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People drawing like, sexy gay fanart of the "original tf2 team" as shown in the catch-up comic is unfathomably funny to me. Guys you know that Abraham Lincoln is Pyro, right. You know that "1800s heavymedic" is American folk hero John Henry and real life wacko doctor man Sigmund Freud? If people get the joke and continue with it that's hilarious and also iconic but also idk it feels like sometimes people aren't aware of the Sigmund Freud yaoi they're putting out into the world
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gobbogoo · 8 months
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Everything We Know About Who Pyro Is/Was:
Obviously Pyro remains ​​⁠​⁠​⁠an enigma and I'm not going to pretend I have much in the way of definitive proof, however there ARE aspects of their background we can reasonably assume based on the skills and behaviours Pyro displays. First and foremost, we need to understand the extent of the disconnect between their consciousness and reality. Most folks understand it as mainly auditory and visual hallucination, however if you look at side-by-side moments in Meet The Pyro, you'll realize that there's a clear disconnect between Pyro's physical stance:
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What Pyro believes they are doing with their body and what their body is actually doing can be entirely disconnected. Furthermore, if you listen closely to Pyro's more comprehensible dialogue, you'll notice that what they say lines up more with what they're actually doing, and not what they THINK they're doing:
Put together, this implies Pyro possesses not just a disconnect from reality, but also a full-blown division of personality. There's Conscious Pyro, who is the bundle of joy frolicking through Pyroland, and then there's Unconscious Pyro, who is the maniacal murderer actively interacting with reality. Both of these personalities seem to play a factor in Pyro's behaviour. While Conscious Pyro clearly seems to possess a degree of control over how they act in Pyroland, the fact that all those actions also happen to be very effective methods of murder in the real world says that Unconscious Pyro is steering these decisions.
Now, these two are not ALWAYS so disconnected or extreme. When not actively burning things, Pyro's perceived reality seems to line up more closely with what's actually happening from a visual, auditory, and physical standpoint:
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Conscious Pyro's whimsy and Unconscious Pyro's murderousness both seem to drastically tone down in these circumstances, however both never fully go away. Pyro is ALWAYS capable of extreme violence/destruction:
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Speaking of extreme violence, Conscious Pyro DOES share Unconscious Pyro's capacity and willingness to cause harm. This implies that the difference between the personalities' behaviour is more-so the result of their perceived environments, not demeanour.
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To summarize, Pyro's disconnect from reality becomes more powerful when in the presence of fire/destruction, and this causes a divergence in Pyro's perceived and presented personalities. Moving on to in-game lore, it is stated that Pyro built/improvised the majority of their weapons (mainly out of stuff found in a garage.) This is immediately clear if you look at the individual components of their flamethrower:
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The primary exception to this is their shotgun, which is a standard weapon they nonetheless operate with a trained familiarity:
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Building a flamethrower is no easy feat. Besides being extremely complicated and dangerous, all information regarding flamethrower construction and schematics are strictly controlled by the U.S. government. Therefore I'd say it isn't much of a leap to suggest that Pyro's ability to construct and operate improvised military-grade incendiary weaponry must have been the result of formal training.
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This is further supported by the fact that their flame-retardant suit is not equipment provided by Mann Co, as they continue to wear it even after being fired. All this together implies that before becoming a mercenary, Pyro had a job that provided them with both the knowledge and tools of an incendiary specialist. This more-or-less confirms that Pyro was not ALWAYS so insane, as at some point they were considered stable enough to be trusted with such a dangerous job. Since Pyro seemingly hasn't taken the suit off since that job, it can be deduced that whatever triggered or inflicted the madness they now suffer from must have occurred during their service. It would also explain why all of Pyro's incendiary weapons are homemade while their suit is standard-issue. After being fired they obviously weren't allowed to keep any weaponry, meaning they had to construct their own.
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There are a lot of ways to interpret all of this, but my personal theory is that Pyro was at one point part of some Cold War experiment. One that sought to disconnect soldiers from the reality of their actions during combat, while ALSO allowing them to operate with brutal efficiency. Considering this was the era of the Vietnam War, a way to make soldiers not feel guilty or resentful while being ordered to commit atrocities would have been an invaluable tool for the USA's military. Pyro being a highly trained candidate for such an experiment is the only explanation I can think of for how they could be simultaneously highly trained in incendiary weaponry AND be too blatantly insane to ever justify such training. This would ALSO explain why Pyro is both so frighteningly dangerous and unstable, yet still somehow employable as a mercenary. While extreme, they remain capable of understanding and following instructions from superiors. Even if said instructions have to be delivered in a slightly different manner:
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tea-time-with-frogs · 5 months
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ok i don't know if people have talked about this before but i want to talk about this sooo bad: engineers knowledge about art
you know this scene from the loose canon comic?
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He recognizes the painting! And i know, it might just be popular i mean its tf2 picasso, people probably know about him BUT i think its interesting in this specific situation. He's here to meet his secret boss for the first time for a secret job, he doesn't know what its about. He would probably be busy focusing on all of that?? But he notices the painting!! And starts talking about it with the maid! I don't think someone who's not interested in art would do that??
So what if: engineer likes art. Its like a little side hobby. What if he actually knows a lot about art. What if he has a degree in art that he doesn't talk about because its not relevant to his job.
Like even in the practical problems bit!!! He says he doesn't solve problems like what is beauty and yeah that's not his job here but he just brings it up?? Like that's something he thinks about its just not related to his job.
Also imagine: spy wants to be a snob and starts talking about art to show off and engie just corrects him like its nothing and moves on
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superbubba4eva · 13 days
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An alternative scenario in the tf2 comics, where Scout knows Spy is his father
The scene where Sniper and Spy find Scout dying, and Scout actually knows that spy is his dad, but spy is unaware and still transforms into Tom Jones, leading to Scout saying that "he doesn't need to change" and that he wants his father to stay as he is now. As Scout dies in Spy's hands, Spy hugs Jeremy and says thank you.
And right after, Scout comes to life, and there's that awkward silence ok the end.
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I think at some point someone called Heavy 'Mishka' instead of 'Misha' by accident, and he had to explain how even though it IS a shortened version of his name only his mom was allowed to call him that (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠).
Mishka is a shortened version of Mikhail... but it means "Little Bear," so it's probably something he wouldn't let anyone outside of his family address him as.
MAYBE Medic get a pass tho...
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ionlypostmymeemocs · 6 months
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I gotta be honest...
My TF2 Medic Ocs lore is just as long and crazy like the FNAF lore...
Just saying!!!
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mutiniir · 9 months
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Tf2's universe is known for having some very ludicrous alternate hidtory. What's some examples of that for the Philippines (namely as it is relevant to Trapper?)?
this was difficult to think about 🤔 because the lore of the tf2 universe is so random and wacky.
how the hell did shakespeare invent rocket jumping before abraham lincoln invented the stairs?? what was amelia earhart doing with a hotdog costume and a large supply of honey??? WHY WAS NIKOLA TESLA AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN PARTICIPATING IN THE GRAVEL WARS AS MERCENARIES??
the alternate history in tf2 does not make any fucking sense and i love it
so here's my take on the tf2 filipino history:
- Jose Rizal actually was Jack the Ripper in this universe. Not willingly, he just had a Jekyll and Hyde situation going on. No one suspected him because he was widely known as a pacifist that pushed for anti-violence
- He got chased down by Sherlock Holmes for it. Kinda like Light and L from Death Note. This started the rumors that Sherlock was Jose Rizal's secret 10th lover because what straight man would be that obsessed with chasing after another man 🤨
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- Tinikling is a folk dance where two people tap and beat bamboo poles against each other while someone danced on it without getting their feet caught. One day, someone fumbled the dance and broke their ankle from getting their foot stuck in the bamboos. This is what lead to the invention of bear traps
- Filipinos are so competitive with singing that they would kill anyone who sang 'My Way' incorrectly or if they're off-key. They do not fuck around on karaoke nights !!!
- Speaking of competitive singing, you know how filipino karaoke machines can rate your singing on a scale of 1-100? the machines are programmed to rate anyone's singing by filipino standards. So if you're non filipino and you test your voice on the machine, chances are you won't even get a score past twenty.
- The guy who invented it was probably the one who started the 'My Way' purge cause the machine will automatically self destruct if you don't get a minimum score of 75 when you sing the song
- Trapper's grandpa died from the explosion when he scored a 73
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saturnsocoolioyep · 3 months
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Having been introduced to the tf2 lore in 2024 by my beloved partner who was into it when it was coming out, my conclusion so far is that tf2 is like if the looney tunes could fuck and kill people on screen
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jevilowo · 22 hours
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Tf2 Classless Update (2009) vs Tf2 Engineer Update (2010)
Gentlemanns, I believe I have uncovered what is either a PURPOSEFUL PIECE OF CENSORY LORE or a RETCON
(If you can't tell whats going on, in the first image the Quarterly Concern is credited to Zepheniah Mann, and in the second it is credited to him and Silas Mann. In addition, the second image has a section on "domestic occurance" which is replaced with an image of a zeppelin in the first image)
Edit: actually no on second glance the domestic occurance section has been moved further down. Its a section on "remarkable advertisements" that has been cut)
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moonisagremlin · 2 months
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okay, so i'm re-reading ALL of the TF2 comics for my little zine project, and i have discovered interesting things and silly things.
starting with the WAR! update comic:
-The Bitch connects her microphone to different speakers to talk to both RED and BLU team.
-Meet the Spy is canon in the comics.
-The Bitch can read people pretty well i guess.
-The BLU soldier and the RED demo are besties. They met at a projectile weapons expo. They knew eachother for six months before the WAR! comic.
-The Bitch doesn't have any friends (whomp whomp).
-The Bitch: "In my experience, Miss Pauling, nothing kills a friendship faster... than a healthy competition."
-Saxton Hale is... just. like. that.
-Wait, did the first design of Bidwell have a moustache?
-Saxton FUCKS. (With The Bitch. What the fuck.) ((he also tries flirting with Miss Pauling.))
-monke lore:
poopy joe was an american monkeynaut that sadly passed away in a tragic explosion that occurred moments later after the launch. mann.co was involved in this accident but they keep denying it for legal reasons (during the comic they're going to be under senate investigation soon, and it seems that they were in BIG TROUBLE, so Helen asking for weapons was actually a great way for them to dispose of those weapons involved in the accident).
-(RED) Demoman lives in a mansion in New Mexico with his mum.
-He only has one morning off a week.
-He has three jobs
-His mum is quite mad at him because his dad (rip) had 26 jobs (and somehow managed to be with his family)
-He makes 5 million dollars a year (with the current inflation that would be around- 48,980,957.43$ ????? WHAT??????)
-Demo is halfway to retirement, around his 30's
-He was raised in a home with a bad economic situation :c
-His dad killed the (obviously not real) Queen of England
-The mum misses demo's father :(
-The Eyelander is a haunted, pattern-welded damascus steel and harmonically balanced sword slowly-forged for generations in the bowels of captured english kings
-Not only did Miss Pauling gave him The Eyelander, also multiple cases with weapons that we see in-game (the scottish resistance, for example)
-Miss Pauling calls him Mister DeGroot, which is kinda weird considering they're coworkers and know eachother, but i guess that during this time they weren't really close because demo only knew her as "that wee lass that works with the angry lady who's always screamin' at us while we fight".
-BLU soldier lives in a really secured appartment with lots of locks in his door. He also has two little doors in which he can take his arms outside to necksnap people.
-He lives miserably. He doesn't let ANYONE enter his house. Only the tomato soup wholesaler or the delivery man from the rib place.
-He has BOXES filled with cans of food, so he's house really looks like a fucking bunker.
-They both fought the police together???? Friendship goals honestly.
-Neither Demo and Soldier wanted to fight eachother, they did it to defend themselves from the other one. Demo was made sure that Soldier betrayed him first, and Soldier was manipulated into believing that his best friend said he was a civilian thanks to a poorly-made robotic voice of Tavish. This all led to both of them fighting eachother for their own safety.
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Hidden "Soldier Needs a Home" story and illustrations from the Pyromania Update in 2012
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hyperfixatedonstuff · 10 months
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i love tf2 ocs bc they could literally have the craziest most complex nonsensical lore and it would still be more realistic than the actual tf2 lore
like my oc is a silly lawyer who accidentally became a vessel for an evil magical beast because Soldier fucked up Merasmus’ spell but that still makes more sense than Medic’s baboon baby
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TF2 PLAYABLE CAHARCTER LORE:
Okay, so just some context. Mann Co is a business organisation that runs most other companies in the world. Everything was shared equally between two brothers/heirs to the corporations power and money, apart from one thing in particular. A gravel pit.These two brothers, known as Redmond and Blutard Mann wanted to overachive and be better than one another, so decided to hire mercenaries to fight for this land. This original team, founded between 1800-1850's was comprised of Billy the Kid, Stonewall Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Alfred Nobel, John Henry, Nikola Tesla, Sigmund Freud, Davy Crockett, and Fu Manchu. They would take the roles of the mercinaries like so:
Scout: Billy the Kid (1859 - 1881)
Soldier: Stonewall Jackson (1824 - 1863)
Pyro: Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Demoman: Alfred Nobel (1833 - 1896)
Heavy: John Henry (Folk Hero)
Engineer: Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943)
Medic: Sigmund Freud (1856 - 1939)
Sniper: Davy Crockett (1786 - 1836)
Spy: Fu Manchu (Fictional Villain)
These people would battle with others with similar weapons, stature, and power until they would eventually get too old to fight.After this, the two brothers soon realised that they may die prematurely before the battle could end, so asked for personal commissioned machinery designed to keep them alive for longer. [[This will be elaborated in the plot later, this stuff is kinda important.]]Okay, now the old team is dead. Time for the new ones. 1930's mercs were probably the most advanced out of all of the mercs, with the 1850 mercenaries looking like they've been pulled off the streets to fight, and the 1970 mercs looking like a mix of the two old teams designs. Everyone has some sort of camo on them apart from their engineer, who possibly be Fred Conagher, the father of the Engineer we know and love. Fred Conhager, in particular, may be the same man who created the machines keeping the Mann brothers alive, but we are currently unsure. The next generation, and the one we know today is the 1970's team. This consists of:
Scout- Jeremy
Soldier- Jane Doe
Pyro- Unknown
Demoman- Tavish Finnegan DeGroot
Heavy- Mikhail
Engineer- Dell Conagher
Medic- Mr. Ludwig
Sniper- Mick Mundy (Adoptive name)
Spy- Unknown
Along side them is Ms.Pauling and The Administrator. I'll list out characters as shown, one by one.
**SCOUT**
Full name is unknown, so we'll stick to Jeremy. He was born and raised in Boston, Massachusetts, USA. He is the youngest of eight children, and so constantly looks for attention. Can't read, but can run extremely fast. Seems that a specific brand of fizzy drink, known as Atomic Bonk can make him much faster. Dies in the comics and goes to heaven, whete he is told he was God's gift to all women, and was sent back to earth to 'get laid' [[This is the comics words, not mine]]
Has a tattoo of tom jones with the words 'S€X BOM' on it [Told you he couldn't read] and is canonically Spy's son. Has a crush on Ms. Pauling.
**SOLDIER**
His name may not even be Jane Doe. Because those are USA and UK placeholder names for unidentifiable corpses. [[Jane Doe as a woman]] Is a God-fearing patriotic Midwest American. Despite his role in the team, he has not once been in a war situation. He just got to the frontlines in WW2 and started blowing up Germans. He has lead poisoning, although we're not sure if that's why he's like this, he is extremely aggressive and has a special move called 'rocket jumping' where he can fire a rocket at his feet, shooting him into the air. It doesn't hurt him however, because he doesn't think it will [[So stupid he bends nature's laws at will??!?!?]] He was also roommates with a wisard called Merasmus. Merasmus kicked him out, and tom jones became his new roommate.
Soldier kills tom jones. For no reason. Soldier is also in love with Heavy's sister, Zhanna.
**PYRO**
Whoo boy, this is a confusing one. We do not know Pyro's gender, where they're from, or even if they are a person. We do know that many characters refer to Pyro as he/him, but Soldier does have a suspicion that they might be a woman. He may be schizophrenic, or it could be their optical mask, but he sees the battle as a fluffy arena filled with unicorns and lollipops. However, they do have the capacity to be very much enraged, and cut off Soldier's hand once when in a car with Demoman and Ms. Pauling.
**DEMOMAN**
Drunk. Born in Ullapool, Scottland. His parents were Tilly DeGroot and her husband who we don't know , whom both are blind. Demoman was put up for adoption by them after being bad at blowing things up. He would eventually find a book called 'The Bomonicon' [[I hope i wrote that right]] with a mischievous spirit inside. Once he had opened the book, the spirit inside made it's way to his eye, haunting his eyesocket, and making him lose said eye. He then blows up his adoptive parents while trying to hunt for the loch ness monster, then gets taken back by his original parents. His mother keeps asking him to get a job, even though he makes 3 million+ a year. Loves alcohol. Like, really loves alcohol, so much so, that when he eats normal food, his body thinks it's been poisoned. After an extensive time away from alcohol, his body turns his stomach into a makeshift distillery, fermenting bone marrow into alcohol. This alcohol in particular is so strong, it gives blood-sucking robots [[Don't ask]] alcohol poisoning. Can also do something similar to Soldier by 'Stickybomb jumping' that also takes no damage, due to him being too drunk.
**HEAVY**
Heavy was born in Russia sometime around WW1. His father was an anti-revolutionary who opposed the Communist uprising, so he was executed and Heavy's family put in the gulag for three months before it was burnt down in 1941 and all the guards tortured to death. Yeah, you heard me right, the gulag. He has three sisters called Zhanna, Yana and Bronislava. His mothers name is currently unknown to us. His weight is the same as his HP: 300. He is quite a nice guy when it comes to his teammates and gives even more affection to his guns, who of one he has a case at the end of his bed for. This gun in particular is named Sasha, of which he is very possessive and which weighs 150 kilograms and fires $200 custom-tooled cartridges at 10,000 rounds per minute. He also reveals that it costs $400,000 to fire his weapon for 12 seconds. Heavy has named all of his primary weapons, basic Minigun being Sasha, Tomislav being Svetlana, Brass Beast being Oksana and Huo Long Heater being Sheila. He was also the first in the team to have the experimental ubercharge operation and survive, making him bulletproof. Also sandvich.
**ENGINEER**
Known as Dell Conagher, this man has eleven PhD's. Yes, you read that right. ELEVEN. He was born in Bee Cave, Texas, USA, and may or may not be related to one of the previous mercinaries in the classic team. Apart from this, he has created machines like teleporters [[Don't put bread in them]], sentries, and dispensers that he can place around the battlefield to help his team. He is friends with Pyro, and seems to understand them, despite their speech being muffled. One of the only few to help The Administrator with her Australium-Age related problem, and answered the phone for her when she died once.
**MEDIC**
Okay, this will be too long if I go into detail. This is quickfire. Mr. Ludwig was born in Stuttgart, Germany and has little regard for the Hippocratic Oath. He is insane. He loves doves, especially his most beloved one, Archimedes. Managed to get into contact with the devil and made a deal that would cost his soul. We do not know what he had sold his soul for, but the chances it was for his medical 'discoveries' is quite high. Managed to steal an entire skeleton and got away. Lost his medical licence soon after this. While giving his teammates surgeries, stole all of their souls and surgically added them to his own soul. During a Halloween party, he was caught off gaurd by a mugger. After knocking him out, he then put the muggers brain in a pumpkin.This would later help him out. Re-hired to aid the 1930 Classic team for a new leader, *Grey Mann*. When sniper was shot down by the classic's heavy, he brought him back to life an hour later with the help of a blue whale's pineal gland directly into his brain stem. The entire surgery cost about 1.3 billion dollars. Classic heavy, after seeing this, crushes his favourite dove, Archimedes. He also brings his bird back to life. After this, classic heavy and Medic get into a fight. Heavy shows up, only for classic heavy to shoot Ludwig twice in the chest. After quickly swindling the devil by giving him another soul for a pen, he comes back to life, and then pretends it is an inducer that would make classic heavy give birth to three healthy baby baboons, due to the three baboon uterus's he had placed inside him during a surgery [[I'm confused too, don't worry]] Classic heavy belives the bluff, giving Heavy enough time to take him down. after that, he takes out the real inducer and claims that the human body could only generate two at the most.
**SNIPER**
He is Australian.
Except, he isn't. He's a New Zealander.
New Zealand is Atlantis btw.
His adoptive name is Mick Mundy, although his real first name is Mun-dee, like his real mother and father, Bil-Bel and Lar-nah, making his real name Mun-dee Mundy. New Zealand is underwater due to the fact that the geniuses wanted to isolate themselves from the rest of the world. After being shot out of the country in a Krypton-Superman-Spacepod style fashion, he is adopted by Jonathan Mundy and his wife Mrs. Mundy in Australia. He then becomes skilled in shooting from afar. In the most previous comic, he dies. Medic brings him back to life, and he immediately attacks him, asking why he was the last person he saw before bleeding out. Yeah, he also pees in a jar and throws it at people as a weapon, so... yeah. Also, golf trophy.
**SPY**
Not much is really known about his past but all that is known is that he was born in France in an unknown region. It's a mystery on how he became a master spy and a master of disguise as no one knows if someone trained him or he rather he trained himself. We do know however, that he is Scout's father. He seems to hate everyone and everything, and may or may not have lung cancer due to how many cigarettes he smokes. He is snarky, witty, and cocky, some of these traits are shared with Scout also. He got shot in the kneecaps when a plan in the latest comic, and Sniper saved him by shooting the guy who did it. He also disguised as Tom Jones when Scout was dying, and for the first time, directly called him son. He wears a custom tailored Louis Crabbermaché suit, is valued at $10,000, and has his own smoking room within the base.
I made this all in the Undertale server. Don't ask.
This took me three days to do.
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artikeln2 · 1 year
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If you really think about it, Scout is Gods gift to the world and Medic is Satans gift to the world. This is why Scout counters Medic and also that rivalry of Scout stealing Medics health packs and Medic not healing Scout.
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dopscratch · 9 months
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spontaneous lore i thought up for meet the medic:
blutarch got a hold of the respawn technology first, his merc team composed of soldier, spy (who was currently dead at the time because spy head in fridge), engie, and pyro. realizing they were going to be sorely outmatched with undying enemies, the red team (demo, scout, sniper, medic, heavy- pretending engie wasnt there to align with the loose canon comic) had to change some things fast.
red medic started developing the medigun and uber implants. meanwhile, the new respawn tech didnt come without some hiccups. blu soldier screwed something up and the respawn machine started spewing out endless duplicate soldiers. blu team, not wanting to deal with more than one soldier (the idiot-) at a time, sent all of the duplicates out to kill the red team. thus begins our tale with medic giving heavy the uber heart and killing all the soldiers. blu team fixes the respawn.
afterwards, in a ctf match, red gets blu's intelligence, the respawn tech along with the blu team dna to clone them, and now they have all 9. then blu team later gets red's intellegence and red team dna so they also get all 9 mercs. the respawn tech can still create duplicate mercs but it takes a lot of energy and has the chance to blow out the machine if the used for too long. the machines are put into low power mode when not in battle so only 1 of each merc can be sustained outside of fights.
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tea-time-with-frogs · 1 month
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Wait am i the only person who didn't know about this bit from two cities update?? Medic lore?? Medic lore??
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"resident lineage of mad doctors" implies it's a family thing. I assumed the thing about medics parents also being doctors was just headcanon but it seems from this that it's true! a whole family of little freaks!! i'm picturing them as an addams style family but with german surgeons
another thing is: what happened to his parents? the mercs families are shown pretty often in official material and here we get medics hometown as a setting, yet theres no mention of his parents. I don't think medic would be on bad terms with them, i mean of all people they should be the ones to understand his passion as fellow mad doctors right? So they were either forced to move or theyre dead- i'd assume for a while now as medic never mentions them and he doesn't really strike me as a secretive person- he's very happy to tell stories about his medical licence right? i guess it goes back to "what was medic doing during the war" but it would have to be just speculating and i don't feel like doing that
bonus unrelated bit from the wiki
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i hope i will have this as a section title on my wikipedia page some day
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