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theforgottengreatpoem · 9 months

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I haven't always been a demon.

(Crowley as Raphael season 2 hints)

#good omens #crowley #good omens 2 #gos2 spoilers #hey guys I made a thing #First gifset!!#crowley is raphael #mine #edited #muriel #angel crowley

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goodomens-girlie · 1 month

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Crowley in the 70s vs Freddie Mercury in the 70s

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choco-youmi · 9 months

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To "Crowley is Raphael" theorists and people who headcannon it

You always show them like this....

but hear me out......

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk :)

#good omens 2 #good omens season 2 #good omens season two #good omens crowley #anthony j crowley #good omens #crowley is raphael #crowley #Good omens Raphael #headcanon #good omens headcanons #Good omens HC #angel!crowley #raphael!crowley

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tinkerty-tonk-i-said · 9 months

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[Text, an edited version of a tweet saying "my husband is doing this new thing where he stops mid-special-interest-acceleration to say "i am about to autism all over you. about stars" and I put my things down and am like "yes please proceed, I am now listening, i am ready to learn about stars" and it feels very healthy"]

#pre fall crowley #good omens #ineffable husbands #good omens 2 #good omens season 2 #aziracrow #angel crowley #crowley is raphael #good omens spoilers

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thecrimsonbook · 7 months

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sometimes I identify with crowley so much it hurts...

#good omens #go2 #crowley #david tennant #aziraphale #crowly x aziraphale #crowley is raphael #mood

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ladyamaranta · 9 months

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just wanted to make a point about the Princes of Heavens

#good omens #crowley #crowley is raphael #archangel gabriel #archangel michael #archangel raphael #such a youngest sibling energy #christian mythology #just fooling around

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scarlet6rose · 3 months

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Soo just wanna talk a bit I guess

It's about good omens I know, I know. Half of the fandom is in mourning 'cause of Aziraphale and Crowley in s2 ep6 but I just want to do a character analysis of both for some more added information (ig). Now, I don't know if someone has already done this analysis or not, but fuck it, I'ma just do them anyways. I think we can look at Crowley first since most people do relate to him more than anyone else. In season 1, we are introduced to the fact that Crowley is the snake from Eden. That in itself makes him very important, but in season 2 episode 1, his importance rises so much. We find the fact that they were the ones who geared up the universe, "Let there be light" and stuff, he also said that he worked very close with upstairs. In the final episode of season 2, he could also open a confidential file that could only be accessed by a throne, a dominion, or above. This means; that before falling, he was extremely important/had a high status (whether he was Raphael or not doesn't matter). Again, in the last episode of season 2, during their breakup, he says, "I understand it a lot better than you do." to Aziraphale when he suggests that Crowley go up to heaven with him. Crowley, in this scenario, knows what's going on. He has clearly seen what heaven is like, top to bottom. From Crowley's point of view, both heaven and hell do not understand that there doesn't need to be a war. That Armageddon doesn't need to happen. He has always seen things in grey, from the beginning. Questioning God and her plans; not fully abiding with hell, like, ever; doing whatever the fuck he wants. Now, before I continue, I think I should give Aziraphale's character some more context. I have been hearing about the coffee theory in the fandom. in simple words: Metatron put something in the coffee and manipulated Aziraphale to become the supreme archangel with it. it definitely is an interesting theory, but there isn't much proof I can see. Mainly because, we see their conversation (in bits a pieces, sure), and you can see Aziraphale acting normally. He's wary and concerned. But from the beginning, Aziraphale has always (mostly) seen in Black and Whites (contrary to Crowley). Even if he denies it, he does (it's hard to forget what you believed since you existed). The only person who's shown Aziraphale that, "Hey, there can be more than one option" is Crowley. Only with Crowley has he ever had the choices (not just good and evil). Even then, he believed Heaven is always good and hell's always evil (he has made multiple remarks about him being good and Crowley being evil, for example, in the flashback of the Edinburgh surgeon, he has made that remark. Even when they met in season 1, he said, "Well obviously, you're a demon." after Crowley said that hell just said to go up there and make some trouble). This in itself proves that Aziraphale always thought in black and white even when he tries to divert himself to not think like that. In his eyes, Heaven is good, and Hell is evil. But the angels and the demons can be in between those shades of grey. That Heaven is currently corrupted, and Hell, even more. He doesn't want another Armageddon, he wants heaven to understand what it means to be "good" (good in atleast his eyes). In very simple words; Aziraphale believes that Heaven isn't working properly/is corrupt and wants to/thinks that he can infact fix it, and Crowley believes everything is working the way it's supposed to since he has seen it personally displayed infront of him, since he has been a high ranking angel in Heaven. Or in much simpler words: THEY DON'T FUCKING TALK TO EACHOTHER.

If the both of them could've had a heart-to-heart talk earlier, it could've ended so much differently. Neither of them knows what the other feels and just assumes what they think the other one thinks. It in itself is a toxic mindset to have. They both didn't "break up" because Metatron manipulates Aziraphale or because Aziraphale couldn't return Crowley's feelings (man's (non-binary) literally fell first). It was because neither of them understood eachother. Aziraphale sees Crowley as a demon who wants desperately to be an angel (many indirect remarks have been made like in Job's arc and such) and someone who accidentally fell (which is true at some level). AND Crowley sees Aziraphale as a simple-minded angel who needs rescuing from time to time (which, again, is true at some level). They both are literally forgetting their own nuances and beliefs, and assuming what the other thinks because, say it with me, THEY DO NOT TALK. The reason Crowley felt betrayed was because he didn't realize that Aziraphale wasn't exactly who he thought he was. After all, Aziraphale isn't a simple character, he's a complex character with very strict (too strict) morals. And Aziraphale realized that Crowley really didn't want to go to Heaven OR Hell, since he always thought that Crowley only hated Hell, not Heaven aswell. So it was a shock to him. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING TALK TO EACHOTHER. So, when people say that it's because of the coffee, it pisses me off a little. It practically refuses the idea of nuances existing within these characters. Listen, if it's actually because of the coffee or Metatron doing/saying something sinister to Aziraphale, I'll take my L. But for now, I wholeheartedly believe that it was fully Aziraphale's decision to go to Heaven.

so yeah, that's all, I might add to this later, might not.

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azirafuck · 9 months

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I'm not actually sure how plausible Aziraphale being named for Crowley actually is? I know that it was originally spelled Aziraphael. And- to be clear to non-Hebrew speakers (since that's the language the Bible originated in, and where Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael's names come from)- it's not "of Raphael". But it could be derived from "Azer-Raphael" or "Ezra-Raphael"- which would mean like. The aide/helper of Raphael. Might be a reach though, he could've just been throwing together angel-sounding names.

If it helps- "Azrael", the name a lot of people associate with Death (or the angel of it), is technically Azra-El: it means "God's helper" or "God helps".

oh yes, i think everyone is going for "helper of raphael"! and yes I dont think they thought much about it either, like you said they (or, well, he, considering Terry came up with the name) probably put together what sounded most angelic

#crowley is raphael #we still not beating the allegations!!!!!!!!#ask #good omens spoilers #good omens

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lanniisters · 9 months

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It’s Aziraphale. Not Azi or Zira.

One thing I’ve been fixated on lately is the importance of names in Good Omens; namely Aziraphale’s, namely how Crowley has been affectionately calling him Angel and the fandom “Azi” or “Zira”.

But Neil Gaiman continues to call him Aziraphale.

You’d think that being co-creator of this character, one of two people who nurtured the thought into a fully fleshed out character, he’d have the impulse - nee, he’d have the right to use a term of endearment or shorten his name; but I think it’s precisely because he cares so deeply about this character that he uses his full name.

Names are everything to angels. Think about how Michael tells Gabriel that choosing love means giving up being Gabriel; choosing Beelzebub meant losing Archangel Gabriel, patron saint of messagers, bringer of spiritual gifts and knowledge. For him, choosing love effectively meant losing his identity.

Now, think about the theory that Crowley is Raphael. Think about how falling from heaven meant becoming “Crawly”; his name, his identity, stopped being ethereal and was, instead, reduced to something animalistic, something he does when he tempts Eve. In every sense of the word, he has been casted out and belittled - now, he crawls.

Except he also asks Aziraphale to call him Crowley. In that brief interaction, Crowley decides that he will no longer let Heaven’s shame dictate who he is - and that starts with his friend, his companion, calling him Crowley. In fact, Crowley decides to bring himself closer to heaven by choosing a Crow. He is no longer looking up at Heaven from the muddied ground; he is choosing to fly. In a sense, that could be the first time he chooses to truly be on his own - he is no longer Archangel Raphael or Crawly the snake; he is Crowley.

And then he chooses Anthony J. Crowley. He humanizes his name.

So, what does this mean for Aziraphale?

First, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Aziraphale is so close in nature to Raphael - just a few letters off from being the patron saint of protection and healing. And, just like his name, Aziraphale is always just a few letters off from being good - or, at least, Heaven’s version of good. Aziraphale chooses gluttony, he chooses temptation, he confuses desperation with selfishness (think back on his actions in The Ressurrectionist and his interpretation of Crowley’s “we could’ve been us”). Aziraphale wants to be associated with Raphael, but he could never be heaven’s version of Raphael.

Unlike Crowley, Aziraphale also never truly humanizes his name. He never chooses a first name, instead he goes with A. Z. Fell. He focuses on the fall; he, too, is the version of Raphael that fell.

It’s also pretty significant that he allows Crowley to call him “Angel”. In The Hitchhiker, Aziraphale deepens his voice and looks annoyed when Furfur cannot pronounce his name. He takes pride in his name and Furfur is desecrating it. So, why does he never correct Crowley when he calls him “angel”? After all, he is part of an institute that values the power of names. In one sense, it could be because Aziraphale is proud to be an angel; in another, it could be that Aziraphale temporarily (and blissfully) allows Crowley to separate him from his duties as Heaven’s soldier.

Every time Crowley calls him angel, Aziraphale temporarily chooses to lose his identity to love.

So, what does this say about Neil never shortening his name? It could be nothing. I could be reading too much into it to justify my personal choice to not shorten Aziraphale to “Azi”; or it could be a way to honour Aziraphale’s depth and complexities. He’s not Azi, he’s not Zira. He is Aziraphale.

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #azirowley #aziracrow #azicrow #anthony j crowley #a. z. fell #character names #crowley is raphael #aziraphale is Raphael #neil gaiman #terry pratchett #sir terry pratchett #good omens season 3 predictions #good omens season two #names in good omens #food for thought

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theforgottengreatpoem · 9 months

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I wasn't always a demon.

Or, Crowley as Raphael Hints Season 2

#good omens #crowley #crowley is raphael #good omens 2 #gos2 spoilers #i have learned how to make gifsets and I'm making it everyone else's problem #I cannot express to y'all how much I am chugging the Crowley is raphael juice #archangel crowley #mine

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mr-tom-a-dildo-lover · 2 months

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Before going to sleep, many Jews recite a traditional prayer naming four archangels, "To my right Michael and to my left Gabriel, in front of me Uriel and behind me Raphael, and over my head God's Shekhinah ['the presence of God']."

...is this anything?

#good omens #aziraphale #Crowley #ineffable husbands #Crowley was Raphael #Fan theory #crowley is raphael

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humanthatexistsrn · 9 months

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when everyone (including me) calms down from the initial insanity and shock of the season i can’t WAIT to see discussions about some of the implications and callbacks and things this season.

for example, how powerful was angel!crowley?what sort of rank did he have that let him START THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE?????? AND open the file for gabriel’s trial??? genuinely insane.

when i finished watching the first scene for the first time my firs thought was “neil is keeping the raphael theorists on their toes” because yeah he said crowley isn’t but,,,, come on.

#good omens #crowley #crowley is raphael #good omens s2

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aithusarosekiller · 1 year

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A little thing to think about that makes me love the Crowley=Raphael hc. (This isn’t canon and I don’t claim it to be, it’s just random crap I’ve strung together for fans of the headcanon.)

Put yourself in the shoes of Satan. You are, from what we can gather, a fallen Angel, and we can also safely assume that you were previously Samael, a fallen archangel. You fell from heaven to become Satan, ruler of Hell and King of demons. All other demons are fallen angels, you are the only ex-Archangel, which could very well give you more power and influence over them, and, for the sake of this post, that power would stop the chance of revolts against you. They are demons, after all, they aren’t supposed to be kind and loyal. But there is an issue, when your brother Raphael goes missing from heaven, after following your footsteps and -you discover- falling to hell. Partially your fault of course, he always looked up to you, but that is unimportant.

You now have a dilemma. You are no longer the only archangel, and fear that Raphael could potentially overthrow you. You must find somewhere to assign him to ensure you keep your place at the top of hell. You could trust him fully, and keep him by your side. You could pretend he is the same as all the other demons and hope for the best.

Or you could assign him to earth to keep him away from you. Give him tasks to keep him busy, stop him from seeing too much of the other demons. He’s changed his name to Crawly, and then again to Crowley, so nobody knows who he is, not even heaven.

He’s still your brother of course, so you entrust him to go up to Eden and tempt Adam and Eve. You give him more chances than the other demons, letting him get away with petty temptations and tampering that other demons see as lazy. You trust him above all others to deliver your child, the Antichrist, to earth despite everything he has done and everything he has failed to do.

Whether this is truly out of brotherly trust or instead out of fear and desperation to keep him on your side doesn’t matter, because as long as you keep him away from your throne, you don’t care.

#The show and book say Lucifer but Lucifer is not a canonical abrahamic figure so we’re going for Samael #good omens #crowley is raphael #good omens prime #good omens book #this might make no sense but it makes sense to me

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popcorndispenser · 9 months

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The (VERY COMPREHENSIVE) Raphael!Crowley proof document, with help from my beloved Discord compatriots ❤️🎉 Especially Floofy with the OG formatting ( @chrismcleaned )

(Be warned, this is LONG. If you have more ideas for things to add please reply and say!)

#good omens #gomens #good omens s2 #good omens season 2 #gos2 spoilers #aziraphale #raphael!crowley #crowley is raphael #crowley #ineffable husbands #neil gaiman

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ladyamaranta · 9 months

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where the heck is Raphael

I assume we all agree that the narrative is strongly implying that Crowley was but a common angel (the 25 lazarii miracle, the high rank clearance, what he says to Gabriel about knowing how it feels, how he does not tell Aziraphale his name when they first meet during the galaxy creation scene, the fact he knows The Metatron -an angry and flame surrounded versione of The Metatron, Saraqael having worked side by side with him, and also maybe some too powerful miracles here and there like in S1 when he was able to froze time for himself, Aziraphale and Adam in a sort of Heavenly space in the middle of a Very Important Moment) ...so the point is which not common angel was he.

From my very personal point of view the main thing in favor of him being Lucifer is that I would love that sentence in S1 to be the opposite of what we thought it to be. I'm referrinf to: "I was just minding my business one day and then, oh lookie here, it's Lucifer and the guys"; the last part would therefore be not something Crowley said, but something that was addressed to him. Someone came there, took a look at him and went "ohh, it's Lucifer and the guys" and started to complaing about the food. I appreciate this kind of 'irrelevant subversion' of how you first pictured a told (and not yet shown) scene in your mind. Also it would be fun for Lucifer to be, in this universe, not the mind behind the rebellion but someone who was just minding his business and someone else saw as the right person to go to to give further resonance to some minor issues about the food.

But.

But from the same very personal point of view, I'd love for Crowley to be Raphael because I would love for the Great Raphael to be a fallen angel in this retelling of christian mythology. Lucifer is THE fallen angel, everyone knows he was the first to cast down the pearly gates; most christians associate him with Satan, call him the first sinner, consider him inherently baaad.

But Raphael? One of the greatest angels? One of the saints? To be one of the fallen?

Just. Lovely.

Also I recognize the story has an important hole here:

Where the heck is Raphael?

At least Lucifer was mentioned, also Hell has so far not had the same amount of screentime as Heaven has, so I don't see the absence of Lucifer (given that in this universe Satan≠Lucifer) as deliberate as the absense of Raphael.

Everyone is familiar with Gabriel, Michael and Raphael as they are familiar with Lucifer. Yet Raphael is never shown nor mentioned.

Everyone is familiar with Gabriel, Michael and Raphael, almost no one is familiar with Uriel and Saraqael and no one is familiar with hecking Sandalphon. Yet they chose not to use the famous trio Gabriel-Michael-Raphael to straightforward let the audience know 'this is Heaven's Small Council'. No, they get rid of Raphael like he was a barely known angel, like he was an angel no one knows the name of before reading about angeology, like he was a Sandalphon.

Listen, this is deliberate.

The absence of Raphael is deliberate.

And I would love for him to be the 'angel who fell because he was asking too many questions'.

I would love for him to be the powerful Supreme Archangel that was just minding his business when Lucifer and the boys reached out to.

May I add.

...even if Crowley is not Raphael, I'm sure Raphael would pop up somewhere else, because the narrative has strongly pointed in the direction of a fallen Great One.

I refuse to believe The Metraton said

"For one Prince of Heaven to be cast into the outer darkness makes a good story. For it to happen twice makes it look like there is some sort of institutional problem." about some hecking Sandalphon.

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Little addition because I have never seen this Very Valid Point mentioned:

Crowley gives away a lot of younger sibling energy when interacting with Gabriel and Middle Child Michael 😌

#crowley #crowley is raphael #archangel raphael #christian mythology #good omens #meta #good omens meta #talking to myself #theory #good omens theory #the metatron #aziraphale #saraqael #sandalphone #archangel gabriel #archangel michael #the princes of heaven #good omens 2

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a-killler-queer · 9 months

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So I was never really behind the 'Crowley was Raphael' conspiracy, as cool as it would be for the plot and my deep love for his character. There is something so endearing about both Crowley and Aziraphale just being some randos who fell in love with each other and humanity, and that's what made them different.

HOWEVER I find it really interesting how some of the vast powers over time/space Crowley has were really emphasized in this season (i mean christ he BUILT it all and HE was the one who said "let there be light", not God). Out of all of the Archangels we have now been introduced to, we are only missing Raphael, who hasn't even gotten so much as a name drop. It's almost as if no one remembers him at all, despite him being so important...

On a COMPLETELY UNRELATED NOTE, they really went all in with the Book of Life name erasure only for it to not amount to anything... I'm sure it's only a coincidence 👀

#good omens #good omens season 2 #good omens spoilers #aziraphale #crowley #crowley is raphael #fan theory #neil gaiman i am in your walls #david and michael you too #no one is safe from my conspiracy theories

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