#umineko ep2

[dumbass-deru]

CW : top surgery scars, blood

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Shkanon doodles.....

And a gruesome corpse.

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(Which is also a small redraw of one screencap from the anime)

#i can't bring myself to call them Yasu #Yasu's gender unknown #transmasc Kanon hc #Kanon kinnie right here #Umineko #Umineko no naku koro ni #umineko when they cry #when they cry #wtc #umineko spoiler #umineko ep2 #redraw #doodle #doodling deru #sayo yasuda #shannon umineko #kanon umineko #ushiromiya jessica

[yeahivegotanaccount]

#i only finished ep2 so please precede with spoiler warning when discussing battler's top 10 funniest moments #umineko no naku koro ni #umineko when they cry #dumayu #вышедшее из под моего пера

[trans-lunarinjection]

completely enraptured by this backstage photo from ep2's stage play. umineko but if the ushiromiyas got a little silly with it.

#umineko #i still need to watch ep2 #if anyone has it please tell me

[disquiet-doll]

no way

#umineko liveblog #UmiLB Ep2

[anawkwardlady]

#ep2 portrait is funny bc the usual one just look like an eerie ancient painting but that one is just Kinzo putting his waifu on the wall #umineko #umineko posting #umineko no naku koro ni #beatrice the golden witch #nana is posting

[onewholivesinloops]

not to sound like an elitist but it's really crazy to me that people ever got mad at ryukishi for not explicitly spelling out the solution in the sound novels when the love duel in ep6 is him shoving it down the reader's throat in the least subtle way possible. zepar and furfur make shannon and kanon walk 19 steps away from each other before they give the signal to start the duel bc it's the number that's been the most important since the beginning of the story and they straight up say it's the age of the true territory lord of the gameboard (and just the previous ep was centered around the mystery of the baby from 19 years ago that natsuhi pushed off a cliff and it was heavily implied that shannon is connected to them) and the rest of the duel is also beating the reader over the head with shkanontrice with all of the talk about how it takes two to create a universe and furniture having 'incomplete souls' that make them count as less than a person, making the duel necessary bc only one pair of lovers can succeed bc of this, and the outcome is literally the losers, who are kanon and chick beatrice, merging with shannon to revive beatrice

#it's insane to me that theories like rosatrice were ever taken seriously #but it's really funny bc it's massive copium #people saying shkanon wasn't planned also reads as a bad cope #especially when ep1 has plenty of hints and ep2 is all about them #and ep3 has the linked closed rooms that can only be solved with shkanon #i will also not take you seriously if you bitch about how 'pretentious' ikuko/featherine is in this ep #yeah it's not subtle and it's obviously ryukishi self-inserting to say these things but he's earned it all things considered #and he was going through hard times being harassed by readers while grieving his best friend at the time #umineko #gamo.txt

[individuating]

umineko project / witch hunt / steam release translations of the red text at the end of episode 4

#umineko spoilers #umineko #to me this is proof of confession of the golden witch’s existence validated by the vn itself. at some point sayo put her feelings to paper. #though having ikuko happen to find the bottle is. lazy. to me. as a non i=s believer #anyways about the text itself…probably the most obvious difference between the translations is number 3 #if only you had never come back vs. if you don’t come back is a pretty big change… what i’d give to know japanese </3 #my best guess is that it could be taken either way since parts of the text are cut off at the borders? otherwise why wld there be this gap. #.me #topic: sayo #also ppl confused at number 5 (sayo very clearly Loves) refer back to the angry rant beatrice did at shannon in ep2 about how love = lust #like i swear any time ur lost abt something relating to sayo u can just say ‘it’s about sex’ and you would be right in some measure

[starswallowingsea]

woah....

#shay speaks #enstars #ensemble stars #umineko #umineko no naku koro ni #<- why not tag both games #anyway shout out to rae birthday-of-music for editing this and giving me permission to post this #the amount of times this fucker says checkmate. you could do this edit with like a solid 25% of the game #anyway. im fr caught up to where i was in ep2 so we continue reading

[kassandra-the-witch]

Some would argue that a good piece of literature has to put its thesis statement in its opening. While I would disagree with such structural determinism, let me zero in on these first lines of conversation in Umineko Ep2 because, and bear with me here please, I think there is something interesting going on here on two distinct levels.

All content notes for Umineko apply to the following short analysis.

In these six lines, the player-reader is confronted with an almost superficially idyllic scene of a couple going to an aquarium. Sayo, in almost child-like wonder, is amazed by the sharks. George comments that he would eat them if he could. Sayo voices sympathy for the sharks and remarks that this was a very Japanese sentiment for George to express. George counters that members of specific other national identity groups would likely do the same. Sayo does not know how to react to that.

This is not the first time a member of the Ushiromiya family has reacted to a large and fascinating set of animals with the suggestion to consume them. In Ep1, when the visitors first arrive on the island, people remark on the absence of the seagulls. Battler jokes to Maria that Jessica might have grilled and eaten them. While I interpret that moment in Ep1 to moreso demonstrate one of Battler’s useless and strange attempts at making a joke while employing misogyny and fatphobia, there is something else going on. The usage of animals and animal products is a complex subject that requires a broader awareness of material conditions, modes of production, and the ordering of relationships between nature and humanity and I do not wish to suggest to say the important point of these moments is the suggestion to eat an animal. Rather, it is the rather totalizing gaze that designates everything, in this case living creatures, as something yet-to-be-consumed that sticks out to me. I have spoken in length about the Ushiromiya relationship to the ecology in underchapter 2.3 of my essay on Ep1. Here, I see a repetition of what happened between Maria and the singular wilting rose – the ability to empathize with other living beings around oneself is attributed to childishness, whereas the consumptive perspective is elevated as normalized and sensible. This ordering of the relationship between nature and humanity is then attributed to not only one specific national identity, but also attributed to the United States and Italy. Japan, the United States, and Italy have all been – and continue to be – imperialist actors. As I suggest in underchapter 2.4 of my essay on Ep1, it is the historical situation of convergence between US imperialism, Japanese fascism, and European fascism(s), that gave Kinzo the ability to resurrect the Ushiromiya family as significant profiteers of imperialism and fascism. Furthermore, the entirety of underchapter 3 my essay on Ep1 explores another Italian connection, this time intertextually, in the form of the (anti-)Dantian references and Beatrices of Ep1. As innocent as this exchange is, it is still mired and enwebbed by the violence that is the Ushiromiya family. I am still of the firm conviction that there is an unadressed and undeniably coercive element to George’s relationship with Sayo given that his grandfather forced Sayo into servitude as a literal child without support network. Dating the much younger disenfranchised woman who your grandfather de-facto materially controls and has emotionally abused for most of her life is not the beautiful romance you think it is, George. Disregarding this interpersonal relationship, the consumptive urge of the Ushiromiya family is once again taking the centre stage. Given how the cycle of violence this family operates on, I would not be surprised about this topos of consumption repeating at several points. And, in the same vein and given the gore and grotesque so central to Umineko, I would not in the slightest bit be surprised to see either symbolic or actual cannibalism at some point of the story. To quote what @siphonophorus once said about the Ushiromiyas: “theyre an ouroboros”.

The second level of reading this initial exchange is metatextual. From my short adventure into Ep2 before I wrote my essay on Ep1, I know that this day at the aquarium is an isolated and idealized event, an unlikely scenario in the course the Ushiromiya family takes. The player-reader observing Sayo and George in their mundane couple interactions takes a similar relationship to them as they do towards the sharks. In other words, the sharks are in an isolated, idealized environment meant to demonstrate some typical, mundane shark activities. Outside of this isolated, idealized environment, in their natural habitat, those sharks, like most species, would be subjected to the systemic collapse caused by the colonial-capitalist world system. Outside of this superficially cute date visiting the aquarium, in their more common home of the mansion of Rokkenjima, George and Sayo would be subject to the corroding social forces of the colonial-capitalist world system that props up the Ushiromiya family. Is me writing this analysis not like tapping against the glass and wondering if they will react? (This is a metaphor. Please do not tap against the glasses of actual aquariums.) Interpreting this relationship between play-reader and characters in that way also brings up one of my questions from my essay on Ep1; namely, how I am supposed to read the witches. Perhaps I am not supposed to read the witches in the first place. Perhaps the witches read me. When Bernkastel turns her gaze towards the player-reader in the second-order frame narrative of Ep1, a.k.a. the witches’ tea party, she establishes knowledge of the player-reader, furthermore designating them as merely a figure in her game. This inversion of the fourth (glass) wall, is this her tapping against the glass of the aquarium that the player-reader inhabits? Are the witches looking at the player-readers with the same consumptive yearning that underlies George’s remarks in these opening lines? Is there an order of being observed ongoing that goes from fish to George to the player-reader to the witches? Is me reacting to the story also just a story to Beato? Is the goal of Umineko then to break free from being read by the witches? But is that even possible?[1] Just some thoughts I have here before going into Ep2 proper. I am looking forward to it. I have been told Battler dies many deaths in this Episode and I hate that man.

[1] Of course, and I stress this here because such metatextual games toying with elements of unreality can wreak havoc on people that have a difficult connection to reality, the witches are not real in the actual real world. But I could easily imagine that Umineko as a text might try to frame the player-reader in a certain way, to implicate them in the actions of the story, to create a fictional suppersession and reordering of the reader-character relationship inherent to most stories.

#kassandra plays umineko #kassandra plays umineko ep2 for the first time #not really because I read the opening paragraphs at least before returning to my essay but alas this is the tag for running commentary #umineko #umineko spoilers

[jichanxo]

call to a witch song

#beatrice umineko #beatrice the golden witch #shannon umineko #umineko #umineko no naku koro ni #when they cry #wtc #jichanmakes #cw blood #cw death #the way they have so much potential. so interesting #it could be yuri it could just be intense girl envy+admiration it could be both #the evolution of their relationship is just soooooo #hopeless maid and the powerful witch -> the strong maid self assured in her love vs the witch who screams that love isn't real #the way shannon goes from deference and awe to legitimately standing up and fighting as a Whole Person #this is mostly about ep2 #not to go too hard into spoilers in front of my dear unspoiled oomf but #obviously i was also thinking of THOSE spoilers as well #because that's what made me more fond of their interactions #and ofc when you know it's impossible to not be thinking about that reading at the same time #anyway. get out of here george and kanon let the girls talk

[neomedievalist]

what about human pet GIRL #feminism

#data #umineko #sorry. i just finished ep2 and i just . the. the

[leefi]

Do you think you'll watch the stage play version of umineko? I recently watched the first episode with my sister and its a real visual treat. Only episode 1 and 2 are out and episode 3 is currently in development

these stage plays?

yeah probably eventually

#she’s so happy 😙🫶 #ask #umineko ep2 spoilers #to answer your question seriously I’ve only heard good things!! but also umineko is a behemoth on its own #so I might feel 'done' with it by the time I’m done with the VN. and in that case I’ll watch the stageplays much much later. ygwim #nsft #could be a fun watch party to do eventually

[dead-dove-moment]

HOW DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS

EPISODE 1! THEY HAVEN'T EVEN MET BEATO YET!

#spoilers #umineko spoilers #pochapal watch #I am losing my marbles at what Ep2 is gonna be like at this rate #deadass pochapal is the apparently the impossible person Ano Hito was hoping would read the bottle fragments #and thereby reach her heart with zero extra info somehow #witch ascension any% speedrun #what the fuck is happening

[batbeato]

How rich do you think the Ushiromiya Family is (at least, as a front)? From what I can tell by the power of the internet, one of the wealthiest men to exist in the 1980's (to '87) was Yoshiaki Tsutsumi with a net worth around $20 billion.

Considering Kinzo was renowned for both wealth and business acumen, it could be somewhere around there - not including the ten tons of gold, since that's a mere rumor for the public. I think at some point Eva mentioned several ten billion yen (so 20 billion or upwards) in assets, even if said money wasn't actually liquidized and just on hand to draw out of a bank (a.k.a Krauss probably hadn't gotten the chance to spend it all away yet). Not sure exactly how that converts to dollars, but Kinzo would be at the very least a millionaire?

I read somewhere that he made a lot of his money via investments in post-war industry and ferrying supplies to...someone(pretty sure it was the US, since Japan was still under occupation?) in preparation for the Korean War.

On wikipedia, this time period (1940's to the early 1990's when Japan's economic bubble popped) is known as the Japanese economic miracle. Wikipedia isn't the best source to look at, but it's a start on researching it and pondering the growth of Kinzo's wealth.

Likewise, how wealthy do you think the branches of the family (Eva, Rudolf, and Rosa) are, even in the face of their financial struggles?

Since, I don't think we ever get numbers on the money Rudolf needs for the lawsuit, or the amount Rosa needs to pay the loan and possible interest - I'm not sure about the other aspects of her business, since she did have the money to have vacations with various boyfriends, so it may have been doing well? Just not well enought to handle the loan?

And Eva + Hideyoshi really only need to worry about buying stocks back, not their finances. Similarly to Krauss and the embezzlement of Kinzo's money but not all the assets, they don't have the liquid cash / assets on hand to pay off the various issues they're dealing with.

Hm... To be honest, I've just never really thought about it much. Trying to fathom the level of wealth they have is tough. I feel like Kinzo's kids come off as millionaires, where they're very wealthy but not about to commission private jets for what would be 3 hour drives - that sort of super excessive expenditure you get when you're so wealthy money no longer has meaning. They're wealthy, but not so much that they can do whatever they want (as evidenced by all of them Needing Money Right Now).

Rosa in particular feels like someone who... doesn't have that much money on hand. Her business also isn't doing that well. She does spend a lot on Maria sometimes, and also spends for her getaways with boyfriends, but she's in debt. Also, she... doesn't hire someone to just, look after Maria? It could be a pride or secrecy thing more than a financial thing, though... But considering that Jessica probably had private tutoring, George had tons of tutoring and special programs, and Ange is also mentioned to be in cram school (she knows division. she is SIX.) and Maria seems to have none of that... It could reflect on Rosa trying to raise Maria as a "normal child" with less of the pressures that her siblings put on their children, but could, again, be financial hardship preventing her from doing that.

I guess when you add a bunch of millionaires together, plus the incredible amount of money and assets that Kinzo has put together over the years, you end up with billions. At the very least, post-1986 Eva comes off like a billionaire, especially with how she recklessly does the same stuff Kinzo did to put together vast amounts of money and wastes it on pretty much whatever she thinks will make her feel better (it's mentioned that she got into sketchy new religions/cults/whatever). I wouldn't know nearly enough about the Japanese economy to be able to put together any sort of ballpark estimate, though.

#umineko #umineko no naku koro ni #umineko spoilers #i tag that a lot but #a lot of even mundane details can count as spoilers #the fact that rosa is dating people and leaving maria home alone is a spoiler #it doesn't get revealed until the end of ep2 in implication and then explicitly in ep4 #and eva surviving post 1986 is an ep3 end spoiler too

[disquiet-doll]

beatrice moe fang appreciation post

look at it NOW!!!

#umineko liveblog #UmiLB Ep2

[anawkwardlady]

Killing your family.

Killing your family (Mini skirt edition).

#umineko #nana is posting #umineko posting #ep1 vs ep2...