#like whats are they like as individuals what are the character dynamics like

[conflictofthemind]

Thoughts on "Escape from Camazotz"

Oppressive Suburbia, Conformity, and Season 5 Themes

I've long thought that a major focus of Season 5 will be the contrast between the families of The Wheelers and The Byers, and exploring how non-traditional family environments can be freeing vs the oppressive structure of the nuclear family.

In a Wrinkle In Time, Camazotz is a planet controlled by the big bad of the book, the "IT", who forces the citizens into a conformity that resembles American suburbia. All of the houses the same, the citizens the same, doing the same things at the same time without individual identity. Without anything different. Different means a lot of things, but with Stranger Things dropping different in reference to Will's identity and the presumable themes of this season, it will heavily codify as queerness and how it threatens the cisheterosexual family model.

Henry was raised in the 1950s, a decade still revered by conservatives for it's traditional family dynamics that supposedly were the peak of culture and happiness for all. That was all a lie, of course, and Henry knew so as he shows to Nancy and Eleven during his monologue. The second most conservative decade aside from the 1950s in American society is widely considered to be the 1980s.

The Creels will serve in parallel to The Wheelers; the worst example of what they could become and the damage that this type of family could do to a child that is different in any way. Notice how Vecna selectively shows Nancy visions of The Wheelers dying, but not anyone else she may consider family or friends (like Jonathan).

That is; unless they change their ways and come together as a healthy functioning family facing their traumas, The Wheelers will be toast.

Karen has been moved up to a main character role this season. Ted's actor says the father starts to show up more for Holly (hold that) and realizes he wants to act differently. Holly has been recast. Finn has said Mike goes on a much more personal journey this season, and steps up as a leader.

Oh, also: the catalyst for all of this is that Holly goes missing. The contrast will help show how the Byers (including El and Hopper here) were able to pull together and help solve Will's disappearance, versus how the Wheelers as a closed off nuclear family grapple with Holly's vanishing.

Each of the Byers is in some kind of a non-1950s conformist relationship, but particularly Will (not in one now but we all know he will be). I think El might represent, after she breaks up with Mike, the fear of the unmarried woman being satisfied without a husband. The above shot really emphasizes my point.

I predict that Will will end up coming out to his family rather early on, and we will see all of them immediately accept him with little surprise or push-back. Will is a visible gay man who comes from an open minded non traditional family (divorced, non-married, adoptive) that is willing to have honest conversations.

But this theme will place the most focus on the Wheelers. Mike is the main character of said family and this will particularly focus on his arc, and his acceptance of his queerness in the midst of suburban conformity.

He is not visible, he comes from a Reagan-supporting family who don't communicate with each other. He is not particularly close with his family like Will is. He pushes his feelings down and tries his damn hardest to be normal despite it all. His trauma hasn't really been addressed at all. He is falling back into his usual habits - the one thing he dared to do different (grow his hair long) has gone back to how it was.

It's not all doom and gloom though. This season above all will be a redemption arc of the American nuclear family, how they choose to escape their conformity and learn to be there for each other, thus overpowering Vecna. Not that the Wheelers are going to end this personally.

"Great, more hysteria. Just what we need". "It's the news, now indistinguishable from the tabloids".

#stranger things #mike wheeler #the wheelers #the byers family #byler #will byers #st5 speculation #henry creel #the specificity of this title alone and the themes gives me no doubt that these are all real #i also think this is the episode where byler is canonized and where mike finally escapes conformity #holly wheeler #ted wheeler #karen wheeler #i didnt really mention nancy at all sorry girl #if youre reading this PLEASE search up my username on youtube you will find it SO RELEVANT

[elasbubble]

I watched 911 kinda regularly - without really being part of the fandom. Which to be honest seems to be healthier. Some fans are super intense and obsessed with the idea of Buck and Eddie. I never saw it really but I have to say I really like the development with Buck and Tommy.

So I never shipped Buck and Eddie romantically. I love their relationship and how close they are but I never thought there is more or there needs to be more. Now that I checked some tags here I see how popular they are and how many think that this recent development means that Buck and Eddie become a thing.

And of course I cannot say this never will be an option also regarding with how much attention they get even now. But there are some things that do not make sense to me if the plan is to pair them up.

Because A) to make them a couple they kinda have to repeat the storyline again. Buck - mostly presented as straight for six seasons - realized he is also interested in men. So at one point Eddie - who has also been only presented as straight so far - has to go through the same process to make them become a thing. So the audience would see a very similar storyline twice. And I can’t imagine that the show runners would just tell the same story again.

B) If the plan is to put these two together - why include the detour with Tommy. Why not just tell the storyline with Eddie from the start. Have them experience a very close moment in which both realize - oh it’s you who I love. Because Eddie needs to have the realisation at one point anyways to make this work. So they could just tell the story with the two of them.

C) If Buck and Eddie are together. The creators would limit themselves in telling future stories. Because Eddie and Buck already share a lot of screen time. Also have them be romantically involved would make it almost impossible to separate them and show them with other characters. It would be like work together, hang out together, go home together etc etc. So far, their individual love interests - apart from family issues - is pretty much the only thing that kinda separates them and allows the creators to tell individual storylines.

D) What would really change when they are together? Kinda goes hand in hand with the previous point. Both are super close. They care about each other. They love each other. What would change if they become a couple. Nothing except they might kiss here and there. The dynamics will remain pretty much the same.

#911 on abc #evan buckley #tommy kinard #eddie diaz

[imperialstark]

since i'm sharing my mcu thoughts tonight, i always wished ca:tfa was more stylized. like, can you imagine if it had been shot in black and white? or shot like a documentary with different characters narrating steve's life? the black and white giving way to color the second steve realizes he's in 2011.

#steve rogers #captain america: the first avenger #marvel #mcu #i also would have liked more than a single montage to get to know the howlies #like whats are they like as individuals what are the character dynamics like #i feel like they could have achieved that with a few more scenes showing bucky's side of the war #i also would have liked to get to know what bucky was like without steve #i feel like so much of bucky's character is reliant on steve so i'm like ''okay he was steve's best friend. what else is he.'' #just ca:tfa could have used a lot more character building moments #gabi overshares #mutuals please interact

[cottagecore-raccoon]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Persuasion has my favorite premise of all of Jane Austen's novels

Anne Elliot as a character speaks to my soul. She feels tremendous guilt for a decision she made eight years ago. Her life is lonely, as she doesn't really have anyone she can truly confide in despite being surrounded by people. So she swallows her pain, the yearning she feels deep in her soul, and vows that if nothing else at least she'll be helpful.

And of course she is reunited with Frederick Wentworth (the one that got away) who seems to hate her now, and she just keeps going. She keeps being kind and supporting her loved ones while slowly carving out a life for herself. There's something about her classic heroism that just feels so attainable. I don't have Elizabeth Bennett's wit, or Jane Bennett's unwavering belief in the goodness of everyone, or even Elinor's constant composure. But I can be like Anne and just keep moving forward attempting to be helpful

Of course it all works out in the end, and Anne is finally surrounded by people who truly appreciate her, even if she had to wait an extra eight years. Others have observed the fairy tale quality of the ending, and perhaps that's why it speaks to me. The idea that if you just keep doing your best and being kind, you'll eventually find happiness

#Would I say that Persuasion is my favorite of Jane Austen's novels? #I don't think ss #Pride and Prejudice is her most well written in my humble opinion #and i do with persuasion had more characters that were fully interesting individuals #and of course I would love more of an actual period of time where Anne and Wentworth are together in the narrative #since we never see what they're like as a happy couple or before their separation #(unlike Austen's other couples where you can see hints of their dynamic before they're together) #but the premise of persuasion is just so beautiful #persuasion #anne elliot #pride and prejudice #jane austen #cottagecore-raccoon

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

M'lady, doth this harlot bother thee?

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#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #yu ziyuan #wang lingjiao #jinzhu #yinzhu #I just want to take a moment to shine a spotlight on YZY's maids. #I fully admit to forgetting about them until I was looking up female characters in mdzs for the Six AU and saw their names. #For characters who play a small role in the story I sure do rotate the little morsels of info we know about them in my head. #We know they came from the Yu sect along with YZY and described as 'young women' so did they likely were young when they left #And we know that YZY favours them immensely (to the point she lets them speak a lot more freely than she does her own children) #And they in turn are extremely loyal to herand very skilled fighters. #So what's up with that dynamic? Who are they to her? Who are they to each other? Who are they as individuals? #My theory is that they were initially servant girls YZY took in and trained (hence the whip proficiency) #I also very much love the idea of this double standard; that YZY has these surrogate 'children' she favours over her own #to shadow JFM's affection for WWX (child who is not his own). #Jiang Cheng and Jiang Yanli just keep losing!!! #Anyways I just think we should hoist jinzhu and yinzhu up more. I think they have minor character swag and potential.

[paintingformike]

mlvns will accuse bylers of only seeing mike as an accessory to will but if you ask them what they think mike’s arc is outside of his romantic relationship it’s crickets...

#as if we havent been the ones recognizing that mike has his own individual arc about conformity and self worth #and his internal struggles about his sexuality 😭 #funny thing is ive never seen them discuss mike’s feelings of inferiority and worthlessness in his own relationship... #bc they know it looks bad for their ship lmfao #also will’s literally the only one shown to aid in mike’s growth as a character. #like he isnt even the gf but hes the one reassuring mike making him feel loved and important #dont you think they wouldve resolved the unequal dynamic in mlvn’s relationship #by having el be the one to assure mike that she loves him regardless of what he can offer her... #like will cant be the one playing the role of mike’s partner constantly #he literally knows about mike’s deep thoughts and insecurities more than el does... #imagine seeing this play out in any other relationship 😭 #byler

[justafriendofxanders]

i go back and forth a lot on my interpretations of ats s5, ie. what parts of spike are 'in character' or not, but the one thing that stays constant is my belief that spike and angel fucking would have fixed most of this.

#not that it would have fixed their problems i just mean it would introduce new problems that i would find entertaining as a viewer #anyways i don't like saying a character would NOT say/do that but sometimes i'm not sure if he (spike) SHOULD do that #in terms of showing off the more interesting parts of a character while also carving out a unique arc/dynamic for him on a new tv show #ats rw #i think what's misunderstood about spike is that he's NOT a solo sigma male lone vigilante bad boy action hero #like i think angel is actually the one who has a history of isolating himself #but spike is your friend who always has to be in a relationship (which i think btvs got correct with harmony) #idk. i think oz has that line in btvs where he's like 'i gotta go do that guy thing where i isolate myself now' #and i think that gets transposed onto spike when he goes on the 'guy show' doing 'guy things' #and then kinda blended up with the tension that many of the guys on ats experience between #being a tough guy capable of doing things on his own versus the desire to belong in a crew #but like. that's not a 'guy' thing that applies to all men. that's a thing that certain individuals experience. and spike is not one of the #like i don't think spike cares about how he fits in with society or the collective but i think he DOES care about how individuals #he's close to perceive him #anyways. today on 'reading too much into a tv show that stopped airing 20 years ago' #i gotta make a separate post about this #buffyposting

[theskymahtin]

yo WHY did I never notice that hennessy HAS A FISH SCALE TATTOO ? aka a tattoo probably very similar to the one she later gives ronan.......... i need a moment

[Image ID: photograph of a paragraph from pg 70 of Call Down the Hawk.

Transcript: She had changed since she'd left in the car. Her kinky hair was now pulled up in a ragged black topknot. She wore tinted glasses, a rabbit fur coat, a lace bralette white against her dark skin, and leather leggings that exposed a fish-scale tattoo on her lower calf. More pastel tattoos covered her knuckles, which were also smeared with paint. He still couldn't tell how old she was. She could be twenty-five. She could be seventeen.]

#finally rereading tdt can you tell #ALSO i was going to make a post about this last nighg but instead i will go on about it here on the tags of an unrelated post #like a very organized individual #i forgot that adams friends at havard were all canonically flamboyantly gay and that fletcher called ronan hot #and i am DISTRAUGHT that we didn't get more of them #i want to know more about their dynamic i want adam to come clean to them and i want them to get to know ronan better #and also meet the others #imagine a world in which they got dragged into the drama...... #as if we didnt have enough characters to worry about i know #forever sad that we didnt get to see more of what adam was going through #although i know it's necessary for the narrative #maybe i should write more fanfictipn #the dreamer trilogy #call down the hawk #hennessy #mine #on the point of this post though . like . fuck i dont remember if its like laid out for us ehat the tattoo MEANS to hennessy or not #i dont have my copy of greywaren on me rn #im gonna go insane #why did hennessy get that tattoo on the first place? on a whim or is there some significance? does it have any bearing on her giving it to #ronan? #or at least a similar tattoo #going insane

[smilesrobotlover]

Rewatching Clone Wars and Rebels and I just gotta say it. Star Wars peaked with those shows. I love them so much

#the clone wars was so unique cuz it was focused on main characters #but it also had 4 episode arcs with different characters #like you weren’t always with the same characters #and the character arcs were SO good man #and it wasn’t scared to touch on the horrors of war and the complications of politics #and it individualized the clones in such a wonderful ways #and traumatized me so much with the amount of on screen deaths #10/10 show I love it so much #and then Rebels only really focuses on the small group of characters #but my gosh the dynamics are just so fun #idk what happened but the soul got sucked out of Star Wars #I will forever be a Disney Star Wars hater #idk if rebels is Disney Star Wars #but I suppose it was at a time when Disney was making actual good stuff #regardless the modern Star Wars is awful #I watched the first two episodes of Ahsoka and I’m not impressed #I’m going in with high standards cuz the low standards are giving people too much credit #but yeah #that show def should’ve been animated man #these live action actors can’t show an ounce of emotion #like ever #what is wrong with these people #sorry I need to calm down I’m so salty about what happened to Star Wars lol #anyways clone wars and rebels are amazing #they have their flaws but they’re so good in their own ways with delightful characters #smiles rambles

[kohakhearts]

yeah im thinking about the full version of 1・2・3 again yeah its making my brain a little mushy about The Characters

#taylor.txt #the lyrics in that song are insane has ANYONE gone through and determined which parts are sung by whom #because im bad at distinguishing voices so some parts im not sure if its both of them or not #either way lyrically this song is crazy. like its not the only ash and companion duet op but it has VASTLY different flavour #high touch walked so 1・2・3 could run frankly and boy did it ever #i would so happily analyze the full version lyrics so hard if anyone asked just saying #thematically goh is such a good companion and yeah WHATEVER we know im biased by shipping goggles but like. they did something so #INTERESTING and UNIQUE with that dynamic which is really compounded in jn being ash’s last series #and it reflects so well in the lyrics of the song like there is so much to say about their development as characters #and its so interesting compared to say high touch where its like. yeah this is a song ABOUT their relationship #1・2・3 is arguably that as well but fundamentally its all in the thesis of the series which is about how relationships strengthen your #INDIVIDUAL goals and actions and shape you as a Person and how those are things that like #yeah other people influence you and motivate you but at the end of the day youre still making the choice to try but whatever choice you make #that friendship doesnt just go away. it bolsters you! makes you a better person! helps you grow up!!! #idk what im saying now idk i just head full. many thoughts. btw if you havent listened to the full version like. fully. highly recommend #its just a genuinely good song like tbh it has no right being such an unironic bop but it is and i love it

[outrunningthedark]

@ anon (you'll know who you are)

#completely agree #people are taking the latest info so personally #but anyone who is aware of the situation SHOULD be able to make sense of why it MAY have been up to the individual #someone dealing with their own shit does not owe a fan base a queer arc if that's not where they're at rn??? #plus the answers are still definitely giving 'i like things the way they are' #ie it's important to HIM that the audience learn to look at two male characters as best friends who can be close w/o being in love #or in one of the newer ones saying that the hints have been there for the other half to go on this journey #and then the comment about potentially losing what makes a dynamic so special if you just cave and give fans what they want #and btw the reaction to the implication that he MAY have said no is exactly why he has to play it safe in these interviews #people can't handle it #tina speaks

[lisbonsteresa]

knees weak, arms are heavy

#listen it's too late for me to be very articulate about it (and i'm only on s3 now; the rest of the show is kind of hazily blending) but #one of the things i find most interesting about the red john plot...or jane's pursuit of red john maybe #is how ...individualized? it is #obviously the characters have different opinions on it - is his mission right; is it justified; would it help him; would it condemn him #and you as a viewer can side with one opinion more than others (and the opinions change as the show goes on -it's dynamic #which is another interesting but separate train of thought) #but imo/iirc the show itself - the narrative i guess - never makes any outright statement/judgement/comes to any definitive conclusion #on the matter #idk it's just even this - obviously everything's part of the larger narrative but at the same time #his asking does illustrate at least some level of doubt that he didn't seem to have in the last two seasons #is it because of lisbon; and the team; because of kristina; because of the strain it's putting on himself #(probably not the last one; he is demonstrably cavalier when it comes to his own wellbeing) #and he just happens to have the perfect man to express those doubts to right in front of him #(and that man just happens to be noah bennet alskdfja) #had winter said no what would his reaction have been? would his doubts have gotten worse - led to him taking a step towards giving it up? #would he have doubled down? we have no way of knowing because for this man; for this character it was worth it #and that helps shore up jane's belief that it would still be worth it to him too #idk i'm not making sense but it just feels like there's a level of grey area/audience interpretation to this story #rather than a hard line being drawn (by the story itself) on whether the actions taken in it are good or bad and i appreciate that #character-focused vs a morality tale maybe but that's more of an extreme phrasing #anyway ignore me i'm - #tm

[mothheart]

I haven't mentioned it because there's still a million things on my mind I have yet to talk about but I truly cannot put into words how in love I am with the stable trotters

#i cant tell you how exciting it is to have more dynamic characters that not only serve a significant purpose but also #really feel like true tloz characters. u know what i mean #i dunno i still love botw and always will but i admit one thing that always felt lacking was an array of dynamic characters #you know. the real wacky and or charming types #so basically im just very satisfied. feeling a lot of nostalgia with the reintroduction of more classic zelda elements in totk #i think its the perfect mix of classic zelda and the much newer botw style yk. i like it. thats exactly what i hoped for from it #it does kind of make botw look like a tech demo in comparison #totk spoilers #tears of the kingdom spoilers #tears of the kingdom #i willl continue to spoiler tag my own rambling posts as spoilers for anything that feels significant enough for them btw. #but my blog itself is not a spoiler safe place #because im too static brained to tag individual games or spoilers for every single post i reblog #miles rambles

[cold-neon-ocean]

I know most people HC Baatar being closest to Huan of all the Beifond siblings, but lately I’ve been thinking a lot about how Baatar and Opal could have realistically had a lot of common ground for a while being the only two non-benders, and then things getting very awkward when Opal gets airbending~ I have a lot of thoughts about Baatar struggling with having an older sibling inferiority complex and that would definitely be one of the nails in his coffin. I’m certain Kuvira was also a contributing factor in the rift in their relationship as Baatar gets closer with her despite how she and Opal Do Not get along and Opal could feel a bit betrayed by that. 

Conversely I think there is also a lot to think on regarding Baatar and Huan really struggling to connect, what with Huan being everything Baatar isn’t, and Baatar being everything Huan is afraid of becoming. They’re as polar opposite as they could possibly be.

But those are two separate subjects that are worth elaborating on their own later lol 

#LoK Thoughts #[ I could talk about all the little intricate dynamics between Baatar and his siblings for days #I feel like Huan definitely knew more than most what was going on with him #as well as between him and Kuvira #but he wouldn't be the sort to put Baatar's business on blast #it sucks Huan was essentially a charicature in the show #like for all his individuality shpiel he was written so one note and given nothing to do #which is a shame because he and Baatar's polarizing characters would have been so interesting to delve into #but that would be asking for a shred of decent canon Baatar content #which is clearly too much to ask of the writers lol ]

[titansarmy]

“kronos will never tempt me again”. thalia you can say luke. and i mean it was kronos but also, the promise of taking over the gods was literally tied to luke. it was a promise of her and luke, ruling together. it always goes back to luke. it’s all about their little family. 

#INCONSOLABLE #the three of them together are top tier rick dynamic #honestly thats what hoo was missing. a bit more of complicated backstories between the characters that added to why choices were Hard. #like each individual character had very complicated backstories but they didn't interact with one another's a lot if i am not mistaken

[hefoundme]

eleven/clara not being a widely liked dynamic anymore the world is healing btw

#and i love both individually. but 7b is an awful season and there is nothing interesting about that dynamic. #and its made me incredibly mad since i was like 11. idc. #bc all u have to do is watch s8/9 to know that clara can actually be a vastly complex and interesting character #and then its like. why would u ever go back. #7b they were like. well. what is her character plot. what if she was kinda like amy #but shes not amy. is the thing. #and they made it way worse and way more Woman's Sole Purpose In Life Is This Guy #she just became so much more compelling once they gave that up