasn’t happening, then it’s because your preconception was wrong and you took a bunch of things out of context to create a “narrative” that simply wasn’t real. Louis was dedicated to the band and wanted to write for it and involve himself in the creative side and he GENUINELY WAS IMPORTANT for the band, but he wasn’t its backbone or its de facto leader

Simon didn’t wantt Liam on his label probably because he couldn’t afford him, btw. He decided to stick with Louis because they’ve been thick as thieves since 2014 and those contracts cost money and Syco is a very small label with very limited resources, so they couldn’t offer anything to more than one member. I’m  aware that I’m making assumptions here, but they very much align with reality, especially now that Syco lost so many other acts and now that Fifth Harmony disbanded and Syco landed only Lauren (Camila being like Zayn) and having to leave Ally, Dinah, and Normani go to other labels. That doesn’t mean they saw no value in them (in fact, I think Lauren is the one faring the worst), it’s just that they can only afford so much

And how much can you grin on one report written by the HUFFINGTON POST in 2016?X I’m talking about the “Louis hugged industry people that one time” comment you made. Once again, I’m not saying he doesn’t know anyone. I’m saying I BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS. If he says he can’t easily get the producers and writers he wants, then I’m going to believe him. And that one report doesn’t really change anything for me. It’s, once again, very conspiracy theorist behavior to put more weight on an isolated report from an untrustworthy source three years ago than on Louis’ own words. If he really had enough reach to be friendly with everyone in the industry, then he’d be able to get any producer he wants

You can’t have this dichotomy that you present in this very ask of “they’re not picking up the phone because he’s Harry Styles” but he was the de facto leader of the biggest band on the planet for five years and everyone in the music industry knows him. It just doesn’t mesh together. You’re placing him in the same impossible position Larries are placing him and that’s harmful. He needs fans that see him as a person and you, I’m sorry to tell you, do not. You see him as a caricaturesque figure that can both be incredibly important and incredibly subjugated

“He has the connects in the business is all I was trying o state” 1. no that’s not all you were trying to state. 2. According to himself, he doesn’t have all the connects. He’s clearly close enough to be friendly with Rob Stringer, but that doesn’t mean that Rob Stringer will lift a finger for him and according to Louis, he’s not.. But that doesn’t mean that Louis can’t get ANYONE or that he’s being sabotaged. As always, truth lies somewhere in the middle. The only reason it’s harder to spot in this case is that people stretch it on every possible side so much

I know this is long as fuck and I probably lost any person that was willing to read my drivel in the first place, but I just really think it’s important that you start taking what LOUIS SAYS ABOUT LOUIS as fact, instead of twisting it around to present alternative facts that would present a reality that will please you more. It starts at “Louis was the de facto leader” and it ends as “he’s been faking fatherhood for three years and lied about his mother’s last few days” Sick..

#debunked #leader Louis

[twelvedaysinaugust]

this is the anon who said you should delete your blog. the other ask or any other wasn't by me (aka i never called you sad and pathetic because i wouldn't do that). i suggested you step away for your own good. focus on the things that you do like because you clearly don't like louis much. is it helping your mental health, running this blog? i bet it isn't. so put yourself first and once you step away for a few months you'll see things clearer.

Maybe I should. It was fun at first, but it's not sparking joy anymore.

I- I really do like Louis. I just feel like there's a lot that is swept under the rug and never talked about, no matter what side of the fandom you're on. And clearly, I don't fit neatly into any faction of this fandom. To Rads, I'm a Larrie (and now a formal addition to the blocklist). But Larries won't have me because I think Louis is a father and I doubt H/L are together in 2022 (if they ever were at all). Literally, all I do on this blog is answer asks. I have not followed anyone or reblogged anything; let alone harass or criticize other bloggers. And for what it's worth, I've rarely talked about Harry - which is more than most Louie blogs can say.

[kingsofeverything]

without fanfic, i wouldn’t still be here. 

without fanfic, i wouldn’t have made 98% of the friends i’ve made in this fandom.

without fanfic, i wouldn’t have a place to go when things get bad in the fandom.

fanfic (and fanart, but fic since i write it) connects me to fandom even when i can’t stand to look at my dash. it keeps me here when otherwise i’d have deleted my blog and left the fandom.

below the cut are some thoughts...

there are so many people who have left this fandom for one reason or another. i’ve come close a few times. what keeps me here are the things that make me happy. 

real life is sometimes shitty and, more often than not, when i open tumblr, it’s because i need a break. being told in a roundabout way that i’m a fake fan or that i’m not louie enough or that i’m too much of a harrie or too much of a larrie or that i don’t care enough or that i think of louis as an accessory or that i only care about louis as a part of ‘larry’.... is fucking annoying, to be frank. 

as an official old person, i’ve sort of been there and done that with making friends online. in the past, i’ve been active in forums, in myspace groups, etc etc etc etc. i’ve made friends online and i’ve met them irl, i’ve made friends online and talked to them over chats or fb or email, i’ve made friends online and we’ve fallen out of touch and never spoken again. i’ve never in my life made friends the way that i have in this fandom. and i feel so lucky for this.

i stay here because of 1d, fanfic, and friends.

last tuesday, my grandmother died. she had alzheimer’s and over the last few years, i watched her change from a strong, stubborn, talented, amazing person, to basically a shell. it was long and drawn out and at the end it was a death watch. when she passed, it was a relief. 

explaining death to children is difficult. grief is such a personal thing and everyone deals with it in their own way and that includes kids, so not only am i dealing with my own grief (my grandmother and i were close), i am handling 4 kids’ grieving processes as well. and they are all different. i’ve got a kid who can’t get to sleep at night, a kid who keeps having bad dreams, a kid who hasn’t seemed to be bothered at all until he told me “mom, if you die before me, i’ll never stop crying and i’ll be sad forever”, and i’ve got a kid who keeps locking himself in his room and trying to sleep until noon. 

from july 2017 until last month, i lived in a camper with my 4 kids while my house was being worked on. the renovation of my house strained my marriage, my relationship with my parents, and my already tenuous relationship with my sister. 

before we moved into the camper last summer, i had surgery to remove an ovarian cyst that was 4″ in diameter. then my incisions got infected. then the infection wouldn’t clear. while this was going on, we were moving out of our house and into the camper.

about a year ago, my godfather died, after more than a decade of battling prostate cancer. he was my dad’s best friend for more than 40 years, and he played guitar and sang at my wedding. after the funeral service, i found out that my baby sister basically hates me, thinks i’m a horrible person, calls me a puppet master, and doesn’t want anything to do with me. 

the day before easter, my youngest son, who was 4 1/2 at the time, had his first seizure. he has since been diagnosed with epilepsy, and though he’s had both an eeg and an mri, they still don’t know why. as he adjusted to the meds for his seizures, he would be overcome with rage and lash out at anyone. it was honestly scary af.

in the midst of all of this, i struggle with depression every single day. meds and therapy help, but it’s still there. and i still have my day to day life - homeschooling my 4 kids, chores, errands, my puppies, trying not to lose myself in the role of ‘mom and wife’, while still taking care of everyone, and myself. 9 times out of 10, i fall to the bottom of my list of priorities.

a lot of what i’ve said here, i’ve posted about before. i’ve made tag posts mostly because i know that not everyone cares about me irl. but i wanted to put this down as a real post. 

i’m not actually looking for sympathy or anything, the point of all of this is that i am just one person. one single person in this entire fandom. every other person here has problems of their own. and it’s unfair for anyone to judge anyone else here for the way that they participate in this fandom. 

louies especially should take this to heart because louies are leaving this fandom faster than anyone else (in my opinion), and to alienate louies and/or louie larries because you think they aren’t acting the way you think they should or that they aren’t sad enough or upset enough or whatever.... it’s shit like this that pushes people out of fandom. 

would you rather have X number of fans who participate in fandom, vote for louis, tweet for louis, support louis’ charity drives, support louis in general, but don’t always blog about the negative things, or would you rather we all leave? 

idek if this post makes sense. i was up late with one kid and then another one got in my bed at like 4am, so it’s been a Day already and it’s not even noon. 

#* #y'all make me sad and angry #and that sucks #thank jibbers for my friends #personal #fandom bs #i may delete this later #bracing for hate

[cowboylikedean]

honestly? i’m tired so i’m just going to truth spill

the worst part about the larries for me isn’t their harrassment of innocent people including  b a b i e s.

no... the worst part about the larries is that whenever louis does anything - and i mean A N Y T H I N G, real fans like me have to put up with “controversy” where it does not exist.

 like today we find cute pictures of this man going out to dinner with his girlfriend for her birthday in amsterdam. and i have to deal with both claims of a “gay club” or “the gay part of town” (which like OMFG STOP) and claims of possible drug use because amsterdam??? 

and here i am wanting to celebrate that we’re officially in the calendar week of the release of back to you - the song that made a label exec fight for him - and all the cute smiley pictures from last night and i gotta put up with this shit.

and it’s like all. the. time. like sometimes (and by sometimes i mean all the time), i just wish that being a fan of louis was half as simple as being a fan of the other 3 members of this band (INCLUDING HARRY). because even harry can go out without all this shit.

and i hear people saying “well harry couldn’t if he had a girlfriend” and maybe so... but a) that isn’t all the larries and you fucking know it (looking at you non-larrie nasties with shipping preferences... looking at you) and b) louis can’t go out alone without shit like this

like literally every time we see louis at a club there’s got to be a reason that i see from the larries all over my dash and i see refuted by the antis all over my dash and like......

it’s way harder to be a fan of louis’ and i know people personally that have been driven away from calling themselves louies and following louie blogs because it’s so much work and it gets exhausting and i just.....

this is the worst part of the larries.

#larries #i'm so TIRED #i just want to love louis without all this bullshit