#hws east asians

[miyuecakes]

sinoposting old art because it is finals season 😍

#hetalia #aph china #hws china #aph hong kong #aph macau #aph taiwan #aph singapore #hws hong kong #hws macau #hws singapore #hws taiwan #nyo taiwan #mine #my art #aph asians #hetalia asians #hws east asia #plus sg LMAOOOO

[tianshiisdead]

Japan shaves just about everything. He doesn't think more hair=more manly. He infact has a whole different idea of what is manly compared to western countries or most countries in general. He also likes flowers and floral patterns.

everything?!

#ask #anon #hetalia #hws japan #sorry anon! live your truth but i can’t see it 😅 i know you probably meant like… his face/body but #like i agree he wouldn’t think more hair = more manly but… honestly #I don’t really see him deviating much from japanese masculinity. personally #east asian men don’t really shave their whole bod tbh (thats MENA men - wrong orient) #like i think foreigners get the wrong impression because we’re kind of less hair-ful in general than a lot of ppl. particularily white ppl #but its not really done… if anything japan is the most likely to leave facial hair haha considering how its more acceptable in japan #than in china or korea #of course #my view of japan is biased as a fellow easian #I was a little wary to depict the full extent of your ask (sorry anon) and thats bc #of how easian masculinity in general is problematized and fetishized in the west? #like the idea of ~smooth japan kind of speaks to the whole wawah hairless babyface femme easians~~ trope that is so common #and it brings me pause when it comes to japan because tbh japan is probably the east asian country with masculinity that is #historically speaking #the most ‘coherant’ to the west #<- again Im speaking as another easian so i recognize my bias but #anyways sorry about that! ik this likely isnt what u were expecting 🙇‍♂️

[irithnova]

Were the Mongols really that stinky?

Me trying to summarise/simplify notes I've found on the Internet. But also this is me trying to defend Mongolia ‼️😔✋🐴

(Editing this to re-work the Yassa and Mamluk part as the source I have used to explain it was most likely biased. )

The hygiene practices of the Mongols have been documented by the Mongols and foreigners alike. Apparently, according to some historical resources, the Mongols smelled so bad that you could actually smell them incoming, and that during battle, their stench actually helped them. This seems like a ridiculous exaggeration to be honest, and probably was written by people who were subjected by the Mongols and therefore were very butthurt. All soldiers on a campaign, no matter where they're from, can smell pretty bad.

It is said that the Mongols would not bathe, in fear of angering the water dragons which controlled the waters. This was recorded by the 15th century Mamluk Historian al-Maqrizi. It is true that the Mongols were a shamanistic people, however the mention of dragons is peculiar. The appearance of dragons in original Turco-mongol mythology is almost absent, and dragons are more used in Chinese and tibetan mythology.

In addition, do we really know if the whole "not bathing in running water" thing was truly what was happening with the Mongols, or was it another mistranslation after centuries and centuries of copying things and translating things? François Pétis de la Croix, a French historian of the 18th century, had access to Al-Maqrizi's original work. François came to a different conclusion to his findings - that bathing in running water was banned only during thunderstorms. Both because it was dangerous and also to show respect to Tengri.

Then, in the 20th century, George Vernadsky, who was a Russian-American historian, came to agree with François Pétis de la Croix's conclusion. He agreed that this law was not as restrictive as we may have originally believed. Further, let's remember that they were "banned" from using "running water". Surely that means they could have collected water in jugs and used that or something?

There is also issues with Al-Maqrizi's original source - he is not really regarded as a reliable one. His information on the Yassa was apparently given to him by a man called Abu-Hashim, who claimed that he saw the whole of the Yassa in the libraries of Baghdad during his political exile.

Abu-Hashim is an obscure historical figure and little is known about him and his works, if he even had any.

What Al-Maqrizi thought to be the Yassa was actually just a small list of punishment for offences from the Mongol Criminal law.

Al-Maqrizi also fails to admit that he borrowed pretty heavily from the scholar Ibn Fadl Allah al-Umar in his works on the Mongols. Ibn Fadl Allah al-Umar based his works off of Ata-Malik Juvayni, who was a respected official in the Ilkhanate. Further, Ata-Malik Juvayni wrote the book "History of the world conquerer". This was probably the most unbiased account of the Mongol conquests of Chinggis Khan at the time.

Considering this, you may think. Oh! So it was kind of based off of a reputable source. Must be legit then. But no, Al-Maqrizi, as we can further see in this post, omitted many things from the works he was influenced by, because he had a pretty sour bias against the Mongols.

Juvayni, in his work, records how bathing was banned during certain times of the day during spring and summer months, during which thunderstorms were common. Al-Maqrizi makes no mention of this.

It could be argued that Juvayni himself was biased in trying to make the Mongols look good. Some argue that this "bathing in midday was banned" fiasco was written in by Juvayni to demonstrate the mercy of Chagatai Khan when he pardoned a poor Muslim who was caught bathing in midday. But honestly that seems like a weird thing for Juvayni to lie about, even if it was to make Chagatai look good, so I agree with the original conclusion.

Let's also not forget that Al-Maqrizi lived during the time of the Egyptian Mamluks in 1364-1442. He definitely had a sour opinion of the Mongols, especially the Golden Horde and Ilkhanate, who were the products of the brutal conquest of Muslim-majority states.

It is rumoured that the some of the Yassa codes may have been used to administer affairs in with the Mamluks, however accounts of this are greatly exaggerated. However the Muslim Mamluks certainly knew of the Yassa and were very cautious and critical of it.

Al-Maqrizi, during this time, was very adamant and vocal about the Yassa being satanic, hmm I wonder why (hint: he had a sour opinion of the Mongols).

Considering all of this, can we truly believe what Al-Maqrizi said about the Mongols hygiene practices? Even other historians at the time had this strong bias against the Mongols, and we should really be taking what they say with a pinch of salt (probably like. 100kg of salt tbh)

In addition, I've seen a Mongolian answer this question online, and they said that in those times, Mongolias used ointments of animal origin to rub dirt off of the skin - similar to the inuits. Let's also remember that "running" water was not allowed to be used, and not allowed during thunderstorms. Running water was more often seen in nature settings for the Mongols in those times, and the fact that you weren't allowed to use running water during thunderstorms? Yeah honestly to me that just seems like respecting nature/Tengri and avoiding danger if anything.

So basically. They probably didn't smell that much worse than anyone else during the time!

DEFENDING MONGOLIA‼️ LEAVE HIM ALONE

#hetalia #aph mongolia #hws mongolia #Hetalia mongolia #Historical hetalia #hetalia world twinkle #hetalia world stars #hetalia world series #History #mongol empire #Mongolian empire #mongolian history #East Asian history #Central Asian history #Asia #Central Asia #East Asia #Asian history #Mongolia

[zhuhongs]

notttt my roommate partying with my classmates in xinyi... girl ik u hate to drink. that should be meeeeee

#PAIN.... #god.... its so funny like my roommates get invited everyyyywhereeee bc theyre cute girls and everyone is obsessed with japanese ppl and #dont hide it. like the best way to go out is to be Thai and already have a built in community bc there are 60 percent of the language #center is thai students. or be a cute east asian girl. like 😔😔😔 im not even lying i talk to my roommates and its like. night and day #like my classmates talk to me bc they wanna cheat on my hw. ur classmates talk to u bc yr cute!! and then u bad moith them anyways!!!!

[itstokkii]

Now that the anthology is released, please check it out!! A lot of my friends, both writers and artists, put a lot of work into their pieces, and please make sure to follow their work as well!

However, I'll also take this time to explain why I left the @hws-anthology project.

Before I begin, I must clarify that this is not a callout post, that is not the intention. Rather, it's to clear up and explain the situation for those in the server that saw the aftermath and were confused as to what happened and why I left.

I joined the server at around mid to late February as an artist with the intention of highlighting and promoting the two countries that make up my identity: Uzbekistan and South Korea. I had also joined as I had always wanted to be part of a big project like an anthology, and I wanted to see how it would go.

By August, I had made and finished my pieces so they were ready, and no problems occurred until January 1st. At this time, I had begun a conversation about Korean history and culture. One of the people in the server asked about whether they, a plus sized foreigner, would be stared at in Korea as that was their deciding factor for travelling there. My response was that this may have been the case a few years ago, however this attitude has changed over the years among Koreans as more foreigners regularly visit Korea, and that society is more accepting of bodies that do not fit the standard. And at the most extreme, Koreans have higher standards for nationals compared to foreigners, so foreigners are less likely to be judged by East Asian beauty standards.

However, the owner of the server had expressed firm disagreement and insisted that, from their experience of going to Korea and Japan, that people will stare. I had brought up that as an ethnic Uzbek and a Muslim, a visible minority, neither has my community or I experienced such lengthy staring, if not during the early 2000s when foreigners were first beginning to come to Korea. And even through the spikes of terrorism and following Islamophobia in the mid 2010s, hate crimes, let along staring, was not a common reaction to or against the community, despite the worldwide reaction of terrorism being conflated to people like me that are visibly Muslim.

(in these screenshots, pink = the one who asked the question, blue=the server owner, purple = my friend, orange = third party(general), red, purple = third parties(individual users)

They insisted they were trying to help, as they were "coming from a country where staring is rude," implying that staring is normal and not rude in Korea.

At that point, they had attempted to "shut down" the conversation because we were "both right," and that I "didn't really understand what [they] were saying or where [they] were coming from."

As I tried to reiterate that as an Uzbek Muslim born and living in Korea as a Korean national, and as someone who has lived in Seoul and less populated regions of Korea, has seen the different reactions by Koreans, they instead opted to firmly say that they weren't continuing the conversation, insisted that we can both be right from our different perspectives, but that theirs was more helpful as a non-asian.

At this point, I expressed my discomfort with someone who is non-asian and has never experienced living in Korea, only as a traveler, speaking over my voice as a naturalized Korean citizen who was born and raised in Korea as a visibly ethnic and religious minority, and even insisting that my advice was lesser compared to theirs.

They replied by saying we both had to "agree to disagree" and that they didn't want to undervalue my opinion or upset me(despite my actual feelings of utter distraught), despite repeating again that they believed their advice to be more helpful. They said that if I did want to continue, I'd have to do it privately because it wasn't helpful to "duke it out in public," and ended the discussion by disabling me from being able to text in that discord channel for a day, and no longer being able to access that channel.

I was left speechless and distraught by this whole interaction. Not only did I feel that I was being talked over by someone who has had no lived experience in Korea to see the trends and beauty standards change along the years, and even placing their advice as "more helpful," but that they had also muted me from speaking up for myself in the channel, effectively placing me in a virtual "timeout." I felt like I was being treated like a young child from the way I was being told to "agree to disagree" to the way I was constantly shut down and had my voice ignored, to the eventual timeout where they muted me from the channel for a day.

And to me, it was also interesting to see them talk to others in the other channels like nothing happened while I was the one crying and shaking uncontrollably from being denied a place to speak and be heard, from having my lived experiences perceived as "lesser than."

As much as I didn't want to leave the server, I thought it was the better choice because as much as I wanted to promote Uzbekistan and Korea through my art, I realized that it shouldn't have to cost me my mental health to do so. The next day, I left a message as to why I was choosing to leave, and left.

Elif Harris's summary of Said's Orientalism: "The very purpose of Orientalism is to take control of the Orient and take away from it any ability to speak for itself." I quoted this because at its core, the way I was being treated was orientalist in nature, in the sense that the server mod continues to speak over me, a Korean citizen born and raised in Korea, when it comes to advice about Korean society, and then pushes it by emphasizing that their advice was more helpful, while also refusing to listen to me and trying to quell the conflict by repeating that both of us were right, and that we should agree to disagree. And, finally, they time me out like a child and blocks me from speaking up and standing up for myself. Know that I do not make accusations out of thin air because I'm feeling bored.

However, it didn't stop there. According to a few mutuals, my message was quickly taken down by the server owner, who then prevented people from using the channel I had the conversation in(misc-serious) the day prior. A friend of mine tried to repost it so that others would be able to see my message, to which she was muted from texting to all channels and using the voice channel for a week. Others began to question this, and I had heard a few people left the server due to the obnoxious level of muting and the fiery comments by the server owner as they defended their actions as us having a "normal disagreement" and that my message was deleted for being "immature."

After a little while, my friend was also placed in "timeout" for a week.

Due to this, Green relayed my friend's message on her behalf, and then left, with Red following as well, citing how the server became "oddly toxic."

To those of you who reached out and sent me kind messages, thank you so much! You didn't have to, but you felt the need to reach out anyway and even that gesture was truly grand to me, and comforted me as the shock still remained with me the next day.

As for the fandom, I have said it before at the beginning that the intention is not to be a callout post or a post about "drama" or "tea"—do not call it that. Asides from explaining my sudden departure from the anthology weeks before its release, it is also to ask the fandom a few very important questions:

"Why is it the norm for people to speak over others who have lived experiences in a particular place?"

"Why are we invalidating or ignoring their experiences and instead giving the power to speak about a region to someone with minimal interaction or knowledge about it?"

And lastly,

"Why is the fandom so comfortable with this?"

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

#hetalia #hetalia fandom #hetalia anthology #hws #hetalia world stars #hws anthology

[stirringwinds]

While I feel that hws France is hard to portray I do wonder what headcanons you have for him. Care to tell a few that come to mind?

a lot of my headcanons of francis/françois are from the british imperial + sea/east asian perspective, so with that in mind, these are some thoughts i've had:

a. françois' strengths are that he can be very charming and good at putting people at ease. he is somebody, if you ran into him somewhere, just comes off as a really interesting person. he can talk for ages about his passion for philosophy, art, literature, science and cooking without it getting boring to the listener.

b. he can be a really good lover too and is that sort of person who considers it a point of pride to make his partners enjoy his company. the sort of person who will make dinner and probably also a good breakfast for you. but one of his flaws is that he can also be pretty self-centred at times, and sometimes he uses his charisma to get out of things or simply dodge issues in his personal relationships.

c. françois, much like arthur, is in the Bad Parent club vis a vis matthew in the 17—18th centuries. where they differ however, is i feel that arthur was controlling but more...present, whereas françois was more...dismissive. matthew would get letters from arthur instructing him to do this and that, which for matthew at least acknowledged him, whereas françois might just not even write to him much at all, especially after matthew came under arthur's control.

d. françois really clicked with alfred during the revolutionary war. it helped that alfred was punching arthur in the dick, but i think that françois for all his flaws, genuinely possesses a somewhat more idealistic streak (than say, arthur imo) so that gelled well with alfred spouting all kinds of enlightenment thoughts (especially since he was also reading french writers like Montesquieu).

e. françois and lien (vietnam) have a complicated (to say the least) relationship due to the history of french imperialism over vietnam; i see francis being much younger than her (she and yao are peers in age!), so lien fitted him very much into her prior experience as an older female nation being forced to deal with 'boys playing at being empires'. lien probably shot him in the face at least once during the first indochina war, that tried to re-establish colonial rule over vietnam in the 1950s. however, i do think they can talk more cordially in more recent decades, with normalisation of ties. cooking is perhaps one topic that is a common interest—vietnamese banh mi is a kind of sandwich originating from french baguettes that incorporates local ingredients, and it's a really tasty and popular streetfood. there's also a big french-vietnamese population in paris today.

f. kiku was absolutely not impressed by monet's la japonaise, nor 'madame chrysanthème', the wildly racist and orientalist mess that Madame Butterfly was based on. it was exoticising, not flattering to him—he was however, more amenable to those of françois' artists that incorporated japanese artistic techniques in more genuine ways, or with françois' own view of aesthetics and his knowledge and interest in engineering.

g. yao, much like kiku later, was someone françois was very interested in culturally—as seen from the boom in chinoiserie when trade with china began back in the 17th century. i think french is probably one of the first european languages yao learns (besides portuguese). it's a fairly functional trading relationship—until of course, french imperialist interests began expanding in yao's sphere of influence and the opium wars.

h. i'm a fruk fan so naturally i think his love-hate relationship with arthur is one of his most significant r/ships—arthur has been a neighbour, friend, enemy, lover and everything in between. but! scotfra is another very, very long-term relationship important to him (auld alliance!). also on an EU level well, there's him and ludwig too.

i. naturally, he's also fairly fashionable, and i feel like he'll always eye himself critically even if he's going out casually, compared to way i can see arthur being fairly chill about strolling out in that questionable, ill-fitting acid green christmas sweater alfred sent him as a joke once. i also think françois probably smokes a fair bit, compared to how arthur's gotten a kick in the arse to cut back after WWII. and nowadays, he'll often just be relaxing with a cigarette on the balcony of his apartment with a book, or enjoying a day out in one of his museums.

#hws france #hetalia #hws england #hws canada #hws vietnam #hws china #hws japan #hws scotland #hetalia headcanons

[persephone-s-moon]

Asian Lost Boys Personal Names!

Personal names tend to vary from culture to culture in terms of usage, but essentially it's someones "Asian name" as opposed to their English name. They're typically used by family members and, on occasion, very close friends because (in my experience) using them is intimate. The characters will still HAVE their English names, but The Lost Boys and family members (the Emersons and the Frogs) will Mostly refer to each other by their personal names.

DISCLAIMER: I'm Taiwanese, therefore I'm more savvy to East Asian cultures, particularly Chinese and Japanese. If anyone who is more knowledgeable about Filipino, Hmong, Thai, Indian, or Vietnamese cultures sees something they want to critique/has more culturally accurate suggestions, I encourage messages/comments/replies!

David: Huang Zhao-Yi

Culture: Taiwanese, of Chinese descent Loose Pronunciation: Hw-ah-ng Sh-ow-yee Surname: Huang, meaning "yellow, to fall through" Personal name: Zhao-Yi, Zhao meaning "bright, luminous" and Yi meaning "happy, joyful, harmony" Notes: I was originally going to name David "Hou Yi" after a mythological Chinese archer because OG Hou Yi destroys 9/10 of the original suns (long story) and there's a version where he and his wife Chang'e become immortal/gods, but there are so many different versions of the story that I decided against it. I also decided that I wanted him to be a Farm Boy™ and naming him after a god seemed a little strange imo.

Paul: Paolo FACUNDO LIWANAG

Culture: Filipino Loose Pronunciation: Pow-low FAK-OON-DO LEE-WAN-AG Personal name: Paolo, meaning "small" Surnames: FACUNDO meaning "talkative", LIWANAG meaning "light" Notes: A lot of Filipino names are Spanish or Italian with biblical roots because of colonization in the 1500s, so I wanted to keep his personal name semi-similar to his English name since it was already biblical. Honestly I could've left it as "Paul" but what's the fun in that? I'm not too sold on his surnames so they might change later and I may try to find a Tagalog name instead for his personal name, we'll see.

Marko: YANG Vam Meej

Culture: White Hmong, from Laos Loose Pronunciation: YANG Va Mae Clan name: YANG, associated with the ram and bear Personal name: Vam Meej, meaning "to prosper, succeed" Notes: Hmong names in particular are a Struggle for me since most of the Hmong people I know are second generation like me and either don't really know their personal names or we're not close enough for me to ask. I am familiar with the concept of clan names though. Marko's name is definitely subject to change in the future (I might pick a clan name more associated with birds just for fun who knows).

Dwayne: Khemkhaeng LUANG

Culture: Thai Loose Pronunciation: Kehm-key-ng LOO-ANG Personal name: Khemkhaeng, meaning "strong" Old personal name: Kasem, meaning "happiness, pure joy" Surname: LUANG, meaning "royal, venerable" Notes: It's common for Thai people to change their names after something either significant or bad happens to them, hence Kasem. I'm only making note of it to alleviate confusion in the event that I decide to do some stuff regarding backstories, no one will refer to him as Kasem otherwise. Also, surnames are still relatively new to Thailand and they were only introduced in the 20th century, so Dwayne gets a shorter surname in comparison to modern Thai surnames (which are required to be unique, hence the longer modern surnames) since I have him and the other boys being born in the 1880s.

Star: Ruchika Chawla

Culture: Indian Loose Pronunciation: Roo-chee-ka Chow-la Personal name: Ruchika, meaning "shining, beautiful, desirous, brilliance" Surname: Chawla, meaning "rice" Notes: I found the name Ruchika and immediately thought of Star ngl, I didn't even consider other names for her. It was like love at first sight. I think a lot of stuff with Star just clicked when I was doing research for her name and design, it just suited her so well. I did have her surname written down wrong in my personal notes so I'm glad I didn't post her character sheet immediately lmao

Laddie: Nino HALILI DEL ROSARIO

Culture: Filipino Loose Pronunciation: Nee-no HA-LEE-LEE DAY ROSE-ARI-O Personal name: Nino, meaning "little boy" Surname: HALILI meaning "successor", DEL ROSARIO meaing "of the rosary" Notes: I went so back and forth on his surnames it's not even funny, but I think I'm happier with Laddie's surnames in comparison to Paul's. "Nino" felt really obvious and clicked really well just like Star's name did, though I did consider a few other names that I don't have written down anywhere. Nino was just superior because he's simply a little guy.

Michael: EMERSON Manh Tien

Culture: Vietnamese Loose Pronunciation: EMERSON Man Tee-en Surname: EMERSON, inherited from white father Middle name: Manh, meaning "first-born" Personal name: Tien, meaning "fairy, celestial being" Notes: I'll be honest, the main contibuting factor behind Michael's personal name was how he was almost named "Moonbeam" during his mom's hippie phase. I have this idea where their dad was white and insisted on using exclusively their English names, and Michael wouldn't initially like his personal name because it feels girly to him anyway, but he'd grow to cherish his name and culture after meeting the lost boys <3

Sam: EMERSON Trong Binh

Culture: Vietnamese Loose Pronunciation: EMERSON Ch-ung Bin Surname: EMERSON, inherited by white father Middle name: Trong, meaning "second-born" Personal name: Binh, meaning "peaceful" Notes: I think overall for the Emerson family I was most concerned with meanings, which wasn't necessarily the case for the boys. Sam is the most peaceful in the sense that he discouraged the Frog brothers from killing Marko, even though he failed. Like Michael, I think his personal name is something that he grows into when he starts making friends, but would use his English name when first coming to Santa Carla.

Lucy: VINH Lan Huong

Culture: Vietnamese Loose Pronunciation: VIN Surname: VINH, meaning "glory" Middle name: Lan, meaning "orchid" Personal name: Huong, meaning "pink rose" Notes: Naming Lucy after flowers just felt right. Let it be known that I have serious beef with hippies, but I feel like she still had a well-intentioned hippie phase and this just adds to it. In Vietnamese culture, women don't change their surnames after marriage (as far as I'm aware) which I think would be a contributing factor in her divorce with her white all-American husband.

Grandpa: VINH Mac Dieu

Culture: Vietnamese Loose Pronunciation: VIN Mac Dee-oo Surname: VINH, meaning "glory" Middle name: Mac, meaning "nothing, nonexistent" Personal name: Dieu, meaning "mysterious, subtle" Notes: Grandpa! Needed! A! Name! He doesn't have one in the original! I'm basically saying he's not subtle about his knowledge of vampires and he's not trying to be subtle, it's just that no one ever asked. I think I tried to pick older-sounding names for him but it's been a little while since I picked these and I don't remember if I'm honest.

Edgar: Kaeru Matsuo

Culture: Japanese Loose Pronunciation: Keh-roo Mat-soo-oh Surname: Kaeru, meaning "frog" Personal name: Matsuo, meaning "pine tree, life" Notes: I named the Frog brothers after the famous Japanese poet Matsuo Basho because their English names remind me of Edgar Allan Poe, so I thought it'd be kind of funny. Matsuo is the surname of the poet, but I felt that Matsuo suited Edgar more than Alan. The surname I picked for the Frogs was obvious, I don't think anything else other than some variation of "frog" would've worked.

Alan: Kaeru Basho

Culture: Japanese Loose Pronunciation: Keh-roo Ba-show Surname: Kaeru, meaning "frog" Personal name: Basho, meaning "banana tree" Notes: Alan got the pen name of Matsuo Basho, who also went by "Sobo" and "Tose". I debated on giving him Matsuo's true given name, which is Kinsaku meaning "to be happy" but Matsuo Basho is better known as Basho and it's much funnier for this very serious 15-16 year old to be named "banana tree".

Sorry if the formatting is weird, I'm trying to make it as reader friendly as possible on account of my own dyslexia. Please let me know if the blocks of text blend in with each other too much lmao

#i'm saying 'loose pronunciations' because there's some very subtle tones in some of these languages that are hard to type out #particularly with the vietnamese names #asian lost boys reimagine #the lost boys #lost boys #tlb #the lost boys (1987) #the lost boys 1987 #lost boys 1987 #tlb 1987 #david the lost boys #david lost boys #david tlb #paul the lost boys #paul lost boys #paul tlb #marko the lost boys #marko lost boys #marko tlb #dwayne the lost boys #dwayne lost boys #dwayne tlb #star the lost boys #star lost boys #star tlb #michael the lost boys #michael lost boys #michael tlb #michael emerson #sam the lost boys

[fumblingmusings]

Hi, I'm also not the original asakiku anon, but regarding Japan and China fics, I recommend downloading the Asia edition of the following historical hetalia zine. The artists/writers are predominantly Asian and other POC. There’re multiple entries about Japan and China’s relationships with other Asians, listed chronologically below. A number explore Japanese imperialism really well too.

Zine link: hwsrazzledazzle(dot)itch(dot)io/hwsrazzledazzle02

versailles, 1919: comic touching on china and japan’s historical relationship and sino-japanese tensions after WWI.  

a bird’s eye view of the taiwan expo: art and fic exploring japanese colonialism in the 1930s, features taiwan, japan and south korea.

1942: japan focused-fic, character exploration about propaganda, nationalism and imperialism after the battle of midway.

wild: poem written from mongolia’s perspective in the 1960s but with references to china’s influence on her history.

the long spring: fic about china and manchuria/the qing dynasty. alternates between 1970s china and older flashbacks over the centuries.

letter from india to china: india reflecting on his relationship with china over the 20th century on the eve of the new millennium.

I encourage you and anyone else to also read the contributors' historical footnotes, to understand their characterization of Yao and Kiku and why it differs from how western fandom often overemphasizes them being soft, shy, cute, or emotionally-repressed/stunted next to more expressive white characters. I get that most ppl incl you aren’t ill-intentioned and are maybe thinking it makes Kiku (or Yao) endearing. But some tropes that are innocuous for white characters are condescending and inappropriate for fics where Yao and Kiku represent old nations. Because they stem from harmful, historical orientalist stereotypes that simplify, fetishize and infantilize east asians in very problematic ways to be love interests for white characters, and this was a distinct problem with how Kiku was depicted in SPE.

Additionally, intra-Asian relationships are important to providing more holistic characterization, because another issue is when i) historical hetalia fics make Japan or China disproportionately trusting or devoted to a white fave, while minimizing irl racism/imperialism they faced from said Western country in the interests of romance ii) while downplaying or omitting intra-Asian relationships that were in reality equally or far more important to Japan and China to center whiteness. As a Sino fan, I ship Asian+Western characters too (Eng/chu, Ame/pan), so I'm not against that. What I mean is being mindful, acknowledging unequal dynamics/grievances that did affect ties between that Asian and Western country as challenges the characters have to work through (or fail to do so, with consequences), and also visibly integrating Yao and Kiku's important relationships with other Asians into their characterization. Just as I’m sure few England fans would dispute France’s importance to England, even if Fruk isn’t their OTP, and would include him as a character in an England fic. I hope this all makes sense.

Thank you for the link and the additional context and explanation! It absolutely does make sense, thank you for taking the time to explain and send over, I really appreciate it.

#q&a

[miyuecakes]

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#hetalia #aph china #hws china #aph japan #hws japan #aph south korea #hws south korea #aph india #hws india #aph pakistan #hws pakistan #hws bangladesh #hetalia ocs #my art #please don’t unironically think southeast asians are actually south asians + east asians ITS A JOKE. JOKE #aph indonesia #hws indonesia #aph malaysia #hws malaysia #aph philippines #hws philippines #hws south asia #hws southeast asia #hws east asia

[mothergoddessofmadripoor]

This woman is not known for HW or globally like she's a local south east asian actress, yet she showed up like this to the PFW

And AB welllllllll 🤣🫠😂

[irithnova]

Songs that remind me of aph Mongolia/some aph Mongolia ships? (I'm sorry a few of these are English goth rock bands I can't help that I'm an edgelord)

Cities in dust - Siouxsie and the banshees. God I love this song. Its originally about Pompeii but I can see the lyrics relating to him and his past.

Something Wrong - Clan of Xymox. I can see this song being from from his POV towards another nation, idk if I should disclose what nation though as I don't want to come off insensitive but I do have my reasoning behind it. If you really want to know you can PM me! It's quite a bitter/angry song.

Driven like the snow - Sisters of Mercy. This song is super serious and idk why, I feel like that song would be his vibe during the cold war era?

Same deep water as you - The Cure. The lyrics are quite sad and the whole sound is sad. Again I can see this song being from his POV towards another nation/nation being thing. It's actually more than one nation. I'm not going to elaborate on why but the nations being: Tibet, N Korea, Inner Mongolia? I'm not sure if I personally headcanon inner Mongolia being a nation-being-thing yet. Must educate myself more.. I think I lean more towards yes though.

I have slept with all the girls in Berlin - Sisters of Mercy. Yeah I headcanon during his empire era he was kind of a manwhore so this is self explanatory. Of course he didn't sleep with girls from Berlin but you know there was a lot of people who entertained him (of all genders).

Nevernaya zhena - Fleur. This is a Russian song and for some reason its hard to find these days?? The song is about an unfaithful wife but the lyrics are like. The embodiment of a complicated, painful, toxic and secretive relationship. Unfortunately Monchu is a guilty pleasure of mine (sorry y'all) and yeah any toxic song I can come across like this reminds me of them.

Someone to spend time with - Los retros. Umm this is my tibmongol or Tibet x Mongolia song!! Just a sweet song about missing each other and wanting to spend more time together :)

She sells sanctuary - The cult. I don't know why but for some reason this song reminds me of like the Turkey x Mongolia ship. Maybe because the song just sounds so like happy and carefree and idk kind of like the shared history they had together when they were younger.

There are a lot of Mongolian songs I like but unfortunately I cannot find the English lyrics for all of them. I'm listing some of these off of the vibes they give me. Some modern, some traditional.

Novshroo - Starfish. Sounds like a chill af song makes me think of him just laying down in the steppe somewhere as the sun sets.

A sound - unexpected answer. Again, cannot find the English lyrics :( but its such a nice soft song, def another chill song for him.

LSB - Starfish. Can't find English lyrics :( but yes some nice chill and laidback songs after all of the edgy goth rock I've subjected you all to.

Tsaag agaar - The lemons. Very upbeat song!! This is a summer song for him :3

Altargana - Khusugtun. This song is very beautiful and an altargana is a steppe flower that survives very harsh conditions. Reminds me of his resilience? Also yes I am aware that this is a buryat song. I'm not sure if I characterise aph Mongolia as representing only the Khalkha majority and there are other personifications of different Mongol groups, or if he remains representing the Khalkha majority and a little bit of the different Mongolic ethnic groups? I've read a lot of things from Khalkhas and Buryats/different Mongol ethnic groups online so I'm not too sure... Should educate myself more on this topic..

Govi Nutag - Domog. Based. That's all I have to say.

Khoyor Ntugiin Erkh - Khusugtun. This song is mainly instruments/the morin khuur but wowow its so beautiful. There is part of the song with throat singing though!! It starts from 3:30 minutes and holy shit the sygyt is phenomenal!

#hetalia #Aph mongolia #Hws mongolia #Hetalia mongolia #Aph china #Hws china #Hetalia china #Aph tibet #Hws tibet #Hetalia Tibet #TibMongol #Aph turkey #Hws Turkey #Hetalia turkey #hetalia world twinkle #hetalia world series #hetalia world stars #Aph asians #Aph east asians #Aph east asia

[virtualmentalitylove]

Dear reader, (i forgot hw many entries this is now)

Okay. SO much to say.

I got the job for RMIT, but I have to finalize the offer

I have to finish murder module for criminal law

Start writing economics essay

Okay so it has been one day and I have not yet started.

I don't know when I will die. Maybe it's today, maybe tomorrow. "So when my time comes to be my turn" "so when I go which I must do" I know for a fact that I will regret my life and my decisions. I'll regret living my life vicariously through the lives of others, watching media that leads to brain rot, caring about people that don't care about me. Choosing to live a sinful and meaningless life. Although, I believe in Christ, I feel as though i am not living my life for christ, but for the flesh. The wills of the flesh. I want to be better, so I am going to start a new way of life. No more watching news that I don't understand (I believe now it is the conflcit and drama I enjoy in my life to subsititue for me not having a social life). I honestly even don't know what they're talking about in the news. Todday I was lazy, I ate too much, I wasted my time and sinned against God.

here are some things I want to learn to become the person I believe I need to be:

I want to start studying properly. Taking my academic work seriosuly will please my Parents and make me more disciplined and a better person.

I want to start studying the bible, not just memorizing scripture, but understanding the context, the history, the intepretation and other ideologies that contradict Christianity.

I wanna study history (ancient, mythology, biblical history, everything). When I mean study I don't just mean learn about history from youtube. But understand the significance in our lives. Specifically war, South East Asian history, the history no one ever talks about.

Learn languages I can use; tagalog, malay, Japanese, spanish, French, Chinese (mandarin) and so many more.

Learn about politics (not just what's going on in the world) but learn about the mechanism, diplomacy, the treaties.

Agriculture

It's already 1:35am Saturday morning

I can feel my brain rotting. Right now I am alnguishing in my own pain and sufferig. I feel so tired, yet I want to do so much. I know in the future, whether it be tomorrow or next week or ayear from now. I will look back on this moment and think why didn't I just do something, Why didn't I just supress my laziness and try. I don't liek to think about this, because if I did then I would have to think about all those times where I sepnt hours on my phone, the hours eating food when I wasn't hungry and all those times I wasted in my whole life. So I Want to try. I want to be better, but sometimes I feel that I am too attached to the past, too afraid. I remeber as a kid I felt like I could do everything. I don't know what it was, I feel like it was this spark or this unexplainable optimism. Thta made me believe I could learn everything. As I got older I lost that spark. What I once thought were possible seems to not be. But the dreams I once had as a child is still with me, I know that all fo it is not possible, but at the back of my mind there's still hope. That my 12 year old self has always wanted.

I feel like I have wasted my life, my parent's life. I dont know why I feel this way. Somethings are left unsaid, the worst feeling is being unable to comprehend your own emotions. Why did my lfie lead to this. Why am I like this.

Let's dissect my life;

The negatives: I hav etaken on more than I could possibly imagine. all the classess and responsibility i don't want. Being stuck in the past, still thinking of people who have forgotten me. Being surronded by endless information all the poeple on the internet telling me how to feel and what to do with myself. I feel like I've lost my sense of self. Only seeing the world through a screen has definitley harmed my sense of self. I feel like I need a detox from the internet, social media, endless amounts of pornography and all the people whose opinions I honestly don't care about. Living my life through imaginations and not reality has harmed me the most. But nothing in the world has set me back then these words "I'll do it next time".

The positives: I have a a good family. No matter what I've always had them. Although they annoy me to the pint where I sometimes don't want to be in the house. I still love them. I have the unending word of God, guiding me through life. I have access to unlimited knowledge and technology that some poeple can only dream of. I can read any books, watch videos on history, chemistry. I honestly believe one of the reasons that I am so sensitive and weak is because I lack the knowledge. I believe that knowledge will better poeple. Maybe I should live by this.

More positives;

I am studying 2 different courses (2 Bachelor degrees + 1 associates degree)

I am on track to becoming more healthy and more aware of my physical health.

I started walking this year for the very first time

I just came back on holiday from Japan and Philippines 4 months ago

I cna be better I am going to be better because I ahve no choice anymore.

[hedoughnism]

@max1461

So I’m also a secular atheist, but unlike you, I find myself drawn to that sort of neopagan gaia-worship , polytheist pansychist twisted east-Asian mishmash , shamanism, get high and try to talk to dolphins shit, And I’m … not really trying to persuade as much as get to an understanding,

Ok so getting the queer stuff out of the way first, I’m a gay guy, and Abrahamic religion sucks for that, like not just regular level “ of-course these lessons from this ancient society condone genocide and patriarchy and shit” I mean in the sense that homophobia* was just not a thing before , that thousands of years of “civilization” existed before some cranks in the levant Invented it , and the fact we just act like this make sense, some people really seem to treat homophobia as some primordial bad condition like tribalism and sexism as a natural default state of civilizations, feels bad, some people hyper-fixate on demons or stain-glass windows of Jesus or whatever and get their queer hands all over it , I look back on history and go. “ we’ve existed long before and will exist long after you” and like to think of this Abraham shit as a passing fad.

* This is long enough already, but your arguments otherwise are stupid and bad, your generally holding queer relationships to an impossible standard you can’t hold the straight relationships of the time to, and the nuances were highly varied in the greco-roman world let alone further afield. I would explain more but this is a tangent.

I’m also sort of Buddhist brained, “stoicism” is sometimes treated as the western equivalent of secular-Buddhism, but it didn’t catch on, or was warped into “ Tough Men don’t have feelings” nonsense, so yeah, Budhist philosophy speaks to me as someone low on drive and who cares about suffering and doesn’t really like existence.

Now polytheist stuff

I don’t believe in gods, but gods make more sense than A God. Because things that they’re are only one in the vague category of are rare, and because a bunch of lower power level spirits causing shit better explaisn stuff like “ the problem of evil” or “ conflict existing”

But There is more to it than that

Cause, when Y*hw*h became the only god, he didn’t really go from “ storm god” to “ god of everything” , he became the god of nothing

Gods are the personifications of complex phenomena , especially natural ones, Y*hw*h became the one God, but he did not become Mother Gaia, or the panpsychist universe as god, he became an empty god of nothing, a god with no sacred groves or springs or caves, not a god of the earth that we grow our food in and must tend, the world become mankind’s plaything he gave us,nothing sacred or special, just a toy to have fun breaking , his worship only in buildings with closed walls, not the open builds of Roman temples, monuments to mankind

And I’m a nature loving hippy, Ive tried to rationalize it https://placeholderatthemoment.substack.com/p/conservation-as-compassion-a-101 but it’s also an aesthetic preference, it is something that speaks deeply, ( largely cause its been the only alternative given to Conquer Everything and Everyone to Subjugate as part of Mans Domain since forever) , and I’m not a fan of noble-savagery, that sort of thing is very exaggerated, but I think there’s a tiny grain of truth that Abrahamism encourages a destructive approach to nature , and this callus attitudes against nature and wildlife seem to have peaked with the victorians, who defended over exploitation by saying god can always make more,

The last thing is… I low key think polytheism is reasonably likely , Here Me Out

So “ Who is sentient” is litteraly the Hard problem, very hard to tell, generally I include animals with centralized nervous systems ( bilaterians and clown jellies and box jellies) and exclude the rest, but there is some murkiness, I think there’s a reasonable possibility coral or even non animal stuff lime slime-molds are sentient , and also mycorrhizal networks

Now that’s not me saying “ the plant” or “ the fungus” is sentient, I thing thats negligible, but the entire system, all the fungi and roots together, of large numbers of organisms of many species, passing electrical and chemical signals between each other, I give it like a 10-20% chance

Now its wouldn’t be the tree that’s sentient, or the fungi sentient. This isn’t your bog-standard sentient organism, this is something that is sentient, but isn’t an organism , this is quite literally/ the spirit of the forest/ AKA a forest god, this is just the most obvious example of a type of god that might exist, their is a good chance there are more

Yeah so that’s my mishmash of why that sort of shit appeals / speak-to me, even if most of is is anti scientific non sense I don’t believe :)

[stirringwinds]

Hello! Long time fan of your account, and sorry for the long question.

About HWS Japan's relationship with China I would see him already having troubles with him before western intervention as I am currently reading about East Asian's relationships, Tang China and Silla (modern day South Korea) defeated Japan and Baekje (who had ties with the royal family in Japan) would that affect their relationship already? I hc Kiku feeling like Yao was not a very nice guy to be around but nevertheless a good teacher (fanboy of the Tang dynasty's culture but boi this guy is horrible type of relationship)

Since China historically favoured Korea (with benefits) it makes sense for South Korea to get along with China (considering that Silla's territories are South Korean and Goguryeo North Korea's and Silla played smarts by having Tang back them into fighting against Baekje and Goguryeo) but for most of the history it seems that Japanese and Chinese interactions were chaotic, with the Ningbo incident, the battle of baekgang and battle of imjin river where China helped Korea to defeat Japanese expansionism.

I am now seeing Japan as kinda of a Zuko to his family (no blood ties)

@thepianistblogsbasedonhumanities: hey, thanks for the very detailed (and interesting) question! this is my personal take on kiku and yao before the 20th century (from my POV as a diaspora Chinese/SEAsian):

- deep cultural influences, intimacy and enmity often go hand-in-hand, for nations that are neighbours—and so it is for Kiku and Yao. This is something I see even for nations I headcanon as siblings by blood—for example, with England and Scotland, Wales, Ireland, regarding the historical impact of English dominance and cultural imperialism on them, both before and after the British Empire became a world power. In the case of Kiku and Yao, I don’t see them as related or ever perceiving the other that way—at most, it was confined to how the Chinese tributary system sometimes deployed familial metaphors (such as how the academic literature describes Ming China and Joseon Korea being likened to a ‘older-younger brother dynamic’ in the Chinese imperial worldview. Likewise, I wouldn’t see Yao or Yong-soo as actually related either).

- for Yao and Kiku specifically, a somewhat regicidal mentor-protégé dynamic: as you point out, Sino-Japanese conflicts existed long before Japan was influenced by Western empires. How I see it: while Alfred and other circling Western powers did alter Kiku’s attitude towards Yao and Yong-soo from what it was during isolationism, Japanese imperial ambitions are not new in the larger sweep of 2000+ years of history. Kiku might have waged the 1894 Sino-Japanese War and annexation of Korea in western uniforms and with a westernized military—but it still mirrors the 16th century Imjin/Chongyu Wars and the 663 CE Battle of Baekgang in the pattern of Sino-Japanese conflicts involving Korea. If anything, imo, some of Kiku’s ambitious streak comes from Yao’s influence (rather than simply copying the Western powers). After all, even during those calm stretches where he and Yao were on friendly terms, he’s watching Yao doing what empires do—i.e the conquest of the “Baiyue” tribes who originally lived in Southern China, of Vietnam, or the Ming war against the Sinhalese kingdom of Kotte during Zheng He’s voyages.

- while by modern standards, this does seem like a tumultuous relationship, I see the helltalias being more accustomed to this, existing in eras where empire and warfare were treated as normalised byproducts of international relations. I feel like Kiku alternatingly admires, envies and resents Yao (sometimes all at once), but all the same, I don’t think he always found Yao uniquely horrible—if only because he never expected a man who is an empire to be nurturing or soft (even if Yao is capable of showing that side when he wants to). I’m a bit fuzzy re: when they first meet, but if I take the Han dynasty/ Yayoi period (based on the earliest found mention of Japan in Chinese records)? This is the era of the Roman, Persian and Gupta empires—and like them, Han dynasty Yao is also a conqueror. He's rather what Kiku expects of an empire: kind of great, terrible, intimidating and fascinating culturally all at once. From Kiku’s POV, Yao is a man comfortable with a sword as he is an inkbrush, a warlord occupied with political schemes—but also the sort who would halt his warhorse to admire the plum blossoms by the Yangtze river and compose a poem. During those Japanese embassies to the subsequent Tang dynasty, I see it similarly—for all the cosmopolitan artistic developments Kiku’s keen to learn about, he’s well aware of the Tang expansion into Central Asia, and of course the Battle of Baekgang in Korea where he’s actually at war with Yao.

- Imo, pre-20th century Kiku still tended to regard Yao as a sort of standard for what “power” and “civilization” looked like. In that vein, I headcanon the Opium Wars being more uniquely shocking to Kiku compared to the Manchu or Mongol conquests of China—while both had enormous repercussions, the Opium Wars represented a more drastic overturning of the Chinese worldview—including those tenets Kiku incorporated into his own culture centuries ago. Now, it seems as though all this is ossified, irrelevant and decadent—next to Western industrialisation and ways of thinking. We might think, but regimes come and go, don't they? However, Kiku’s accustomed to Yao being atop the hierarchy for centuries, or at least being regarded as culturally sophisticated, even by his enemies (the Manchu and Mongols both being open to adopting certain elements of Chinese culture, even if partly motivated by fostering a sense of legitimacy with the larger population). And so, even when Kiku was in a long-term and intensely romantic relationship with Jan/Johan (Ned) and was learning about Western culture from him before 1853, he still retained many of his Chinese-influenced customs (such as Confucian philosophy or the way the kimono was influenced by the Chinese hanfu).

-  so, overall—my personal take on Kiku and Yao before the 20th century is deep cultural influence, steeped in a complicated and contradictory relationship. Ultimately, I also feel this sort of Janus-faced dynamic isn’t unprecedented between neighbouring nations who have a long history together. And they clash because they’re similar in some ways; having a deep vein of artistry, but also sharp-edged pride and ambition. Yao regards him as an upstart: perhaps a good learner who is savvy at adapting and incorporating what he learns—but also a troublemaker who needs to be reminded his place (Imjin/Chongyu Wars, the Ningbo Incident etc). For his part, imo, Kiku doesn’t really try to deny that Yao is his mentor and during calmer eras, admiration might be stronger than envy or resentment for Yao—but personality-wise, imo Kiku has a strong streak of pride and ambition— and not enough reverence to always accept the Chinese imperial hierarchy.

#thepianistblogsbasedonhumanities #hetalia #hws china #hws japan #hws korea #hetalia headcanons #hope that answers it! #long post

[vulpes-incendium]

Sooo im tryna set up a blog just for info about the Asians so that it's tidier and easier to navigate. I at first want to just focus on the East Asians (cuz I'm not very familiar with the rest of Asia, Asia's gigantic ya know), but I thought maybe I can reblog from blogs I know are trustworthy or maybe collab with them? What do yall think? An ask blog? Or just a reblog blog of info?

Also, any good asian-focus blogs yall can recommend? These are the trustworthy ones I know:

Korea info: @alfredtalia

Vietnam info: @cupofkey

Thailand info: @shadowaswin

Great headcanons: @mysticalmusicwhispers

(and myself would be HK)

#Hetalia #Aph asians #Aph east asians #Hws asians #Hws east asians

[honda-nihon-kiku]

Japan: happy new year (∂ω∂)

Hong Kong: Happy new year! ٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و

Taiwan: Happy new year (≧▽≦)

S Korea: HAPPY NEW YEAR! ♬(ノ゜∇゜)ノ♩

China:

Taiwan: sensei? （ﾟдﾟ）?!

China:

China:

China: It's not Chinsese new year yet aru

#Happy new year! #bring back hetalia 2k20 #2020 #aph #hetalia #hws #aph china #hws china #aph japan #hws japan #aph taiwan #hws taiwan #aph korea #hws korea #aph hong kong #hws hong kong #aph hk #hws hk #aph east asians #hws east asians #aph asians #hws asians #aph asian brothers #hws asian brothers #incorrect quotes