#from 2015 transmed tumblr

[idolomantises]

Anyways speaking of being gay apparently teenagers on tiktok are mad at me because they found out I’m a lesbian who uses he/they pronouns

#txt #there’s something funny about telling a nb lesbian that their identity is ‘terminally online’ while regurgitating talking points #from 2015 transmed tumblr #like first it’s Pearl clutching over masculine women and feminine men and now it’s non-binary lesbians making people go berserk #honestly I wish I could find this funny (I mean in concept it is) but it’s irritating how tiktok incited so much online harassment and #bullying by just making shit up about queer identities and terminology to a point where we’re just back to acting like we have to fit into #our stereotypes. but only the accepted ones because god forbid your lesbian character is masculine lol #I remember a bunch of 15 year olds on twitter blew up at me because I pointed out that dyke is not a term exclusive to black lesbians #because guess where they got that insane ass assumption that ignores decades of lesbian history and queer activism #that’s right! another random ass teenager on tiktok with no sourcing #just gatekeeping a slur meant for all lesbians #I feel like if a tiktoker interacted with a real butch lesbian they’d explode and die

[belfrygargoyles]

ngl my take on the whole dni thing is that yeah to a point they're mostly useless. from using broad/undefinable terms ("general dni criteria" what is that "racists dni" most people who are racist do not self identify as racist, "women dni" define a woman for me, quickly. etc) to being useless at actually deterring the kinds of people you dont want interacting with you ("transmisogynists and terfs dni" if a terf wants to bother you about terf shit a dni isnt going to stop them, etc), by and large they're for appearance to signal to others the kind of bigot that you're not.

the one kind of place they do actually kind of work though. spheres that remain encapsulated microcosms of 2015 era tumblr microlabel identity politics. the places where, regardless of if you're a self identified transmed or a proud tucute, you wouldn't be caught dead interacting with someone on the "other side", because the second someone brings up "umm op made a post last year about xyz" you have to RACE to denounce any and all knowledge or interaction lest the people on "your side" put you on a list of "blogs unsafe for xyz" that you'll be arguing against anons about for months. if you're really unlucky, someone will make a callout about op and include you in it as an enabler and a bigot by association.

#personal #mostly i find it kind of funny. my old stim sideblog got put on a list of 'blogs hostile to (transmeds or something idfr)' #as part of a blog meant to document which stim blogs were safe for transmeds to onteract with and which ones to stay away from #this was back in like 2017 i think. maybe 2019 now that i think about it #the sole purpose of the dni on that blog was so i wouldnt get blocked by half of the stim blogs active at the time #because again. you have to signal what kind of person you /arent/ or else you're 'unsafe by default' #this blog also used to have a dni that i made when i was DEEP in that scrupulosity trap. before i realized #a) this is kind of goofy and b) its easier and more effective to just block and move on. done.

[antiradqueer]

Same anon as the last, anxious about revealing myself until the post comes out.

But I found something super interesting.

"Transnazi" wasn't made up by radqueers, but stolen and expanded upon by them.

There's two early uses of it on the internet that I can find: 2012 and 2015/2016 (I can't find the 2015 one exactly but it's a 4chan comment so who gives a shit).

The 2012 use is from a transwoman's blog about an event she attended in 2004 where two post-op transwomen were very dismissive and rude to anyone that was not post-op. I sent her an email asking for some more details if she can remember the term's use at the time, especially since this behavior is more associated with transmeds today. It's not the exact term, but very close.

The 2016 use is literally a 4chan comment that is the exact term that radqueers use, and specifically in a way to say that tumblr's support of queer people is childish. I actually remember seeing that thread so vividly that finding it again just proved my sense of some of this coming directly from nazis is correct.

super interesting thanks anon

#anti radqueer #anti transid #anti transx #tw nazi mention #nazi mention #ask to tag

[irkeneon]

anyways sysmed is a valid term because they use the same rhetoric a transmedicalist will use

transmed: 'only people with dysphoria can be trans! oh you don't have dysphoria? well then you're invalidating REAL trans people!'

sysmed: 'only people with trauma can be real systems! oh you don't have trauma? then you're not a real system and you're invalidating REAL systems!'

and so forth. educate yourself before posting brainrot thanks

dude chill

It's not the exact same, system discourse doesn't even have any shared history with trans discourse. Ex Uno Plures has an old article discussing the state of system discourse at the time, LB-Lee has an article discussing where the idea of system being DID-only came from, and the history of the term endogenic which includes the state of system discourse when it was created.

Citing one similar argument doesn't make it the same rhetoric. Difference include the following:

Medical gatekeeping and forcing much more intense restrictions on who fits for a diagnosis.

System gatekeeping has a history on LJ and the only time it really overlapped with what platform the gatekeepers were on was when it came to Tumblr, which was only in 2015.

A lot of anti-endogenic points focus on abuse within these communities, which actually an issue that most on "this side" fail to address.

There's honestly just a lot on the basis of systems being made up of separate people. Tell me, what's the transgender equivalent to fictive invalidation? Or dehumanization of prosecutors?

Not to mention how system gatekeeping is inherently dehumanizing and typically fall under gaslighting in many cases. This isn't as much of a problem with transmeds.

The other reasons that this comparison fail and why thinking of them as a bad idea are the following:

Entire plural experiences can be medical, but this is not the case for transgender people.

There are spiritual systems, created systems, and several sub-types and sub-cultures in-between which result in gatekeeping being presented in different ways, there is no equivalent to this in transgender people.

Again, there is a lot of intra-community abuse and genuinely fucked up groups within the system community that contributes to how people think about system gatekeeping. There is no issue like this in system gatekeeping.

Relying on another group's excursionist politics to describe our own is a very bad idea. While yes it works as a conversation piece and might get people to think, the way it's presented as the exclusive term to describe this can cause problems with not being taken seriously, ignoring issues exclusive to one or either rhetoric, and causing too much reliance on an otherwise unrelated community.

The point stands that this point was also made to compare system gatekeeping and transmedicalism. If you're a singlet or cis, you can't make this comparison.

I'm about 90% sure people not thinking critically about how different types of exclusion are different and that exclusion looks different for different communities is why we have a rise of MAPs, zoos, and other dangerous groups, not to mention people comparing kinfolk again kff to sysmeds. It's no coincidence that these people are the same ones using sysmed.

but yeah no call me uneducated lmao

#syscourse #sysmed #endogenic #if this doesn't show up in the tags because i have links i'll be pissed

[yeehawfolk]

The thing about this new wave of people saying that pansexuality is a "problematic" identity, is that they only look at the definition that was on Tumblr circa 2012-2015 (attraction to "all genders" as opposed to bisexuality which was "two genders"), which they don't seem to realize was created by kids who were still learning about the LGBTQA community. Because most of the community on Tumblr at that time were teenagers or older kids (like 13-18 year olds, is what I mean). Like, I remember when I was a dumbass teenager, I genuinely believed that being pan meant being attracted to ""all genders"" and not "gender does not play a role in my attraction". I also was pretty latently transphobic, because I was raised in the deep south, and it's how I was socialized growing up. Later, I thought about what I said and what I did and decided to never say those things or act like that again. And today, I'm trans myself!

But like. Idk, this whole discussion about whether pansexuality is problematic or not is really annoying, because y'all. You just have to let kids grow up. Kids say, do, and believe stupid things when they're kids/teenagers because they basically have no autonomy of their own and LEARN FROM THOSE AROUND THEM. If your family is homophobic or transphobic, or even just doesn't understand anything about LGBTQA, it becomes harder to get the right definitions of terms or identities because you were never taught what they meant. You might find a post online that says it's attraction to "all genders" and believe that for a while, or you might be easier to be swayed by transmeds online. The point is when you're vulnerable and uninformed, it's easy to say and do hurtful things.

The bottom line is that y'all seriously need to let kids grow and give them a chance to learn and fix their mistakes instead of going "LOL ANYONE WHO IDENTIFIES AS PANSEXUAL IS TRANSPHOBIC BC OF A DEFINITION I SAW POSTED BY A 15 YEAR OLD ON TUMBLR"

Y'all think that either excluding pan folks or harassing them for being pan is ok because you went online and saw a bunch of kids who probably had no support circle at home using the wrong definition of pansexuality? Grow up. That is not ok, no matter if you're ALSO a teenager and LGBTQA (and if you're an adult-- for fucking shame, that is disgusting of you to target vulnerable people who had no way to get informed until their later years). Being a part of a minority group (LGBTQA) does not exempt you from being a cruel person, and neither does being a minor.

Leave pan people alone. They don't deserve this stupid di/scour/se about them.

#lgbt #lgbtqa #queer #pan #pansexual #pansexuality

[girlslikeghouls-moved]

i dont wanna be rude but lgbt accounts on instagram are so fucking trashy. they just repost the same memes from 2015 tumblr deep fried from how much they’ve been spread and spit transmed propaganda.

#liza talks☁️

[isnotcool]

you ever see a photo of you from before you realized you were trans and just stare at it like

#lmao i saw an old photo of me that i posted on tumblr from like 2015 and i perished #should probably delete that #ftm #mtf #trans #transgender #transmed