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因为疫情被困在海外三年，因为当初没预料到会有后面的形势，以为很快就可以回家，所以没有带电脑，而这边的电脑都是外文版，虽然也下载了全拼字符等等，但一些软件和常用文档毕竟没有中文版好用。所以我原本没想过回国前写文的——关键是即使写了，也容易编辑不好或者保存不住，作为丢了太多文的我宁愿把一些脑洞存到回家那一天，也不愿意白浪费工夫。

但自从机缘巧合回归到SS圈后（其实我不承认自己是回归，因为在我心里爱始终没变过，只承认长大后有太多不得已和分心的事情让我暂时把注意力放在了别处，但内心深处的爱没有变过），一边看了很多文和各种分析、言论，一边又有抑制不住的写文冲动。

偏赶上恰好在一个我原本意想不到的地方找到了以为永远丢失的文（至少是大部分文），不管是出于攒RP考虑还是什么，忽然就考虑还是应该写点什么。即使不会把那么快把脑洞变成文，即使也许很少人看，但除了搬运旧文之外，至少说说我个人这么些年（尤其是看了很多言论之后）的一些感受和想法。

简单说一下我自己，即使不是最早，我应该也是相当早的一批圣迷了。不计月份只看年的话，今年是我与SS结缘的第32个年头。当然，我最早看的是动画版，而且还记得第一次看的时候那个场景：星矢和瞬奔跑在十二宫的阶梯上，撒加坐在教皇厅静思：“他们只是青铜战士……还有第十二宫，双鱼宫……”后来因为种种原因又中断了几集，等我正式看动漫的时候，就是北欧篇战役开场。

就我个人感想而言，即便当时不知道北欧篇属于动画原创，但接受片中设定是理所当然的。如果地球上的冰雪融化了，海水上涨淹没了整个世界，所有人和动物不是都死了？雅典娜和希露达各司其职，因为职责范围不一样，所以不能彻底代替希露达阻止冰雪融化，但她的自我牺牲缓解了冰雪融化的进程，也就是给圣斗士们解决这个难题缔造了时机。虽然青铜圣斗士们习惯性地喊“为了雅典娜”，但这战争一不是雅典娜发起的，二来胜利了也不只是雅典娜受益——事实上雅典娜除了被风雪侵蚀外得到了什么？受益的应该是世界上的芸芸众生才对啊！

包括海皇篇的故事逻辑也一样。不管雅典娜是否接受朱利安的求婚，海皇的目的都是淹没这个世界。如果雅典娜自私一点的话，完全可以接受求婚（当时我还小，不理解希腊神话里十二主神之一的

智慧女神可以有接受求婚之外的选择，比如回归奥林匹斯山），所有一切不就都伤害不着她了？她完全是为了更多的人决意牺牲自己啊！

不止是我，和我一起的小伙伴们，可能会争辩最喜欢一辉还是紫龙，争辩那些敌人里是海王子克修拉还是苏兰特武功更高，但对于基本的是非黑白却从没有过分歧。

接触到SS漫画是在1995年，海南摄影美术出版社以《女神的圣斗士》为名翻译出版的。就不提当时的我为了攒齐一套漫画多辛苦了，总之，我在那时候第一次知道还有冥界篇，也在那薄薄的一册《突破！叹息的墙壁！》漫画前哭的稀里哗啦，从此脑海里自然而然深深铭刻上了“我们是手足兄弟，这些兄弟已经到了告别的时刻……”的感言。

在我来说，我爱黄金圣斗士，也爱青铜圣斗士，或者说我爱每一个圣斗士，好像就是在那些年里如细水长流一样自发刻在了骨子里。当然，必须说因为东映动画刻意专门打压其他人而尬捧星矢的行为，有一个时期我和一起攒漫画的小伙伴都很讨厌星矢（向星矢的粉丝道一句歉，那时候年纪小，而且我始终认为星矢被骂最大的责任在东映，拼命加戏拼命力捧，甚至不惜为此暗搓搓黑其他人，完全违背了漫画本意）。

但除此外我从没想过会不爱任何一个圣斗士。也许会像十指还不一般齐那样分出第一喜欢和第二喜欢，但每一根手指都是心头肉，都不容亵渎。黄金战士是伟岸的兄长，是永远的丰碑和神，而青铜战士，是他们寄托了希望的后辈，是继承了他们精神和荣耀的未来。包括白银战士，虽然因为各种原因大多数人没能等到圣战，但不管是刚正不阿的仙王座，还是“除了女神之外没人能与我争辉”的蜥蜴座，或是想为朋友报仇的武仙座等人，包括最后的天琴座，他们欠缺的只是机遇，而不是作为战士的能力和勇气。

这个过程中我也在长大，小学期间还比较轻松，升入中学后因为离开了以前无话不谈的小伙伴，也因为课业的压力，虽然对SS的爱没变，但却很少能找到可以一起讨论的人，也由此觉得孤单。

直到2004年初，甫进入大学的我第一次接触到百度贴吧。

在互联网上找到同好的激动还没平复，我就被那种无处不在的恶意惊呆了。仅仅是因为我发的第一帖表述了一下对童年时候喜欢的青铜战士的想念，跟贴就充斥了铺天盖地的冷嘲热讽，什么“还以为说的是黄金战士，原来是小强啊”、“看着深情款款，原来说的是小

强，闪了腰”之类，不一而足。但最令我震惊的不是这个，而是对雅典娜和青铜战士那种恶毒的揣测和敌意。

如果说喜欢一个角色与否是个人的选择，旁人无权置喙。但在我的认知里，起码要遵循一定的逻辑，从客观事实出发判断角色的属性和特点。可是那个时候，谩骂雅典娜“弱”，嫌弃她永远是被动等人施救已经是最轻级别的攻击了，我曾经试图和人解释“以北欧篇和海界篇为例，就算是不救雅典娜，难道世界就能和平？大地就能避免被洪水淹没的命运？雅典娜明明是代替了人类被全世界的洪水加身，怎么能算被动等待施救？”

得到的答案是“就算是这样我还是不喜欢她”，活脱脱一副“我知道你无辜，但我就是要说你撞了我”的碰瓷嘴脸。

至于其他各类攻击性言论更是令人匪夷所思，除了臆测和脑补的阴谋论之外，就是各种无视原著内容而颠倒黑白的人身攻击。攻击雅典娜，臆想雅典娜的种种黑暗，却把哈迪斯脑补成了无辜的白莲花。

比如无视冥界十二宫的内容，故意无视是冥界先派人闯入圣域刺杀雅典娜，揭开了终极圣战的序幕，而红口白牙咬定“冥王热爱和平，是雅典娜在挑衅”。不仅假装看不见死去的圣斗士本来是好好躺在冰地狱的，如果不是冥界先起了野望试图利用他们，他们怎么可能回到圣域，就连明晃晃跟在撒加等人身后的那些闯进十二宫的冥斗士都被选择性忽略掉了。

还比如故意把雅典娜和圣斗士们维护人类的战斗阴谋论化，不知道出于何种目的曲解成“那本身就是神和神之间争权夺利的战争，所谓圣战就是把人类当成棋子”。刻意忽视海皇的“洪水灭世”和冥王的“永恒日蚀”，假装没有看到波塞冬对雅典娜发出的“奥林匹斯众神一定会对你庇护人类的行为做出惩罚”的威胁，以及冥王“雅典娜你一定会被这崩溃的极乐净土吞噬”的诅咒。

当然更不会想到假如真的只是神之间的权力之争，波塞冬和哈迪斯怎么可能会发出那样的威胁，作为失败者的波塞冬又怎么可能会在最后关头帮助封印自己的“仇人”输送黄金圣衣？

有些人就是只愿意看自己想看到的东西，不管有多不符合逻辑。当然这不是最可怕的，最可怕的是把脑补当真事一样却把真相故意扭曲成阴谋。

在这个过程中，我曾经无数次试图通过写文、回帖等方式解释事情不应该是这样。我可以理解很多人心痛和惋惜黄金战士的心情，因为我也一样，即使在因为三次元生活忙碌而不得不暂时放下SS的

那些年，哪怕不经意间接触到关于圣斗士的一些事物，我的心仍然会痛，会为黄金战士流泪。但心痛不应该是通过歪曲事实和人身攻击雅典娜来发泄。

即使不提原著内容、不提希腊神话，假如雅典娜真的如同他们所说的那样黑暗，又把黄金战士们的付出置于何地？明明是顶天立地的英雄，不会向神权（波塞冬，哈迪斯）低头，敢于与命运和世间的一切不公抗争，重义轻生，蹈死不惧，站在女神身边也是因为女神守护世界的大爱……

按照这些人的逻辑变成什么了？用主观臆测否定雅典娜，不光是否定了黄金圣斗士们大义凛然的牺牲，而且雅典娜是阴谋家，黄金战士们就变成了被神操控和洗脑的棋子，英勇的抗争毫无意义，不屈不挠的拼搏毫无意义，连他们决然独立的个性也变成傀儡一样……

这就是那些人心疼黄金圣斗士的方式吗？否定他们的牺牲，否定他们的一切，却把逼迫他们战斗和牺牲的冥界捧出新高度。这种“爱”的方式，还真是独特！

我嘴笨，不会吵架，用正常人的道理也无法和无脑且形成逻辑闭环的方式沟通。在那些年中只能写了无数悲文，绝大部分是延续原著最后哈迪斯的诅咒“极乐净土的崩溃会吞噬雅典娜和所有在这里的人”的设定，通过描写圣战胜利后雅典娜和青铜战士也被淹没在崩溃的世界而牺牲的方式，表达女神和所有的圣斗士一直都在无怨无悔的牺牲，而不是像一些人别有用心污蔑的那样。我知道这种方式很弱且过于隐晦，但我没别的办法。

毕业以后的生活就不多说了，工作，社交，即使对SS的爱没变，很多事情也分散了我的注意力。直到百度贴吧越来越难发帖，经朋友提议我来到Lof，初期的关注点也不在圣斗士上。

还是疫情和一些身体上的原因把我困在家里后，无意间重新接触到了圣斗士的相关美文，我才重拾内心深处的爱。但是在Lof看到众多美文之余，也发现了许多当年那些让我愤懑不已的言论仍在老调重弹。

这也是我决定写下此文的契机，因为想结合个人经历和意见反驳那些颠倒黑白的论调。需要注意的是我年轻时尚且嘴笨，年长了更加不会吵架，所以只提出并反驳各种奇葩论点，不提具体id名姓，只发表在自己的地方，不会专门去和人争辨。假如这样还有对号入座的，我只能认为是有人做贼心虚所以故意挑衅了。

问：人凭什么要听神的？人类的命运要自己把握，和神抗争也要自己把握，撒加领导的就挺好，为什么非得听雅典娜的？

答:没错，这个回答百分百ZZ正确，可惜在原著里是句废话。仅以海皇篇举例，撒加能像雅典娜一样进入生命支柱承受全世界的暴雨吗？别告诉我撒加可以派人直接攻打海界，就算海将军们不是黄金圣斗士的对手，可是别忘了原著里射手、天秤、水瓶三件黄金圣衣都无法打破最后的生命支柱，还是要靠雅典娜的祈祷加持。何况就算打破了生命支柱，撒加能用神器雅典娜宝壶吗？不能用的话拿什么封印波塞冬？

更不用提冥界，如果没有雅典娜的神血，别说升级神圣衣之类的事，连叹息墙壁后面那个扭曲的空间都通不过吧！难道忘了冥界三巨头之一的米诺斯是怎么被吞噬的？

问：邪撒加说的没错啊，像他那样强大的人才能保护世界，雅典娜那么弱，怎么能怪别人不信任她？

答：关于雅典娜宝壶和雅典娜神血的问题上面已经说了，现在就说说邪撒加的“强”和雅典娜的“弱”吧。

第一点就是，刚出生的婴儿确实需要时间恢复和成长，但如果雅典娜真的“弱”，历史上那么多次圣战怎么打赢的？都不用追溯多远，就说上一代圣战，还有史昂和童虎两个活生生的人证在。如果雅典娜不能打赢，他们两个是怎么活下来并且坚持了两百多年的？还是问这话的人认为邪撒加想象中认为雅典娜很“弱”的话可信，童虎和史昂这两个亲历者的话不可信？

第二，邪撒加是很强，但是别忘了，他出生早，修炼早，强是理所当然的事，但这并不能证明别人就弱。仗着自己出生早提前修炼了就和刚出生的婴儿比强弱，和初中毕业生指着新生婴儿嘲笑“哈哈，我比你学历高”有什么区别？婴儿长大了难道就不会继续深造，永远都只能停留在刚出生那一刻？

退一万步讲，即便雅典娜弱，可她本应该在圣域长大，在教皇的指导下修炼，结果被迫逃亡荒废了十三年，怪谁？怪天怪地也怪不到出生即被追杀的受害人本身吧？

问：雅典娜要是不回圣域就不会有那么多圣斗士死，更不会有那么多黄金战士战死，她是罪魁祸首。

答：说这话的人，我就想问问你觉得是史昂该死还是艾俄罗斯该死。别告诉我说如果史昂当初传位给撒加就没事，就不提事实已经证明了史昂判断的正确性，就说史昂直到最后一刻都没提防撒加，还在问他“是不是身体不舒服”，已经证明了他关心着每一个孩子，选择教皇继承人��全是慎重考虑的。

史昂是从上届圣战中九死一生拼出来的战士，又执掌了圣域二百多年，他看人没有问这些话的粉丝准？何况就算是他看错了，他就该死，死后还要被暴尸在星楼十三年？甚至死都死得不安生，还得顶着污名返回圣域报信——是谁连传承机密的机会都没给他？

艾俄洛斯才十四岁，即便很多同人文里把他写的很平凡，可他是得到真正教皇“仁智勇兼备”评价的，就因为被选为教皇继承人，所以就该死？而且死就死了不说，还要含冤负屈背负污名，连带弟弟都痛苦压抑了十几年。他的冤屈都不能洗刷？

还有那些白银战士，正直的仙王座亚路比奥尼该死吗？自恋如蜥蜴座美斯狄，还在说“除了女神没有谁比我更美”，证明他根本没有反叛之心，他就该死的不明不白吗？

怪雅典娜回归圣域的人，是不是觉得所有这些人不是该死就是活该受罪（艾欧里亚），死的不明不白也无所谓？

问：撒加执掌圣域的那十三年不也挺好的嘛！

答：史昂执掌圣域的二百三十年一样挺好的。我说过我喜欢每一个圣斗士，尤其喜欢黄金圣斗士，当然也非常喜欢撒加。但是咱们得讲道理，史昂麾下的

圣域和平稳定了二百三十年，撒加要假冒他，起码一些关键的策略不能和他抵触，延续他的方针保持和平稳定实在是理所当然的事。

问：雅典娜就是偏心青铜圣斗士，都不管黄金圣斗士。

答：我不知道说这种话的人对于“偏心”的定义是什么。诚然，本届的雅典娜和青铜圣斗士一起长大，一起战斗的时候多，情感也外露一些。但是请别忘了，按照原著说，从十二宫的战斗到海界战斗，加上动画原创的话还有北欧篇和无脑编剧编写的剧场版（剧场版可以吐槽的也多，我后面说），哪一次不是青铜圣斗士在浴血奋战，九死一生地玩儿命？这叫偏心？

��知道说这些话的人指代的是什么，他们指的是冥界篇雅典娜曾下令不许青铜圣斗士参战。可是前面那些少年们已经浴血奋战了一场又一场，最后一场战斗了，女神和前辈们为了保护青少年不许他们参战，有错吗？这些人是盼着黄金战士也不参加最后的战斗吗？且不说以黄金圣斗士的骄傲会不会愿意在终极战斗来临之时置身事外了，也不说假如最终圣战输了，即便是黄金圣斗士，一样会被永恒日蚀所害（连海皇都知道不能放任这种情况，所以出手相助），就说即便女神下令黄金圣斗士也不许参战，他们会听吗？连米罗打加隆这样的事都不听劝，说这些话的人以为黄金圣斗士是胆小鬼吗，会借机不参加圣战？

问：可是在黄道篇里雅典娜救青铜圣斗士不救黄金圣斗士，就是偏心。

答：这个问题要分原著和动画来说。按道理来讲应该以原著为基础，原著里不是雅典娜救回的青铜圣斗士，而是动用医学团队抢救了几个月把五青铜拉回来的，根本不存在救青铜不救黄金的说法。

而且不论是原著还是动画，十四黄金伤亡一半，史昂和艾俄洛斯死在撒加手里，撒加是最后引咎自尽。余下的四名黄金圣斗士，迪斯马斯克的宫里遍地人脸还掉进黄泉彼良坂，修罗飞向太空，这都是没法救的。阿布罗迪杀了瞬的师父（动画组黑人不倦，还操作成阿布集合两名黄金战士的力量并偷袭），还拒绝道歉，首先来说瞬给师父报仇就是天经地义的。何况星云气流这种招式，形成风暴后造成人的脑死亡，就是想留余地也留不了。

唯一无辜的是卡妙。但是请别忘了，卡妙自己选择了逼迫冰河、用生命教导冰河，可是这里有点像父母对待儿女不管有多“恨铁不成钢”可关键时刻也会本能护着儿女一样，卡妙最终手下留情了，所以冰河保留了一丝气息撑到医疗团队来，但冰河生怕让师父失望所以手下没有留情，所以卡妙死了，这个结局是师徒俩的决定。

至于拿着动画说事指责冰河被“洗脑”，进而迁怒雅典娜的，我只想说，请别忘了动画版里冰河的师父是水晶圣斗士，他和卡妙在天秤宫见面时卡妙第一句话是“你就是冰河吧”，证明了两个人之前没见过面，也就是除了招式上的传承外没有任何感情基础。

而动画里的卡妙做了什么呢？于公，撒加在东西伯利亚建那个倒霉催的冰金字塔，劳民伤财到他的徒弟水晶圣斗士都看不下去要回圣域见教皇，他一句话没说一个态度没表。更别提动画里那些什么攻打邻国啦、nve待战fu啦等等，他什么表示都没有。于私，他的徒弟水晶圣斗士被教皇控制害人，他也一句话没有，就算说他不知道水晶圣斗士中招吧，可是冰河要跟他解释真相的时候，他直接就把一切归咎于水晶圣斗士的“软弱和自作自受”，还弄沉了冰河妈妈的

船。

我很想问问迁怒冰河和雅典娜的人，如果你是冰河这时候该怎么做？束手无策干等死，把对恩师水晶圣斗士“懦弱无能，所以把你也教的懦弱无能”的评价坐实？即便是豁出水晶圣斗士的名誉干等死，像冰河在天秤宫做的那样，卡妙就高兴了？

问：就是雅典娜挑起的战争，哈迪斯只是被动应战。

答：前面说了，请不要选择性无视冥斗士率先入侵十二宫的事实。

问：圣战就是神与神之间的阴谋，圣斗士是神的棋子。

答：前面也说过了，请不要无视圣斗士的独立和勇敢，任何神都不能操纵他们。而且原著里也已经明确给出过答案，从波塞冬的威胁到哈迪斯的诅咒都可以看出雅典娜保护人类的心，是和众神的意志对抗的。何况如果只是众神的阴谋波塞冬也没吃撑着，犯不着被封印起来还要帮助雅典娜和圣斗士。

问：哈迪斯是一个平和善良的神，要怪就怪雅典娜好战。

答：说这种话的人也许是看到一些简装本希腊神话里的描述，但咱们不说希腊神话和SS的区别就像《大唐西域记》和《西游记》一样天差地别，就说希腊神话本身，哈迪斯要平和善良了，他的冥后普斯芬妮怎么来的？别告诉我是你情我愿的自由恋爱啊！

回到SS的故事，永恒的日蚀这种事总不是雅典娜要发动的吧？哈迪斯要强占瞬的身体，明显没经过瞬及其家人的同意。就算是对冥界有大恩情的潘多拉，她得到回报是什么？全家灭门，连狗和鸟都没放过，一草一木都枯死了。虽说是在冥斗士面前高冷了一段时间显现地位，但一旦出错，连个辩解余地都没有，立即就被处死，死神达纳都斯亲口认证“潘多拉只不过是奴隶罢了”。

就这在有些人眼里冥界的人爱好和平？

问：生前作恶的人，死后在地狱被惩罚是应该的啊，总不能多么坏的人在死后都和好人一个待遇吧。

答：同样是一句正确得不能再正确的废话。从原著里说，冥界可没出现过一个惩罚真正大奸大恶坏人的场景，唯一的审判就是第一狱里路尼说星矢那些“打鸟、吃肉、摘花”的恶行。我不知道有多少人是素食主义者，但如果这些就算是大奸大恶需要在地狱里被严惩的话，确实也没有几个符合标准的好人。不然为什么号称“只有真正纯善的人才能到的极乐净土”，除了哈迪斯和死睡二神只有几个花妖呢？

更何况三途之河边上哀鸣的那些灵魂更多的是虽然没有善行但也没有恶行的普通人（冥斗士自己语），他们活该被这样侮辱？这就是冥界的惩罚恶行？

问：圣域就是一个给人洗脑的邪派组织，还用童工，忍不了。

答：我很想请问，假如有坏人攻打梵蒂冈，梵蒂冈的police和solidar能不能反抗？如果能的话，圣域为什么不能有自己的体系来自我保卫？世界上每个国家都有自己的法律、文化、道德体系，而且国和国之间并不是完全一致的，很多时候是本国独有的一些文化和道德体系，如果按照自己国家的特点教育和培养police与solidar就算是洗脑，那什么才不算？全都是白左那一套泛自由主义才不

算洗脑？

至于童工，首先应该明确，作为主角的青铜圣斗士们，他们的出生和修炼都属于城户光政的个人行为，无论城户光政的形象是正是反，本意如何，与圣域没有关系。

至于说圣域为什么给未成年人发圣衣，那是撒加时期的事情。史昂当初说的是希望传位教皇之后专心培养女神，就是说即便当时艾俄洛斯也很小，但史昂本身的计划也没打算让他立即直面战争，而是“扶上马再送一程”，也会继续帮助艾俄洛斯，和童兵没关系。只能认为撒加得位不正，对培养年轻人的流程和做法不熟，也许还有急于培养新兵的意识作祟，不是说正常流程下圣域用童兵。

魔铃和莎尔拉都是16岁，在日本16岁已经是可以结婚的年龄了，作为一部日本动漫来说她们不能算严格意义上的未成年。唯一例外是贵鬼，可是贵鬼在海界传送天秤圣衣属于后勤工作，有点类似于儿童团，不会真正直面战场。遇到艾尔扎克那算是巧合加意外了，哪怕冰河换一个对手，或者和在北冰洋支柱前的是另外一个人，贵鬼都不会遇到直面战。那要怎么办呢？儿童团不会上战场，还有王二小那样的小英雄，意外永远都在。

要说挑剔圣斗士们开始修炼的年纪都小，那没办法，很多技能必须从小练起，长大了筋骨硬了就没办法了。别说圣斗士的修炼，传统的功夫都是如此，释小龙两岁就开始习武了，你说年纪太小这样“不人道”，可是等到十八岁筋骨长成了再好的天赋也浪费了，谁来赔？

我还看到过挑剔“20岁也不大”来质疑圣域用童兵的，可是世界各国，就算是自由主义泛滥的米国，征召时也都是18岁或20出头的年轻人吧？年轻人有所牺牲是很可惜，可是作为solidar那就是身体条件最好的年龄，没有哪国专门召3、40岁的大叔的，就算army里有，那也都是军官级别的了，和直面敌人的solidar不一样。

问：圣域动不动就禁止个人的感情，拿着“大爱”说事，就是道德绑架和洗脑。

答：我先明确说，这最后一题是我看到有人指着《圣斗少女翔》里孔雀座玛尤拉拍飞要救姐姐的翔子，并且提出圣斗士不是为了私人情感、而是大爱，并以此来指责圣域和圣斗士，所以想展开说说的。

首先，《圣斗少女翔》不是车田正美的作品，是官方授权的同人。这点和LC一样（忘了说了，LC里有15岁参加战斗的狮子座，但那也是官方授权的同人，不应该成为指责SS的理由），我尊重和喜欢LC的战士，也非常喜欢《圣少女》的画风和情节，但这些不是同一个作者的作品，拿着同人指责原著本身就是不公平的。

其次，玛尤拉拍飞翔子的举动也许武断了，但她那段“不能为了私人情爱，而是为了对世界的大爱”的观点没有错。我知道因为历史原因，很多人不喜欢大爱情节，总觉得空泛，加上现在主流的思潮又是自由主义和自我意识本位，会对“为了大义而牺牲”有种本能反感。

但是，我希望说清楚，没国哪有家，全人类都要被灭亡哪来的展现个人的自我意识——这样说不是为了道德绑架，而是大多数人都是普通人，都可以享受自由生活，但你可以不去考虑家国天下的大爱，却没有权利看不起心怀大爱愿意为了更多人而牺牲自己的人。你不愿意，可以，但这世上是有愿意无私奉献的人的，你不能因为自己没有见过就否认他们的存在，更不能污蔑他们无私的精神是因为被“洗脑”。

就算是号称全世界最自由的米国，不一样有全世界最庞大的军费和驻守边疆的solidar？连一贯文化输出的好莱坞，在拍摄以珍珠港和战争为背景的电影时都要强调私人情感之外更有家国责任，怎么到了圣斗士这里强调大爱就是道德绑架了？

而且SS原著里恰好有一幕很典型。海界战争中，冰河在北冰洋支柱前遇到师兄艾尔扎克，因为愧疚和救命之恩，冰河曾经不予抵抗，希望师兄拿走一只眼睛后杀了自己。但在贵鬼遭遇艾尔扎克之后，冰河却意识到师兄的天大恩情只在于自己一个人，而如果不能闯过这一关，关系到的是地球上的千万生灵，最终战胜了艾尔扎克。

这不就是不能拘泥于小情小爱，责任和大义超越了私人情感吗？有那么难以理解吗？认为“大义”是洗脑，个人情感最重要的人，假如冰河因为师兄的恩情而放弃战斗，最终导致海战失败，地球被洪水淹没，你会怎么想？

能想到的基本上说完了，最后是两方面的感想。

一是至少在我的立场认为，SS的故事，加上E0和ND，是所有圣斗士故事的基础。我尊重也喜欢LC和《圣少女》，但官方同人真的不能混为一谈，尤其是剧场版。事实上从老版TV动画到剧场版，东映一直在黑除了星矢外的任何人。

在黄金圣斗士方面，刺杀亚路比奥尼居然派了两个黄金圣斗士去，还让阿布罗迪偷袭，明显是在黑黄金战士的实力和品行。还有十二宫战斗到了教皇厅，居然改成星矢集合五个人小宇宙打飞撒加，也明显黑了撒加的实力。至于剧场版就更别说了，动不动就“黄金战士被打倒”，纯粹是无脑编剧的套路大集合。

在青铜圣斗士方面，我就说两个最典型的吧。TV里，虽然卡西欧是怎么直接跑到狮子宫的一直是个迷（也可以说bug），但动画里居然改成了他一个人打倒紫龙和瞬，瞬还要嚷嚷“太厉害了”……我也不提当时紫龙和瞬已经连过了四宫，小宇宙都有很大提升了，就说这俩人实力比不上星矢吧，但早期的星矢能打败卡西欧，紫龙和瞬好歹也都是青铜圣斗士，俩人联手比不上连个青铜圣衣都没混上的卡西欧？

更别提剧场版了，瞬真是被黑的典型。原著里瞬唯一一次向一辉求救是在双子宫，可是看看剧场版，动不动被打倒，然后“哥哥你终于来了”，一辉都为此��了个“瞬的召唤兽”绰号，哪儿跟哪儿？遑论什么冰河跳反、紫龙被拍飞这些情节。

我只能说，星矢是整部作品里最符合日本人特色的一个角色。敢打敢拼不说，还善于学习，所以永远成为那个赢家。其他人，雅典娜是女性，黄金圣斗士们明显都是外国人，肯定要成为陪衬的。就算青铜圣斗士，不能有其他血统（冰河），不能脆弱（瞬），一辉实力高但独狼性格，不符合日本人抱团特性，紫龙特性也不强……所以对于东映这种传统的日本公司来说，打压其他任何人都是理所当然的，只有符合日本人特性的星矢才有资格被捧，哪怕是尬捧。

所以星矢的粉丝如果觉得被骂委屈，一定要明白第一责任人是东映，而不是其他粉丝。

第二，我心疼黄金圣斗士，或者说心疼所有圣斗士，所以坚决讨厌并憎恶所有冥界的人。我没有拿着放大镜找正面角色的缺点然后指责他们不够完美、然后拼命靠脑补和臆测给反派洗白的嗜好，我爱的战士们英勇牺牲了，导致这一后果的是冥界的败类，我当然讨厌他们。

没有什么“不过立场不同”的说法，二战结束七十年后，当年参与过的NZ还要被追责呢，“立场不同”就能洗白做过的恶吗？更没有什么看颜值，巴比隆的妖蝶一直监视着撒加和卡妙、修罗，路尼长得像穆先生又怎么样，我想看帅哥不会直接看穆先生吗，用得着看他吗？

包括潘多拉。她自己说过的，唯一的特权就是可以拿着那手串到极乐净土，那么1.她知道怎么穿越叹息的墙壁，不然有叹息墙壁挡着，十个手串也过不了扭曲的空间。2.当然就是手串能帮助她穿越空间了。可是她盼着圣斗士们为她报仇，却眼睁睁看着黄金战士牺牲在叹息墙前。所以我也不会原谅。

其他的真没什么了，喜欢所有圣斗士，喜欢所有海斗士，喜欢除了阿路贝利西之外的神斗士。而且爱SS，还将继续爱很久，很久。

#圣斗士 #SS #圣斗士星矢 #雅典娜 #城户纱织

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fyrewalks · 2 years

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✖ How has Tumblr RP changed since you started?

salty asks | accepting oh god i think i started writing here when i was around 16? so it's been almost ten years...yikes. but lol obvious a lot has changed, a lof it for the better, but i do miss how things were less strict in terms of aesthetics and resources. kinda miss magic anons too.

#ooc #it's def a safer space though now so i wouldn't change a lot #like there's some nostolgia of 2012/2013 rp but ultimately its for the best that it was put to rest ghfdjs

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madeforlof · 2 years

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— MadeforLof, June 2022.

One account one head.

We accepted all star but Gen RP only.

No multichara and no twin allowed.

Username and DN must be related to the muse. 5.We accepted new account ( minimal 150 tweets & 50 followers , and interactions required ).

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puppetofpuppets · 3 years

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Plotted starter for @amplifyingtrace

Eri gently marked off another day of her calendar with a red crayon, gazing at the reminder that she had set for herself labeled “day with Leia.” She had been looking forward to this day for quite some time now, occasionally asking those taking care of her if they had heard anything from Leia herself or just expressing her excitement to them about their upcoming get-together. They all would indulge her and shared equally in her enthusiasm, but she was worried that she might be inconveniencing them by bringing it up all the time. This was why she kept her inquiries and excited ramblings mostly to herself.

But goodness was it hard to contain!

She put on one of her dresses and made sure that her hair was brushed and neatly parted, even asking others to make sure that she looked presentable. Sure she may be worrying too much, but she wanted Leia to know that she really was looking forward to today- even if that would be painfully obvious just looking at her joyous expression whenever Leia was around.

When there was a knock at the door, the girl rushed over and almost tripped over herself trying to get there as quickly as possible. She opened the door and peeked out from behind it, wearing a smile from ear-to-ear.

“Big sister Leia! Big sister Leia!”

#closed rp #amplifyingtrace #[I'm. I'm crying I lof her so much]

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tsk, why didn't you bring a coat with you? it's too cold outside, and i don't plan on giving you mine. why are you cuddling up to me? sigh... i can't fight you baby, c'mere. only because i love you. now now, don't get any stupid ideas, i see those wandering hands. keep that up and you'll be in for a long night - diff dabi anon who still loves u mei!

I just...SOFT DABI MAKES ME CRY...I want 🥺

Dabi if you see this ily, I'm still cold and my hands will continue to wander. Who needs sleep 🤪

#dabi rp #Mei rps #I ALMOST SAID DADI #STILL ACCURATE #i lof u dabi anon #please take my kith

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twinanimatronics · 2 years

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Masterpost

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#this is for me to pin #fnaf security breach #fnaf #five nights at freddy's #five nights at freddy's security breach #fnaf moon #fnaf sun #fnaf sun and moon #the daycare attendant #fnaf sb #fnaf sun x reader #fnaf moon x reader #fnaf sun and moon x reader

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I can’t explain it so I keep it all inside. ---I wear my p a i n but it's masked by my PRIDE. I can't---you wont like what you see. ---If you were in my head and had to hear my pleas.

Independent 616 Hank Pym with MCU adaptability Multi everything. Crossovers encouraged.

#Hank Pym rp #marvel rp #avengers rp #ant-man rp #giant-man rp #self promo #gif warning #i cant decide if i like this promo #lof me tho #makes it angsty with lyrics #is that gif annoying #idk i like it but it might bug some people #no pun intended

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natstolemysocks · 2 years

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Had a thought recently about how trying to adhere to pre-post ShB canon and a loud part of the RP community as much as possible for my OCs might’ve soured my experience for EW. This is not a critique on the community or the game, but a problem of my own making. I’ve also come to understand why most people I know with a non WoL as their main RP character do not RP with their actual main.

I will try to explain what I mean under the cut for those interested, but basically my time Roleplaying has made going through the MSQ weirdly impersonal. Should you experience the same, please realise you are not alone. To the people I’ve Roleplayed with, know I do not blame you for this at all. The time we spent or are spending together is priceless. If anything, I wish Square would give us more lore that isn’t locked behind or inside end game optionals, so that the world gets fleshed out more deeply for non-WoLs too. Anyway, under the cut its mostly ranting about myself and things I’ve ranted about before, with just a little bit about what I actually wanted to talk about. It ends with me wondering if, had I not cared at all, things would’ve been better.

I started Roleplaying officially sometime in 2018, officially meaning putting lfrp messages on Tumblr and following others with the same interest. Having loved RP’ing with friends before, and having been through certain trauma in game, I really wanted to try to get into RP in FFXIV. Partly to find new friends, partly to be able to come up with new stories. However, my earlier experiences with RP outside of one-on-one had all been disastrous, to say the least. Entering an already existing RP group always felt like willingly walking into a den of lions just waiting to get teared to shreds. I’m not certain if it was something I did that resulted into getting chewed out of every Dutch RP forum I ever tried to join in the past, or if the closenittedness of their communities just meant I was a stranger easy to bash. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. That said, these experiences did set my expectations for me entering the FFXIV RP community. I kept my eyes and ears open to gripes people would have with people’s OCs, even when I didn’t agree with them myself. I knew I wouldn’t be able to please everyone, but if I could create something that wasn’t offensive to most, that would hopefully allow me to blend into any story in some way or another, and, most importantly, without getting yelled at. Big ones were ‘no WoL’, and ‘no NPC’. I wasn’t planning on creating the latter, but I WOULD be using my main to RP with because I wanted to be able to access most locations the game had to offer to maximize potential. I didn’t, and still do not, have a lof of free time to level alts at all, so it HAD to be my main. At the time I already semi-RP’ed with Ayo’a. It was mostly in comments to people, for example when they called me Ayo and I’d correct them that that was ‘my mother’s name’. My OC’s life would be that which he went through in game, and that was cool. However, because of the ‘no WoL’ need, it had to change.

At first I had two persona for Ayo’a. One would be as the game’s protagonist, the other a nobody trying to get his life together. This duality sort of worked for a while, mainly because the RP Ayo’a wasn’t fully set into stone yet. The two persona meandered in and out of one another, while I tried to create a sort of canon for my cat. It was a pain to decide on character, really, even more while going through mourning and depression myself. I always felt like I couldn’t do anything too out there, like I expected the RP police to come get me.

I know the feeling was bullcrap. If any group was against it, they just weren’t the people I should RP with, and frankly nobody ever told me off for anything. Better, most people had larger than life OCs anyway to begin with. However, something in me still didn’t dare. I felt like I had to adhere to something unseen, and because of it Ayo’a and my writing never felt good enough, and in game RPs simply didn’t work.

Throughout the years I’ve RP’ed with a couple of people, and Ayo’a’s character slowly began to take proper shape. More and more I’d look at my main less as my WoL and more as my RP OC, trying to find things in game that could relate to him in any way. When (Post) ShB hit and explained any player character could potentially have the Echo, I was ecstatic. I was now canonically allowed to give my cat the Echo, and nobody would be able to tell me otherwise. Not only that, but the lvl 80 SMN job quest also introduced the Summoner Squad, which meant he could now actually become a real Summoner. It felt like I could finally bring Ayo’a closer to my original vision of him, an incredibly liberating sensation, and I honestly didn’t waste time incorporating both into his backstory. Unfortunately soon after shit happened in real life, and frankly RP’ing and playing in general fell a bit to the wayside. Well... a lot really. The happiness I had felt at the time had been shortlived, overshadowed by doubts of my own usefulness once more. Negativity, especially coming from my ass of a brain, always tends to weigh in more than anything trying to break through. Life was shit, work was shit, free time nonexistant, and I couldn’t write without crying. Everything was a chore, yet I kept thinking I had to, as if it could make things better, all while expecting everything and everyone to judge me for all I did and didn’t do. Eventually a fallout with someone in the community, something that had felt like a betrayal, had me break and cemented my decision to quit trying.

People do say you have to be careful with making decisions for others when you’re down, but at the time it doesn’t feel like that’s what you are doing. What it does feel like, is that you are giving others the choice to let you go because you can’t possibly live up to the expectations you believe them to hold up for you. In your eyes it all looks like others just keep you in their friend list out of pity, that if they wouldn’t be scared to seem heartless, they’d remove you without batting an eye. Even if it wasn’t true, it was how I felt at the time and it was very, very real to me, so I cut people off, in my head to make them happier with their life. If they really wanted me in their lives, they’d try contacting me still, I reasoned. In reality more was going on. I was miserable and desperately looking for a way to spare myself of even an inkling of stress so I could hopefully cope with the one at home and at work better, the two I could not avoid. I realise I could’ve done it another way, a more respectful way, but I wasn’t clear in my head and anxiety has never really been a good guide at all. My actions ended up burning bridges I’m not certain I wanted to be burned, but it happened, so I guess all of it had been pointless to begin with.

Time passed and EW finally arrived. I wouldn’t have been able to play it had it not been for me crashing at work, and being sent home due to being overworked. I missed the initial pre-order window and it soon looked like the whole of the internet was out to snipe anyone with unwanted spoilers, yet fortunately I was able to go into the expansion mostly blind. My friend too tried their hardest not to spill anything too early. I’m still very grateful for that, because thanks to them I was allowed to experience the story without too much expectations, and it was lovely.

However, throughout playing I noticed how I would see the story as something happening to someone else, rather than my character, rather than Ayo’a. It wasn’t his story, it was a retelling of someone else’s experiences using him as a proxy. I remember waiting most of the game for input that would mean something for my OC in particular. I suppose a character is still a character, and even if you say you won’t write anymore, you still keep building onto it. So yeah, things like the scales that allowed people without the Echo to not get tempered (which made his recent realisation of the Echo moot), or where GC’s would be stationed, how Dynamis would rear its head in the city states, what happened to my dearest (Beast) Tribes, how he’d be able to help in the grand scheme of things from his own position. That’s what I was looking forward to while Ayo’a’s image was but a standin for that of a true hero.

I understand now why most people that do not RP with their main do so. There is no, or at least less, dissociation involved that way. Your RP character goes through MSQ simply to get where you need to be, while your main can still be the hero and be, well, the main character.

Perhaps I’m just weak in the sense that I should definitely be able to split the idea of Ayo’a as a WoL and Ayo’a as the character he’s become, yet have clearly failed in doing so. There’s part of the fun missing in a way. A lot that’s going on in the WoL’ daily life just does not translate to others. That’s by no fault of the game, mind you. I decided to RP on my own, the game does not have to cater to me in any way, but I do feel more could’ve been mentioned in levelling side quests. (I wouldn’t particularly have mourned the loss of many of the Loporrits side quests in favour of fleshing out what happens on Eorzea for example).

I’ll be honest, I came to resent FFXIV a great deal. While I do think it is a very good game and I’ll definitely be coming back for big things because I’m curious, that resentment is something I fight to this day. I don’t want to resent it, not really. I still want to be part of it, but I can’t shake my initial reaction to stumbling upon posts or merely hearing FFXIV music in the background of a youtube video. There’s illogical anger. I suppose towards myself.

In a way, I wonder how things would’ve been had I not expected to be unwelcome from the start, and never cared about what others might not like. Would my experience have been better? Would I’ve been thinking less in other’s stead, trying less to minimize situations I didn’t want to be in? Possibly, but I’ll never know.

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Hi!

Thank you so much for posting all the interesting stuff from the book on here! I was just wondering if you think we will be playing as a Lord of Fortune in the next DA game?

I think we will from the mention in the book about DA4 and the description of them being good with disguises and stuff from Tevinter Nights but what do you think??

Hi Nonnie, you’re welcome. This answer is under a cut due to length. Tevinter Nights spoilers under cut.

I’ve definitely wondered about the possibility before (Tevinter Nights spoilers at link)! My speculation is that we’re in for either a Lord of Fortune companion or possibly a Lord of Fortune PC / PC background (or background option) in the next game. As you say, post-TN the Lords have been ‘flagged up’ again now with the caption in the book (“Where there’s treasure, there’s adventurers braving death to get it. The Lords of Fortune are always on the hunt for treasures - wherever it might be”). The companion feels like the more likely of the two but I do think it could work well for a player character. Paraphrasing a bit from the linked post, with a few additions:

Lords can be humans, elves and dwarves at least. I don’t see why a Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth horned person couldn’t join either, and with the general Qunari presence in Rivain there’s proximity. So there’s the race selection

They can be male, female or other genders, so there’s gender

They’re warriors (Mateo) and rogues with different specialties. I don’t see why a mage couldn’t join either, especially since TN gives us an example of a mage who, while not a Lord, is also a thief and uses their magic in that, and the Lords seem to be about skill and merit. Plus Rivain have some different views on magic and mages. So there’s class and specializations

It seems like people from other countries in Thedas can also join too as Hollix essentially offers to the Tevinter girl. All this kind of stuff is a solid lead-in for CC and space for RP, both in-game expressions of it and headcanon

Hero of Ferelden, Champion of Kirkwall, Herald of Andraste, Lord of Fortune. Not a bad PC title either, and the “Lord” part in LoF is gender-neutral

RP flexibility: someone could have joined up for any one of a number of different reasons - adventure/thrills/fun, fame, fortune, glory, history buffs, to earn money, to be doing a job that isn’t a life of drudgery or mundane, to see the world and the sights all over Thedas, and for common thieves and similar folks it could be a way of advancing, putting their skills to use, doing something more ‘glamorous’ or getting off the streets (their situation-depending). Bharv had a farm and a family while being an active Lord and planned to retire after being in the game for like 40 years. Herold had previously done naval service before joining. Hollix was in the circus before joining. Again lots of room for RP and variance, there’s more to them than ‘just another merc faction’

the live service elements could involve jobs, heists, monster hunts and stuff? some kind of mechanic based around that and a Lord’s reputation?

Solas definitely could know of them but so far there’s no indication that he does (“find people he doesn’t know”), whereas it’s specifically mentioned that he has knowledge of a whole bunch of the other factions

As a new faction to us it would be something new, fresh and interesting for the PC to be part of

They usually act solo or in pairs/small groups, so there’s the “here’s why you aren’t going about in a group of Lords or getting help from your whole faction” stuff (I’m thinking of the story reasons that were set up which explain why the Hero and Alistair are the only Wardens in DAO)

The accessories and trinkets and stuff = customization

Being a Lord also gives the PC a reason to be knowledgeable about history, Deep Roads, ancient ruins, artifacts and for dungeoneering, travel and monster fighting. Those are things handy for Generic RP Protagonist in general but also, some of them are going to be useful things to have in the conflicts to come (history, Deep Roads, ruins, artifacts)

It sounds like the next PC is going to be a nobody initially or largely anyway, rather than someone in a role like the one the Inquisitor occupied, so this point might be moot, but - it would also be more sensical for why the PC is going around doing the quest they’re doing. A lot of DAI is like “Why is one of the most important people in the world currently doing all this busywork? They have an army of goons they could be sending out and tasking with doing this stuff”. I mean, we do do that delegation with the War Table and everything, and it was important to build the Inquisition’s power and for the Herald to be seen around, but y’know? A Lord of Fortune is a bit more like a Geralt-type, going around doing side quest-style contracts for people. So side-questing could feel more natural

Semi-related, there’s also the fact that DA4 sounds like it’s going to be a story of someone who’s the opposite of the Inquisitor - someone unknown, from the bottom, with no power, or at least initially. The Lords are considered among the best treasure hunters in Thedas so they’re not nobodies, but you could be a ‘junior’ Lord who hadn’t been one for long and hadn’t made a name for themselves yet. I’d actually be quite interested in amassing the LoF display of worn-treasure, accessories and trinkets as the story progresses and the PC does more stuff

They’re based in Rivain and we’re going north

The LoFs as a faction might have their own knowledge and concerns about Solas (Mateo was on the shadow Inquisition’s Genetivi Expedition)

The shadow Inquisition know of them now via Mateo and Hollix

Their propensity for the covert/subterfuge type stuff - breaking and entering, thievery, roguey-stuff, disguises, stealth, deception and so on - would suit both the previous "spies and heists" version of the game and the whole Shadow Inquisition’s “we must operate secretly and below the radar to limit the possibility of Solas finding out about our plans" stuff

And it’s a decent way of getting a new unknown PC mixed up in the narrative - Lords travel all over Thedas, dungeoneering and everything, obtaining ancient artifacts, fighting monsters, protecting people on jobs. They take contracts. The shadow Inquisition have been hiring at least some people for work to do with their current efforts. Solas and his followers have been recruiting people. The shadow Inquisition have been looking for things that could stop him and Solas and his followers have also been looking for artifacts. I can totally see, like just for example, a Lord initially being like on a job or something trying to find some artifact that it also turns out that Solas’ people or the shadow Inquisition also want to get their hands on and so becoming caught up in everything that way, or knowingly or unknowingly being hired by either faction and it going from there

tl;dr I think a LoF companion is more likely but can def see how a LoF PC would work! A Vint Siccari also seems like a likely candidate for the PC, though I would rather the PC is not a slave or former slave.

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