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jbbartram-illu · 6 months
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How do y'all paint with glaze since it totally looks different before and after firing . Do you really just memorize a whole color palette??
So! There are two different substances with which you can 'paint' a piece of pottery: glaze and underglaze.*
An underglaze contains pigments that can stand up to the heat of a glaze firing (approx 2200ºF for a typical cone 6 firing!! HOT!!), but are less thick & do not melt in the same way as true glazes, so if you don't put a clear glaze on top of them, they fire mostly matte, like the outside of this finished mug --
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-- and underglazes also stay basically the same colour between when they're applied to the clay and when they're fired (most darken a bit, especially if you put clear glaze overtop, and some get duller, especially darker greens). You can also mix underglazes like they're paint while you're applying them - I literally use a paint palette to mix my colours.
Here's a photo of some of the underglazes I used to paint the above sphinx -- you can see how similar they are to the final result:
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Then you have glazes which are applied much more thickly and in layers, and when you fire them form a hard, generally shiny (tho there are satin & matte finish glazes), glass-like surface. I'm pretty sure that the pigments they use are different from those in underglazes, but I'm only just starting to get into glaze chemistry (I buy my glazes in pre-mixed pints from companies like Amaco & Mayco).
Unlike underglazes, glazes look COMPLETELY different between when you apply them & when you get them out of the kiln. Here are a couple of examples, unfired on the left & fired on the right:
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I love to experiment with both underglazes & glazes in my decoration, as both produce such different results. Underglaze decoration is a more controlled method, where you have a general idea of what the piece will look like from painting to final, great for the outsides of my mugs & some of my creatures (eg my bird ladies).
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On the other hand, the insides of the mugs & some other, simpler creatures I make play really well with the uncertainty & alchemy of glazes (& glaze layering!! I've got a Q about this later on, so will be talking more about that soon):
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In conclusion to this, uhhh, novella, underglaze & glaze are like cousins who get along really well but also have their own special talents! One is steady & straightforward (underglaze), while the other is maybe a secret wizard & can be a temperamental butthead (dang glazes)?!
*to note: there are other methods as well, like slip, which can be dyed with mason stains, and underglaze pencils & probably other things I don't even know about, but for now let's just discuss the two 'painty' ones
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claypigeonpottery · 3 months
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Hi! I’m super new to pottery and ceramics. I was curious about the difference between glazing and underglazing. In high school we just did glazing and I just dunno if the difference is chemical or if it’s about the process
I couldn't tell you the difference in composition, chemical-wise, but underglaze and glaze are different in one key way
if you underglaze a piece, you've added colour to it.
if you glaze a piece, you've probably* added colour to it, and you've given it that smooth, glass-like finish that most pottery has.
*there are clear glazes that add no colour
my work is typically coloured with underglaze, and once the piece is ready to be fired, I cover them in clear glaze to give them that hard, glossy finish.
a few other differences under the cut, plus some comparison pictures
glazes won't allow you to paint anything detailed in my experience, but underglaze can be used like watercolour or acrylic paint and you can get all kinds of different effects and details.
underglaze can be applied to greenware or bisque ware, but glaze is usually only applied to bisque ware. (I know there are exceptions but I haven't bumped into them myself yet)
and I find that underglazes tend to be truer in colour—especially newer underglazes. they tend to get brighter/deeper but remain the correct colour. the older ones are kind of all over the map lol. but when I apply the more modern underglazes to a piece, I can usually see something similar to the finished product. (though there are some exceptions; sometimes an underglaze will react poorly to a certain clay body, or to the clear glaze, and it'll be a weird colour)
with glaze, it's almost never the colour you'll expect.
these are modern Amaco underglazes, before and after being dipped in clear glaze and put through the kiln
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however, this lioness was done with an old underglaze. I think it’s about 30 years old. definitely a big colour change
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here are some example of glaze before and after being put through the kiln. quite the colour changes!
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nevesceramics · 6 months
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can u tell us about ur bfa piece? is it all ceramic or any fun facts? feels good to see trans art!!!!
it is all ceramic!! just white stoneware clay (with a lot of added grog) and amaco underglazes mostly. some accent elements (the couch, the blanket) had real glassy glazes though! I need to experiment more with stuff that isn't underglaze again lolol. Edit: I forgot! The deers antlers are made on top of nichrome (high temp) wire so they are a little bit stronger. I think the bull's horns may be as well.
Fun fact about those pieces for you is certain animals are loosely based off of me and my roommates at the time :3 (trans households ftw)
my extra bonus fun fact is i was also taking a queer printmaking class at the time that were exploring basically the same topic, especially trans people having kids. here's some linocuts I worked on!
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Say hello to my Grilled Fish paint palette! 🎨
I thought it would be fun to make a ceramic paint palette using the slab technique, but I also wanted to give it my own spin. Since I have been working on incorporating animals into my designs, I made a fish with the scales being the paint wells. I also wanted to section a part for holding brushes, since I often have the problem with finding a place for them while painting. This piece is a prototype, for me to feel out how to make a palette, gauge thicknesses, drying techniques and glazes.
I chose the Botz Speckle Cream 9886 stoneware glaze since I had used it on other pieces and liked the iron speckle effect. Fired to 1250C. It gives the fish a grilled look and also repels any colour stains. I’ve been using it to mix underglazes for my other pieces and it looks new and unused after I wash it each time. All in all, a successful prototype, and I’m looking forward to making more animal palettes in the future!
I painted a series of seascapes during my summer in Cornwall, and used them for this photo shoot. They are really quite small, and I enjoyed the reduced pressure in painting due to that and my general lack of experience with painting 🌝 If you struggle with 2-D media like me, I highly recommend starting small! I have a graveyard of unfinished canvases stashed in the storage now..
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i--antimony · 1 month
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BIG tuesday
i skipped last tuesday because i was working on a take-home exam and simply did not have the time nor the inclination, so: beefy tuesdaypost today!
listening: my brother recommended 'dead magic' by anna von hausswolff and boy what an album. gothic, punchy, very vibey. the kind of album you let wash over you like an ocean wave.
pulled 'mostly kosher' from my to-listen list. fun, funky, very jewish, good vibes. ikh hob dikh tsufil lib
i've continued to mainline borodin symphonies 1 & 2. idk they're just hitting right.
and the new pieces for the orchestra i'm in - very french this time round: debussy's fêtes: kinda spooky and ominous and also fluid in a fun way! lots of buildup that seems to resolve into nothingness. horn parts for this are pretty good, not too difficult but are definitely Heard. chabrier's españa: really bumpin horn parts. fun bouncy motifs. what's not to like.
pocasting-wise, i'm up to partizan 38. 10 episodes left!!! the home stretch!!!!! it's so good but things are definitely amping up in the end-of-fatt-season way.
i've also listened to my friend b's gotham tv show podcast 'jim gordon must die'. very good and funny. i laughed out loud at some of the episode 3 descriptions.
reading: i was stuck in Bad Airport Times this past saturday (flight delayed 3 hours, then sat for an hour on the tarmac, arrived at 10pm when i was originally supposed to arrive at like 630) so i blasted through all ~150k words of 'freefall' by Kunoichi21 and xoTsundoku. bog-standard mafia au, but with a fun little circus arts twist; fun background fengqing; i do not like that they made beefleaf wholesome. give me my toxic beefleaf god damn it. but otherwise it was a fun read, sappy romcom-style. the fic itself isn't quite done but it's in endgame. the author notes have peak fanfic culture energy of "hey guys! sorry i didn't update, i started nursing school and my dad died" bro .... ;___; goddamn. please take care of urselves
watching: we are almost done with kill la kill! last two eps!!! so tonight we're doing that and also watching last week's dunmeshi together.
friend and i finished comrade detective. incredible. no notes. so funny. we started 'endeavour' which is a detective morse prequel thing and goddd the british-isms, and also started serial experiments lain. i don't know what i was expecting but god it was not this. i literally thought this was a cute fun hacker mystery show in the energy of cowboy bebop. it is Not That. not even close. it's good though i'm enjoying it. currently staggering through life going uhhhhh like lain does in the first few eps.
playing: fallow. i am re-installing disco elysium on my computer though. ive been wondering if i should try to keep going on the save file from last year or if i should just start over because i barely got in there at all.
making: many things. pottery!! some good some not as good.
so this design came out SO nice but the underglaze is so gd streaky! i hate it !!! i don't think it's really fixable either, i tried the hairspray trick to put new solid glaze over top the inside so at least that would look less like shit but i could not get it to work. maybe sanding it down? idk. it's ugly. it was supposed to be a bright teal but the woman who runs the studio mixed the batch up wrong so it's like. a really drab gray and not in a fun or intentional way. idk.
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some new bisque:
teacups came out! still mismatched but cute nonetheless! gonna do them in a sort of celadon-type color with white flowers to match the teapot that my SO has :)
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i don't feel like adding more photos for these lol they're very boring. the pot for my mom came out fine i think. gonna go in with normal white glaze over top to paint in some trees or other botanical designs. i sponged the underglaze on so hopefully the final result won't be streaky. sponged red on my seder plate to hopefully accomplish the same thing. mugs came through the bisque with no issues but i didn't do anything fun with underglaze on one of them so no new pics of that, but the other i did this tree thing again:
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i KNOW it'll be streaky as hell. i just know. so i'm considering how i want to do it. perhaps putting some slightly transparent green over the top of it all to meld it together? unsure.
some new stuff: made a citrus juicer, this was attempt number 2 and just barely got it to work, attempt 1 was a total disaster. also made another mug type object, hopefully it'll still be wet enough this weekend to slap a handle on.
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two mugs with red clay, i really loved the lascaux mugs that jessica bartram put up for sale last year but i didnt snag one in time so i was like. fuck it. i will make my own. gonna let them dry to leather hard before going in with black underglaze.
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i've been trying to draw again but. idk. i just feel very uninspired. i start drawing and it's like :| :| :|
eating: i was on my own food-wise for much of the last week because my roommate was babysitting for the rabbi, so i did not eat nearly as extravagantly as i normally do, LOL. i made a lo mein recipe that was kinda just a stir fry. this could have been my fault because i added a bunch of extra shit like bok choy and mushrooms. i also didn't use the correct type of noodle, and i didnt have oyster sauce so i used worcestershire, etc. many substitutions so it's probably not fair for me to say it was Just Fine. will have to try again at some later date actually following the recipe. herb and radish salad with feta and walnuts: delicious. 10/10. i tossed in some extra arugula and that was also good. and i made the tofu brussel sprouts tahini/hoisin sauce thing again because it's easy and tasty.
misc: visiting my grandma right now ...... entrenched in the ennui .............. spring break ........................
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k00299539 · 2 months
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Movement Project - Recap & Conclusion
Well, with the movement project now in rear-view, I guess it's as good a time as any to write a recap. As I've no doubt mentioned earlier, I spent the first couple of weeks of this semester aimless. It wasn't that I didn't want to work, in fact I actually did a lot of work, I was just struggling with the usual symptoms of PTSD and it was difficult to get up and be in on time. The more schooldays I missed the worse I felt, a downward spiral you could say.
Having spent the first workshop's allotted time just planning and prototyping animation in particular, I finally got my ass back in gear for the second two week block and chose to work on ceramics. In retrospect this may have been a miscalculation, as I ended up spending almost all my time finishing ceramic work at the cost of my other disciplines, mainly painting.
For the final two week block I ostensibly focused on animation but really due to completely mismanaging my time I was working on all three disciplines simultaneously. In spite of the chaos this was actually a lot of fun. The workshops I attended were phenomenal and I couldn't have fleshed out my ideas to the extent I did without the gracious help of all the tutors involved.
As far as my work this semester... I'm happy overall with what I accomplished. Just a bit disappointed in myself for not optimising my time, especially in regards to painting. I think my finished animation is my most representative piece as it pertains to the spiral theme for movement. I am essentially the little penguin trying to scale an insurmountable challenge only to spiral back down to square one. My ceramic work is more abstract, my attempt at representing the spiral theme through form and pattern, rather than narrative animation.
Painting is a bit trickier. My only actual painting work was test pieces and prototypes, nothing final and definitely nothing I'm proud of. That said I made a genuine effort to include painting in my animation and ceramic work. I focused my attention on good values and colour design when working on the background paintings for my animation, and incorporated painting through underglaze in my ceramic work.
More than anything this project was a learning experience, much like the last. And on that charge I feel able to rub shoulders with the best of them. If there was anything I did this semester it was learn. I learned from the workshops, I learned from my tutors and peers, and I learned from my own mistakes. I hope to be able to continue on with animation and put these hard-won lessons to good use.
Thanks for reading all this. :)
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k00299176 · 3 months
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Week 4: Movement Project
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Here is all the stuff I fired over the weekend, mostly what I made while mark making and experimenting with different materials and which forms I could give to the clay. I liked how it came out, it's really cool to see it - and be a bit less scared to break something.
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This is the backpack I made. I decided I wanted it to be a bit more colourful, so I underglazed it to have colours and then glazed it. I added purple, pink and green.
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k00294188 · 3 months
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𝗖𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗰𝘀 𝗪𝗲𝗲𝗸 𝗧𝘄𝗼
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Accompanied by my newfound knowledge on clay cylinders and a football boot I decided to incorporate more movement into my pieces.
I was inspired by the marks left on the mucky field in the aftermath of match. On a rainy day in winter, patches of the pitch would be torn up and scraped as the girls battled for the ball, slipping and sliding on the muck. I think these marks really incapsulated the dirt, determination and movement of a camogie match.
So I decided to experiment and recreate these marks on a fresh slab of clay, using my football boot. I added coarse slip to depict a raised mucky texture and added underglaze colours to represent the blurring colours of the jerseys. I am really happy with how it turned out and I think it contains varied textures, imprints and an overall sense of flow and fight.
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shleemies · 1 year
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Lately I've been going through a lot. I've been experiencing a lot of transphobia on top of my depression and PTSD. I've been struggling a lot with creativity and what art means to me, in addition to being in a ceramics class while my wrists are having a huge flare up making the wheel work I want to do near impossible. I see trans bodies celebrated in art and it means the world to me. I wonder why do I feel unable to do the same? Coming to terms with the fact that I still carry a lot of internal shame surrounding my body and my sexuality. This is not sexual artwork to me, more of a self portrait. More of a love letter to myself. I brought clay home to work with and kept scrapping everything I tried to make, until I sort of accidentally made a t dick. I thought about it, planned it in my head, and started it over with intention. It's been such a struggle to enjoy making art. And I enjoyed making this. Going over familiar curves, smoothing out the cracks and bending the clay in a way that felt so natural. I want to fire this piece and maybe even add underglazes to it, but I'm still so nervous because it's a classroom setting where multiple people will see it and handle it if I don't make time to load and unload it from the kiln myself, which I probably won't. But why should I feel ashamed? Cis women make art of their vaginas all the time. Breasts too. Someone a few weeks ago had a mug decorated with naked gay men they made in class. Trans bodies deserve the same respect and love as cis bodies. I love my body. I just want to show trans bodies are normal and nothing to be ashamed of. I don't have anywhere I share things like this, so it's going here. I may have a breakdown later and end up scrapping it, I might not. I love being trans and I love every trans body. Trans bodies are nothing to be ashamed of. What will I do with the finished piece? No idea. Where does one put a porcelain penis? Perhaps I could make it a wall piece. But despite what I may or may not do with this, it was really important for me to share this. I love my body. If I could only sculpt trans dick for the rest of my life I think I'd be happy. Something to do with trans existence being a constant experience in self creation. Every trans body is a work of art. I am endlessly creating myself and I think that beautiful.
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k00292355 · 5 months
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Disrupt 5/11: Continuation of the Skins, Surfaces and Glazing Workshop
I continued working in the clay studio, working off if the things covered in the workshop.
The latex I experimented with turned out alright, although my items did not have pronounced engravings, so I decided to stop working with latex.
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I did the glazing today. Before glazing my functional bell, I scratched the sound waves to make it more pronounced for when it is glazed.
The little saucer I did reminded me of a speaker, so I used an underglaze pencil to mark make on it.
I then put them in the kiln room to be fired in the kiln.
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sabrinazoarium · 1 year
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this was a fun glaze experiment! i was trying to get an iridescent sheen but none of the shop glazes really captured that. i went for a bone satin black to go over the black underglaze but in retrospect maybe a thinner layer of something lighter, maybe with blues/cobalt in it would have been nicer. carvings also didn’t really come through on the front.
the clear glaze over the face and parts of the wings was cool and i think the colors look good but i don’t like the sharp border between the two glazes. maybe clear over black or just a translucent blue over all the feathers would have been good. don’t know if there’s a way to make glazes run into each other more? you live and you learn!
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claypigeonpottery · 8 months
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If you don’t mind me asking, what tools do you use for your sgraffito work? Thanks!
sure! I’ve posted about my tools before so I’ll get a little more in-depth with my answer this time. also I’m not sponsored or anything, these are just what I’ve tried and my experiences with them
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this one’s my favourite, kemper’s wire stylus. it’s very fine and it draws the clay away from the surface of the piece like a ribbon tool (unlike a needle tool, which is very fine but kind of a pain to use just because it leaves behind crumbs and burs) the stylus is a little fragile compared to some tools, it’s a trade off for the fine lines, so you’ll have to replace it a couple times a year if you carve an insane amount of pottery like me lol. and you can’t use it on dry or hard clay, the wire will break. but they’re like $8 so, not hard to replace
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next are xiem’s ribbon tools. this set is super useful and offers some good variety in line thickness and such. and the coloured handles make it easy for me to find the one I want. I especially like the pink triangular one because I can use it for medium-fine lines as well as carving out large smooth sections with very few tool marks
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xiem’s other carving tools are alright too. definitely lower on my list of favourites though. I use the smaller ball-ended ones sometimes for lettering and other curved lines. some are of these will gouge a little too deep so take care if you’re trying them out
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diamondcore’s tools are very, very expensive, and I personally find them hard to control, both for detailed work and just depth-wise. I once carved completely through a plate with one which was a bummer lol. they are great for really deep texture though, like these coasters, if you’re careful not to go any deeper
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and a friend gave me some of these. they’re dental tools! (and I threw in a picture of a needle tool too) they’re super fine, but like a needle tool, you’ll need to sweep away a lot of crumbs. I’ve cut my fingers on these and do not use them regularly or store them with my other tools. be careful of the angle you hold these ones at. I find a 70-80 degree angle to the surface of the piece to draw with any kind of needle tool works best, so the tip won’t get caught or obscure your lines, but this is getting really technical lol. honestly needle tools are better for mishima than sgraffito imo
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here’s the mishima technique, since I don’t post it often. it’s a good way to get super fine linework, and is a great technique to combine with underglaze painting
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k00294033 · 2 months
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Movement
Ceramic workshop 26th of February 2024
On Thursday the glaze firing was done and we spent the afternoon collecting our pieces from the kiln room. I liked how my pieces came out, I probably would have given a few of my pieces one more layer of underglaze as I feel some of the glazed pieces were a little patchy in places. I feel the transparent glaze came out well on all my pieces.
Once I brought them back to the ceramics room I had to think about what way I could arrange the pieces that would give them the best sense of movement. I decided that I would bind all my abstract pieces together in a wheel shape. I used gold wire to tie them together and once they were tied I could stand the pieces up.
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This was my favorite piece I made in the duration of this project as I feel it encapsulates my movement theme of aerodynamics the best. The way the shapes fit together worked out better than I had initially planned.
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I then separated the piece again as I wanted to experiment with how the red and blue circle ceramic would interact and move in the other ceramic pieces.
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From the videos I took, you can see that there wasn't as much movement as I expected. the circle shifted slightly but ended up falling out both times, I didn't mind this took much as I was just sampling different ways to explore the movement.
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i--antimony · 17 days
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twoweeker tuesday: redux
im really making a trend of two-weekin these huh. gonna try to Not do that bc it makes me way less likely to actually do it lol. speed-posting this before bed (and before the melatonin kicks my ass, i'm trying to reset my sleep sched a bit)
listening: hozier unreal unearth. sammy rae & the friends. leaving this pretty sparse because i don't want to dig back through my history for the past two weeks and that's definitely the bulk of it. some notes from the Release Radar(tm) that i like: good luck, babe! - chappell roan bell - rob blivion waiting. - pater ...all (feat jake clemons, live) - grouplove i had not my hat - tom rosenthal april 8, 2024: the great north american eclipse - sleeping at last (!!!) too sweet - hozier flea - st vincent lil' freak - bbno$
reading: finished the main bit of scum villain! i'm reading the extras now. officially read all three mxtx books
watching: FINISHED SERIAL EXPERIMENTS LAIN. i have so many thoughts. i was in delta-orionis' dms about it a bit but my ass has so many Notes. many thoughts. gnosticism mostly but also the obvious tech-as-extension-of-self throughline. idk it was a very weird show and i definitely need to re-watch it to let it sink in a little more.
playing: no games but a lot of horn! i have an audition tomorrow for the fall's campus ensembles, i am...not super confident about it tbh, unsurprisingly i am not back to where i was pre-pandemic so my upper range and endurance is still really crunchy.
making: i keep forgetting to charge my phone before pottery so it keeps. dying. so i made quite a few new things the past few weeks but no photos of those - i did Crack the Code a bit, so now i can more reliably get things shaped in a conscious way. basically i was sitting too far forward so when i was pulling the walls up i was actually doing it at an angle, if i sit with my nose over the center of the pot it's all *chef kiss* beautiful. anyways here's a few glaze related pics. a lot of disappointment unfortunately.
1. my fucked up teacups. god im so mad about these. they were supposed to be a cool grey-green with a white flower, and matte. it is None Of These Things. idk will get redone. big mad.
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2. bowl and mug that both got bubbles because i misread the glaze labels - they're both mayco glazes that are optimized for cone 05, not cone 5, so the both the color is not as good as i thought and also the surface variation is. not great. the bowl is acceptable, it's mirror blue, it went through the kiln again and the bubbles evened out (pic is from before), and plus it's on the outside - i just put plain white on the inside - so it's fine. the mug is a little more problematic. it was green slip sgraffito with evergreen fir over top, and i really love the color effect, but there's some small bubbles along the rim...this glaze was marked as food safe in a way that the mirror blue is Not so i thought it would be fine but. well. i'm hoping nuking it in the kiln again will smooth those out.
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3. One Good Thing: trying a new glaze technique! someone in my studio does this gorgeous thing where she paints on flowers with underglaze, then covers them with liquid latex to paint on the background, and finally peels off the latex. it always comes out sooo nice, so when i ordered some more underglaze i went ahead and added liquid latex to cart too :3 this is just the flowers, i will be adding the background tomorrow!
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eating: uhhh good cauliflower vegetarian shawarma thing that i refused to make unless we added a can of chickpeas because where in the fuck is the protein. tonight was a miso-butter chicken with radishes that we added potatoes and onions to. both sheetpan recipes so im def a fan of those now.
misc: ouuuugh. augh. oughghghg. i need to be done with homework forever please god. i have like...7? 8? total hws left between my two classes. and then i am Done With Classes. mentally gearing up to do my preliminaries at the end of the summer. not to doxx myself but ouch. basketball yesterday. Pain. the eclipse yesterday WAS unreal. oh my god. i drove to [redacted] very small town about 40 minutes from me and it was perfect. so glad i avoided the Big City, although that's where my roommate and her mom went and apparently the traffic was fine, but i'm definitely glad to have been in a less crowded zone. i get it now. i want to take that feeling i had watching totality and eat it and keep it with me forever. i was with friends. the weather was perfect. it was beautiful.
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k00292709 · 3 months
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CERAMICS
This piece I’m not as sure about, it was supposed to be a representation of the fluctuations women experience throughout their cycle but I went with different colours for the underglaze, leaning more towards the theme of growth and fertility in this piece.
Second pic shows the second layer of glaze before firing in the kiln.
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k00298287a · 4 months
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After finishing the underglaze on my hand I now have time to go back to disrupt to reconstruct. I didn’t have a plan for what I was creating I was mainly focused on experimenting with the printer. I scanned some of my pieces that I thought would make a nice design. After scanning my clay hand I started in a more concrete direction using the hands as a border. I used the scans of my face for the middle. I used the same silhouette I have used throughout the project the and the border around it is the pattern from my hat.
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